"Out with Bill Shelley in front"


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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #144 on: November 01, 2019, 09:31:41 AM »
From Shelley's first day statement.

"I didn't see Lee until the Police brought him into the Police Homicide Bureau."

Would seem to confirm that Shelley saw arrive Oswald in custody about 2pm.

In the footage showing Mr Oswald being brought past Mr Lovelady:

We see Mr Oswald have to wait at the door--------this is because Mr Shelley needs to be brought out of that small back office before Mr Oswald can be brought into it!

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #145 on: November 02, 2019, 03:38:48 AM »
A view of that corner from the lobby....


Offline Alan Ford

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #146 on: November 02, 2019, 03:40:56 AM »
A view of that corner from the lobby....



That radiator is visible in Darnell!  Thumb1:

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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #147 on: November 03, 2019, 04:37:32 AM »
Nope, not plausible-----------Hosty's notes say 'Then went outside to watch P. parade', not 'Then intended to go outside to watch P. parade but was stopped on first floor by officer & Mr Truly'!

If an innocent Mr Oswald hadn't managed to go outside, why would he later make a self-incriminating false claim that he had in fact done so? All he need do is tell the alibi-establishing truth------my boss and a police officer saw me right after the shots on the first floor, so I can't have been upstairs.

There really is no need for contorted interpretations and convoluted scenarios here:

Mr Oswald did go outside, he was captured on the Wiegman film standing just behind Mr Lovelady (at his right-hand shoulder)----------------



---------------and he had an encounter with Officer Baker (and Mr Truly) at the entrance.

None of these facts are dependent on his being PrayerMan in Darnell, though they do lend considerable support to that identification!

So! If you wish to maintain that he was lying when he claimed to have been out front, you need to explain why there is a magic dark 'shadow' down Mr Lovelady's right side in the Wiegman film:



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Alan, how  do you know that Oswald DID NOT say that he met Baker on the 1st floor? Do you really think Hosty or Will Fritz would have let that statement remain
"unedited"?
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Offline Alan Ford

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #148 on: November 05, 2019, 08:21:51 PM »
Alan, how  do you know that Oswald DID NOT say that he met Baker on the 1st floor?

Huh? I've been arguing precisely that Mr Oswald did say he met him on the 1st floor------in the 'vestibule'!  Thumb1:

Offline Alan Ford

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #149 on: November 05, 2019, 09:20:07 PM »
Huh? I've been arguing precisely that Mr Oswald did say he met him on the 1st floor------in the 'vestibule'!  Thumb1:

Sequence of events!

1. Mr Oswald breaks for lunch
2. Mr Oswald comes downstairs
3. Mr Oswald buys coke in second floor lunchroom
4. Mr Oswald comes back down to first floor to eat lunch
5. Mr Oswald goes outside to watch P. parade (and shows up in Wiegman film standing just behind Mr Lovelady)
6. Mr Oswald has (benign) encounter with Officer Baker & Mr Truly in the vestibule (front lobby)

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Offline Zeon Mason

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #150 on: November 06, 2019, 01:39:45 AM »
Sequence of events!

1. Mr Oswald breaks for lunch
2. Mr Oswald comes downstairs
3. Mr Oswald buys coke in second floor lunchroom
4. Mr Oswald comes back down to first floor to eat lunch
5. Mr Oswald goes outside to watch P. parade (and shows up in Wiegman film standing just behind Mr Lovelady)
6. Mr Oswald has (benign) encounter with Officer Baker & Mr Truly in the vestibule (front lobby)

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Your sequence does not account for some 20 minutes from 12:00 Eddie Piper sighting of Oswald on 1st floor, to 12:15 sighting by Carolyn Arnold in 2nd floor lunchroom and another 12:25 sighting by Arnold IN THE LOBBY in an FBI report with her signature on it. Since 1978, however, Arnold has denied the 12:25 report as false.

Why would the FBI make up a false 12:25 report and go so far as to forge Arnolds signature on it ? That only hurts their speculative Oswald on 6th floor theory, because there is NO way Oswald could be on 1st floor at 12:25 if he is supposed  to be placing a box on ledge of 6th floor window just after Bonnie Ray Willams left the floor about 12:24

So was Oswald IN the Domino room from 12:01 to 12:14? If so, Norman and Jarman should have seen Oswald but apparently they did not or were unwilling to admit so.

Carolyn Arnold says she saw Oswald SITTING in the lunchroom which shows Oswald is NOT immediately on his way out to see the P. Parade. He  DID take a delay from having spoken to Eddie Piper at 12:00.


Online John Iacoletti

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #151 on: December 24, 2019, 12:04:13 AM »

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