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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #420 on: February 09, 2018, 02:23:03 AM »
So you are calling him either a liar or incompetent. What evidence do you have for your accusation?

I'm just waiting on you to prove that Secret Service agents were actually at the library.

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« Reply #421 on: February 09, 2018, 02:26:58 AM »
I'm just waiting on you to prove that Secret Service agents were actually at the library.



Don't you know Bill, every public building and every grassy knoll in the city of Dallas and nearby surrounding suburbs were outfitted with SS agents just in case someone randomly ran in so they could verify that whoever it was, definitely was NOT Oswald!!!



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« Reply #422 on: February 09, 2018, 02:27:17 AM »
Nice cherry-picking.

Mr. BALL. I'll show you this jacket which is Commission Exhibit 162---have you ever seen this jacket before?
Mrs. ROBERTS. "Well, maybe I have, but I don't remember it. It seems like the one he put on was darker than that

Mr. BALL. Does it look like, anything like, the jacket the man had on?
Mrs. MARKHAM. It is short, open down the front. but that jacket it is a darker jacket than that, I know it was.
Mr. BALL. You don't think it was as light a jacket as that?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, it was darker than that, I know it was.....

Mr. BELIN - I am handing you a jacket which has been marked as "Commission's Exhibit 163," and ask you to state whether this bears any similarity to the jacket you saw this man with the gun wearing?
Mr. BENAVIDES - I would say this looks just like it.   <--- Note that CE163 was the dark blue jacket found in the Domino room

Mr. BALL. I have a jacket, I would like to show you, which is Commission Exhibit No. 162. Does this look anything like the jacket that the man had on that was going across your lawn?
Mrs. DAVIS. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. How is it different?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, it was dark and to me it looked like it was maybe a wool fabric, it looked sort of rough. Like more of a sporting jacket.

Mr. BALL. I have a jacket here Commission's Exhibit No. 162. Does this look anything like the jacket that the man had on that you saw across the street with a gun?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes; it sure does. Yes, that is the same type jacket. Actually, I thought it had a little more tan to it.

So all of those people saw Oswald wearing a jacket.  Regardless of what color they said that jacket was, they still saw him wearing one.  Why would he ditch the jacket?

Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #423 on: February 09, 2018, 02:30:53 AM »
Ok. So, Westbrook's word is good enough after all. That was a quick turnaround. It's nice to see that you've seen the light on that.

That's hilarious, they ask you to read Westbrooks testimony except the part that says that Westbrook can positively identify the Jacket that they found. LOL!


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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #424 on: February 09, 2018, 02:36:11 AM »
Don't you know Bill, every public building and every grassy knoll in the city of Dallas and nearby surrounding suburbs were outfitted with SS agents just in case someone randomly ran in so they could verify that whoever it was, definitely was NOT Oswald!!!


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Clever conspirators.  They covered all the bases.

Offline John Mytton

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #425 on: February 09, 2018, 02:55:05 AM »
Nice cherry-picking.

Mr. BALL. I'll show you this jacket which is Commission Exhibit 162---have you ever seen this jacket before?
Mrs. ROBERTS. "Well, maybe I have, but I don't remember it. It seems like the one he put on was darker than that

Mr. BALL. Does it look like, anything like, the jacket the man had on?
Mrs. MARKHAM. It is short, open down the front. but that jacket it is a darker jacket than that, I know it was.
Mr. BALL. You don't think it was as light a jacket as that?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, it was darker than that, I know it was.....

Mr. BELIN - I am handing you a jacket which has been marked as "Commission's Exhibit 163," and ask you to state whether this bears any similarity to the jacket you saw this man with the gun wearing?
Mr. BENAVIDES - I would say this looks just like it.   <--- Note that CE163 was the dark blue jacket found in the Domino room

Mr. BALL. I have a jacket, I would like to show you, which is Commission Exhibit No. 162. Does this look anything like the jacket that the man had on that was going across your lawn?
Mrs. DAVIS. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. How is it different?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, it was dark and to me it looked like it was maybe a wool fabric, it looked sort of rough. Like more of a sporting jacket.

Mr. BALL. I have a jacket here Commission's Exhibit No. 162. Does this look anything like the jacket that the man had on that you saw across the street with a gun?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes; it sure does. Yes, that is the same type jacket. Actually, I thought it had a little more tan to it.

Nice edit.

Mrs. OSWALD. That is Lee's--an old shirt.





This is why it's so easy, on one hand you endorse Markham as a Screwball then you use her as your eyewitness?

Mr. BALL. Does it look like, anything like, the jacket the man had on?
Mrs. MARKHAM. It is short, open down the front. but that jacket it is a darker jacket than that, I know it was.
Mr. BALL. You don't think it was as light a jacket as that?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, it was darker than that, I know it was.....


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Nice cherry-picking.

There's no cherry picking, my original statement is as true today as it was 54 years ago, all those eyewitnesses said Oswald was wearing a light coloured jacket and the slight variations that you cling to are completely understandable due to the outside vs inside lighting and even when outside the jacket will appear to have a slightly different shades. Btw show me one murder case in the history of the world where the killer was freed because of a slight clothing shade variation?



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Nice edit.

Mrs. OSWALD. That is Lee's--an old shirt.

She was looking directly at the jacket and positively identified it and if in her language she said it was a shirt, trousers or a concrete mixer, that's all irrelevant, she saw Oswald's jacket and identified it as belonging to Lee. Case Closed!



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« Last Edit: February 09, 2018, 02:57:58 AM by John Mytton »

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #426 on: February 09, 2018, 03:31:53 AM »
Again, this testimony was held in private so how do you know he wasn't shown a white jacket?

Maybe he was shown this white jacket:


Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #427 on: February 09, 2018, 03:51:15 AM »
The point is -- you can't show that a gray jacket was shown to him.

 Here is the jacket that was shown to him:




Sure looks gray to me. It's even labeled as being gray.
« Last Edit: February 09, 2018, 03:56:50 AM by Tim Nickerson »

Offline John Mytton

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #428 on: February 09, 2018, 03:52:44 AM »
Sadly for you, there is a report by a DPD Sergeant that says he spoke with SS agents at the Jefferson Branch Library.




OK Rob, without any corroboration apparently someone in a Library said they were an SS agent, So what?



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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #429 on: February 09, 2018, 03:59:20 AM »
What's your evidence for the claim that he was shown that jacket? Beyond the WC said so of course.

What's your evidence that  a DPD Sergeant wrote in a report that he spoke with agents from the SS?

 

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