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Re: Erasing the past to protect a fairytale
« Reply #1162 on: March 16, 2017, 09:14:28 AM »
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Walt, I, too, have seen those close-ups of the old lady. But I think these photos crop up in discussions solely to discredit Beverly. While I am nowhere near believing all of Beverly's story, I would doubt that every woman in Dealey Plaza with a babushka is the one we are trying to identify behind Charles Brehm.

In any case, I found a set of 25 alleged pictures of her, and none of them definitively show her face. That's incredible. But when there are glimpses of her, we see a poofy black set of bangs. Good work by Richard Douglas. See this thread! You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

So don't believe everything you see about "Babs." The two identities in photos 24 and 25 can be definitely ruled out. We appear to be down to figuring out if young Babs had a black wig like that.

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Maybe there's this one pic where you may see a nose and forehead:

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Re: Erasing the past to protect a fairytale
« Reply #1163 on: March 16, 2017, 09:22:47 AM »
295     A study of Babushka's feet





Was Beverly Oliver Too Thin to be the Babushka Lady?

A nagging question is the issue of weight. The
"Babushka Lady" is termed "stocky" by Posner.

Others have questioned whether the "Babushka
Lady" could possibly be the youthful Miss Oliver.

Pictures of the "Babushka Lady" in Oliver's book do
indeed appear to be someone heavier than pictures of
Beverly shown on page 177 (taken in 1963, probably a
publicity photo) page 178 (taken at Six Flags, supposedly
in 1963, but probably in 1962) and at her wedding in
1966.

Two other pictures from 1963 (p. 178, with Larry Ronco
and one taken in October by Ruby, p.177) would indicate
a person whose weight could fluctuate rather rapidly.

Not including the Six Flags picture (probably from 1962),
the three 1963 pictures show Oliver carrying more weight
than earlier or later.

Oliver says that she obtained a picture of the "Babushka
Lady" and had blow-ups done of the feet; Oliver has a
particular deformation involving the placement and
small size of her little toe.

Perhaps Miss Oliver can be persuaded to share these pictures
with the research
community.

 

(John Delane Williams, NIGHTMARE IN DALLAS: A REVIEW)

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Re: Erasing the past to protect a fairytale
« Reply #1164 on: March 16, 2017, 11:30:07 AM »
296     Beverly's Babushka camera





Is it possible that Beverly Oliver was the Babushka Lady, that she wore a black wig masking her own
light blond hair and that she carried an ultra modern color-movie camera that could easily be mistaken for
an old fashioned Tower 120 Box camera?


There is no trace of the camera she claimed to have used to film the motorcade.

"I never said that I used a Super Eight camera. That came from a man named Gary Shaw in a book that he wrote
called The Cover-Up. I might have said to him, and this was 1970, Super Eight meaning eight millimeter. All I know
is that it was a prototype camera that a man I was dating who worked for Eastman Kodak, by the name of
Lawrence Taylor Ronco, Jr., gave me as a present the September before the President was killed in November, a
brand new camera, a magazine load, and I had to send these little envelopes to Rochester to be developed. That's
all I know about the camera, and it was a Yashika. When this came out about the camera, I called Yashika in New
York and spoke to John Storch. I don't know what his position was. He was very excited to do research on the camera.

Posner is right; that camera was not available to the general public in 1963, but it does not mean that I could not have
had a prototype camera of it. I'm not saying it was Super Eight. I don't know what it was. He also made a statement,
and I have it in writing, in talking to his supervisors and people of that time, that they felt like probably if I had used the
word Super Eight in that interview, it's like people going today to get something Xeroxed. After they came out, they just
became the nomenclature for any kind of an eight millimeter camera."

(Beverly Oliver "The Babushka Lady" Interview, Gary James, Mobile Alabama Harbinger, 1998)




Larry Ronco and Beverly Oliver


The relationship with Larry Ronco was short-lived;
Ronco changed after the assassination; his pursuit of
Oliver became so over-bearing that she obtained a
restaining order. Later, she heard that Ronco committed
su´cide.

(John Delane Williams, NIGHTMARE IN DALLAS: A REVIEW)
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Re: Erasing the past to protect a fairytale
« Reply #1165 on: March 16, 2017, 02:49:47 PM »
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Do you have a link for that post?

It was posted just a few days ago .....I'll see if I can find it.

Page 144 of this thread.......    It was published in Gary Shaws book ...Cover Up

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Re: Erasing the past to protect a fairytale
« Reply #1166 on: March 16, 2017, 04:20:49 PM »
Ah Yes, I agree with Richard Douglas and others that that is not the Bandana Person.

Douglas suggests someone else (red square) in the same Murray photograph:


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Re: Erasing the past to protect a fairytale
« Reply #1167 on: March 16, 2017, 05:27:01 PM »
Yeah, I don't think that's Babushka Lady.  Her coat and scarf are too dark.
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Re: Erasing the past to protect a fairytale
« Reply #1168 on: March 16, 2017, 05:56:24 PM »
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Yeah, I don't think that's Babushka Lady.  Her coat and scarf are too dark.

I agree. The photo of the lady in profile looking to the right does not have the correct poofy bangs of the Babushka Lady. And according to the location analysis in the thread I posted, the BL was in a different location right then, closer to high school jacket girl.

So neither the location nor the poofy hair are consistent with the BL that was tracked.

In any case, (1) the lady on the wrong side of Houston street with round sunglasses, (2) the old lady crossing the street, and (3) the flat hair/profile to the right lady are all shown to be incorrect identities of the BL.