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Offline Rob Caprio

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Who Was The Man Who Fired A Shot In Mrs. Lovell Pennís Pasture?
« on: September 24, 2018, 05:23:51 PM »
Thanks to Tom Scully I have updated this question.

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This incident occurred on October 6, 1963, and she contacted the FBI regarding it since she recovered a shell. This seems very important, but NOT to the FBI or WC I guess.  All we get is one TINY paragraph denoted CE 2448.

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On December 6, 1963, Mrs. Lovell T. Penn, Belt Line Road, Cedar Hill, Texas, advised that she had located one spent shell which had been fired in her pasture on October 6, 1963, by the man she thought MIGHT HAVE BEEN Oswald. Mrs. Penn made this shell available. 

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The FBI would receive the shell along with other ballistic evidence on December 4, 1963, via Special Agent David Barry. We learn about this from CE 3049 on page 2 of the original report (page 601 of Volume XXVI). Here is that report.

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The FBI would give more information about this shell in a memorandum that contained no name or signature. It would say the following about the shell found in Penn's pasture.

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The cartridge case, Q231, is a 6.5 mm Mannlicher-Carcano cartridge case. ÖAs a result of this examination, it was determined that Q231 could not have been fired from Oswald's rifle. This is based on differences in firing pin and breach face marks.

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First of all, there is no evidence that shows that CE 139 was ever linked to LHO or the assassination so this comment is erroneous. Secondly, if it wasn't LHO firing the shot in Penn's pasture then who was it?

This would seem important to me, so why did the WC make NO issue of it? Could it be it was NOT LHO? That would seem to be the likely version given the scant attention the WC gave it.

Who was out shooting in Mrs. Pennís pasture in early October?
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Offline Rob Caprio

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Re: Who Was The Man Who Fired A Shot In Mrs. Lovell Pennís Pasture?
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2018, 04:59:52 PM »
The total lack of interest in this by the WC pretty much confirms that this was not LHO. Who was it? Most likely another lookalike trying to setup LHO.

This points to a conspiracy.

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Re: Who Was The Man Who Fired A Shot In Mrs. Lovell Pennís Pasture?
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2018, 04:01:31 AM »
So not one LNer can help us out? Who was this man?

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Re: Who Was The Man Who Fired A Shot In Mrs. Lovell Pennís Pasture?
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2018, 08:30:45 AM »
Irrelevant question, because....:
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Re: Who Was The Man Who Fired A Shot In Mrs. Lovell Pennís Pasture?
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2018, 08:38:28 AM »
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This incident occurred on October 6, 1963, and she contacted the FBI regarding it since she recovered a shell. This seems very important, but NOT to the FBI or WC I guess.  All we get is one TINY paragraph denoted CE-2448.

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On December 6, 1963, Mrs. Lovell T. Penn, Belt Line Road, Cedar Hill, Texas, advised that she had located one spent shell which had been fired in her pasture on October 6, 1963, by the man she thought MIGHT HAVE BEEN Oswald. Mrs. Penn made this shell available. 

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Too bad the FBI and WC did NOT make ďavailableĒ what they found upon examining this shell.  Was it a 6.5mm type or some other type? Who knows as this is all we got from them on this issue. This would seem important to me as it would show LHO was out practicing with his rifle for the big event, so why did the WC make NO issue of it? Could it be it was NOT a 6.5mm and the man was NOT LHO? That would seem to be the likely version given the scant attention the WC gave it.

Who was out shooting in Mrs. Pennís pasture in early October?


All the FBI had to do was swap the shell for one of Oswald's and voila, proof Oswald practiced but too bad the FBI was too honest.

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Re: Who Was The Man Who Fired A Shot In Mrs. Lovell Pennís Pasture?
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2018, 10:46:28 AM »
Whoopsie!  ::)

If the rest of your "evidence" is anything like this, it's no wonder no one listens to you.


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Re: Who Was The Man Who Fired A Shot In Mrs. Lovell Pennís Pasture?
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2018, 03:06:14 AM »
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All the FBI had to do was swap the shell for one of Oswald's and voila, proof Oswald practiced but too bad the FBI was too honest.

JohnM

Who do you think the guy was? Any thoughts?

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Re: Who Was The Man Who Fired A Shot In Mrs. Lovell Pennís Pasture?
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2018, 03:08:48 AM »
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Whoopsie!  ::)

If the rest of your "evidence" is anything like this, it's no wonder no one listens to you.

Says a poster who doesn't cite any evidence. Do you have any idea who this could have been? Are you just here to demean the posters that you don't agree with?

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Re: Who Was The Man Who Fired A Shot In Mrs. Lovell Pennís Pasture?
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2018, 03:47:42 AM »
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Who do you think the guy was? Any thoughts?

I don't know but what Tom posted was interesting, she found some 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano shells and they didn't match Oswald's rifle?
It sounds pretty obvious to me like she got some 6.5mm shells from somewhere and not realizing that her story could be checked out with ballistics, just made up a story.

JohnM

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Re: Who Was The Man Who Fired A Shot In Mrs. Lovell Pennís Pasture?
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2018, 04:30:36 AM »
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I don't know but what Tom posted was interesting, she found some 6.5 Mannlicher Carcano shells and they didn't match Oswald's rifle?
It sounds pretty obvious to me like she got some 6.5mm shells from somewhere and not realizing that her story could be checked out with ballistics, just made up a story.

JohnM

I'm not saying that this isn't possible, but isn't that something that the FBI should have investigated to know one way or another? This is one of my main issues with the official "investigation" as they did not handle it like they would have in most other cases.

LNers claim that I am a LHO defender when in fact I am really a defender of the American rights we were given by the Constitution. If LHO was really guilty then a shoddy investigation and total ignorance of so many things wouldn't be needed.

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Re: Who Was The Man Who Fired A Shot In Mrs. Lovell Pennís Pasture?
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2018, 04:30:36 AM »