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Offline John Mytton

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #170 on: January 22, 2018, 11:57:10 PM »
Is this supposed to prove that Markham saw the same jacket?





Markham positively identified Oswald and the fact that she thought the jacket was darker under completely different lighting conditions means nothing.



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« Reply #171 on: January 22, 2018, 11:59:12 PM »
This argument goes nowhere, the crime wasn't committed in some dark alley where a single identification may cause doubt, Oswald killed Tippit in broad daylight and was positively identified by multiple people.

Identified by "multiple people" who didn't even see a crime committed, in unfair lineups.

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So they had the shells in custody but forgot to initial them, silly conspirators.

So you can't prove that they are the same shells then.  Silly LNers.

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I really don't get why you find this to be such a problem, he kept it on his person for safe keeping.

Of course he did.   ::)

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What's the difference if he kept Oswald's revolver for 10 seconds, 10 minutes or 10 hours?

Oswald's revolver.  LOL.  How would anybody know that the gun that Hill pulled out of his pocket 2 hours later was even ever at the theater, much less ever even touched by Oswald?

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #172 on: January 23, 2018, 12:01:21 AM »
What "Tippit eyewitnesses"?



For a start Markham, Scoggins and Benavides saw Oswald at the crime scene with a light coloured jacket and then a stack more identified Oswald with a gun moving away from the crime scene while wearing a light coloured jacket.



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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #173 on: January 23, 2018, 12:04:21 AM »
Hahaha, I reinforced Bugliosi's professional opinion with literature directly from the FBI's website and you erase it which so typical of a CT, when evidence is produced that doesn't comply with your mindset it gets magically erased. The intellectual dishonesty on display is absolutely unbelievable.

And what's typical of you is introducing yet another irrelevancy.  What victim's clothing do you think these fibers were found on?  They were found in a jacket that can't even be shown to have anything to do with Tippit or even Oswald.

You can't calculate a probability without knowing how many objects there are with similar fibers.  All you can do is make one up.

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #174 on: January 23, 2018, 12:06:55 AM »
Markham positively identified Oswald and the fact that she thought the jacket was darker under completely different lighting conditions means nothing.

Then why are you arguing the way colors look under different lighting conditions at all?

The fact that an utter screwball identified someone in an unfair lineup also means nothing.

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #175 on: January 23, 2018, 12:13:11 AM »
Identified by "multiple people" who didn't even see a crime committed, in unfair lineups.

So you can't prove that they are the same shells then.  Silly LNers.

Of course he did.   ::)

Oswald's revolver.  LOL.  How would anybody know that the gun that Hill pulled out of his pocket 2 hours later was even ever at the theater, much less ever even touched by Oswald?





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Oswald's revolver.  LOL.

You better brief your client because Oswald admitted that he was carrying a revolver at the theater! Doh!

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How would anybody know that the gun that Hill pulled out of his pocket 2 hours later was even ever at the theater, much less ever even touched by Oswald?

The eyewitnesses who positively identified Oswald and confirmed he was carrying a gun

Mr. BALL. Which way?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Towards Jefferson, right across that way.
Mr. DULLES. Did he have the pistol in his hand at this time?
Mrs. MARKHAM. He had the gun when I saw him.


Mr. BELIN - All right. Now, you said you saw the man with the gun throw the shells?
Mr. BENAVIDES - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - Well, did you see the man empty his gun?
Mr. BENAVIDES - That is what he was doing. He took one out and threw it

Mr. BALL. And what did you see the man doing?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, first off she went to screaming before I had paid too much attention to him, and pointing at him, and he was, what I thought, was emptying the gun.
Mr. BALL. He had a gun in his hand?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes.

Mr. BELIN. Did you see anything else as you heard her screaming?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we saw Oswald. We didn't know it was Oswald at the time. We saw that boy cut across the lawn emptying the shells out of the gun.

Mr. BALL. And how was he holding the gun?
Mr. CALLAWAY. We used to say in the Marine Corps in a raised pistol position.


Mr. BALL. What did you see him doing?
Mr. GUINYARD. He came through there running and knocking empty shells out of his pistol and he had it up just like this with his hand.
Mr. BALL. With which hand?
Mr. GUINYARD. With his right hand; just kicking them out.
Mr. BALL. He had it up?


Mr. B.M. PATTERSON, 4635 Hartford Street, Dallas, Texas, currently employed by Wyatt's Cafeteria, 2647 South Lancaster, Dallas, Texas, advised he was present at the used car lot of JOHNNY REYNOLDS' on the afternoon of November 22, 1963.

PATTERSON advised that at approximately 1:30 PM, he was standing on JONNY REYNOLDS' used car lot together with L.J. LEWIS and HAROLD RUSSELL when they heard shots coming from the vicinity of 10th and Patton Avenue, Dallas, Texas. A minute or so later they observed a white male approximately 30 years of age, running south on Patton Avenue, carrying what appeared to be a revolver in his hand and was obviously trying to reload same while running.


Mr. LIEBELER. Did you see this man's face that had the gun in his hand?
Mr.REYNOLDS. Very good.

HAROLD RUSSELL, employee, Johnny Reynolds Used Car Lot, 500 Jefferson Street, Dallas, Texas, advised that on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, he was standing on the lot of Reynolds Used Cars together with L.J. LEWIS and PAT PATTERSON, at which time they heard shots come from the vicinity of Patton and Tenth Street, and a few seconds later they observed a young white man running south on Patton Avenue carrying a pistol or revolver which the individual was attempting to either reload or place in his belt line.


Mr. BELIN. Did he have anything in his hand?
Mr. SCOGGINS. He had a pistol in his left hand.

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Next. this man with a gun in his hand ran toward the back of the squad car, but instead of running away he stepped into the street and shot the police officer who was lying in the street.


The Police Officers who were confronted with the murdering Oswald.

Mr. McDONALD - My left hand, at this point.
Mr. BALL - And had he withdrawn the pistol
Mr. McDONALD - He was drawing it as I put my hand.
Mr. BALL - From his waist?
Mr. McDONALD - Yes, sir.


Mr. BELIN. When you saw Oswald's hand by his belt, which hand did you see then?
Mr. WALKER. He had ahold of the handle of it.
Mr. BELIN. Handle of what?
Mr. WALKER. The revolver.
Mr. BELIN. Was there a revolver there?
Mr. WALKER. Yes; there was.

Mr. HUTSON. McDonald was at this time simultaneously trying to hold this person's right hand. Somehow this person moved his right hand to his waist, and I saw a revolver come out, and McDonald was holding on to it with his right hand, and this gun was waving up toward the back of the seat like this.


Oswald even admitted carrying his revolver.

Mr. STERN - Was he asked whether he was carrying a pistol at the time he was in the Texas Theatre?
Mr. BOOKHOUT - Yes; that was brought up. He admitted that he was carrying a pistol at the time he was arrested.


Mr. McCLOY. Was it a sharpshooter's or a marksman's? There are two different types, you know.
Mr. HOSTY. I believe it was a sharpshooter, sir. He then told Captain Fritz that he had been living at 1026 North Beckley, that is in Dallas, Tex., at 1026 North Beckley under the name O. H. Lee and not under his true name.
Oswald admitted that he was present in the Texas School Book Depository Building on the 22d of November 1963, where he had been employed since the 15th of October. Oswald told Captain Fritz that he was a laborer in this building and had access to the entire building. It had offices on the first and second floors with storage on third, fourth, fifth and sixth floors.
Oswald told Captain Fritz that he went to lunch at approximately noon on the 22d of November, ate his lunch in the lunchroom, and had gone and gotten a Coca Cola from the Coca Cola machine to have with his lunch. He claimed that he was in the lunchroom at the time President Kennedy passed the building.
He was asked why he left the School Book Depository that day, and he stated that in all the confusion he was certain that there would be no more work for the rest of the day, that everybody was too upset, there was too much confusion, so he just decided that there would be no work for the rest of the day and so he went home. He got on a bus and went home. He went to his residence on North Beckley, changed his clothes, and then went to a movie.
Captain Fritz asked him if he always carried a pistol when he went to the movie, and he said he carried it because he felt like it. He admitted that he did have a pistol on him at the time of his arrest, in this theatre, in the Oak Cliff area of Dallas. He further admitted that he had resisted arrest and had received a bump and a cut as a result of his resisting of arrest. He then denied that he had killed Officer Tippit or President Kennedy.


Mr. BALL. What did he say?
Mr. FRITZ. He told me he went over and caught a bus and rode the bus to North Beckley near where he lived and went by home and changed clothes and got his pistol and went to the show. I asked him why he took his pistol and he said, "Well, you know about a pistol; I just carried it." Let's see if I asked him anything else right that minute. That is just about it.




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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #176 on: January 23, 2018, 12:16:25 AM »

The fact that an utter screwball identified someone in an unfair lineup also means nothing.







Golly, another woman connected with this case that you just want to insult, pathetic!



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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #177 on: January 23, 2018, 12:18:01 AM »
You better brief your client because Oswald admitted that he was carrying a revolver at the theater! Doh!

How does any of your latest mountain of irrelevancies show that the gun that Hill pulled out of his pocket 2 hours later was ever in Oswald's possession?

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« Reply #178 on: January 23, 2018, 12:20:06 AM »
Golly, another woman connected with this case that you just want to insult, pathetic!

That's what the guy who took her testimony called her.  Do you think you know her better than he did?
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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #179 on: January 23, 2018, 01:54:00 AM »
That what the guy who took her testimony called her.  Do you think you know her better than he did?

The way she misunderstood the questions was what frustrated the interrogator.

 

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