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Offline Chris Bristow

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #150 on: October 12, 2018, 08:40:30 PM »
Paul, when determining a line of sight you take objects that line up vertically in the foreground and background and plot them from overhead. From overhead it does matter what height anything is. It also does not matter how long the bike is. you only use a single point like Chaney's helmet and whatever single point is directly above his helmet in the background. If you want to find the location of the headlight you don't need the length of the bike, you just do a line of sight for the headlight itself.

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #151 on: October 12, 2018, 09:06:53 PM »
Paul.....You can see solid stationary objects in the Altgens photo that also appear on the plat.   The concrete pylon. the street light and the TSBD are objects that were / are ANCHORED to a known location.    It's a POC to see that the west corner of the concrete pylon aligns with the center of the third window from the SE corner, of the TSBD ....  That's just like aiming a rifle Paul...... Rear sight with front sight .....   You can draw a line from the center of that third floor window through the west corner of the pylon and on to the triple underpass .    (Elsie Dorman was behind the third window on the fourth floor and her name is written on the plat)    Since the hood ornament of the movable object ( the Lincoln) falls on that line you can locate that car on the plat and you can locate Altgens  by drawing a line from the east side of the fourth window through the street light and on to the triple underpass.....The point that those two lines meet is the spot where Altgens was standing when he snapped the photo.
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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #152 on: October 12, 2018, 09:21:45 PM »
     The motorcycle headlight says it all. Move Officer Chaney backward and his headlight is obstructed by the JFK Limo. Well, unless you also move Chaney to the extreme North.  This is where that Altgens Photo has placed those die hards that refuse to admit they got it Wrong for decade after decade. When do we get to the point where they claim Chaney hit something in the road and bounced his motorcycle cycle 1 foot straight up? Ridiculous in the face of the Altgens Photo.   
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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
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« Reply #153 on: October 12, 2018, 09:39:24 PM »
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Paul, when determining a line of sight you take objects that line up vertically in the foreground and background and plot them from overhead. From overhead it does matter what height anything is. It also does not matter how long the bike is. you only use a single point like Chaney's helmet and whatever single point is directly above his helmet in the background. If you want to find the location of the headlight you don't need the length of the bike, you just do a line of sight for the headlight itself.

when determining a line of sight you take objects that line up vertically in the foreground and background and plot them from overhead. From overhead it does matter what height anything is.

when determining a line of sight you take objects that line up vertically in the foreground and background ( just like aiming a rifle) and plot them from overhead. From overhead it does (not) matter what height of anything is.

In the case of the Altgens photo it's obvious that the west corner of the concrete pylon  aligns with the center of the third window (from the SE corner of the TSBD )  Thus you can use the center of the third window as the anchor point for a line that runs through the corner of the pylon and on to the triple underpass. Since the hood ornament of the Lincoln falls on that line it's possible to locate the Lincoln on Elm street at the time the photo was snapped.

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #154 on: October 12, 2018, 09:43:29 PM »
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In Altgen 6 the Zoom lens makes it appear as though the TSBD doorway was right next to the white concrete column.
In reality the doorway is some distance away from the white column.



No the TSBD entrance does not appear to be beside the pylon....It appears to be in the background .....


 

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
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« Reply #155 on: October 12, 2018, 09:53:07 PM »
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In Altgens 6 the Zoom lens males it appear as though the man in the suit was standing next to the woman and child, and that they were standing just behind the white column.

They were NOT standing together, and were not just standing behind the white column.



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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #156 on: October 12, 2018, 09:54:48 PM »
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No the TSBD entrance does not appear to be beside the pylon....It appears to be in the background .....



    Anyone that looks at that photo and believes they are seeing the pylon beside the TSBD needs to have their peepers checked out. Maybe this Peeper Problem explains the erroneous interpretation of the Altgens photo. Then again, maybe they are just afraid to Admit they cavalierly rubber stamped an erroneous Claim for decades?

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« Reply #157 on: October 12, 2018, 09:58:14 PM »
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    Anyone that looks at that photo and believes they are seeing the pylon beside the TSBD needs to have their peepers checked out. Maybe this Peeper Problem explains the erroneous interpretation of the Altgens photo. Then again, maybe they are just afraid to Admit they cavalierly rubber stamped an erroneous Claim for decades?

In medical terms....It's called Crainialrectalitis.......

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #158 on: October 12, 2018, 10:00:25 PM »
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Robin, What is that dance you doing called?

      I think he should call it the "Zoom Chicka BOOM".  The "Boom" is his head exploding as he melts down with his numerous photogs using numerous Zoom lenses excuse. Sad
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« Reply #159 on: October 12, 2018, 10:11:26 PM »
The Zapruder frame that equals Altgens 6 shows Chaney back by the bumper of the Secret Service car...

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