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Author Topic: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of a patsy begins?  (Read 5918 times)

Offline Michael O'Brian

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #40 on: February 02, 2018, 05:22:50 PM »
Read the article, Dan.  It does not quote Marina saying that the last time she saw Lee was the previous week.  Read the article before you reference it.

Bill read this testimony of Oswalds Mother the article might have been translated from Marina, by an old lady whom you met https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh1/html/WC_Vol1_0078b.htm 
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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #41 on: February 02, 2018, 05:23:54 PM »
Good point.  Both Marina and Frazier have freely expressed doubts about Oswald's guilt.  But we must believe they are still too scared to set the record straight by confirming that Oswald didn't go to Irving on Thursday.  LOL I thought I had heard it all by now from CTers but that one is a real whopper.  Conspiracy theory in this case is, at its core, a child-like faith that anyone who provides evidence of Oswald's guilt is suspect and a liar.  Even if these same people are relied upon in other instances to support his innocence.  Like Frazier and his two-foot long bag.  Imagine the plan behind that one in this context.  They get Frazier to lie about Oswald going to Irving and carrying a long bag to frame Oswald but then he won't confirm that the bag (which would not have existed at all if Oswald didn't actually make that trip) was long enough to carry the rifle.  The entire intent of this fabrication.  That is fall on the ground laughing material.

Both Marina and Frazier have freely expressed doubts about Oswald's guilt.  But we must believe they are still too scared to set the record straight ... 

Scared??.....  Maybe.... But also reluctant to upset their lives. IOW   They may be content to leave the sleeping dog lie.

They both recognize that they are mere "piss ants" ( as LBJ called us)   What's to be gained by "rocking the boat"?


Online Dan DAlimonte

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #42 on: February 02, 2018, 09:43:38 PM »
Bill read this testimony of Oswalds Mother the article might have been translated from Marina, by an old lady whom you met https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh1/html/WC_Vol1_0078b.htm

Hey, Mick.  It does seem Mrs Paine did set up the Life interview but while giving Lee compliments
on whether or not he was a good family man she states ...  A normal family man.  He plays with his
children. Last night he fed June.  He watches television and just normal family things.  - Top of page
145. 
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Offline Michael O'Brian

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #43 on: February 02, 2018, 10:07:27 PM »
Hey, Mick.  It does seem Mrs Paine did set up the Life interview but while giving Lee compiments
on whether or not he was a good family man she states ...  A normal family man.  He plays with his
children. Last night he fed June.  He watches television and just normal family things.  - Top of page
145. 

Incidentally on Page 149 Lee's mother states as she was waiting in the courthouse to see her son   
someone came up to her and said your visit will be delayed but we have picked up another suspect.
Anyone know who the suspect was?  Molina?  This would be Saturday the day after.

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh1/html/WC_Vol1_0081a.htm

Yes I read that Dan, we have a lot of conflicting sections between the article and the testimony, it would seem that she not only organised the life interview but on the first day 22.11 she dictated and jumbled up some of Marinas words from Russian to English to the reporters, I note your topic where she said he fed his Daughter last night, according to Margurites testimony, but in the article as you know it does not imply that he was in Irving on 21.11. I would suggest that this section came from the Russian translator directly dictated to her by Marina on the 23.11, confusing stuff no doubt, such a pity this interpreter was no reachable for testimony
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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #44 on: February 07, 2018, 09:47:41 PM »
This beaut would slot nicely with Fratini's paper bag theory.

There's more evidence for Fratini's paper bag theory than there is for the Warren Commission's paper bag theory.

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2018, 09:50:04 PM »
Conspiracy theory in this case is, at its core, a child-like faith that anyone who provides evidence of Oswald's guilt is suspect and a liar.

That would require somebody actually providing evidence of Oswald's guilt.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of him begins?
« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2018, 10:36:32 PM »
That would require somebody actually providing evidence of Oswald's guilt.

That would require somebody actually providing evidence of Oswald's guilt.

Therein lies the problem.....  Hoover's Mafia DID provide some "proof"   ......

Example:   The FBI told us that the Mannlicher Carcano was the murder weapon....  and very few challenge that statement.  ( who could?  and how could they challenge ?)

So we are forced to use Hoover's assertion, and much of the case is based on the "fact" that the mannlicher carcano was the murder weapon.....   


Offline John Anderson

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Re: So when does Oswald's own actions end and the framing of a patsy begins?
« Reply #47 on: February 08, 2018, 01:05:38 AM »
There's a difference between proof and evidence.

 

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