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Offline Chris Bristow

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #176 on: October 14, 2018, 02:19:09 AM »
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Paul, your photo does seem to match the Altgens line of sight and so we should be able to tell which lane markers you are pointing to for the limo and Chaney's positions. Doesn't Altgens line of sight show Chaney's lane marker to be the one behind the limo marker when you plot it on a map from Altgens LOS? In fact Altgens photo does not show the Thornton sign so the lane marker next to the limo marker is not even visible in the picture.  It has to be the one behind it.
By the way the plat map puts the limo lane marker in the correct position but the West map does not. The limo marker was offset from it partner and started about 6 further down Elm.


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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #177 on: October 14, 2018, 03:18:52 AM »
Yes the West map has some errors proven by overhead photos from the time. Not all of the maps are wrong so one has to be. West is the inconsistent one but a quick search of 'overhead delay plaza' will give some images taken weeks after. So yes the map is wrong.
How do you trust counting lines you can barley see and why do you trust that over the overhead LOS. We can see 4 of 5 on the right but the left side is a guess. Don't guess just look at the line of sight. If you disagree with the LOS the try to do your own. But you will not be able to figure a line of sight that puts the partner for number 5(Limo front wheel) in the frame. Also the fact that the Thornton sign is not in the frame means that lane marker CANNOT be. That is literal proof that your Chaney marker is the 4th set.
 But that alone does not prove Robin's point. Chaney could still be closer to the camera along that line of sight. He could be just beyond/behind the lane marker or on the camera side.

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #178 on: October 14, 2018, 03:44:39 AM »
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Offline Robin Unger

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #179 on: October 14, 2018, 04:02:31 AM »
Nice GIF John, looks good.  :)
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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #180 on: October 14, 2018, 02:39:54 PM »
This is a good one Paul..... Do you understand my point?



Which frame of the Zfilm  is supposed to correspond with Altgens #6?



Using this plat and the altgens photo it can be determined where Altgens was standing when he snapped the picture. And it's also very obvious that DPD officer Chaney was on his motorcycle beside the Lincoln with an alarmed look on his face as he looks at President Kennedy.

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Offline Robin Unger

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #181 on: October 14, 2018, 04:30:50 PM »
Find the yellow curb stip in Zapruder and you will see Altgens standing just to the right of it.

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #182 on: October 14, 2018, 04:39:24 PM »

    Strange how Nobody wants to attribute an iota of a "perspective" issue to even a single frame of the Z Film. Then again, no it isn't.

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #183 on: October 14, 2018, 05:20:46 PM »
Find the yellow curb stip in Zapruder and you will see Altgens standing just to the right of it.

It seems that you've forgotten that I do NOT rely on the Z film for anything!....   I believe it's a fake and therefore it can't be used to prove ANYTHING!

THe photo that you posted yesterday seems to have disappeared....I'm referring to the photo that was taken a day or two after the murder.....which shows the freshly painted yellow curb.....
« Last Edit: October 14, 2018, 05:24:57 PM by Walt Cakebread »