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Online Paul May

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The different perspectives
« on: September 09, 2018, 05:49:57 PM »
Over the many years since the event, so many people, directly and indirectly have been somehow involved.  When I read the contributions today from the conspiracy community they are no different than 10, 20, 30 even 40 years ago. So I ask, how many CTs have actually spoken directly or indirectly with those still alive who had a role in some way? What research are you doing besides reading conspiracy material?  Im prideful of the fact that although an LN, Ive spoken live or through correspondence with the following people, some who actually became friends:

Robert Blakey
Robert Oswald
Marina Oswald
Judyth Baker
David Lifton
Bill Paxton
Abraham Bolden
Clint Hill

And numerous other people.

I had asked Mr. Bolden about his relationship with Clint Hill, who many CTs surmise was in on it. He responded with this:

Paul:  My take on Clint Hill when I knew him on the WH Detail was that he was a very dedicated agent. Clint was one of the agents that I most admired because he did not display some of the weaknesses that other agents displayed. He was a sharp dresser, a diiligent agent, and one that I knew would react in the fashion like he did in Dallas.  There were several agents on the detail with whom I would entrust my life.  Clint Hill was one of those agents.  I was not the least surprised that he responded as he did in Dallas.  We did not communicate much, but when we did, he was polite and courteous and treated me with respect.  I f I were to rank agents on the detail from 1 to 10, Hill would be a 10...not becuse he did his job in Dallas, but because he impressed me as a man that would carry out his responsibilities whatever they may be.  I understand that he has said some uncomplimentary things about me on his book tour; but that doesn't change my opinion of him as an agent.  He did his best and someday I wish to meet him and let him know how i feel about him and what he went through.  May God Bless Clint, his family and May God Bless America.  Abraham

Robert Blakey, counsel to the HSCA told me I was being naive in believing I know how the mob thinks. He told me bluntly the mob doesnt think as normal people do.  While Blakey and I disagreed on much about the case, he actually invited me to Notre Dame where he was then a Professor Emeritus, to view artifacts he had saved.

My entire point is:  no researcher who is actually a researcher can rely on any one book or piece of literature.  Believe it or not, there are few ambiguities in the case any longer.  Oswald, on his own shot JFK.  Can a conspiracy be ruled out?  Absolutely not.  Yet, one cannot be proven, nor will it ever be proven.

So where do you go from here?

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The different perspectives
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Online Jon Banks

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Re: The different perspectives
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2018, 06:25:42 PM »
I mostly agree with you.

I just don't believe we know everything about How and Why JFK was killed.

I think there are mostly good people on all sides of this event. Including Marina Oswald who I suspect was more interested in protecting herself and her children than being completely Truthful. And in my opinion there are plenty of examples throughout the JFK investigation of people who were more interested in Covering their own Butts than finding the Truth.

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Re: The different perspectives
« Reply #2 on: September 09, 2018, 06:35:49 PM »
Good posting.  Agree totally.  Government work is often cya.

Online Paul May

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Re: The different perspectives
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2018, 04:58:47 PM »
The absolute lack of responses to this thread from the conspiracy side is exactly what I expected.  Exactly.  This is why, and rightfully so the conspiracy community is derided.  How many conspiracy books does the average CT read?  I'd guess just one. "Sounds good to me" and they begin posting on forum/blogs.  Sad.

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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2018, 09:30:03 PM »
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My entire point is:  no researcher who is actually a researcher can rely on any one book or piece of literature.

I agree with you there.  That applies equally well to people whose form of "research" is to ape the Warren Commission conclusions, as well as your imagined CTs who just read one CT book.

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  Believe it or not, there are few ambiguities in the case any longer.  Oswald, on his own shot JFK.

If you think it's settled, why would you bother to talk to any of the principals about the case at all?  Certainly not to research anything.

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Offline Tom Scully

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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2018, 03:52:16 AM »
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Over the many years since the event, so many people, directly and indirectly have been somehow involved.  When I read the contributions today from the conspiracy community they are no different than 10, 20, 30 even 40 years ago. So I ask, how many CTs have actually spoken directly or indirectly with those still alive who had a role in some way? What research are you doing besides reading conspiracy material?  Im prideful of the fact that although an LN, Ive spoken live or through correspondence with the following people, some who actually became friends:
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I am not buying what you are selling because in the following example, author Mellen's and Garrison autobiography editor and Stone's co-writer of the JFK screenplay, Zachary Sklar's proximity and access to Jim Garrison seems to have had the
effect of keeping Mellen and Sklar clueless to what even Shaw was aware of about Garrison.

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One example...:
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Unredacted Episode 1: Transcript of Interview with Joan Mellen
Joan Mellen is the author of A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFKs Assassination, and the Case That Should Have Changed History. This interview was conducted on 22 Feb 2006. Tyler Weaver provided the introduction, and the interview was conducted by Rex Bradford.
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REX: I I think

JOAN: when Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people.

Mellen claimed she interviewed 1200 people, many from New Orleans, in the process of assembling her book on
Jim Garrison and his investigation, and yet, she was emphatic in her rather narrow conclusions I quoted above.



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Meet Joan Mellen, a prolific provocateur of American history - JFK Facts
jfkfacts.org/provocative-prolific-joan-mellen/
Apr 12, 2016 - She first met Jim Garrison just months after the Clay Shaw trial in 1969 and described interviewing more than 1200 people before publishing ...

My Investigation of the Garrison Investigation, New Orleans, Louisiana ...
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Oct 20, 2015 - I met Jim Garrison in New Orleans two months after Clay Shaw was acquitted for participating in a conspiracy to murder President Kennedy. It was May 1969. .... I interviewed about 1200 people for A Farewell to Justice.

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This entry prompted my research....Garrison only accused WDSU counsel & 10 percent WDSU owner Stephen Lemann of dispersing CIA funds in NOLA,
and never actually publicly named him.... Lemann was not chief of CIA NOLA office.
Crickets....

Thomas B Lemann is father of Garrison antagonist Nicholas B Lemann and brother of Stephen Lemann. Mildred Lyons Lemann, who summered at the Stern's  NY estate
and worked for them at their Metairie Day School, was stepmother of Thomas and Stephen
Lemann. Her daughter was married to CIA agent David Baldwin who was first cousin and god father of Garrison wife, Lee Ziegler.
Joan Mellen stated Baldwin and
his brother were the CIA people thwarting Garrison. Baldwin told his friend and former boss Clay Shaw that he was related to Garrison's wife in a letter just days
after Shaw's arrest and advised Shaw to protest the legality of his arrest. Garrison, Baldwin, Shaw, and later critic Nicholas B Lemann never disclosed any of the
relationships in this paragraph, rendering CLUELESS, Joan Mellen who claimed she interviewed 1200 people for her Garrison book.
Stone & Sklar were also clueless.  WHY?

Was the Garrison investigation actually "performed" to make such inquiry look ridiculous and unnecessary? After Garrison, official inquiry was delayed until 1975
vs the increasing demands to revisit the flawed WC findings by 1966!

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Re: The different perspectives
« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2018, 10:54:55 AM »
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   What research are you doing besides reading conspiracy material?

Paul: I stopped reading material, conspiracy or otherwise, a while ago. I have read enough.

What research am I doing, you ask? There you go:


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