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Offline Ray Mitcham

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Re: If a bullet didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
« Reply #120 on: September 23, 2018, 10:34:25 PM »
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So your version of the assassination has a bullet being recovered from JFK's throat ?

 :D


You don't know, so your laughs are rather hollow, Howard.

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Re: If a bullet didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
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Offline Rob Caprio

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Re: If a bullet didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
« Reply #121 on: September 23, 2018, 10:37:14 PM »
It has been shown that the SBT is impossible in many different ways, therefore, how can the LNers support the WC's claim that LHO committed the crime?

From what I have observed over many years they can't. That means they support a false claim. Why?

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Re: If a bullet didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
« Reply #122 on: September 23, 2018, 10:39:01 PM »
It has been shown that the SBT is impossible in many different ways, therefore, how can the LNers support the WC's claim that LHO committed the crime?

From what I have observed over many years they can't. That means they support a false claim. Why?

Following the official line, Rob.

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Re: If a bullet didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
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Offline John Mytton

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Re: If a bullet didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
« Reply #123 on: September 23, 2018, 10:48:36 PM »
Quote me saying either statement. Failure to do so will again demonstrate that you are a dishonest person.

Good, so you believe that Ruby actually killed Ruby and the pubic hairs in evidence belong to Oswald, just like a WC supporter, nice!

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Re: If a bullet didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
« Reply #124 on: September 23, 2018, 10:49:46 PM »
Didn't you just say that JFK was hit by the first shot and JBC the second ?

When (what Z frame) do you have the first shot hitting JFK and what frame do you claim JBC is hit by the second ?
JBC was hit by the second shot in the back/armpit but the evidence is that a fragment from this bullet struck the windshield, windshield frame and sunvisor and another struck Tague, so it did not cause the left thigh wound which had the characteristics of being struck by the butt end of an intact bullet. So, that means he was also struck by another bullet. The evidence is very consistent that JFK was hit on the first shot. That bullet went to the left of JBC's midline and did not strike the car inside. What does that tell you?

To determine when the second shot occurred study the evidence. It was, according to Greer, just before he turned around and saw JBC falling back. According to Altgens it was after he took his z256 photo. According to Nellie it was after she stopped looking back at JFK. According to about 40 witnesses it was after the midpoint between shots 1 and 3. According to Hickey it occurred when JFK's hair on the right side flew up.  You should be able to figure it out from that.
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Re: If a bullet didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
« Reply #125 on: September 23, 2018, 10:54:10 PM »
According to Hickey and, perhaps, Kinney, JFK's hair on the right side flew up at the time of the second shot.   You will notice JBC start sailing forward immediately after z272.  JFK's hair flies up from z273-276.

Hickey is seated on the backseat of the Queen Mary limousine and facing backward in the Altgens photo, taken at Z255. He has to turn around, locate Kennedy and observe a hair flip by Z273 (one second). Also, I don't believe the area where Kennedy's hair fluffs up in Z272 is observable to where Hickey is sitting. And that same piece of hair fluffs Z268-269.

 

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The sun visor above Greer's head, that was hit by a bullet fragment, moves up between z271-272.  All of that is pretty consistent and points to a shot at z271-72.



The sun visor over Hickey is flapping slightly all the way down Elm. Kellerman's head is completely hidden from view by the lamp-post Z266-267, so a sun visor moving before then sort of defeats Mason's claim that a fragment strike caused the minor visor movement that's seen just before the animation ends.
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Re: If a bullet didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
« Reply #126 on: September 23, 2018, 11:00:22 PM »
It has been shown that the SBT is impossible in many different ways, therefore, how can the LNers support the WC's claim that LHO committed the crime?

From what I have observed over many years they can't. That means they support a false claim. Why?
The SBT is only needed if JBC is reacting to his chest wound at z230 or so.  The evidence is consistent and overwhelming that the last two shots were in rapid succession, which means that there was only one shot before z250.  There is no reason Oswald could not have fired all 3 shots.
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Re: If a bullet didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
« Reply #127 on: September 23, 2018, 11:08:48 PM »
JBC was hit by the second shot in the back/armpit but the evidence is that a fragment from this bullet struck the windshield, windshield frame and sunvisor and another struck Tague, so it did not cause the left thigh wound which had the characteristics of being struck by the butt end of an intact bullet. So, that means he was also struck by another bullet. The evidence is very consistent that JFK was hit on the first shot. That bullet went to the left of JBC's midline and did not strike the car inside. What does that tell you?

To determine when the second shot occurred study the evidence. It was, according to Greer, just before he turned around and saw JBC falling back. According to Altgens it was after he took his z256 photo. According to Nellie it was after she stopped looking back at JFK. According to about 40 witnesses it was after the midpoint between shots 1 and 3. According to Hickey it occurred when JFK's hair on the right side flew up.  You should be able to figure it out from that.

Still holding off the "Big Reveal".

Howard, Andrew Mason -- an otherwise intelligent person who is a qualified attorney at law -- has a pet theory that goes something like this:
  • First shot: ca. Z197-200
    Bullet from SN window goes through Kennedy's neck,
    emwrges to then go pass left side of Connally's torso
    and buries itself in the Governor's left thigh. Governor
    later had no recall of being struck there.

  • Second shot: ca.Z271-272
    Bullet from SN window strikes Connally in armpit,
    traverses right torso, emerges from chest,
    strikes wrist breaking radius. Metal fragments go off
    wrist to maybe damage windshield and cause Tague hit.

  • Third shot: Z312/313
    Head shot to Kennedy.
It's a LN theory that has Oswald firing all three shots from the SN window. He thinks his shot-spacing witness tabulation democratically prove his theory's shot-placement. It doesn't matter that a similar "majority" thought the limousine "stopped" or most of the Parkland observers alluded to a more rearward position of the gaping head wound.