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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Conspiracy of the Three Stooges
« Reply #50 on: September 14, 2018, 10:31:24 PM »
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What's reasonable about you again implying without a shred of evidence that yet more evidence was illegally planted?

Says the guy without a shred of evidence that C2766 was fired that day.

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #51 on: September 14, 2018, 10:32:35 PM »
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What's reasonable about you again implying without a shred of evidence that yet more evidence was illegally planted?

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Other than in your paranoid mind, how am I implying any such thing?

Do you disagree, John, that evidence has to be authenticated and without provenance issue before it can be considered valid?

Or are you just trying to shift the burden of proof again?

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No, analysing the evidence and drawing a reasonable conclusion will never be just a "wild-ass" guess.
We have two large fragments found in the Limo and we have the results of two objects impacting the interior of the Limo, do the math!

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Except for the fact that you can not demonstrate with any kind of certainty that the two fragments were indeed found in the limo, you might have a point.

As it stands, your conclusion is anything but reasonable and indeed just a wild guess.

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We have an experts opinion on one hand and on the other you have,....nothing.

Try again!

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We have an experts opinion on one hand

Yeah right.....

Mr. EISENBERG - But in your opinion the marks on the left are the same as the marks on the right?
Mr. FRAZIER - The marks on the left are the same marks as those on the right. In the examination this is easily determined by rotating the two bullets. As you rotate them, you can see these characteristic patterns line up.
Then you will notice these do not line up. But as you rotate one bullet, you can follow the individual marks mentally and see that the same pattern is present and you can line them up in your mind , even though they are not actually physically lined up in the microscope.
Mr. McCLOY - They are not lined up in the microscope because there is mutilation on the fragment?
Mr. EISENBERG - Yes, sir.

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Offline John Mytton

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Re: Conspiracy of the Three Stooges
« Reply #52 on: September 14, 2018, 10:45:21 PM »
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We have an experts opinion on one hand

Yeah right.....

Mr. EISENBERG - But in your opinion the marks on the left are the same as the marks on the right?
Mr. FRAZIER - The marks on the left are the same marks as those on the right. In the examination this is easily determined by rotating the two bullets. As you rotate them, you can see these characteristic patterns line up.
Then you will notice these do not line up. But as you rotate one bullet, you can follow the individual marks mentally and see that the same pattern is present and you can line them up in your mind , even though they are not actually physically lined up in the microscope.
Mr. McCLOY - They are not lined up in the microscope because there is mutilation on the fragment?
Mr. EISENBERG - Yes, sir.

This is why nobody wants to debate you Martin, you have evidence presented that for obvious reasons cannot be photographed and your reply is "Yeah right", you aren't after the truth, you just want to believe in some massive conspiracy that somehow in your mind isn't that massive, go figure.

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Re: Conspiracy of the Three Stooges
« Reply #53 on: September 14, 2018, 10:48:46 PM »
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Says the guy without a shred of evidence that C2766 was fired that day.

Huh? Are you joking, the recovered fragments in Kennedy's Limo exclusively matched Oswald's rifle.

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Re: Conspiracy of the Three Stooges
« Reply #54 on: September 14, 2018, 10:59:30 PM »
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Huh? Are you joking, the recovered fragments in Kennedy's Limo exclusively matched Oswald's rifle.

"Oswald's rifle".  LOL.


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Except for the fact that you can not demonstrate with any kind of certainty that the two fragments were indeed found in the limo, you might have a point.

Not to mention, it's not like those fragments were timestamped by the rifle they came out of...

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« Reply #55 on: September 14, 2018, 11:00:44 PM »
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This is why nobody wants to debate you Martin,

You never want to debate those who expose your logical fallacies.  Understandably so.

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Re: Conspiracy of the Three Stooges
« Reply #56 on: September 14, 2018, 11:30:58 PM »
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How about something like this: BRW is on the 6th floor until, let's say 12:25 or so. He goes to the 5th floor to be with his buddies. Shots ring out 4-5 minutes after BRW gets to the 5th floor. It becomes clear that the shots were from the 6th floor, right where BRW was just at. He gets scared, he was just there, he left his lunch somewhere on the 6th floor (BTW: i don't know who moved the lunch or when). Maybe BRW thinks the cops will arrest him and he'll get executed for a crime he didn't commit and he had nothing to do with. He gets together with his buddies and "hey guys, let's all say this, i didn't do anything but i was just where the shots were fired and the cops might think i did it because i was just there a few minutes ago . . . "

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That's reasonable. Young black dudes in Texas in 63 would be prepared to say whatever it took to avoid a beating or worse.

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Re: Conspiracy of the Three Stooges
« Reply #57 on: September 14, 2018, 11:39:01 PM »
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That's reasonable. Young black dudes in Texas in 63 would be prepared to say whatever it took to avoid a beating or worse.
True, but couldn't they have made - or been forced to make - far more incriminating comments about Oswald then they did? Such as they saw him carry a large package into the building? Expressed hatred of JFK? Et cetera.

Williams said he ate his "chicken on the bone" sandwich right next to the sniper's nest on the sixth floor. Why not force him to say he saw Oswald hanging around the nest?

Lots of examples one can think of where they could have implicated Oswald more directly.



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« Reply #58 on: September 14, 2018, 11:42:09 PM »
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Junior Jarman
From Jarman's Affidavit 11/23/63

At about 11:45 a.m. all of the employees who were working on the 6th floor came downstairs and we were all out on the street at about 12:00 o'clock noon. These employees were: Bill Shelley, Charles Givens, Billy Lovelady, Bonnie Ray (last name not known) and a Spanish boy (his name I cannot remember).

FBI interview 11/24/63

No mention of the ascent to the 5th floor just that Williams and Norman were with him at the time of the motorcade.

SS interview 12/2/63

"After eating lunch Jarman went with Williams and Norman to the fifth floor to watch the President pass by."

FBI interview 1/14/64
"He said that he and the other two boys (Norman and Williams) ate lunch on the first floor around 12 noon on November 22, 1963, and shortly afterwards went to the fifth floor about 12.25pm, on the west elevator in the building in order to watch the Presidential parade.

Harold Norman
FBI interview 11/26/63

As with Jarman's initial statement there was no mention of Williams joining he and Jarman just before the shooting, just that the three were watching the motorcade "about noon" from the fifth floor.

SS interview and Affidavit 12/4/63

"About 12:15 P.M. on this same date, after I had eaten my lunch, I went to the fifth floor of the building to watch the parade of the President pass the building. Bonnie Ray Williams and James Jarman, who also worked at this building went with me."

FBI interview 3/18/64

He simply states he was with Jarman and Williams on the 5th floor at 12.10 or 12.20 and it appear that he felt the shots occurred at this time.

Williams also changed his version of events on multiple occasions. When did these three conspire to deceive the authorities regarding Williams' true movements prior to the shooting?

Well done Colin. You put forward an idea which seems to have teased out some agreement between opposing sides here. That certainly deserves congratulations.
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Re: Conspiracy of the Three Stooges
« Reply #59 on: September 14, 2018, 11:50:57 PM »
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"Oswald's rifle".  LOL.


Not to mention, it's not like those fragments were timestamped by the rifle they came out of...

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"Oswald's rifle".  LOL.

YAWN!

Oswald ordered the rifle.
Oswald was photographed with the rifle.
Oswald's rifle was found at Oswald's work.
Oswald's rifle had fibers which matched Oswald's arrest shirt.
Oswald's prints were found on the rifle.
Oswald lied about living at Neely street, the location of the backyard photos.
Oswald lied about putting his package on the back seat of Frazier's car.
Oswald lied about the contents of the package.

And your best reply is "LOL"? No wonder your side is losing badly.

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