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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #180 on: January 23, 2018, 01:59:54 AM »

The way she misunderstood the questions was what frustrated the interrogator.


Or was it that she wasn't telling him what he wanted to hear?

Online John Mytton

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #181 on: January 23, 2018, 02:45:36 AM »
That what the guy who took her testimony called her. 

For a start you didn't reference Ball in your comment so blaming Ball for your Woman bashing insult is a gutless cop out.
And secondly, I don't think Ball was qualified to analyse Markham, what's your opinion?

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Do you think you know her better than he did?

Ball interacted with a plethora of witnesses and he concluded from all these witnesses that Oswald did it beyond all doubt, do you endorse that as well?, or will you just cherry pick a single comment from fifty years ago where Ball was clearly using a crowd pleasing ironic metaphor.



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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #182 on: January 23, 2018, 06:13:59 AM »
How about quitting with the straw man and deal with what I actually did say.  The fibers found inside one of the sleeves of the jacket matched the microscopic fibers from Oswald's arrest shirt.

And by "matched" you mean similar.  So what?

No.

By "matched" I mean the fibers were more than only similar; I mean exactly what I said, that they were a match.

If you believe the fibers found inside one of the sleeves were only "similar" to fibers taken from Oswald's arrest shirt, then you need to go back and learn the evidence.  The fibers were a match.

Or, maybe you simply don't know the meaning of very basic words, like "similar".

Anything to get a cop-killer off the hook.  Right?

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #183 on: January 23, 2018, 07:30:20 AM »
Or was it that she wasn't telling him what he wanted to hear?

He wanted her to understand the questions.

Mr. BALL. Did you identify anybody in these four people?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I didn't know nobody.
Mr. BALL. I know you didn't know anybody, but did anybody in that lineup look like anybody you had seen before?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No. I had never seen none of them, none of these men*

*Meaning prior to that day

Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #184 on: January 23, 2018, 07:44:07 AM »
No sign of misunderstanding whether she recognized Oswald or not.

Mr. BALL. Did you recognize anyone in the lineup?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. You did not? Did you see anybody--I have asked you that question before did you recognize anybody from their face?
Mrs. MARKHAM. From their face, no

BALL started harassing and leading the witness when Markham didn't deliver what he wanted. 

Mr. BALL. Did you identify anybody in these four people?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I didn't know nobody.
Mr. BALL. I know you didn't know anybody, but did anybody in that lineup look like anybody you had seen before?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No. I had never seen none of them, none of these men.
Mr. BALL. No one of the four?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No one of them.
Mr. BALL. No one of all four?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, sir.

In court BALL would have been immediately stopped as she had already answered his question; Markham fully understands "recognized":

Mr. BALL. All right. I have some pictures here that I would like to show you. I have Exhibits 521 and 522, which have been marked as Exhibits. Here is one picture, 521. Do you recognize that as the sign down?
Mrs. MARKHAM. This is the corner of Patton and 10th.
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Mr. BALL. No, I have another picture I will show her. I have here Exhibit 522; do you recognize the white house in the picture?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.
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Mr. BALL. Northwest corner; that is the northwest corner. Here is a picture. Do you recognize that?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
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Mr. BALL. I have some other pictures here that might illustrate. Do you recognize this?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.

Straight answers all the way. She didn't recognize Oswald in the lineup. BALL was desperate.

She had seen the streets prior, so naturally she recognized them

You've avoided the way in which she reacted upon realizing he was the killer
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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #185 on: January 23, 2018, 07:53:44 AM »
No sign of misunderstanding whether she recognized Oswald or not.

Mr. BALL. Did you recognize anyone in the lineup?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. You did not? Did you see anybody--I have asked you that question before did you recognize anybody from their face?
Mrs. MARKHAM. From their face, no

BALL started harassing and leading the witness when Markham didn't deliver what he wanted. 

Mr. BALL. Did you identify anybody in these four people?
Mrs. MARKHAM. I didn't know nobody.
Mr. BALL. I know you didn't know anybody, but did anybody in that lineup look like anybody you had seen before?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No. I had never seen none of them, none of these men.
Mr. BALL. No one of the four?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No one of them.
Mr. BALL. No one of all four?
Mrs. MARKHAM. No, sir.

In court BALL would have been immediately stopped as she had already answered his question; Markham fully understands "recognized":

Mr. BALL. All right. I have some pictures here that I would like to show you. I have Exhibits 521 and 522, which have been marked as Exhibits. Here is one picture, 521. Do you recognize that as the sign down?
Mrs. MARKHAM. This is the corner of Patton and 10th.
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Mr. BALL. No, I have another picture I will show her. I have here Exhibit 522; do you recognize the white house in the picture?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.
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Mr. BALL. Northwest corner; that is the northwest corner. Here is a picture. Do you recognize that?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes, sir.
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Mr. BALL. I have some other pictures here that might illustrate. Do you recognize this?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Yes.

Straight answers all the way. She didn't recognize Oswald in the lineup. BALL was desperate.

How does Markham's testimony in July of 1964, whether she was confused by the questioning or not, negate her 11/22/63 positive identification of Lee Oswald as the man she saw murder J.D. Tippit?

Regardless of how one chooses to view her testimony eight months later, NONE OF IT takes from the fact that she positively identified Oswald at the police lineup on the day of the murder.

Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #186 on: January 23, 2018, 08:08:48 AM »
It's called cross contamination.

Explain.

Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #187 on: January 23, 2018, 08:11:28 AM »
How do you positively identify someone you don't recognize?

On the evening of the murder, many months before her confused Warren Commission testimony, did Markham pick the "number two" man or not?  Of course she did.
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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #188 on: January 23, 2018, 08:21:42 AM »
Transfer of fiber while handling evidence.





So the fibers jumped into the sleeves of Oswald's jacket and the same fibers lodged themselves in Oswald's rifle?



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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #189 on: January 23, 2018, 08:23:24 AM »
So now it's "pick". I get it.

Correct.  Markham picked out the #2 man (Oswald) as the man she saw murder a police officer.

 

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