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Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #670 on: May 31, 2018, 07:45:31 PM »
So you claim, but you have not shown this to be correct. Moreover, the DPD disagreed as they listed 279 as UNKNOWN.

https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh20/html/WH_Vol20_0255b.htm


Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #671 on: May 31, 2018, 08:16:48 PM »
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CE 163, the blue zipper jacket, was found in the Book Depository and was identified by Marina Oswald as her husband's.
https://www.maryferrell.org/photos.html?set=NARA-OSWCLOTHES

Regarding the 'witnesses' mentioned earlier....most if not all were shown a New Orleans PD mug shot of Oswald [for some reason] Like the Dallas PD mug shot wouldn't do?  Of course he was dead when their statements were made. They had all long seen the televised information...Oswald did it ..Here's the guy that did it...will you identify him?
 With all these witnesses, why were they not taken in for a real lineup that day?

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #672 on: May 31, 2018, 10:59:34 PM »
It was hanging off of the back of his pants, tucked into his belt.

...and you know this....how?

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #673 on: May 31, 2018, 11:01:45 PM »
Oswald was seen by numerous witnesses fleeing the scene of the shooting. Mary Brock saw him in the parking lot behind the Texaco service station wearing a jacket. His jacket being found in that parking lot just confirms her statement.

No, he was identified as a person near or some distance away from the scene of the shooting in biased and unfair lineups or from a single photo months later.

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #674 on: June 01, 2018, 02:26:23 AM »
279, according to this, was assigned to the "No-Parking Detail". Why would he be in Oak Cliff to supposedly find a jacket?

Next, you have to show that he actually did find the white jacket.

I've never claimed that Griffin found the jacket, so why would I have to show that he actually did?

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #675 on: June 01, 2018, 02:27:11 AM »
Sure, and the person who made the transcript (which one?) couldn't have had the same sheet you attached a link for. Good one.

And your point is?

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #676 on: June 01, 2018, 02:36:13 AM »
From the testimony of Wes Frazier...
 
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Mr. BALL - I have here Commission's 163, a gray blue jacket. Do you recognize this jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't.
Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald wear this jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe I have.

A gray blue jacket?
... or was it a blue gray jacket?
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Mr. BALL - On that day you did notice one article of clothing, that is, he had a jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - What color was the jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - It was a gray, more or less flannel, wool-looking type of jacket that I had seen him wear and that is the type of jacket he had on that morning.
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Mr Ball-That gray jacket you mentioned, did it have any design in it?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir.
Mr. BALL - Was it light or dark gray?
Mr. FRAZIER - It was light gray.
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Mr. BALL - Long sleeves?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL - Buttoned sleeves at the wrist, or do you remember?
Mr. FRAZIER - To be frank with you, I didn't notice that much about the jacket, but I had seen him wear that gray woolen jacket before.
Mr. BALL - You say it had a zipper on it?
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Enough with Joseph Ball and the obsession with Oswald's attire.
Why didn't he just show Frazier the gray jacket [CE 162] so he can identify it?
But he didn't.

Offline Mike Orr

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #677 on: June 01, 2018, 02:55:04 AM »
Did anyone actually see anybody throw a white jacket down on the ground or was this just a jacket that was found as in a white jacket that did not belong to Lee Harvey Oswald.

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #678 on: June 01, 2018, 03:38:48 AM »
Please keep up Tim. The transcript (which one?) said that 279 found the jacket. YOU said that 279 was Griffin, therefore, you have to show that Griffin found the white jacket. Got it now?

The transcript does not say that 279 found the jacket.


Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #679 on: June 01, 2018, 03:40:12 AM »
All of sudden you are conveniently slow. You told Tom that the person who typed the transcript (which one?) didn't know who 279 was, but your sheet shows that they should have IF it is accurate.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/tapes2.htm

It's you being slow, not me. That transcript of the channel one tape was made by JFK assassination researcher Russ Shearer in 1990. It seems likely that he copied the names and numbers from an earlier transcript that also has 279 as "Unknown". There are other "Unknowns" as well. It's likely that the creator of the earlier transcript was not aware of the sheet that I linked to.


 

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