"Out with Bill Shelley in front"

[Zeon Mason]

the relatives account of what Sarah Stanton may have said, is that Oswald had a coke in his hand (or "pepsi") at the time of meeting, so either Oswald had already gotten a Dr.Pepper from the 1st floor machine by the rear stairs or he had just gotten a coke from the 2nd floor lunchroom machine and exited the lunchroom BEFORE Sarah then saw Oswald.

In either case, that would be before Oswald is seen sitting in the 2nd floor lunchroom by Carolyn Arnold at 12:15  depending which FBI statement or which later 1978 statement by Carolyn Arnold is the correct one.

So if Oswald already has coke or Dr.Pepper and  he is on his way down to eat lunch in the Domino room, that would have to be in the range of about 12:10 to have seen Norman and Jarman at that time, still in the TSBD. They left sometime very shortly after 12:10 and not later than 12:15 to go around to the front of the TSBD.

So what did Oswald do then? Did he stay in the Domino room from 12:12 until about 12:14 and then went BACK up to the 2nd floor lunchroom, got himself ANOTHER coke, and then he decided to sit down there and continue eating the remainder of his lunch there for at least another few minutes such to be observed by Carolyn Arnold from 12:15?

If what  Oswald is alleged to have stated in Will Fritz office is that he "went out to see the presidential parade" then it follows that Oswald must have left the 2nd floor lunchroom a few minutes after 12:15 to go down to the 1st floor lobby, and perhaps that is why there is also the Carolyn Arnold FBI statement of having seen Oswald on the ground floor at about 12:25.

But getting Oswald out the door and standing somewhere on the front entrance and then back into the lobby again and either meeting Baker there on 1st floor or on the 2nd floor lunchroom later is a very difficult problem to work out especially with no witness at all having seen Oswald after 12:25 until about 12:31:30

[Mark A. Oblazney]

If Oswald shot Kennedy, and there was only one Oswald, how could he be PrayerDude?  Some of you are miscontrued, I'm afraid.  You must re-think your assumptions.  Just my opinion.

[Alan Ford]

So there exists the plausible sequence that Oswald went down to the Domino room and lingered there for some reason with INTENT of eventually going out to "see the presidential parade" at the last minute, but never actually did and thus perhaps it was Oswald exiting from Domino room and meeting Baker on the 1st floor as Baker and Truly ran diagonally across to the elevators about 65 sec post shots.

Nope, not plausible-----------Hosty's notes say 'Then went outside to watch P. parade', not 'Then intended to go outside to watch P. parade but was stopped on first floor by officer & Mr Truly'!

If an innocent Mr Oswald hadn't managed to go outside, why would he later make a self-incriminating false claim that he had in fact done so? All he need do is tell the alibi-establishing truth------my boss and a police officer saw me right after the shots on the first floor, so I can't have been upstairs.

There really is no need for contorted interpretations and convoluted scenarios here:

Mr Oswald did go outside, he was captured on the Wiegman film standing just behind Mr Lovelady (at his right-hand shoulder)----------------



---------------and he had an encounter with Officer Baker (and Mr Truly) at the entrance.

None of these facts are dependent on his being PrayerMan in Darnell, though they do lend considerable support to that identification!

So! If you wish to maintain that he was lying when he claimed to have been out front, you need to explain why there is a magic dark 'shadow' down Mr Lovelady's right side in the Wiegman film:



 

[Colin Crow]

The official story has Oswald exiting the front entrance about 3 minutes after the shots. At a time Bill Shelley was no where near the front entrance. Yet dumb'ass Oswald once again knowingly uses employees who were not in a position to support his alibi. Shelley was at City Hall that afternoon until 5pm. Oswald was seen by Lovelady and Williams, the latter rode in the same car as Shelley to HQ. There are images of Oswald walking right passed Lovelady.

From Shelley's first day statement.

"I didn't see Lee until the Police brought him into the Police Homicide Bureau."

Would seem to confirm that Shelley saw arrive Oswald in custody about 2pm.

[Alan Ford]

From Shelley's first day statement.

"I didn't see Lee until the Police brought him into the Police Homicide Bureau."

Would seem to confirm that Shelley saw arrive Oswald in custody about 2pm.

In the footage showing Mr Oswald being brought past Mr Lovelady:

We see Mr Oswald have to wait at the door--------this is because Mr Shelley needs to be brought out of that small back office before Mr Oswald can be brought into it!

 

[Jerry Freeman]

A view of that corner from the lobby....

[Alan Ford]

A view of that corner from the lobby....

That radiator is visible in Darnell!