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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #260 on: January 30, 2018, 11:23:58 AM »
"REPORT FOLLOWS."

Why does the serial number of the carcano, C2766, precede the information about the fibers in the report?

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #261 on: January 30, 2018, 05:39:11 PM »
Continued from previous page...

Thanks Tom.....The previous page says that the FBI received a Jacket, ring, and watch .....

Lee's ring was never sent to the FBI and he wore an ID bracelet not a WATCH.....

Since the ring and watch are listed with the Jacket, I wonder if those items were found in the jacket pocket....

The previous page lists ten 6.5mm Japanese cartridges being submitted to the FBI lab.....  WHAT??!!
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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #262 on: January 31, 2018, 02:41:28 AM »
You won't find any mention of it there.  The FBI document detailing the fiber match from the jacket went unreported until the late nineties.  The Warren Commission was made aware of it, but decided not to use it.

The FBI document detailing the fiber match from the jacket went unreported until the late nineties.

If a person can't understand that this fiber match from the jacket is utter BS they have to be living in la la land....Or on that North African River......

Explain what makes the fiber match utter BS?

If they had had evidence that verified that the jack had been in contact with Lee's shirt they would  announced it from the rooftops....  The fact that the report didn't surface until thirty years later speaks for itself.

In 1998, David Belin was asked why the Commission decided to not use the report detailing the fiber match.

In a letter dated 7/30/98 to Dale Myers, Belin replied...

"There was overwhelming evidence to tie Oswald to the Tippit murder shooting in light of the positive identification of Oswald as the man with the gun by William Scoggins, Barbara Davis, Virginia Davis, Ted Callaway, Sam Guinyard and Helen Markham.  Moreover, Oswald was apprehended with the murder weapon in his hand, as confirmed by the cartridge cases turned over to the police by witnesses at the Tippit murder scene.  At the time of the Warren Commission investigation, experts retained by the Commission determined that individual fibers, like hairs, are not unique.  Under all of the circumstances, I did not believe that the quality of the evidence compared with the ballistics identification of the cartridge cases found at the murder scene."
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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #263 on: January 31, 2018, 01:53:23 PM »
In 1998, David Belin was asked why the Commission decided to not use the report detailing the fiber match.

In a letter dated 7/30/98 to Dale Myers, Belin replied...

"There was overwhelming evidence to tie Oswald to the Tippit murder shooting in light of the positive identification of Oswald as the man with the gun by William Scoggins, Barbara Davis, Virginia Davis, Ted Callaway, Sam Guinyard and Helen Markham.  Moreover, Oswald was apprehended with the murder weapon in his hand, as confirmed by the cartridge cases turned over to the police by witnesses at the Tippit murder scene.  At the time of the Warren Commission investigation, experts retained by the Commission determined that individual fibers, like hairs, are not unique.  Under all of the circumstances, I did not believe that the quality of the evidence compared with the ballistics identification of the cartridge cases found at the murder scene."

No trial, no cross examination of witnesses, no expert testimony for the defendant, etc. etc.

Exculpatory evidence is often ignored by prosecutors.

It's up to the defense to bring it up at trial.

If the jacket was discarded by Tippit's killer it could very well have contained evidence pointing

away from Ozzie.

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"the positive identification of Oswald as the man with the gun"

Domingo Benavide's description of Tippit's killer compared to a photo taken of Ozzie on 11/22/63

while in DPD custody.

He was 15 feet away from Tippit's killer.


Mr. Belin: Let me ask you now, I would like you to relate again the action of the man with the gun as you saw him now.

Mr. Benavides: As I saw him, I really--I mean really got a good view of the man after the bullets were fired he had just turned. He was just turning away........

~snip~

Mr. BENAVIDES - I remember the back of his head seemed like his hairline was sort of--looked like his hairline sort of went square instead of tapered off. and he looked like he needed a haircut for about 2 weeks, but his hair didn't taper off, it kind of went down and squared off and made his head look fiat in back.


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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #264 on: January 31, 2018, 03:20:38 PM »
I figured Brown had his information from Myers' book, because a google search for the file number of the memo lead me there as well. And - I might add - that was the only result that came up, which suggests there is no on line presence of the actual memo.

Belin can write to Myers whatever he wants but the fact remains that, in March 1964, the WC wasn't convinced by the available "overwhelming" evidence because they asked the FBI to investigate the dry-cleaner's label to establish a link between the jacket and Oswald.

Obviously the investigation ultimately was a dead end because, despite a massive search in the greater Dallas and New Orl?ans areas, the FBI could not locate the dry-cleaner who had attached that label to the jacket.

So, if they really had persuasive fiber evidence they did not use because they already had "overwhelming [witness] evidence to tie Oswald to the Tippit murder", then why in the world did they waste the FBI's time by asking for an investigation of the dry-cleaner's label.

Yet, they never fell back on the fibers after that... One can only wonder why.
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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #265 on: January 31, 2018, 04:01:29 PM »
No trial, no cross examination of witnesses, no expert testimony for the defendant, etc. etc.

Exculpatory evidence is often ignored by prosecutors.

It's up to the defense to bring it up at trial.

If the jacket was discarded by Tippit's killer it could very well have contained evidence pointing

away from Ozzie.

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"the positive identification of Oswald as the man with the gun"

Domingo Benavide's description of Tippit's killer compared to a photo taken of Ozzie on 11/22/63

while in DPD custody.

He was 15 feet away from Tippit's killer.


Mr. Belin: Let me ask you now, I would like you to relate again the action of the man with the gun as you saw him now.

Mr. Benavides: As I saw him, I really--I mean really got a good view of the man after the bullets were fired he had just turned. He was just turning away........

~snip~

Mr. BENAVIDES - I remember the back of his head seemed like his hairline was sort of--looked like his hairline sort of went square instead of tapered off. and he looked like he needed a haircut for about 2 weeks, but his hair didn't taper off, it kind of went down and squared off and made his head look fiat in back.



Wonder where Benavides' flashbulb was?

Even in the hallway, under certain conditions, Oswald's nape (if the nape is what Benavides was talking about) had the appearance of being square.



This is more like fifteen feet and with some of the flash absorbed by the foreground figure. Try to imagine no flash and the figure moving.

However, it's thought the killer wore a jacket. On Oswald, a jacket would "square" off the nape.



In any event, we don't know exactly what part of the head Benavides is referring to by "the hairline", or what "went square" means or of he's referring to the head profile with "his head look fiat in back".

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #266 on: January 31, 2018, 04:07:52 PM »
Wonder where Benavides' flashbulb was?

Even in the hallway, under certain conditions, Oswald's nape (if the nape is what Benavides was talking about) had the appearance of being square.



This is more like fifteen feet and with some of the flash absorbed by the foreground figure. Try to imagine no flash and the figure moving.

However, it's thought the killer wore a jacket. On Oswald, a jacket would "square" off the nape.



In any event, we don't know exactly what part of the head Benavides is referring to by "the hairline", or what "went square" means or of he's referring to the head profile with "his head look fiat in back".

You can spin it any way you want.

The fact remains the witness with the best look at Tippit's killer, Domingo Benavides, describes

someone not matching a photo taken of LHO on 11/22/63.


Mr. Belin: Let me ask you now, I would like you to relate again the action of the man with the gun as you saw him now.

Mr. Benavides: As I saw him, I really--I mean really got a good view of the man after the bullets were fired he had just turned. He was just turning away........

~snip~

Mr. BENAVIDES - I remember the back of his head seemed like his hairline was sort of--looked like his hairline sort of went square instead of tapered off. and he looked like he needed a haircut for about 2 weeks, but his hair didn't taper off, it kind of went down and squared off and made his head look fiat in back.

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #267 on: January 31, 2018, 04:36:27 PM »
You can spin it any way you want.

The fact remains the witness with the best look at Tippit's killer, Domingo Benavides, describes

someone not matching a photo taken of LHO on 11/22/63.


Mr. Belin: Let me ask you now, I would like you to relate again the action of the man with the gun as you saw him now.

Mr. Benavides: As I saw him, I really--I mean really got a good view of the man after the bullets were fired he had just turned. He was just turning away........

~snip~

Mr. BENAVIDES - I remember the back of his head seemed like his hairline was sort of--looked like his hairline sort of went square instead of tapered off. and he looked like he needed a haircut for about 2 weeks, but his hair didn't taper off, it kind of went down and squared off and made his head look fiat in back.



and made his head look flat in back.

This is the important point.....The LNer's try to avoid Benavides' statement that the killer's head looked FLAT in the Back, by shifting the focus to the nape......

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #268 on: January 31, 2018, 04:39:07 PM »
You can spin it any way you want.

The fact remains the witness with the best look at Tippit's killer, Domingo Benavides, describes

someone not matching a photo taken of LHO on 11/22/63.

Mr. BENAVIDES - I remember the back of his head seemed like his hairline was sort of--looked like his hairline sort of went square instead of tapered off. and he looked like he needed a haircut for about 2 weeks, but his hair didn't taper off, it kind of went down and squared off and made his head look fiat in back.


Statements like, "seemed", "sort of", and, "kind of", are quite vague in nature and give the impression that Benavides wasn't exactly sure about how his hairline actually appeared. And the killer (Oswald ) was wearing a jacket at the time of the Tippit shooting which leads to the question, how much of the nape of his neck was the collar of the jacket covering ?

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #269 on: January 31, 2018, 05:17:05 PM »
Statements like, "seemed", "sort of", and, "kind of", are quite vague in nature and give the impression that Benavides wasn't exactly sure about how his hairline actually appeared. And the killer (Oswald ) was wearing a jacket at the time of the Tippit shooting which leads to the question, how much of the nape of his neck was the collar of the jacket covering ?

Benavides wasn't exactly sure about how his hairline actually appeared.

Benavides was not referring to the killer's "hairline"......He was referring to the killers hair style.....And the killer's hair was cut in a manner that made the back of his head LOOK FLAT.

 

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