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Offline Allan Fritzke

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Re: If CE399 didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2018, 05:51:07 AM »
As laid out by the WC report, there were only 2 bullets that struck anyone in the car.  The neck shot and the JFK head shot.  The neck shot is very visible on the President (Zapruder Film evidence) and is the only one the WC concedes hits Connally.  That is CE399.   

The WC ignores Clinton Hill testimony and goes with its own findings of a shot from behind and above.    Clearly when you see JFK move back in his seat and raise his arm, there is a frontal volley coming.  Just considering Clinton Hill's words, there is a major flaw in their evidence or he wasn't close enough to report what he saw.  His report on piece of bone found on street, why Mrs. Kennedy decided to get out of car and all, seems to indicate the path of projectiles was traveling from front to back or at the very least from 2 different sources!
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"Mr. SPECTER. You say that it appeared that she was reaching as if something was coming over to the rear portion of the car, back in the area where you were coming to?
Mr. HILL. Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER. Was there anything back there that you observed, that she might have been reaching for?
Mr. HILL. I thought I saw something come off the back, too, but I cannot say that there was. I do know that the next day we found the portion of the President's head.
Mr. SPECTER. Where did you find that portion of the President's head?
Mr. HILL. It was found in the street. It was turned in, I believe, by a medical student or somebody in Dallas."
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"Mr. SPECTER. What did you observe as to President Kennedy's condition on arrival at the hospital?
Mr. HILL. The right rear portion of his head was missing. It was lying in the rear seat of the car. His brain was exposed. There was blood and bits of brain all over the entire rear portion of the car. Mrs. Kennedy was completely covered with blood. There was so much blood you could not tell if there had been any other wound or not, except for the one large gaping wound in the right rear portion of the head."
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Re: If CE399 didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
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Offline John Mytton

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Re: If CE399 didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2018, 05:57:23 AM »
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You don't have any answers either, just another pointless and speculative thread on highly speculative and contencious "evidence" that can never be proved one way or another.

All the WC really cared about was that all shots were fired from the SE corner of the 6th floor by LHO. The WC wasn't worried about the firing sequence and what bullet hit what and when.

Go and prove CE 399 went through anyone in the Presidential limousine.

This isn't difficult Tony, how could Connally be shot from behind without CE399 first passing through Kennedy?

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Re: If CE399 didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2018, 06:19:28 AM »
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Your OP is misleading and loaded - before you start talking about JC and his wounds, you need to prove that CE 399 hit anyone in the Presidential limousine. How are you going to do that considering it was not known which gurney the bullet was found on. Was there any human DNA present on CE 399 that could be specifically associated with anyone?

Time-traveler Tony. There were no DNA tests in 1963.

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Re: If CE399 didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2018, 06:24:05 AM »
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John, 

That is the million dollar question and how this bullet became magic.  If you look at the argument laid out in the article below, this bullet appeared to be PRISTINE!
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"Pristine" Bullet. Commission Exhibit 399, the bullet found on the stretcher, is virtually undamaged and had no blood or tissue on it. Its appearance is consistent with having been fired through the rifle into water or cotton, recovered, and then planted. Also, there is a serious question as to whether the minimal amount of lead missing from the base of CE-399 can account for the fragments left behind in JFK and Connally.

The bullet is NOT pristine. It is damaged although this is only very noticeable when the base (short axis) is viewed rather than the side (long axis).

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Re: If CE399 didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
« Reply #14 on: September 21, 2018, 06:40:53 AM »
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This isn't difficult Tony, how could Connally be shot from behind without CE399 first passing through Kennedy?
Even if it wasn't CE399, a bullet passing through JFK from the entry in the back through to the throat wound is going to hit something in the limousine. The only hole that fits is the one next to John Connally's scapula. It's worth remembering that CE399 and the SBT are independent of each other.

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Re: If CE399 didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
« Reply #15 on: September 21, 2018, 06:46:14 AM »
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How do you know CE 399 went through JC and that it struck JFK first?

This is what happens when no one challenges the conclusions of the WC.

"Although Tomlinson was not certain whether the bullet came from the Connally stretcher or the adjacent one, the Commission has concluded that the bullet came from the Governor's stretcher."

Tony, why are you so afraid to confront the evidence?

Connally was hit from behind but Kennedy was in the way, how was Connally shot?

Btw I've altered the OP so you can't keep squirming out of giving an answer.

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Re: If CE399 didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
« Reply #16 on: September 21, 2018, 07:46:45 AM »
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Was JFK "in the way" of the bullet that hit JC if the bullet came from another location from above and behind?


Yes that's the question and since we know the path through Connally and the relative positions of both men, how could Connally's back bullet possibly have missed Kennedy?

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Re: If a bullet didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2018, 07:54:17 AM »
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How do you know the origin of the bullet that hit JC?

Tony, stay on target.

How was Connally struck when Kennedy was in the way?

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Re: If CE399 didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
« Reply #18 on: September 21, 2018, 08:07:25 AM »
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How do you know the origin of the bullet that hit JC?

It's a very basic question, Tony. Connally got hit, so:

(a) - did he get hit from his front and the bullet travelled on an upward trajectory exiting through his back?
(b) - did he get hit from behind and the bullet travelled on a downward trajectory exiting through his front?

If (a) is correct was the shooter crouched down under the floor mats

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If (b) is correct how did the bullet hit Connally yet miss the POTUS altogether?

Basically, where was the shooter?

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Re: If a bullet didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
« Reply #19 on: September 21, 2018, 08:21:26 AM »
Thanks Steve.

Also of interest are these pictures, is there a clear path through Connally which doesn't hit Kennedy?











Dale Myers animation based on the Zapruder film, a bunch of technical data and photos of the Limo through Dallas was a very accurate simulation and shows that any bullet that passed through Connally had to get past Kennedy.


DVP blog site.

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Re: If a bullet didn't go through JFK, then exactly how did Connally get hit?
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