If a bullet didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?

[Jack Nessan]

Arlen actually demonstrated how it could be done - by the bullet passing just above JFK's right shoulder.

That wasn't the correct alignment of the JBC and JFK.  JBC was slightly inboard of JFK. Specter proved the only way to place a wound in JBC's back was by the bullet passing through JFK first.

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[Jack Nessan]

You mean Arlen was standing next to the assassin with a movie camera and saw there was no possibility of JC being struck by a bullet 6.5 mm in diameter because JFK was in the way?

Who has shown that any bullet had transited JFK?

You posted image wasnt a reflection of when the shots were being fired Jack.

At least you understand the alignment of the two men shows the bullet needed to pass through JFK first. The only way to explain JBC's back wound was with a bullet passing through JFK and Specter proved that. If you have a photo that shows a different alignment post it. All the ones I have seen show that exact alignment.

[Andrew Mason]

Yep and one of Oswald's bullets was unaccounted for, 3 shots 3 hits is perfectly plausible but we do have to consider Connally's back wound which was linear in shape indicating a tumbling bullet, how does a bullet start tumbling?

Actually, it was described by Dr. Shaw as an elliptical wound. He did not describe a wound that was inconsistent with a pristine bullet striking at an angle.

[Andrew Mason]

What can't be disputed is that both men are reacting simultaneously, you can give excuses like Connally heard a sound but viewing the footage makes claims like that pure nonsense.

In the first frames as they emerge from behind the sign all seems well.



Connally's jacket billows.

The jacket appears to move. That is all you can say. His right arm and hand and hat is also moving. Maybe there was a connection.

Both men violently react, Connally's right wrist the one that was hit and Kennedy both show a similar reaction to something traumatic.

Right. That is consistent with a bullet striking JFK from and JBC reacting to hearing what he recognized as a rifle shot because he wanted to turn around to see how JFK was (which he then proceeds to do).

And in full motion the simultaneous reaction is clear as day and only dishonest people would deny they are moving at the same time.

They are reacting at the same time, although if his clenched hand positions are part of his reaction it seems that JFK's reaction had already begun prior to z224.  If so, their reactions did not begin simultaneously. The evidence of JBC and Nellie was that JFK and JBC did react at the same time that way - to the first shot.

[Jerry Organ]

Take one of Dillard's Love Field photos and reposition Kennedy so his right torso is over tight against the limousine interior, as was his position in Dealey Plaza. In the original Love Field photo, Kennedy was leaning towards the car's mid-line and wasn't sitting upright.

[Howard Gee]

I am challenging that CE 399 went through JFK.

I believe I have answered the OP - whatever hit JC missed JFK by going just over his right shoulder.

How do you expect anyone to work out what bullet hit who and when, when not even the WC was able to?

So go ahead and try and connect CE 399 to JFK or to JC.

How do u account for the damage to the Limo, bullets hitting the pavement and the strike to Tague?

"I am challenging that CE 399 went through JFK.

I believe I have answered the OP - whatever hit JC missed JFK by going just over his right shoulder."
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Actually what you seem to believe is that 399 didn't hit either man and that it was planted. 

First, let's deal with your theory that a bullet narrowly missed JFK's shoulder and hit JBC.

What do you propose happened to the bullet that hit JBC ? 

What do you propose happened to the bullet that actually hit JFK in the back ?

Since no bullet was found in JFK's body, we must assume it exited somewhere.

And if it didn't exit from his throat, then what caused the throat wound ?

We can rule out a throat entrance wound because there's no corresponding exit wound and no bullet was found in JFK's neck. So what happened to the bullet(s) that caused JFK's back/ throat wounds ?

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The ConspiraClowns are reduced to postulating the absurd 'CE399 was planted' poppycock - but that STILL wouldn't explain the missing bullet(s) in their alternative reconstruction of the shooting sequence and the wounds to both men.
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As for the damage to the limo, I say caused by fragments from the head shot. What's your alternative explanation ?

Bullets hitting the pavement ?  Where is your evidence for bullets (plural) hitting pavement ? You're going to have to do better than Groden's comical 2 foot long gouge in concrete adjacent to a manhole cover as being caused by a bullet strike or someone supposedly picking up a bullet from GRASS.

I think it's quite possible, in fact likely, a bullet did hit pavement right near the limo. I lean to the 'pavement bullet', or a fragment thereof, going on to chip the curb near Tague resulting in his facial abrasion, but it's also possible the chipped curb was a result of a fragment from the head shot.

Feel free to explain what YOU think caused the limo damage and Tague's wounds, and then take a crack at explaining where the missing bullet(s) went in whatever proposed alternative to the Single Bullet Fact YOU can come up with.

COMMON SENSE - SINGLE BULLET FACT

[Jerry Organ]

The jacket appears to move. That is all you can say. His right arm and hand and hat is also moving. Maybe there was a connection.

Bullet through Connally ca. Z223		Bullet through Connally ca. Z271
Jacket billowing, right wrist or hat dropped down. Facial reaction/"hat flip" immediately after this animation		Do you see anything so compelling in Mason's proposed area where Connally was struck in torso and wrist?

Right. That is consistent with a bullet striking JFK from and JBC reacting to hearing what he recognized as a rifle shot because he wanted to turn around to see how JFK was (which he then proceeds to do).

Per Mason, Connally (not struck in torso and wrist until after the animation) merely shows concern for JFK. ( And possibly swatting away a fly with his hat )

They are reacting at the same time, although if his clenched hand positions are part of his reaction it seems that JFK's reaction had already begun prior to z224.  If so, their reactions did not begin simultaneously. The evidence of JBC and Nellie was that JFK and JBC did react at the same time that way - to the first shot.

Kennedy's hand-clench in Z224 could be consistent with how his hand would cup over the other during the motorcade.


When Kennedy raises his right arm from the car-rail earlier in the Zapruder film, the hand is clenched-like (Z174). Likewise, lowering the right arm to cup over the other would cause the right hand to be clench-like.


If you find that credible, then the first voluntary reaction, where the hand begins to change in a fist, would be Z225.

[Mitch Todd]

Bullet through Connally ca. Z223		Bullet through Connally ca. Z271
Jacket billowing, right wrist or hat dropped down. Facial reaction/"hat flip" immediately after this animation		Do you see anything so compelling in Mason's proposed area where Connally was struck in torso and wrist?

Per Mason, Connally (not struck in torso and wrist until after the animation) merely shows concern for JFK. ( And possibly swatting away a fly with his hat )

Kennedy's hand-clench in Z224 could be consistent with how his hand would cup over the other during the motorcade.


When Kennedy raises his right arm from the car-rail earlier in the Zapruder film, the hand is clenched-like (Z174). Likewise, lowering the right arm to cup over the other would cause the right hand to be clench-like.


If you find that credible, then the first voluntary reaction, where the hand begins to change in a fist, would be Z225.

I would suggest looking at the position of JFK's left elbow before he disappears behind the sign and comparing to the movement it makes after it reappears. As far as I can tell, it's in the same position at 224 as it was in 196. Then it moves up very abruptly, and very high.