"Out with Bill Shelley in front"


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Offline Robin Unger

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"Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« on: September 30, 2018, 10:09:46 PM »
We know thanks to the Bookhout report that the the fritz notes "out with Bill Shelley in front" comment
does NOT refer to during the assassination Timeline, but actually refers to the Timeline just prior to Oswald leaving the TSBD and going home.

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0322a.htm



Crop from the Bookhout report


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"Out with Bill Shelley in front"
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Offline Anthony Clayden

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2018, 11:57:32 PM »
Two things to note from this....

Firstly it has LHO claiming to purchase his Coke before the 2nd floor encounter. This makes both the descent timing tighter but also the spotting of LHO by Baker through the door window difficult.

Secondly, it has LHO claiming to not fleeing the scene but almost the reverse. From the 2nd floor, instead of the closest route out of the back of the building, he takes the route across the 2nd floor, possible points out the phone to a journalist, then proceed to mill outside of the TSBD with Shelley.

Offline Larry Trotter

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #2 on: October 01, 2018, 03:25:31 AM »
Two things to note from this....

Firstly it has LHO claiming to purchase his Coke before the 2nd floor encounter. This makes both the descent timing tighter but also the spotting of LHO by Baker through the door window difficult.

Secondly, it has LHO claiming to not fleeing the scene but almost the reverse. From the 2nd floor, instead of the closest route out of the back of the building, he takes the route across the 2nd floor, possible points out the phone to a journalist, then proceed to mill outside of the TSBD with Shelley.

At the time of the report of FBI SA JamesBookhout about the statement by LeeHarveyOswald, the evidentiary value of the timing of the soft drink purchase, whether before or after the SecondFloorLunchRoomEncounter, had not been established. And, it could very well be a mistake made in the noted timing as transcribed, but in any event the timing raises questions about the LeeHarveyOswald/LoneGunmanAssassin Theory, and eliminates the  LeeHarveyOswald/ PrayerManImage Theory.
« Last Edit: October 01, 2018, 03:27:27 AM by Larry Trotter »

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Offline Colin Crow

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #3 on: October 01, 2018, 03:30:45 PM »
Must be the dumbest attempt ever. Not hard to check with Shelley, who was likely still in the vicinity.

Then again, Oswald was dead by the time it was dictated, so who knows what he meant.
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2018, 03:45:24 PM »
Two things to note from this....

Firstly it has LHO claiming to purchase his Coke before the 2nd floor encounter. This makes both the descent timing tighter but also the spotting of LHO by Baker through the door window difficult.

Secondly, it has LHO claiming to not fleeing the scene but almost the reverse. From the 2nd floor, instead of the closest route out of the back of the building, he takes the route across the 2nd floor, possible points out the phone to a journalist, then proceed to mill outside of the TSBD with Shelley.

Firstly it has LHO claiming to purchase his Coke before the 2nd floor encounter.

This statement is corroborated by Roy Truly when Truly talked to a reporter about a week after the coup d e'tat. Truly told the reporter that Lee was in the lunchroom drinking a coke at the time that he and Baker encountered Lee there.

instead of the closest route out of the back of the building, he takes the route across the 2nd floor

Where does it say that Lee took the route across the second floor?    It is commonly accepted that Lee traveled through the second floor office are and passed by Mrs Reid after he was dismissed as a non suspect by DPD officer Marrion Baker.

Offline Mark A. Oblazney

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2018, 04:02:13 PM »
We know thanks to the Bookhout report that the the fritz notes "out with Bill Shelley in front" comment
does NOT refer to during the assassination Timeline, but actually refers to the Timeline just prior to Oswald leaving the TSBD and going home.

http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wr/html/WCReport_0322a.htm



Crop from the Bookhout report


How many days after the shooting were these notes made, Robin?  More than five?

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Offline Mark A. Oblazney

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2018, 09:09:54 PM »
OK Brian, enough is enough. I'm calling it now; yours is a joke comment right? I know it's a joke comment because is so farking mad it can't be anything but a joke.
  I'll bet Albut's writing a screenplay about all this.  I hear his friend Ralph Stinky has a movie in production entitled, "My Stretch of Texas Ground", having something to do with 'swarthy ayrabs' and stuff.  The other working title, I hear, is.......  "Lil' Skid Mark"

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Re: "Out with Bill Shelley in front"
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2018, 10:21:51 PM »

The photo (linked beneath) shows the actual shirt which Oswald wore on Nov 22 at the time when JFK was assassinated:

http://photos.google.com/photo/AF1QipMzOkyvQ8mf9VlhdxRWXJd4kFeSYUgrWxZoiW_C?hl=sv

More information available here: http://www.patspeer.com/chapter-4b-threads-of-evidence

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