Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242


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Offline Steve Barber

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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2018, 11:54:19 PM »
At the time that Altgen's snapped the camera shutter for Altgen #6  Chaney was looking over his right shoulder at President Kennedy as he grabbed at his throat.......

 Walt.  President Kennedy NEVER, EVER "grabbed" or touched his throat!  You haven't been paying attention o the Zapruder film.

 President Kennedy's right hand covers his mouth. Left hand is beneath right hand, with the index finger partially curled and sticking up, while the remaining fingers are slightly curled. The extended index finger can be clearly seen in the Altgens photo, too. As the seconds pass, Kennedy turns his head slightly to his left without lowering his right hand, and now his right hand is level with his cheek. As soon as Mrs. Kennedy reaches her husband's left arm and pulls it slightly downward, he then brings his right hand down to his chest where it remained the rest of the way down the street until the fatal shot.

 There is zero evidence or proof that President Kennedy's hands went anywhere near his throat, therefore, he never "grabbed' "clutched" or touched his throat. Period.

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Online Walt Cakebread

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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2018, 12:22:46 AM »
Walt.  President Kennedy NEVER, EVER "grabbed" or touched his throat!  You haven't been paying attention o the Zapruder film.

Walt.  President Kennedy NEVER, EVER "grabbed" or touched his throat!

JFK's hands are up near his throat in the photo.....   THAT's the point ....  Chaney was looking over his right shoulder and looking at JFK when Altgen's snapped the photo.

What's JFK doing in Altgens #6???

 President Kennedy's right hand covers his mouth. Left hand is beneath right hand, with the index finger partially curled and sticking up, while the remaining fingers are slightly curled. The extended index finger can be clearly seen in the Altgens photo, too. As the seconds pass, Kennedy turns his head slightly to his left without lowering his right hand, and now his right hand is level with his cheek. As soon as Mrs. Kennedy reaches her husband's left arm and pulls it slightly downward, he then brings his right hand down to his chest where it remained the rest of the way down the street until the fatal shot.



 There is zero evidence or proof that President Kennedy's hands went anywhere near his throat, therefore, he never "grabbed' "clutched" or touched his throat. Period.
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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2018, 04:44:44 AM »
Yes. The same can be said about the Zapruder film.  You alterationists  would be comical if it weren't so annoying.  We saw Zapruder film frames in Life Magazine within days of assassination.  We then saw other frames in other editions, The October 1964, the November 1966 issue.  The frames from the film were also published within volume 18 of the Warren Report. So why are you saying such a ridiculous thing?  People actually cut the frames out of volume 18 and watched the film by stacking them in order and then flipping the images to make the film move.  So, I think you are just full of baloney.

     Are you referring to the Z frames that were somehow printed out of sequence ?

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Offline Ray Mitcham

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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2018, 01:06:11 PM »
Altgens 6 shows what Connolly said happened. He heard the first shot (JFK is already grasping his throat or thereabouts,) then turned to his right (as in shown in the photo) and when turning back to his left was hit by the next shot. He could hardly have turned to his right, if he had already been hit by the alleged throat bullet.
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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2018, 02:33:33 PM »
Altgens 6 shows what Connolly said happened. He heard the first shot (JFK is already grasping his throat or thereabouts,) then turned to his right (as in shown in the photo) and when turning back to his left was hit by the next shot. He could hardly have turned to his right, if he had already been hit by the alleged throat bullet.

Thanks Ray....  You've illuminated more information in the photo than I had realized was present.....You're right JFK has obviously been hit , Chaney is alongside the Lincoln looking over his right shoulder at JFK, whose hands are at his throat,  and Connolly has not yet been hit by a bullet.....

One picture is better than a thousand words.....

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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2018, 04:13:43 PM »
Thanks Ray....  You've illuminated more information in the photo than I had realized was present.....You're right JFK has obviously been hit , Chaney is alongside the Lincoln looking over his right shoulder at JFK, whose hands are at his throat,  and Connolly has not yet been hit by a bullet.....

One picture is better than a thousand words.....

 You are wrong, Cakebread. His hands are not at his throat, they never went near his throat. The Altgens photo shows only his left hand, index finger extended, other fingers curled, and the hand is in front of his chin.  His right hand-- by the time this picture was taken--is open and in front of his chest and continues to move downward onto his chest.   You're right about a picture being netter than a thousand words, though, because this picture along with the Zapruder film proves that you haven't a clue as to what President Kennedy's hands did when he was shot!

 Watch this GIF closely, and note where his hands are. Right hand covers the mouth, the left hand comes up directly under the right, meeting the right hand, left index finger is extended. When Mrs Kennedy takes hold of his arm and pulls his left arm involuntarily (since at the same time, she is turning her head to look at the governor) his left arm and hand remain in the same position until the fatal shot is fired.  The right hand cupped over his mouth until Mrs. Kennedy takes hold of his left arm.  As he turns his head to the left, his right hand opens slightly, and remains at the same height so that by the time he stops turning his head, the right hand is at cheek level, until beings it down, level with his chest.   There is absolutely not one frame of the film showing him "grabbing his throat".   https://gfycat.com/gifs/detail/PopularGrotesqueIvorybackedwoodswallow
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2018, 04:29:04 PM »
You are wrong, Cakebread. His hands are not at his throat, they never went near his throat. The Altgens photo shows only his left hand, index finger extended, other fingers curled, and the hand is in front of his chin.  His right hand-- by the time this picture was taken--is open and in front of his chest and continues to move downward onto his chest.   You're right about a picture being netter than a thousand words, though, because this picture along with the Zapruder film proves that you haven't a clue as to what President Kennedy's hands did when he was shot!

Stevie ol chum...I could not care less about the specifics of JFK's hands....You have acknowledged that "the hand is in front of his chin." and the last time I checked, the throat is to the rear of the chin.....

So JFK is reacting to being hit in the photo....But Connolly is NOT......And James Chaney is also reacting to JFK being hit.... He is alongside of the Lincoln and looking over his right shoulder at JFK.

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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2018, 04:42:07 PM »


      Walt - The "hands" issue is a diversion. You got 'em on the run with the Officer Chaney position issue. As much as they might like, don't take their detour.

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