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Online Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2018, 02:33:33 PM »
Altgens 6 shows what Connolly said happened. He heard the first shot (JFK is already grasping his throat or thereabouts,) then turned to his right (as in shown in the photo) and when turning back to his left was hit by the next shot. He could hardly have turned to his right, if he had already been hit by the alleged throat bullet.

Thanks Ray....  You've illuminated more information in the photo than I had realized was present.....You're right JFK has obviously been hit , Chaney is alongside the Lincoln looking over his right shoulder at JFK, whose hands are at his throat,  and Connolly has not yet been hit by a bullet.....

One picture is better than a thousand words.....

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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2018, 04:13:43 PM »
Thanks Ray....  You've illuminated more information in the photo than I had realized was present.....You're right JFK has obviously been hit , Chaney is alongside the Lincoln looking over his right shoulder at JFK, whose hands are at his throat,  and Connolly has not yet been hit by a bullet.....

One picture is better than a thousand words.....

 You are wrong, Cakebread. His hands are not at his throat, they never went near his throat. The Altgens photo shows only his left hand, index finger extended, other fingers curled, and the hand is in front of his chin.  His right hand-- by the time this picture was taken--is open and in front of his chest and continues to move downward onto his chest.   You're right about a picture being netter than a thousand words, though, because this picture along with the Zapruder film proves that you haven't a clue as to what President Kennedy's hands did when he was shot!

 Watch this GIF closely, and note where his hands are. Right hand covers the mouth, the left hand comes up directly under the right, meeting the right hand, left index finger is extended. When Mrs Kennedy takes hold of his arm and pulls his left arm involuntarily (since at the same time, she is turning her head to look at the governor) his left arm and hand remain in the same position until the fatal shot is fired.  The right hand cupped over his mouth until Mrs. Kennedy takes hold of his left arm.  As he turns his head to the left, his right hand opens slightly, and remains at the same height so that by the time he stops turning his head, the right hand is at cheek level, until beings it down, level with his chest.   There is absolutely not one frame of the film showing him "grabbing his throat".   https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/PopularGrotesqueIvorybackedwoodswallow
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2018, 04:29:04 PM »
You are wrong, Cakebread. His hands are not at his throat, they never went near his throat. The Altgens photo shows only his left hand, index finger extended, other fingers curled, and the hand is in front of his chin.  His right hand-- by the time this picture was taken--is open and in front of his chest and continues to move downward onto his chest.   You're right about a picture being netter than a thousand words, though, because this picture along with the Zapruder film proves that you haven't a clue as to what President Kennedy's hands did when he was shot!

Stevie ol chum...I could not care less about the specifics of JFK's hands....You have acknowledged that "the hand is in front of his chin." and the last time I checked, the throat is to the rear of the chin.....

So JFK is reacting to being hit in the photo....But Connolly is NOT......And James Chaney is also reacting to JFK being hit.... He is alongside of the Lincoln and looking over his right shoulder at JFK.

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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2018, 04:42:07 PM »


      Walt - The "hands" issue is a diversion. You got 'em on the run with the Officer Chaney position issue. As much as they might like, don't take their detour.

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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2018, 04:48:09 PM »
Stevie ol chum...I could not care less about the specifics of JFK's hands....You have acknowledged that "the hand is in front of his chin." and the last time I checked, the throat is to the rear of the chin.....

So JFK is reacting to being hit in the photo....But Connolly is NOT......And James Chaney is also reacting to JFK being hit.... He is alongside of the Lincoln and looking over his right shoulder at JFK.


 It's C-o-n-n-A-l-l-y, Walt!  Not "Connolly".  You can't even spell the name of the governor corectly!

 Watch this GIF closely, and note where his hands are. Right hand covers the mouth, the left hand comes up directly under the right, meeting the right hand, left index finger is extended. When Mrs Kennedy takes hold of his arm and pulls his left arm involuntarily (since at the same time, she is turning her head to look at the governor) his left arm and hand remain in the same position until the fatal shot is fired.  The right hand cupped over his mouth until Mrs. Kennedy takes hold of his left arm.  As he turns his head to the left, his right hand opens slightly, and remains at the same height so that by the time he stops turning his head, the right hand is at cheek level, until beings it down, level with his chest.   There is absolutely not one frame of the film showing him "grabbing his throat".   https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/PopularGrotesqueIvorybackedwoodswallow

  The position of JFK's hands ARE in fact, crucial, because we have people like you and others making erroneous claims that his hands "clutched/grabbed/went to" his throat when they didn't!

 As far as your ridiculous claims about Chaney...have at it.  You are making yourself look even more foolish.
 

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« Reply #25 on: October 03, 2018, 05:06:11 PM »

 It's C-o-n-n-A-l-l-y, Walt!  Not "Connolly".  You can't even spell the name of the governor corectly!

 

And you can't even spell correctly, correctly.
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« Reply #26 on: October 03, 2018, 08:22:39 PM »

      Walt - The "hands" issue is a diversion. You got 'em on the run with the Officer Chaney position issue. As much as they might like, don't take their detour.

Thanks Royell....But "I" don't have em on the run....  He who controls the sun and the casting of shadows has em running for cover....

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« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2018, 08:26:07 PM »

 It's C-o-n-n-A-l-l-y, Walt!  Not "Connolly".  You can't even spell the name of the governor corectly!

 Watch this GIF closely, and note where his hands are. Right hand covers the mouth, the left hand comes up directly under the right, meeting the right hand, left index finger is extended. When Mrs Kennedy takes hold of his arm and pulls his left arm involuntarily (since at the same time, she is turning her head to look at the governor) his left arm and hand remain in the same position until the fatal shot is fired.  The right hand cupped over his mouth until Mrs. Kennedy takes hold of his left arm.  As he turns his head to the left, his right hand opens slightly, and remains at the same height so that by the time he stops turning his head, the right hand is at cheek level, until beings it down, level with his chest.   There is absolutely not one frame of the film showing him "grabbing his throat".   https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/PopularGrotesqueIvorybackedwoodswallow

  The position of JFK's hands ARE in fact, crucial, because we have people like you and others making erroneous claims that his hands "clutched/grabbed/went to" his throat when they didn't!

 As far as your ridiculous claims about Chaney...have at it.  You are making yourself look even more foolish.

KMA   Stevie ol chum...   Yer desperation is hanging out  like the tongue of an exhausted dog....

"I guess it's lens distortion that makes the shadows seem to point more forward than they actually do."

Now it's "lens distortion"......  Ha,ha,ha,  LOL!! :D


Notice that the shadow of the front upper tip of the Lincoln's right front fender is clearly visible on the surface of Elm street. ( the shadow of the staff of the American flag is to the rear of the shadow of the fender corner. )  Draw a line from that fender corner shadow up to and through the corner of the fender .

Now notice the shadow that is being cast on the surface of Elm street just beyond the left side of the Lincoln's front bumper.....  and draw a line from that shadow that parallels the line you drew previously....

Does that line pass through the left side of the windshield of Chaney's bike?   Yes?....  Then it is the Windshield that is casting that shadow and it should be obvious that Chaney is ALONGSIDE of the Lincoln.
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« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2018, 01:20:18 AM »

      Walt - The "hands" issue is a diversion. You got 'em on the run with the Officer Chaney position issue. As much as they might like, don't take their detour.

Royell...You can be sure they are soilin their skivies when Craig Lamson sends me messages like this....

The message Mr Lamson sent you was:

So sad.  You are too stupid to even understand how a camera records an image. 

You are a moron.

Take the standard railroad tracks image.  The tracks are the same distance apart.  Yet as the recede towards the distance the appear toget close set together.

The exact same  things happpen to shadows.  Itís photo 101 and you fail.

The shadows donít lie, you just canít hear them telling you that you got it wrong.  As usual.


How about someone else informing  Mr Lamson that he's talking about perspective but perspective has ZIP effect  in the case of the shadows of the corner of the Lincoln fender and the shadow of the windshield of Chaney's motorcycle....
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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2018, 01:40:39 PM »

Notice that the shadow of the front upper tip of the Lincoln's right front fender is clearly visible on the surface of Elm street. ( the shadow of the staff of the American flag is to the rear of the shadow of the fender corner. )  Draw a line from that fender corner shadow up to and through the corner of the fender .

Now notice the shadow that is being cast on the surface of Elm street just beyond the left side of the Lincoln's front bumper.....  and draw a line from that shadow that parallels the line you drew previously....

Does that line pass through the left side of the windshield of Chaney's bike?   Yes?....  Then it is the Windshield that is casting that shadow and it should be obvious that Chaney is ALONGSIDE of the Lincoln.

Hi Walt. Did you notice the X marking the tip of the motorcycle shadow? (I added a question mark on the diagram to the right because of the uncertainties involved.) Where on the diagram would you place the X? You seem to think it's much closer to the front bumper shadow (A) than it is to the curb (B) in the background, but does it really seem so when you look at the photo?

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