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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #640 on: May 30, 2018, 08:11:44 AM »
Whether Saint Oz was wearing a jacket or not when he was in the cab has no importance. Just like who found the jacket doesn't matter.

What does matter is if Saint Oz was wearing a jacket when he left his room.

If he was, then it's hard to understand why he no longer has a jacket when he's arrested.

The implication that the jacket that was found wasn't his, or was planted is pretty much destroyed by the fibers that matched his arrest shirt in the jacket and the fact that the conspirators would have had to known that Saint Oz wouldn't have had a jacket when he was arrested. The cops woud look pretty dumb arresting someone with a jacket when the suspect they were looking for discarded his after murdering JDT.

I know this is too much common sense for the Ozzie fanbois, but don't let common sense get in the way of your Oz worshipping.

What does matter is if Saint Oz was wearing a jacket when he left his room.

If he was, then it's hard to understand why he no longer has a jacket when he's arrested.


What kind of weird "logic" is this? How can you even be sure that Oswald didn't have jacket at the Texas Theater? How does the fact that he wasn't wearing a jacket when he was arrested justify the conclusion that he didn't have a jacket? What makes you eliminate the possibility that a jacket simply was never found or looked for?

The implication that the jacket that was found wasn't his, or was planted is pretty much destroyed by the fibers that matched his arrest shirt in the jacket

Really? Are you sure you have thought this trough? How can you even begin to be sure that the white jacket that was found at the parking lot was indeed the grey jacket that actually belonged to Oswald?

and the fact that the conspirators would have had to known [sic] that Saint Oz wouldn't have had a jacket when he was arrested.

What makes you think the jacket would have been part of any master plan? What makes you even sure that Oswald didn't have a jacket at the Texas Theater?

The cops woud [sic] look pretty dumb arresting someone with a jacket when the suspect they were looking for discarded his after murdering JDT.

No dumber than when they only rely on a half blind woman (who was concentrating on getting the TV to work and thus had her back turned towards the living room when Oswald walked from his room to the front door in a matter of seconds) to conclude that Oswald did indeed leave the rooming house wearing a jacket in the first place!

I know this is too much common sense for the Ozzie fanbois, but don't let common sense get in the way of your Oz worshipping


Your desperate desire to have Oswald be the lone nut gunman is clouding your judgment. Who cares about the facts (all the facts, that is) when you have already made up your mind, right?
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Online Ray Mitcham

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #641 on: May 30, 2018, 01:25:15 PM »
And Bardwell Odum had Oswald wearing a jacket in the Texas Theatre. So what?

Cite.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #642 on: May 30, 2018, 07:08:39 PM »
Cite.
These WC defenders can swallow camels and still manage to choke on a gnat.
They demand links but hardly ever supply them
Mr everywhere on the scene of every event ..FBI Agent Bard Odum...
He will remind us of Agent Smith in Matrix. If you saw that movie 'Reloaded'...Smith duplicated himself into hundreds of Smiths.

[First I've heard about him mentioning a jacket too.]


   
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Odum was in the TSBD at the time that the murder weapon was found.
Later, Lt. Day drove Odum to the police station with the weapon. Odum
was seen and photographed leaving the building with Day at sometime
close to 1:45 pm.

According to Day, the agent used the car radio to contact his FBI
office to describe the rifle. 4H264, Meager, p.100.

   SA James P. Hosty Jr. mentions the Bard  numerous times, and it is
Hosty who is witness and reporter to the spirit-like nature of SA
Odum.

   It was between 1:45 and 2:00 pm. that Odum and Day made the
delivery to Lt. Day's office at Main and Harwood Streets in downtown
Dallas.
At the very same time, according to Hosty, Bardwell was at the
Texas Theater witnessing the arrest of LHO. Odum, himself made a
statement (HSCA document #01431) describing his observing the arrest.

His statement begins:
"At approximately 2 p.m., November 22, 1963, I was informed by an
unidentified policeman of the DPD that a suspect had been seen
entering the back door of the Texas Theater
. I immediately proceeded
to the Texas Theater...."

   Dallas police radio transcripts reveal that at 1:51 pm. car No. 2
radioed to the dispatcher that they were on their way in with the
suspect
(WR. p, 179).

Talk about double Oswalds, now we have a double Odum.

   In Dallas, the agent was well acquainted with Michael and Ruth
Paine.
Mike called the agent BOB; Ruth called him Mr. Odum and
sometimes Bardwell . From Mike's testimony:
   Mr. Liebeler: Do you remember being interviewed by FBI Agents Odum
and Peggs on Nov. 24?
   Mike: Well, of course, I have seen BOB Odum frequently. Peggs ia an
unfamiliar name. It doesn't mean that he couldn't have been there,
That night I mostly went to the police station. I was introduced to
Odum PRIOR TO THE 22nd.
9H444.

  Ruth felt comfortable enough with "BOB" to visit Marina's bedroom
alone with SA Odum, who was at the Irving home to pick up Lee's
wedding ring for Marina.

3H 111-112, 9H385.

    Ruth also had a conversation with the "Bard"about the General
Walker shooting before there was reason to believe that Lee was
involved,
9H387.

    Ruth: Agent Odum has been out a great deal.
3H106.

    Ruth: I would guess that I reported to MR.ODUM other things-... I
talked with him a great deal.
3H107.

  Lt. Day released the slug from the Walker shooting to the "Bard."
    Day: I released it to the FBI Agent B.D. Odum on Dec.2, 1963
10H273.

Odum says that he never had the Walker bullet.

The early history of the bullet, Commission Exhibit #399, is laid out
in Warren Commission Exhibit #2011. This exhibit consists of a 3-page,
July 7, 1964 FBI letterhead memorandum that was written to the Warren
Commission in response to a Commission request that the Bureau trace
?various items of physical evidence,? among them #399 [Fig. 2].  #2011
relates that, in chasing down the bullet?s chain of possession, FBI
agent Bardwell ODUM took #399 to Darrell Tomlinson and O.P. Wright on
June 12, 1964. The memo asserts that both men told Agent Odum that the
bullet ?appears to be the same one? they found on the day of the
assassination, but that neither could ?positively identify? it.
[Figs. 2, 3]

Mr. Odum said that he had never had any bullet related to the Kennedy
assassination in his possession, whether during the FBI?s
investigation in 1964 or at any other time. Asked whether he might
have forgotten the episode, Mr. Odum remarked that he doubted he would
have ever forgotten investigating so important a piece of evidence.
But even if he had done the work, and later forgotten about it, he
said he would certainly have turned in a ?302? report covering
something that important. Odum?s sensible comment had the ring of
truth. For not only was Odum?s name absent from the FBI?s once secret
files, it was also it difficult to imagine a motive for him to
besmirch the reputation of the agency he had worked for and admired.
http://www.history-matters.com/essays/frameup/EvenMoreMagical/EvenMor...

          Odum interviewed; Mrs. Markham 3H319.
                            Bonnie Williams 3H171-172.
                            Sylvia Odio 11H369.
                            Capt. G.M. Doughty
                            Domingo Benavides
                            Officer J.M. Poe
                            Dr. Paul Mollenhoff, Methodist Hospital
                            Dr. Earl Rose, Parkland
                            Marguerite Oswald

    From the Texas Employment Commission: Helen P. Cunningham
                                          Louise Latham
                                          Robert L. Adams

   Odum made a replica bag from material found in the TSBD
(Dec) and showed it to
Frazier/Randle).
Very crafty guy....Agent Odum
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.assassination.jfk/iNrIeD8aYFc

Agent Odum....too bad he wasn't this keen before a president was killed on his city street.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #643 on: May 30, 2018, 09:30:44 PM »
I clearly explained why the jacket being found BEFORE Saint Oz was arrested is significant.

It's still there for you to see and for anyone else that wants to read it.

No strawman.

Can't help you anymore than that Johnny.

CAN'T FIX STUPID

Typical Howard.  Won't answer the questions.  Thinks that strawmen and insults are sufficient evidence for his claims.

Those crickets are still chirping.

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #644 on: May 30, 2018, 09:34:40 PM »
And Bardwell Odum had Oswald wearing a jacket in the Texas Theatre. So what?

So whether he did or did not have some kind of jacket at any particular time is rather irrelevant isn't it?

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #645 on: May 30, 2018, 09:36:28 PM »
What kind of weird "logic" is this?

Welcome to "common sense" by Howard Gee....

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #646 on: May 30, 2018, 10:52:51 PM »
Whether Saint Oz was wearing a jacket or not when he was in the cab has no importance. Just like who found the jacket doesn't matter.
 
....but don't let common sense get in the way of your Oz worshipping.

 1- Why the psychotic ranting? Keep it civil OK?
 2- Why would someone who was wearing a jacket go home and put on a jacket?
Common sense indeed-----

Offline Matt Grantham

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #647 on: May 30, 2018, 11:46:53 PM »
 Just to backtrack immediately after the assassination Oswald departs just with the white shirt but apparently goes back in to get the brown overshirt?

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #648 on: May 30, 2018, 11:56:45 PM »
Just to backtrack immediately after the assassination Oswald departs just with the white shirt but apparently goes back in to get the brown overshirt?

Whatever it takes.  LOL.

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #649 on: May 31, 2018, 01:35:56 AM »
Of course it is. Chain of custody. Remember?

Chain of custody for an item of evidence doesn't begin until a law enforcement officer takes possession of it.

 

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