Ruthie Paine's Confusing Calendar

[Jerry Freeman]

Then what was in that large-ish package that Lee Oswald took inside the Book Depository Building on the morning of November 22nd? 

Did you see it?

[John Iacoletti]

Then what was in that large-ish package that Lee Oswald took inside the Book Depository Building on the morning of November 22nd?

I don’t know and neither do you. But the preponderance of the evidence suggests that it was not the C2766 rifle. And you don’t actually know that he took it inside the building either.

Quick Summary:

....Lee Harvey Oswald orders a rifle through the mail in March '63.

....On March 20, Klein's ships Carcano Rifle No. C2766 to Oswald's known Dallas mailing address (P.O. Box 2915 at the Dallas post office).

....While talking to Buell Wesley Frazier on the morning of 11/21/63, Oswald makes up a story about wanting to get some curtain rods at Ruth Paine's house in Irving that evening.

....Oswald, who spent the night at Ruth Paine's house on the night of 11/21, is seen by Frazier taking a long-ish package into the TSBD on the morning of 11/22.

....Carcano Rifle No. C2766 is found on the sixth floor of the TSBD 52 minutes after President Kennedy was assassinated (via rifle fire) from that very same sixth floor.

....An empty long-ish brown paper bag is also found on the 6th floor---very near the window where someone had just shot at the President. Two of Oswald's prints turn up on that bag.

I see you’re confusing your assumptions with facts again.  You don’t know that Klein’s shipped this rifle anywhere. You don’t know that Oswald “made up a story” about curtain rods. You don’t know that Kennedy was assassinated from the sixth floor or from that window. You don’t know where the CE142 bag was found or that it was the same package Frazier saw.

[David Von Pein]

I don’t know and neither do you. But the preponderance of the evidence suggests that it was not the C2766 rifle. And you don’t actually know that he took it inside the building either.

I see you’re confusing your assumptions with facts again.  You don’t know that Klein’s shipped this rifle anywhere. You don’t know that Oswald “made up a story” about curtain rods. You don’t know that Kennedy was assassinated from the sixth floor or from that window. You don’t know where the CE142 bag was found or that it was the same package Frazier saw.

I see we're still having to endure the constant denials regarding the evidence from the conspiracy fantasists. No surprise there, of course.

In a CTer's mind, Frazier lied....Marina lied....the cops all lied....the Warren Commission lied....the FBI lied....and God knows who else lied. It was a regular Liars Convention in Dallas in November of 1963.

Shouldn't a belief in THAT MANY liars be a pretty good hint to CTers that there's something wrong with the way conspiracists think about this case? I think it should serve as a very very big hint.

[Jerry Freeman]

Who said that Marina invented a false story?

I don't know about 'invented' but she lied..even the Warren gang knew she lied.

Mr. RANKIN. When was the last time that you had noticed the rifle before that day?
Mrs. OSWALD. I said that I saw--for the first and last time I saw the rifle about a week after I had come to Mrs. Paine. But, as I said, the rifle was wrapped in a blanket, and I was sure when the police had come that the rifle was still in the blanket, because it was all rolled together. And, therefore, when they took the blanket and the rifle was not in it, I was very much surprised.

Then who put the rifle under the blanket? They tried to put it on Mr Paine but it doesn't work. BTW-----

Michael Paine was related to the Forbes and Cabot families. Michael’s mother, Ruth Forbes, was a very good friend of Mary Bancroft, Allen Dulles former lover Michael’s stepfather was Arthur Young, a famous inventor and one of the creators of Bell Helicopter. That connection helped his step-son Michael Paine get a high tech/high security clearance to work at Bell Helicopter in Fort Worth. Ruth Paine’s father, William Avery Hyde, and his wife Carol were prominent members of the Ohio Unitarians. An employee of theTexas Employment Commission wanted to inform Oswald that they had found him a job at Trans Texas Airport. Ruth Paine answered that he was not home and so they called back the next day to hear that Oswald had taken a job elsewhere. Ruth never informed Oswald about this job, even though it paid about $100 more per month than the TSBD one. The backyard photographs of Oswald posing with a rifle were found by the police at the Paines’ home. But a week later, another piece of evidence turned up out of the blue— on November 30. It was a note found inside a book incriminating Oswald in the attempted murder of General Walker, which is bizarre since Oswald, for seven months, had never been considered a suspect in that case. Ruth Paine also provided other evidence: a betting guide and a English-Spanish dictionary that allegedly proved that Oswald had visited Mexico. Ruth was also responsible for discovering the well-known “Kostin letter“ allegedly written by Oswald saying that he met Comrade Kostin (meaning Kostikov) in Mexico City. some of these items were discovered after the Dallas Police searched the Paine home and garage—twice! A good example would be the Imperial Reflex camera which was allegedly used to take the backyard photographs. That camera was not on the original Dallas Police inventory list. It was found by Ruth two weeks after the assassination.

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  Frazier lied

Yup

Marina lied

absolutely

the cops all lied

Not all of them c'mon

the FBI lied

The FBI just did what they were told....   

the WC lied

They didn't have to...everybody else lied for them

and God knows who else lied.

You do well to invoke the knowledge of The Almighty.

[John Iacoletti]

More denial regarding the evidence. No surprise here.

Calling an assumption evidence doesn’t make it evidence.

In a CTer's mind, Frazier lied....Marina lied....the cops all lied....the WC lied....the FBI lied....and God knows who else lied. It was a regular Liars Convention in Dallas in Nov. '63.

Nice strawman, but I didn’t say any of these things. Try again.

Meanwhile, you should take a look at the LN cavalcade of “lying/mistaken” witnesses sometime.

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,100.0.html

[David Von Pein]

Nice strawman, but I didn’t say any of these things. Try again.

In essence, yes, you did. Try again. You're doing lousy tonight so far.

Meanwhile, you should take a look at the LN cavalcade of “lying/mistaken” witnesses sometime.

Maybe you should try to take notice of the difference between "lie" and "mistake". CTers seem to have difficulty with that one.

[John Iacoletti]

In essence, yes, you did. Try again. You're doing lousy tonight so far.

“In essence”. LOL. Yet another assumption masquerading as a fact. If I’m doing so “lousy” why are you unable to substantively address anything I have said?

Maybe you should try to take notice of the difference between "lie" and "mistake". CTers seem to have difficulty with that one.

Seems to me the guy who just got done falsely accusing me of saying that everybody “lied” is the one who doesn’t know the difference.

In essence.