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Offline Stuart Hill

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« Reply #756 on: March 17, 2017, 07:59:30 PM »
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seeing a Carcano-shaped gun.

Brennan DESCRIBED the rifle .....He described a HUNTING rifle...not a military rifle...

Brennan  wrote:..."He was taking aim with a high powered rifle ( aka  hunting rifle)  I could see ALL OF THE BARREL of the gun.  (Para mine)

The carcano has only a few inches of barrel visible..... 

And Brennan saw all of it.

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Re: Powell vs Dillard
« Reply #757 on: March 17, 2017, 08:07:44 PM »
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Either a shooter firing from the sniper's nest window has caused the shells to eject where Studebaker later sees them and photographs them, or they have been placed there by a conspirator.

False dichotomy.  There are other possibilities.  For example, Tom Alyea reported seeing Fritz picking up the shells before any Studebaker photos were taken.

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Why you seem to think the latter is a reasonable explanation (I assume you do / do you?) with the evidence of Brennan / Jackson, the wound trajectories, Connally's wrist wound, witnesses saying they heard three shots, and the discovered shells is hard to understand. Please post evidence that cancels out this evidence so I can see an alternate believable scenario. I argue using the evidence. You offer opinion in spite of it.

No, you are offering your own opinion ("empty Carcano shells fell into the "sniper's nest"  floor area") and basing your opinion on your spin on the evidence.  I never claimed the shells were planted.  I don't have to cancel out your opinion or prove you wrong.  I'm just showing that your conclusion is speculation, not fact.

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So: how could a conspirator match the "Lost Bullet" shell ejections, the rifle angles of which were matched to Zapruder film frames of the woundings.

Again:  how do you know what frames the woundings occurred?  How did the "Lost Bullet" people?

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Only when the angle-frame match is made will the shells fall as they do in the recreation.   And the recreation results are a very good match to the Studebaker photo.

That's a pretty bold claim.  We're talking about only a few square feet of floor space.  Define "very good match".  Exactly how far away can the test shell be and still be considered a "hit"?  This experiment is one giant pile of confirmation bias.

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The shells have fallen in a way consistent with the scenario of:

As I already mentioned, "consistent with" just means not impossible.  It's not an indication that it actually happened that way.

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Clearly the assassin is finding it tricky to kill JFK- the film shows this.  The shell evidence shows it takes 3 shots.

No, the shell evidence just shows that there were 3 shells there.

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Re: Powell vs Dillard
« Reply #758 on: March 17, 2017, 08:34:28 PM »
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IMO he's probably looking at the same windows the men in CC3 were and the reason that the two cops on the corner there haven't reacted to a sighting of a gunman in an upper window is because no one has claimed that, yet. Brennan saw men in the street pointing up there and a cop run inside, he has yet to figure out why. The men on the fifth would be his main focus because by the time he first looked up that's all that was there to see.
Traffic duty was more important than helping a fellow officer capture a gunman, that's what that photograph must tell you if you believe Brennan.

Nicely presented though Stuart.

"Nicely presented though Stuart."

Thanks Barry.
Do you know when the photo I posted was taken that day? The man in the hard hat in the far right foreground looks like the hard hat man casually walking past the doorway in this clip here:

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Start it at about 1min 39 - I think that is one of the 5th floor workers going back into the building (three year old memory on this I'm afraid). then you see the Hard Hat man appear from far left. That should help time the photo perhaps.

(can you help, I can't work out how to post video - do you use the flash button?)
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Re: Powell vs Dillard
« Reply #759 on: March 17, 2017, 10:42:25 PM »
just change "https" to "http"

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Re: Powell vs Dillard
« Reply #760 on: March 17, 2017, 10:49:52 PM »
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just change "https" to "http"

Thanks, John.  :thumbs1xx:

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Re: Powell vs Dillard
« Reply #761 on: March 17, 2017, 10:56:51 PM »
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False dichotomy.  There are other possibilities.  For example, Tom Alyea reported seeing Fritz picking up the shells before any Studebaker photos were taken.

No, you are offering your own opinion ("empty Carcano shells fell into the "sniper's nest"  floor area") and basing your opinion on your spin on the evidence.  I never claimed the shells were planted.  I don't have to cancel out your opinion or prove you wrong.  I'm just showing that your conclusion is speculation, not fact.

Again:  how do you know what frames the woundings occurred?  How did the "Lost Bullet" people?

That's a pretty bold claim.  We're talking about only a few square feet of floor space.  Define "very good match".  Exactly how far away can the test shell be and still be considered a "hit"?  This experiment is one giant pile of confirmation bias.

As I already mentioned, "consistent with" just means not impossible.  It's not an indication that it actually happened that way.

No, the shell evidence just shows that there were 3 shells there.


Deputy Mooney finds the shells before Fritz stupidly moves them. He says this, to the WC, about the accuracy of Studebaker's photo:

Mr. MOONEY - Yes, sir; he was the first officer that picked them up, as far as I know, because I stood there and watched him go over and pick them up and look at them. As far as I could tell, I couldn't even tell what caliber they were, because I didn't get down that close to them. They were brass cartridges, brass shells.
Mr. BALL - Is this the position of the cartridges as shown on 510, as you saw them?
Mr. MOONEY - Yes, sir. That is just about the way they were laying, to the best of my knowledge. I do know there was--one was further away, and these other two were relatively close together--on this particular area. But these cartridges--this one and this one looks like they are further apart than they actually was.
Mr. BALL - Which ones?
Mr. MOONEY - This one and this one.
Mr. BALL - Now, two cartridges were close together, is that right?
Mr. MOONEY - The one cartridge here, by the wall facing, is right. And this one and this one, they were further away from this one.
Mr. BALL - Well--
Mr. MOONEY - But as to being positive of the exact distance
Mr. BALL - You think that the cartridges are in the same position as when you saw them in this picture 510?
Mr. MOONEY - As far as my knowledge, they are; pretty close to right.

"The Lost Bullet" recreation produces strikingly similar results. The bullets will never fall into the same positions in exact terms, yet they do fall into two distinct areas, and the results are a good match for Mooney's description and Studebaker's photo.

This statement in your text jumps out at me: "This experiment is one giant pile of confirmation bias."  Well, if you resist the explanation of the shells falling from a Carcano then, yes it is absolutely conformation bias - but by a conspirator who is is confirming a scenario before that scenario has even been proventested, a scenario that is matched by Zapruder frames yet to be processed.

Can you explain how a conspirator can place empty shells into place that confirm the official scenario based on Zapruder frames that have yet to be exposed? And shot angles that have yet to be tested? Mooney's testimony chimes with the shot angles for the Zapruer frames. Even if the "Lost Bullet" programme is wrong about the second bullet angle (a few frames around the time the car is at the sign area on Elm St), the results will be similar to Mooney's recollection, as the crouching sniper is now aiming at a receeding car. The shells will fall into the area close to the shooter.

You only have two choices:

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Conspirator plants bullets in a formation that, amazingly, are a good match for the "Lost Bullet" recreation that uses Zapruder film as it's guide - which is this scenario:
     far flung bullet = miss shot from sniper standing up
     shot occuring around the time the car is at the sign
     head shot
with the bullet shells falling in a way that suggests the shooter initially aimed at the car when it was close to him, then crouched, and was then aiming at a receeding car.

No supporting evidence for this conspiracy scenario.

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Shells fell from rifle fired from 6th floow window at the motorcade, at 12.30.

Option 2 has the following supporting evidence to back it up:

Three loud reports ring out - many identify them as rifle shots. That would suggest the possibility that three shells might well be found after the attack.
Connally's wounds suggest there is a rear shooter aiming down onto the car
Brennan sees a man wielding what he takes to be a high power rifle from: sixth floor now infamous window. Aiming down at the motorcade.
Brennan thinks the shooter is standing but admits in WC testimony that he thought the workers were also standing - meaning he saw the shooter crouching in all likelihood.
Jackson sees what he takes to be a rifle being drawn into the same window that Brennan saw the shooter: (his colleagues recall him saying he saw this)
An expert-led laser experiment in Dealey Plaza narrows the shooter's likely position to either the 6th floor snipers nest window or the DalTex 2nd floor window.
Mooney finds three spent Carcano hulls on the floor of the 6th floor far east window where Brennan saw a gunman and Jackson saw a rifle.
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Re: Powell vs Dillard
« Reply #762 on: March 17, 2017, 11:00:46 PM »
Ive removed the word "proven" and replaced with "tested" in above post.