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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #310 on: February 03, 2018, 12:09:05 PM »
The only thing that is utter nonsense is your belief that there is no chance in hell that Oswald couldn't know, during his thirty minute trek to Oak Cliff, what the authorities had learned about him by that point.

Taking the cab past the rooming house to see if the police were there makes perfect sense.

Taking the cab past the rooming house to see if the police were there makes perfect sense.

So on one hand you're saying that the arch villain Lee Harrrrrvey Osssswald decided on the spur of the moment to murder JFK....and he had no accomplices ...He was just a lone nut.    Therefore nobody could have been prepared before hand to stop him from assassinating JFK or intercept him after the murder.....

But in this post you're presenting the idea that the cops did know where he lived and they were prepared to intercept him, and he was concerned that they might be waiting for him to show up at the rooming house less than thirty minutes after the murder.

Do I have that right, Billy Bob?

 

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« Reply #311 on: February 03, 2018, 12:28:16 PM »
Mr. WHALEY. Well, I tried to get by the reporters, stepping over television cables and you couldn't hardly get by, they would grab you and wanted to know what you were doing down here, even with the detectives one in front and one behind you. Then they took me in an office there and I think Bill Alexander, the Assistant District Attorney, two or three, I was introduced to two or three who were FBI men and they wanted my deposition of what happened.
So, I told them to the best of my ability. Then they took me down in their room where they have their show-ups, and all, and me and this other taxi driver who was with me, sir, we sat in the room awhile and directly they brought in six men, young teenagers, and they all were handcuffed together. Well, they wanted me to pick out my passenger.
At that time he had on a pair of black pants and white T-shirt, that is all he had on. But you could have picked him out without identifying him by just listening to him because he was bawling out the policeman, telling them it wasn't right to put him in line with these teenagers and all of that and they asked me which one and I told them. It was him all right, the same man.
Mr. BALL. They had him in line with men much younger?
Mr. WHALEY. With five others.
Mr. BALL. Men much younger?
Mr. WHALEY. Not much younger, but just young kids they might have got them in jail.
Mr. BALL. Did he look older than those other boys?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. And he was talking, was he?
Mr. WHALEY. He showed no respect for the policemen, he told them what he thought about them. They knew what they were doing and they were trying to railroad him and he wanted his lawyer.

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Mr. BALL. Tell us what happened.
Mr. CALLAWAY. We first went into the room. There was Jim Leavelle, the detective, Sam Guinyard, and then this busdriver and myself. We waited down there for probably 20 or 30 minutes. And Jim told us, "When I show you these guys, be sure,. take your time, see if you can make a positive identification."
Mr. BALL. Had you known him before?
Mr. CALLAWAY. No. And he said, "We want to be sure, we want to try to wrap him up real tight on killing this officer. We think he is the same one that shot the President. But if we can wrap him up tight on killing this officer, we have got him." So they brought four men in.
I stepped to the back of the room, so I could kind of see him from the same distance which I had seen him before. And when he came out, I knew him.

They knew what they were doing and they were trying to railroad him

These are the words of a simple cabbie.....  Whaley observed  the unfairness of the line up and recognized that Lee was being "railroaded"......when he said...."they were trying to railroad him"

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #312 on: February 03, 2018, 12:35:09 PM »
Perhaps it is not all that Amazing.   ;D

Is ol Inverted Caret Brown the best the LNer's can muster??   

I always found Whaley's description of the man he transported to Oakcliff interesting.  Here he clearly thought the man had just got off a Greyhound bus and was a "Wino".......  There isn't a single photo of Lee Oswald in which he looks like Whaley's description.

When you drive a taxi that long, you
learn to judge people, and what I actually thought of the man when he
got in was that he was a wino who had been off his bottle for about
two days. That is the way he looked, sir. That was my opinion of him.

Mr. BALL. What was there about his appearance that gave you that
impression? Hair mussed?

Mr. WHALEY. Just the slow way he walked up. He didn't talk. He wasn't
in any hurry. He wasn't nervous or anything.

Mr. BALL. He didn't run?

Mr. WHALEY. No, sir.

Mr. BALL. Did he look dirty?

Mr. WHALEY. He looked like his clothes had been slept in, sir, but he
wasn't actually dirty. The T-shirt was a little soiled around the
collar, but the bottom part of it was white. You have to know those
winos, or they will get in and ride with you and there isn't nothing
you can do but call the police. The city gets the fine and you get
nothing.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2018, 01:11:49 PM by Walt Cakebread »

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #313 on: February 03, 2018, 03:02:06 PM »
They knew what they were doing and they were trying to railroad him

These are the words of a simple cabbie.....  Whaley observed  the unfairness of the line up and recognized that Lee was being "railroaded"......when he said...."they were trying to railroad him"

Isn't Whaley characterizing what Oswald was expressing.

    "He showed no respect for the policemen, he told them what
     he thought about them. They knew what they were doing
     and they were trying to railroad him and he wanted his lawyer."


Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #314 on: February 03, 2018, 03:15:03 PM »
Let's get back to basics for a moment, because it seems that for some reason the LNs are ignoring it;

By even the lowest legal standard, there simply is no solid chain of custody for the white jacket found at the carpark. The initials on the jacket were placed there by officers at the police station (just like it happened with the revolver) and (if Westbrook's testimony is to be believed) clearly do not correspond with the officers who actually found that jacket and took it to the station.

During his WC testimony, W.E. Barnes of the DPD identification bureau, was asked a lot of questions about what he did at the Tippit scene of the shooting and later at the crime lab, but they hardly asked him anything about the jacket, despite the fact that he had initialed it. Barnes said he took a photo of the car, under which the jacket allegedly was found, but there is not a word in his testimony about the jacket itself. They didn't ask him if he knew who found it, or if he had seen or handled it himself. They were not even interested enough to ask him how his initials ended up on the jacket. For George Doughty, who also initialed the jacket, it's even worse. They did not even call him to testify.

Who really found the jacket, who called it in describing it as being white, who had it when Barnes arrived on the scene to take his picture and how and when it got to the police station is completely and totally unclear.

In other words; we just have to assume that the white jacket found under the car is the same as the gray jacket now in evidence as CE 162.

I don't think so.....
« Last Edit: February 03, 2018, 04:04:44 PM by Martin Weidmann »

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #315 on: February 03, 2018, 04:05:36 PM »
Taking the cab past the rooming house to see if the police were there makes perfect sense.

So on one hand you're saying that the arch villain Lee Harrrrrvey Osssswald decided on the spur of the moment to murder JFK....and he had no accomplices ...He was just a lone nut.    Therefore nobody could have been prepared before hand to stop him from assassinating JFK or intercept him after the murder.....

But in this post you're presenting the idea that the cops did know where he lived and they were prepared to intercept him, and he was concerned that they might be waiting for him to show up at the rooming house less than thirty minutes after the murder.

Do I have that right, Billy Bob?

Not at all.

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #316 on: February 03, 2018, 04:07:30 PM »
They knew what they were doing and they were trying to railroad him

These are the words of a simple cabbie.....  Whaley observed  the unfairness of the line up and recognized that Lee was being "railroaded"......when he said...."they were trying to railroad him"

Whaley is not saying that the police were trying to railroad Oswald.

Whaley is saying that Oswald accused the police of knowing what they were doing, trying to railroad him.

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #317 on: February 03, 2018, 04:10:28 PM »
Isn't Whaley characterizing what Oswald was expressing.

    "He showed no respect for the policemen, he told them what
     he thought about them. They knew what they were doing
     and they were trying to railroad him and he wanted his lawyer."


It's no use, Jerry.

These clowns have no idea how to properly read testimony once it's been put down on paper.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #318 on: February 03, 2018, 04:39:36 PM »
Whaley is not saying that the police were trying to railroad Oswald.

Whaley is saying that Oswald accused the police of knowing what they were doing, trying to railroad him.

No, Mr Inverted Carat ....you've got it wrong again.....

Whaley RECOGNIZED what was happening..... " they were trying to railroad him"   Whaley's words....

Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #319 on: February 03, 2018, 04:58:46 PM »
No, Mr Inverted Carat ....you've got it wrong again.....

Whaley RECOGNIZED what was happening..... " they were trying to railroad him"   Whaley's words....

Obviously they were Whaley's words.  Duh.  It's his testimony.

But, what you can't understand, for some reason, is that he was describing what Oswald was saying about the police.

 

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