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Offline Royell Storing

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #180 on: October 12, 2018, 10:00:25 PM »
Robin, What is that dance you doing called?

      I think he should call it the "Zoom Chicka BOOM".  The "Boom" is his head exploding as he melts down with his numerous photogs using numerous Zoom lenses excuse. Sad
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« Reply #181 on: October 12, 2018, 10:08:59 PM »
      I think he should call it the "Zoom Chicka BOOM".  The "Boom" is his head exploding as he melts down with his numerous photogs using numerous zoom lenses excuse. Sad

Royell I don't need that Chika boom.
I made calculations and I use several software programs on ONE Altgens photo and one Survey map.
Would be a mess in the world if all those CAD designs where messed up. Not a single rocket would be come from the ground launched into space.




Offline Brian Doyle

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Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #182 on: October 12, 2018, 10:11:26 PM »
The Zapruder frame that equals Altgens 6 shows Chaney back by the bumper of the Secret Service car...

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #183 on: October 12, 2018, 10:31:33 PM »
Regarding Chaney's hand seen through the window.
we can also clearly see the black mans white shirt and black trousers.

Man (1) is atanding on the sidewalk
Altgen 6 / Croft Credit: Martin Hinrichs

Altgens Zoom lense makes things in the backround appear closer than they really are.

The sightline from Altgens to the corner of the concrete pillar east of the lamp post passes over the hood ornament on the front of the limo.  Chaney is north (left) of that.  It seems to me that your drawing has misplaced either Altgens or the limo or both:

There were two motorcycle riders on each side. Chaney and Jackson were to the right (north) side of the motorcade.  In Altgens, we can only see one. Where is the other one? 
We can see a motorcycle front wheel pull up to the side of the president's car in z307 (sprocket area below z307 appears as double exposure at top of z308).  Do we know that that is Chaney? 

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« Reply #184 on: October 12, 2018, 10:43:43 PM »
The sightline from Altgens to the corner of the concrete pillar east of the lamp post passes over the hood ornament on the front of the limo.  Chaney is north (left) of that.  It seems to me that your drawing has misplaced either Altgens or the limo or both:

There were two motorcycle riders on each side. Chaney and Jackson were to the right (north) side of the motorcade.  In Altgens, we can only see one. Where is the other one? 
We can see a motorcycle front wheel pull up to the side of the president's car in z307 (sprocket area below z307 appears as double exposure at top of z308).  Do we know that that is Chaney?

Andrew try reversing that LOS from the center of the third window ( see Elsie Dorman circled) through the west corner of that concrete pylon.....and on to the triple underpass ....   Then do the same starting at the east side of the fourt set of windows and deaw the line through the street light and on to the triple underpass .......The point where the two lines you've drawn meet is where Altgens was standing ....and the place where the first line you drew line would pass through the hood ornament of the Lincoln is where the Lincoln was.    I believe you'll discover that Altgens was in the street in the south traffic lane  north of the "Mary Moorman " location on the plat.   And he was in fact only about 25 feet from the Lincoln.
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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #185 on: October 12, 2018, 10:57:57 PM »
It's called perspective 101

Many people over the years have fallen into the Altgens 6 perspective trap.

I argued with Cinque for years over the same thing

It's called perspective 101...

Are you sure...It looks like the Boogey  Woogey, Two step, Side step...


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« Reply #186 on: October 12, 2018, 11:02:32 PM »
Andrew try reversing that LOS from the center of the third window ( see Elsie Dorman circled) through the west corner of that concrete pylon.....and on to the triple underpass ....   Then do the same starting at the east side of the fourt set of windows and deaw the line through the street light and on to the triple underpass .......The point where the two lines you've drawn meet is where Altgens was standing ....and the place where the first line you drew line would pass through the hood ornament of the Lincoln is where the Lincoln was.    I believe you'll discover that Altgens was in the street in the south traffic lane  north of the "Mary Moorman " location on the plat.   And he was in fact only about 25 feet from the Lincoln.

I just realized that the tree can be aligned with the east corner of the TSBD entrance and used for a third LOS......

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #187 on: October 12, 2018, 11:37:00 PM »


Paul, in your model can you move Chaney back behind the limo, but spaced farther out so that it still falls on the same sight line, as in Mark Ulrik's diagram?



What does that look like?

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #188 on: October 12, 2018, 11:47:04 PM »
Walt, YES, I left out the word 'not' which changes the meaning a bit.. So we agree on that. The point about the headlight proving it is close because it would be obscured by the limo if it was farther away, I think , is backwards. Altgens is slightly above the hood looking down to it. So as his line of sight continues past the limo it allows him to see lower and lower as the LOS moves away from the limo. Look at the people behind Chaney, you can see almost all the way down to their feet. The crown of the road may affect this too.

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Re: Chaney's motorcycle in Zapruder frame Z-242
« Reply #189 on: October 12, 2018, 11:58:27 PM »
Andrew, all I see in 307 is Hargis and Martin. Chaney's front fender becomes visible at 310 in the extra area below the bottom sprocket hole. But 3 seconds have elapsed since frame 255 which aligns with Alrgens 6 so it does not offer any usable info.

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