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Offline Tim Nickerson

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« Reply #680 on: June 01, 2018, 03:38:48 AM »
Please keep up Tim. The transcript (which one?) said that 279 found the jacket. YOU said that 279 was Griffin, therefore, you have to show that Griffin found the white jacket. Got it now?

The transcript does not say that 279 found the jacket.


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Offline Tim Nickerson

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« Reply #681 on: June 01, 2018, 03:40:12 AM »
All of sudden you are conveniently slow. You told Tom that the person who typed the transcript (which one?) didn't know who 279 was, but your sheet shows that they should have IF it is accurate.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/dpdtapes/tapes2.htm

It's you being slow, not me. That transcript of the channel one tape was made by JFK assassination researcher Russ Shearer in 1990. It seems likely that he copied the names and numbers from an earlier transcript that also has 279 as "Unknown". There are other "Unknowns" as well. It's likely that the creator of the earlier transcript was not aware of the sheet that I linked to.


Online Martin Weidmann

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« Reply #682 on: June 01, 2018, 02:34:35 PM »
If the gray zipper jacket (CE 162) is legitimate, it was in the hands of the police before Oswald was arrested.
Why not give him the opportunity to confirm or deny that it was his property. - they never did

If the gray zipper jacket (CE 162) is legitimate, it was in the hands of the police before Oswald was arrested.

That doesn't have to be the case. The gray jacket (which I believe very likely belonged to Oswald) now in evidence could well have been found during the first search of Ruth Paine's house and used as a substitute for the white jacket found at the carpark.

This possibility alone is exactly why a correct chain of custody is essential. What Tim and his ilk are doing is simply accepting the word of Westbrook ........ because cops don't lie, right?

Offline Bill Brown

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« Reply #683 on: June 02, 2018, 10:18:44 AM »
Julia Postal wasn't sure if he paid or not.  I don't know why the LNers are so sure he didn't.

Johnny Brewer, the only person watching Oswald, said that Oswald did not buy a ticket.

Do you really want to make your stand here?  Really?

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« Reply #684 on: June 02, 2018, 10:28:35 AM »
How can you even be sure that Oswald didn't have jacket at the Texas Theater? How does the fact that he wasn't wearing a jacket when he was arrested justify the conclusion that he didn't have a jacket? What makes you eliminate the possibility that a jacket simply was never found or looked for?

"About 1:30 pm I saw a man standing in the lobby of the shoe store. This man was wearing a brown sport shirt. He also acted as if he was scared." - Johnny Brewer

Mr. BELIN - So you say he was about 5'9"?
Mr. BREWER - About 5'9".
Mr. BELIN - And about 150?
Mr. BREWER - And had brown hair. He had a brown sports shirt on. His shirt tail was out.
Mr. BELIN - Any jacket?
Mr. BREWER - No.

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Offline Bill Brown

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« Reply #685 on: June 02, 2018, 10:41:59 AM »
The implication that the jacket that was found wasn't his, or was planted is pretty much destroyed by the fibers that matched his arrest shirt in the jacket

Really? Are you sure you have thought this trough? How can you even begin to be sure that the white jacket that was found at the parking lot was indeed the grey jacket that actually belonged to Oswald?

and the fact that the conspirators would have had to known [sic] that Saint Oz wouldn't have had a jacket when he was arrested.

What makes you think the jacket would have been part of any master plan? What makes you even sure that Oswald didn't have a jacket at the Texas Theater?

The gray jacket (which I believe very likely belonged to Oswald) now in evidence could well have been found during the first search of Ruth Paine's house and used as a substitute for the white jacket found at the carpark.


Oswald was seen zipping up his jacket by housekeeper Earlene Roberts as he left the rooming house.  Oswald was wearing a jacket when he gunned down J.D. Tippit. 

So, Oswald had his jacket on as he entered the theater and it's a great coincidence that an entirely separate jacket happened to be found along the path known to have been taken by Oswald.  Just how often do you think a jacket is found laying on the ground underneath a car?

Wait.  Sometimes you argue that Oswald was not wearing a jacket when he left the rooming house.  Now you're arguing on behalf of the idea that Oswald had on his jacket as he entered the theater.

Anything to get a cop-killer off the hook, I guess.
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« Reply #686 on: June 02, 2018, 10:44:48 AM »
No dumber than when they only rely on a half blind woman (who was concentrating on getting the TV to work and thus had her back turned towards the living room when Oswald walked from his room to the front door in a matter of seconds) to conclude that Oswald did indeed leave the rooming house wearing a jacket in the first place!

Mr. BALL. It was a zippered jacket, was it?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes; it was a zipper jacket. How come me to remember it, he was zipping it up as he went out the door.
Mr. BALL. He was zipping it up as he went out the door?
Mrs. ROBERTS. Yes.

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« Reply #687 on: June 02, 2018, 10:48:08 AM »
On November 22, 1963, Warren "Butch" Burroughs, who ran the concession stand at the Texas Theatre where Oswald was arrested, said that Oswald came into the theater between 1:00 and 1:07 pm; he also claimed he sold Oswald popcorn at 1:15 p.m.

Another case of "which witness do you prefer to believe"!

Oh well, if one takes at face value the words of a half blind woman who, when Oswald allegedly walked through the room, had her back turned to the living room when she was trying to get the TV to work and who was known for making up stuff, I guess one can just as easily accept the words of any witness that says what one wants to hear to fit with the predetermined conclusion.
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Offline Bill Brown

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« Reply #688 on: June 02, 2018, 10:52:25 AM »
Oswald was seen by numerous witnesses fleeing the scene of the shooting. Mary Brock saw him in the parking lot behind the Texaco service station wearing a jacket. His jacket being found in that parking lot just confirms her statement.

No, he was identified as a person near or some distance away from the scene of the shooting in biased and unfair lineups or from a single photo months later.

You left out the part where all of the witnesses saw Oswald with a gun in his hands.  Honest mistake on your part to leave that out, right?

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« Reply #689 on: June 02, 2018, 11:06:46 AM »
On November 22, 1963, Warren "Butch" Burroughs, who ran the concession stand at the Texas Theatre where Oswald was arrested, said that Oswald came into the theater between 1:00 and 1:07 pm; he also claimed he sold Oswald popcorn at 1:15 p.m.

This is wrong, pure and simple.

Burroughs never said anything of the sort on November 22, 1963.

Burroughs made that claim for The Men Who Killed Kennedy (1988).

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Warren Commission testimony, April 8, 1964:

Mr. BALL. Did you see that man come in the theatre?
Mr. BURROUGHS. No, sir; I didn't.