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Online Walt Cakebread

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #60 on: October 07, 2018, 07:30:10 PM »
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Walt, yes the line in the diagram is about twice that of the line in Altgens 6. But I see others problems that make the comparison invalid. First, Altgens was not directly in front of the limo and that decreases the perceived angle considerably. It is much less than you would see from directly in front of the limo
Second, anytime you take an overhead view and compare it to a photo taken at ground level the angles change. The angle you see from overhead will always be less than the angle you see from any other view.  As an example taken from the backyard photos Oswalds shadow appears about 2 1/2 times greater than it would be from above because Marina was about 10 to 12 feet away and at about 4 feet high. I have duplicated this perspective and the large difference in perceived angles make comparison impossible unless you take the perspective into account. 
 Third, the comparison can show you the line of sight from Altgens but it does not tell you where along that line that Chaney is positioned. You could move him forward a bit in the overhead diagram while keeping him on that line of sight and end up with Chaney next to the limo.
 The closest we can come to locating Chaney's position is to do a line of sight from above. Using the West map I found Chaney could not be next to JFK because the line of sight puts him within  about one foot of the lime which is too close. His bike would be be in contact with the limo.
 One other note for anyone doing an LOS for the limo or Chaney in Altgens 6. The West map shows the lane marker next to the limo's left front tire in the wrong location. An old overhead photo I found shows that the lane marker was mis aligned with the marker next to it by about 6 feet! So if you used that lane marker to get an LOS it will place Altgens 4 feet closer to the curb than the West map puts him. His location in the West map is correct but tat lane marker is not.

 Altgens was not directly in front of the limo and that decreases the perceived angle considerably.

It's NOT a perceived angle.....The angle is a MEASURED angle which uses the shadow of the side of the Lincoln as base.....

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #61 on: October 07, 2018, 08:26:23 PM »
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Incidentally.... I wouldn't bet the farm that the traffic divider line is located where someone says it is.......You may recall that the back wound was conveniently moved up to JFK's neck......  so moving a traffic divider line is no problem....

For a start the WC initial draft said that the wound was slightly above the shoulder....



And Ford simply altered the language to more accurately reflect the actual Autopsy report.



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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #62 on: October 07, 2018, 08:46:54 PM »
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Royell....I'm looking for feedback on my post ..... It's possible to accurately place the Lincoln on Elm street by using Robert West's plat of Dealy Plaza and the Altgens photo..... And it's possible to place Chaney alongside the Lincoln.

     Without fail, every single time a LN gets in a pickle regarding an assignation image they go into their "perspective" dance.  BS: They want everyone to Rely on JFK assassination images until these same images disprove them. Then, what you see is Not what you get. The use of this hokey pokey is employed to explain the variance in the physical position of the Chism family. Willis/Black Dog Man pic displays the Chism Family standing almost underneath the Stemmons sign & close to rubbing elbows with the Umbrella Man. This position contradicts the Bronson images showing the Chism's standing well East of the Stemmons Sign down on the street.

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #63 on: October 07, 2018, 08:51:38 PM »
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     Without fail, every single time a LN gets in a pickle regarding an assignation image they go into their "perspective" dance.  BS: They want everyone to Rely on JFK assassination images until these same images disprove them. Then, what you see is Not what you get. The use of this hokey pokey is employed to explain the variance in the physical position of the Chism family. Willis/Black Dog Man pic displays the Chism Family standing almost underneath the Stemmons sign & close to rubbing elbows with the Umbrella Man. This position contradicts the Bronson images showing the Chism's standing well East of the Stemmons Sign down on the street.

Don't you believe perspective should be taken into account?

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« Reply #64 on: October 07, 2018, 09:06:40 PM »
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Don't you believe perspective should be taken into account?

      Sure. But when you get into moving numerous people around by numerous Feet and also in various directions on the compass = Nope. Plus, these same people then want to then swear there is absolutely No distortion what-so-ever at any point on the Z Film which they absolutely swear by. They can Not have it Every which way but loose.

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« Reply #65 on: October 07, 2018, 09:11:16 PM »
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For a start the WC initial draft said that the wound was slightly above the shoulder....



And Ford simply altered the language to more accurately reflect the actual Autopsy report.



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     Stop with the WC flim flam. The autopsy face sheet and the autopsy photo(s) match up. They were both done well before the WC crafted their LN/SBT Malarkey and then needing to relocate the position of the JFK BACK Wound.
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« Reply #66 on: October 07, 2018, 09:14:08 PM »
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      Sure. But when you get into moving numerous people around by numerous Feet and also in various directions on the compass = Nope. Plus, these same people then want to then swear there is absolutely No distortion what-so-ever at any point on the Z Film which they absolutely swear by. They can Not have it Every which way but loose.

Okay, fair enough. I think each image needs to be judged individually since the conditions will very in each case. This opens up accusations of cherry picking and making things fit what you want to see of course, and this seems to be the case regardless of which 'side' is commenting.

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #67 on: October 07, 2018, 09:14:15 PM »
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Don't you believe perspective should be taken into account?

One thing to know about Storing is that never once has he ever proven any of his image alteration fantasies. And ironically he relies on the same imagery to prove the identities of various people within these images, go figure!

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« Reply #68 on: October 07, 2018, 09:22:37 PM »
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    The autopsy face sheet and the autopsy photo(s) match up.

Yes they do, so what's your point?



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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #69 on: October 07, 2018, 09:33:55 PM »
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For a start the WC initial draft said that the wound was slightly above the shoulder....



And Ford simply altered the language to more accurately reflect the actual Autopsy report.



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      As we see on the autopsy face sheet and the autopsy photo, the wound is Not in the, "base of the right side of the Neck"

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