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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #100 on: January 21, 2018, 05:56:21 AM »
Don't be stupid how can you accept the above!!! because Brewer even lied by saying he never met Oswald before 22.11.63 when in fact he had previously sold Oswald the very shoes that he was wearing on the day

Pretty sure Brewer said he didn't know the man's NAME before 11.22.63:

'Well, in the first place, I had seen him some place before. I think he had been in my store before. And when you wait on somebody, you recognize them' -- Brewer

He obviously recognized the man at his store window by sight only. He didn't yet know him by name. He made that clear in his WC testimony.
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Online Gary Craig

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #101 on: January 21, 2018, 12:58:15 PM »
What are you talking about?  Ted Callaway, just for quick reference, positively identified the jacket (CE-162) as being the one that Oswald had on as he ran down Patton.

Oswald wore a size small.

The jacket in evidence is a medium.

Still no witness describing the suspect wearing an over sized jacket?

The jacket in evidence was laundered at a commercial laundry per the marking(s)/tag(s) on it.

Marina laundered all of Ozzie's clothes.

Ted Callaway may have seen Tippit's killer wearing CE-162 but it wasn't LHO.

Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #102 on: January 21, 2018, 07:32:18 PM »
Mr. BALL. Was he dressed the same in the lineup as he was when you saw him running across the lawn?
Mrs. DAVIS. All except he didn't have a black coat on when I saw him in the lineup.

Whether it was black, tan, gray, white or rainbow colored, what happened to Oswald's jacket?  He wasn't wearing a jacket or a coat when he was seen by Brewer.  Why ditch the jacket?

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #103 on: January 21, 2018, 07:46:16 PM »
Oswald wore a size small.

The jacket in evidence is a medium.

Still no witness describing the suspect wearing an over sized jacket?

The jacket in evidence was laundered at a commercial laundry per the marking(s)/tag(s) on it.

Marina laundered all of Ozzie's clothes.

Ted Callaway may have seen Tippit's killer wearing CE-162 but it wasn't LHO.


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Oswald wore a size small.

The jacket in evidence is a medium.

So what?


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Still no witness describing the suspect wearing an over sized jacket?

Please show the results of your controlled experiment which suggests that it should be painfully obvious to witnesses that a medium jacket should appear grossly over-sized on a small man.

This "small man cannot wear a medium jacket without the jacket appearing over sized" argument is pathetic.


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The jacket in evidence was laundered at a commercial laundry per the marking(s)/tag(s) on it.

Marina laundered all of Ozzie's clothes.

This does not prove that the jacket didn't belong to Oswald.


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Ted Callaway may have seen Tippit's killer wearing CE-162 but it wasn't LHO.

How about we go with Callaway's own words...

"He looked right at me, sir. When I called to him, he looked right at me."

"I stepped to the back of the room, so I could kind of see him from the same distance which I had seen him before. And when he came out, I knew him."

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #104 on: January 21, 2018, 10:56:55 PM »
If he wore a jacket. That's your job to prove and you have been at it for how many years now?




Earlene Roberts actually knew Oswald and confirmed that Oswald was zipping up his jacket as he was leaving.

Mrs. ROBERTS. He just walked in---he didn't look around at me---he didn't say nothing and went on to his room.
Mr. BALL. Did he run?
Mrs. ROBERTS. He wasn't running, but he was walking pretty fast---he was all but running.
Mr. BALL. Then, what happened after that?
Mrs. ROBERTS. He went to his room and he was in his shirt sleeves but I couldn't tell you whether it was a long-sleeved shirt or what color it was or nothing, and he got a jacket and put it on---it was kind of a zipper jacket.


And what do you know, the jacket recovered had fibers in the sleeve that matched Oswald's shirt and the jacket was had a zipper.





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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #105 on: January 21, 2018, 11:04:38 PM »
Another quick reference:

Mr. BALL. I have a jacket, I would like to show you, which is Commission Exhibit No. 162. Does this look anything like the jacket that the man had on that was going across your lawn?
Mrs. DAVIS. No, sir.







Virginia Davis testified to seeing Oswald wearing a light brown tan jacket.

Mr. BELIN. Do you remember what he had on?
Mrs. DAVIS. He had on a light-brown-tan jacket.


Both sisters saw one man who they both positively identified as Lee Harvey Oswald.

Mr. BELIN. Did you see anything else as you heard her screaming?
Mrs. DAVIS. Well, we saw Oswald. We didn't know it was Oswald at the time. We saw that boy cut across the lawn emptying the shells out of the gun.


Mr. BALL. Did you recognize anyone in that room?
Mrs. DAVIS. Yes, sir. I recognized number 2.


Btw Lee Harvey Oswald was man number 2.



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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #106 on: January 21, 2018, 11:07:15 PM »
Mrs Roberts testimony continued.

"Mr. BALL. Had you ever seen him wear that jacket before?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I can't say I did---if I did, I don't remember it.
Mr. BALL. When he came in he was in a shirt?
Mrs. ROBERTS. He was in his shirt sleeves.
Mr. BALL. What color was his shirt? Do you know?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I don't remember. I didn't pay that much attention for I was interested in the television trying to get it fixed.
Mr. BALL. Had you ever seen that shirt before or seen him wear it---the shirt, or do you know?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I don't remember---I don't know.
Mr. BALL. You say he put on a separate jacket?
Mrs. ROBERTS. A jacket.
Mr. BALL. I'll show you this jacket which is Commission Exhibit 162---have you ever seen this jacket before?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, maybe I have, but I don't remember it. It seems like the one he put on was darker than that. Now, I won't be sure, because I really don't know, but is that a zipper jacket?
Mr. BALL. Yes---it has a zipper down the front.
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, maybe it was.
Mr. BALL. It was a zippered jacket, was it?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes; it was a zipper jacket. How come me to remember it, he was zipping it up as he went out the door.
Mr. BALL. He was zipping it up as he went out the door?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes.

"When he came in he was in his shirt sleeves."

What happened to the two jackets, Whaley, the taxi driver said he was wearing?

Mr. WHALEY. That is what I told you I noticed. I told you about the shirt being open, he had on the two jackets with the open shirt.
Mr. BALL. Wait a minute, we have got the shirt which you have identified as the rust brown shirt with the gold stripe in it.
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You said that a jacket--
Mr. WHALEY. That jacket now it might have been clean, but the jacket he had on looked more the color, you know like a uniform set, but he had this coat here on over that other jacket, I am sure, sir.
Mr. BALL. This is the blue-gray jacket, heavy blue-gray jacket.

Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #107 on: January 21, 2018, 11:23:33 PM »
Roberts was blind as a bat.





Crikey, with each post your desperation grows and grows, Earlene Roberts was the supervisor and housekeeper for a rooming house with multiple occupants, that's some awesome accomplishment for someone that's blind.



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« Reply #108 on: January 21, 2018, 11:38:30 PM »
Mrs Roberts testimony continued.

"Mr. BALL. Had you ever seen him wear that jacket before?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I can't say I did---if I did, I don't remember it.
Mr. BALL. When he came in he was in a shirt?
Mrs. ROBERTS. He was in his shirt sleeves.
Mr. BALL. What color was his shirt? Do you know?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I don't remember. I didn't pay that much attention for I was interested in the television trying to get it fixed.
Mr. BALL. Had you ever seen that shirt before or seen him wear it---the shirt, or do you know?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I don't remember---I don't know.
Mr. BALL. You say he put on a separate jacket?
Mrs. ROBERTS. A jacket.
Mr. BALL. I'll show you this jacket which is Commission Exhibit 162---have you ever seen this jacket before?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, maybe I have, but I don't remember it. It seems like the one he put on was darker than that. Now, I won't be sure, because I really don't know, but is that a zipper jacket?
Mr. BALL. Yes---it has a zipper down the front.
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, maybe it was.
Mr. BALL. It was a zippered jacket, was it?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes; it was a zipper jacket. How come me to remember it, he was zipping it up as he went out the door.
Mr. BALL. He was zipping it up as he went out the door?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes.

"When he came in he was in his shirt sleeves."

What happened to the two jackets, Whaley, the taxi driver said he was wearing?

Mr. WHALEY. That is what I told you I noticed. I told you about the shirt being open, he had on the two jackets with the open shirt.
Mr. BALL. Wait a minute, we have got the shirt which you have identified as the rust brown shirt with the gold stripe in it.
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. You said that a jacket--
Mr. WHALEY. That jacket now it might have been clean, but the jacket he had on looked more the color, you know like a uniform set, but he had this coat here on over that other jacket, I am sure, sir.
Mr. BALL. This is the blue-gray jacket, heavy blue-gray jacket.

Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir.




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Mrs Roberts testimony continued.

So what? Earlene Roberts saw the jacket in two locations under completely different lighting conditions and besides the slight shade variation Earlene voices no other objections with style or size.

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"When he came in he was in his shirt sleeves."

What happened to the two jackets, Whaley, the taxi driver said he was wearing?

Whaley saw many people every day and Oswald was nothing special but what was important to Whaley was bracelets and he recognised that Oswald was wearing a bracelet which he later confirmed looked like the same one.

Mr. BALL. I have here a bracelet which is marked 383. Take a look at it and tell me if you have ever seen it before.
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; as near as I can tell that is the bracelet he was wearing the day I carried him, the shiny bracelet I was talking about.
Mr. BALL. You mentioned the fact that the man who sat in the front seat of your cab, which you drove from the Greyhound Station on Lamar Street over to 500 North Beckley, had an identification bracelet on him.
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, it looked like an identification bracelet. It looks like this one, sir, it was shiny, I couldn't tell exactly whether that was the bracelet or not.
Mr. BALL. But it looks like one of them?
Mr. WHALEY. Yes, sir; it looks like it.






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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #109 on: January 21, 2018, 11:40:01 PM »

Crikey, with each post your desperation grows and grows, Earlene Roberts was the supervisor and housekeeper for a rooming house with multiple occupants, that's some awesome accomplishment for someone that's blind.

JohnM

She was also paying more attention to getting the television to work (when Oswald took only a few seconds to walk through the living room) and she was described by her employer as somebody who makes up stuff.

Funny how that works; when Frazier says he wasn't paying much attention the LNs call him mistaken in his observations, when Roberts isn't paying much attention they take her word for it as gospel....

 

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