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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #680 on: June 01, 2018, 02:34:35 PM »
If the gray zipper jacket (CE 162) is legitimate, it was in the hands of the police before Oswald was arrested.
Why not give him the opportunity to confirm or deny that it was his property. - they never did

If the gray zipper jacket (CE 162) is legitimate, it was in the hands of the police before Oswald was arrested.

That doesn't have to be the case. The gray jacket (which I believe very likely belonged to Oswald) now in evidence could well have been found during the first search of Ruth Paine's house and used as a substitute for the white jacket found at the carpark.

This possibility alone is exactly why a correct chain of custody is essential. What Tim and his ilk are doing is simply accepting the word of Westbrook ........ because cops don't lie, right?

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #681 on: June 02, 2018, 10:18:44 AM »
Julia Postal wasn't sure if he paid or not.  I don't know why the LNers are so sure he didn't.

Johnny Brewer, the only person watching Oswald, said that Oswald did not buy a ticket.

Do you really want to make your stand here?  Really?

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #682 on: June 02, 2018, 10:28:35 AM »
How can you even be sure that Oswald didn't have jacket at the Texas Theater? How does the fact that he wasn't wearing a jacket when he was arrested justify the conclusion that he didn't have a jacket? What makes you eliminate the possibility that a jacket simply was never found or looked for?

"About 1:30 pm I saw a man standing in the lobby of the shoe store. This man was wearing a brown sport shirt. He also acted as if he was scared." - Johnny Brewer

Mr. BELIN - So you say he was about 5'9"?
Mr. BREWER - About 5'9".
Mr. BELIN - And about 150?
Mr. BREWER - And had brown hair. He had a brown sports shirt on. His shirt tail was out.
Mr. BELIN - Any jacket?
Mr. BREWER - No.

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« Reply #683 on: June 02, 2018, 10:41:59 AM »
The implication that the jacket that was found wasn't his, or was planted is pretty much destroyed by the fibers that matched his arrest shirt in the jacket

Really? Are you sure you have thought this trough? How can you even begin to be sure that the white jacket that was found at the parking lot was indeed the grey jacket that actually belonged to Oswald?

and the fact that the conspirators would have had to known [sic] that Saint Oz wouldn't have had a jacket when he was arrested.

What makes you think the jacket would have been part of any master plan? What makes you even sure that Oswald didn't have a jacket at the Texas Theater?

The gray jacket (which I believe very likely belonged to Oswald) now in evidence could well have been found during the first search of Ruth Paine's house and used as a substitute for the white jacket found at the carpark.


Oswald was seen zipping up his jacket by housekeeper Earlene Roberts as he left the rooming house.  Oswald was wearing a jacket when he gunned down J.D. Tippit. 

So, Oswald had his jacket on as he entered the theater and it's a great coincidence that an entirely separate jacket happened to be found along the path known to have been taken by Oswald.  Just how often do you think a jacket is found laying on the ground underneath a car?

Wait.  Sometimes you argue that Oswald was not wearing a jacket when he left the rooming house.  Now you're arguing on behalf of the idea that Oswald had on his jacket as he entered the theater.

Anything to get a cop-killer off the hook, I guess.
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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #684 on: June 02, 2018, 10:44:48 AM »
No dumber than when they only rely on a half blind woman (who was concentrating on getting the TV to work and thus had her back turned towards the living room when Oswald walked from his room to the front door in a matter of seconds) to conclude that Oswald did indeed leave the rooming house wearing a jacket in the first place!

Mr. BALL. It was a zippered jacket, was it?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes; it was a zipper jacket. How come me to remember it, he was zipping it up as he went out the door.
Mr. BALL. He was zipping it up as he went out the door?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes.

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #685 on: June 02, 2018, 10:48:08 AM »
On November 22, 1963, Warren "Butch" Burroughs, who ran the concession stand at the Texas Theatre where Oswald was arrested, said that Oswald came into the theater between 1:00 and 1:07 pm; he also claimed he sold Oswald popcorn at 1:15 p.m.

Another case of "which witness do you prefer to believe"!

Oh well, if one takes at face value the words of a half blind woman who, when Oswald allegedly walked through the room, had her back turned to the living room when she was trying to get the TV to work and who was known for making up stuff, I guess one can just as easily accept the words of any witness that says what one wants to hear to fit with the predetermined conclusion.
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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #686 on: June 02, 2018, 10:52:25 AM »
Oswald was seen by numerous witnesses fleeing the scene of the shooting. Mary Brock saw him in the parking lot behind the Texaco service station wearing a jacket. His jacket being found in that parking lot just confirms her statement.

No, he was identified as a person near or some distance away from the scene of the shooting in biased and unfair lineups or from a single photo months later.

You left out the part where all of the witnesses saw Oswald with a gun in his hands.  Honest mistake on your part to leave that out, right?

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #687 on: June 02, 2018, 11:06:46 AM »
On November 22, 1963, Warren "Butch" Burroughs, who ran the concession stand at the Texas Theatre where Oswald was arrested, said that Oswald came into the theater between 1:00 and 1:07 pm; he also claimed he sold Oswald popcorn at 1:15 p.m.

This is wrong, pure and simple.

Burroughs never said anything of the sort on November 22, 1963.

Burroughs made that claim for The Men Who Killed Kennedy (1988).

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Warren Commission testimony, April 8, 1964:

Mr. BALL. Did you see that man come in the theatre?
Mr. BURROUGHS. No, sir; I didn't.

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #688 on: June 02, 2018, 11:28:00 AM »
Earlene was so blind, I'm surprised she even had a television !

Oh, and of course she had her back turned the entire time Saint Oz was leaving the boarding house.

The poor blind woman couldn't have possibly averted her attention from the TV that she was incapable of watching, not even for a moment to vainly try and see who was walking in and out of the house.

And even if she was able to actually turn her head and see Saint Oz she couldn't possibly tell if he was wearing a jacket.

Nope, at best she might have heard someone she assumed to be Saint Oz zipping a jacket.

Ain't that right, kooks ?

EARLENE WASN'T HALF AS BLIND AS THE DROOLING SAINT OZ FANBOIS ARE

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #689 on: June 02, 2018, 12:42:56 PM »
Earlene was so blind, I'm surprised she even had a television !

Oh, and of course she had her back turned the entire time Saint Oz was leaving the boarding house.

The poor blind woman couldn't have possibly averted her attention from the TV that she was incapable of watching, not even for a moment to vainly try and see who was walking in and out of the house.

And even if she was able to actually turn her head and see Saint Oz she couldn't possibly tell if he was wearing a jacket.

Nope, at best she might have heard someone she assumed to be Saint Oz zipping a jacket.

Ain't that right, kooks ?

EARLENE WASN'T HALF AS BLIND AS THE DROOLING SAINT OZ FANBOIS ARE

Earlene was so blind, I'm surprised she even had a television !

The television belonged to the roominghouse. Whether Earlene Roberts had a television of her own is of no signifance.

Oh, and of course she had her back turned the entire time Saint Oz was leaving the boarding house.

Didn't she?

The poor blind woman couldn't have possibly averted her attention from the TV that she was incapable of watching, not even for a moment to vainly try and see who was walking in and out of the house.


Mr. BALL. You were working with the television?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I was trying to clear it up to see what was happening and try to find out about President Kennedy.

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Mr. BALL. When he came in he was in a shirt?
Mrs. ROBERTS. He was in his shirt sleeves.
Mr. BALL. What color was his shirt? Do you know?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I don't remember. I didn't pay that much attention for I was interested in the television trying to get it fixed.

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Mr. BALL. I'll show you this jacket which is Commission Exhibit 162---have you ever seen this jacket before?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, maybe I have, but I don't remember it. It seems like the one he put on was darker than that. Now, I won't be sure, because I really don't know, but is that a zipper jacket?

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Mr. BALL. Does the color of this shirt which I show you here, Commission Exhibit No. 150, look anything like the shirt he had on?
Mrs. ROBERTS. I'm sorry, I just don't know.

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Mr. BALL. Did he have the same colored pants on when he came in as when he went out?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Now, I wouldn't say that because I don't remember-I didn't pay that much attention.
Mr. BALL. Now, did it appear to you he had on the same pants or different pants from the time he came in and when he went out ?
Mr. ROBERTS. Well, I just didn't pay that much attention. All I remember-he was zipping up a coat and I was trying to find out about President Kennedy--I was still trying to find out about President Kennedy-they was broadcasting it then-I was more interested in that.


And even if she was able to actually turn her head and see Saint Oz she couldn't possibly tell if he was wearing a jacket.


Mr. BALL. I'll show you this jacket which is Commission Exhibit 162---have you ever seen this jacket before?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, maybe I have, but I don't remember it. It seems like the one he put on was darker than that. Now, I won't be sure, because I really don't know, but is that a zipper jacket?

Nope, at best she might have heard someone she assumed to be Saint Oz zipping a jacket.

Ain't that right, kooks ?


Earlene Robers is a kook?

Mr. ROBERTS. Well, I just didn't pay that much attention. All I remember-he was zipping up a coat

EARLENE WASN'T HALF AS BLIND AS THE DROOLING SAINT OZ FANBOIS ARE

Mrs. ROBERTS. Well, you know, I can't see too good how to read. I'm completely blind in my right eye.

Buell Wesley Frazier had 20/20 vision and saw Oswald for much longer than Roberts ever did, yet fools like you claim he was wrong about just about everything, but a half blind known story teller who wasn't paying much attention is believed by idiots like yourself and then you call others "kooks".... Go figure!
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