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Offline Bill Brown

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #10 on: January 18, 2018, 09:47:25 PM »
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If Oswald did not leave the roominghouse wearing a jacket, then who did those Tippit witnesses see running wearing a jacket?

Faulty logic.

The only person who saw Oswald leave the rooming house said that he was zipping up a jacket as he was going out the door.  No one else saw Oswald leave the house.

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« Reply #11 on: January 18, 2018, 09:49:21 PM »
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When you explain how LHO left the TSBD with no jacket but then suddenly had one when Whaley allegedly saw him then we can move onto your point.

We?  You're a funny guy.

I've already moved on to my point without you.  So have others.

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #12 on: January 18, 2018, 10:07:25 PM »
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You've missed the point.

Regardless of whether CE-162 is Oswald's jacket or not (it is), the fact remains that he was seen by a multitude of witnesses (near the scene of the Tippit slaying) wearing a jacket.

Why did he have no jacket on when he was seen by Brewer?

Benevide's description of Tippit's killer doesn't match a photo taken of Oswald while in custody on

11/22/63.

Benevides was across the street from Tippit, 15 feet away, when he was shot and got a better look at the

murderer than any other witness.

Legally, one piece of exculpatory evidence, or in this case witness, can nullify any number of witnesses or

pieces of evidence.

If Tippit's murderer ditched his jacket and Oswald was arrested without a jacket that doesn't make him

the killer.

The found jacket was too big for Ozzie and it contained laundry tags from being commercially cleaned.

Marina did his laundry.

etc. etc. etc.

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #13 on: January 18, 2018, 10:20:20 PM »
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Benevide's description of Tippit's killer doesn't match a photo taken of Oswald while in custody on

11/22/63.

Benevides was across the street from Tippit, 15 feet away, when he was shot and got a better look at the

murderer than any other witness.

Legally, one piece of exculpatory evidence, or in this case witness, can nullify any number of witnesses or

pieces of evidence.

If Tippit's murderer ditched his jacket and Oswald was arrested without a jacket that doesn't make him

the killer.

The found jacket was too big for Ozzie and it contained laundry tags from being commercially cleaned.

Marina did his laundry.

etc. etc. etc.


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Benevide's description of Tippit's killer doesn't match a photo taken of Oswald while in custody on 11/22/63.

Yes, I know... based on his "tapered hairline".  Right?  LOL


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Benevides was across the street from Tippit, 15 feet away, when he was shot and got a better look at the murderer than any other witness.

Markham got just as good a look at the murderer as did Bneavides.

Scoggins, Callaway and Guinyard got just as good a look at the man running from the scene with a gun in his hands as did Benavides.

Benavides never said that the murderer was not Oswald.


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Legally, one piece of exculpatory evidence, or in this case witness, can nullify any number of witnesses or pieces of evidence.

But, there is not even one piece of exculpatory evidence in the case of Tippit's murder by Oswald.

If you choose, name any evidence which you feel is exculpatory and we can discuss it.


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If Tippit's murderer ditched his jacket and Oswald was arrested without a jacket that doesn't make him the killer.

True.  Simply ditching a jacket doesn't automatically mean one is guilty of killing a police officer.

Oswald was seen by at least eight witnesses running from the scene with a gun in his hands and wearing a jacket.  Can you explain why Oswald would ditch his jacket?


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The found jacket was too big for Ozzie and it contained laundry tags from being commercially cleaned.

This argument is almost almost as lame as the tapered hairline argument.

The jacket was a size medium.  Oswald was a size small.  God forbid (with apologies to John Iacoletti) a small man should ever wear a medium sized jacket.

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« Reply #14 on: January 18, 2018, 10:22:13 PM »
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Of course you have since your points require absolutely NO supporting evidence at all.

The jacket found was WHITE. Live with it.

Why did Oswald ditch his jacket?  Whether it was white, gray, black, bright yellow or lime green, why take it off and discard it?

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Re: Oswald's Jacket
« Reply #15 on: January 18, 2018, 10:25:09 PM »
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Yes, I know... based on his "tapered hairline".  Right?  LOL


Markham got just as good a look at the murderer as did Bneavides.

Scoggins, Callaway and Guinyard got just as good a look at the man running from the scene with a gun in his hands as did Benavides.

Benavides never said that the murderer was not Oswald.


But, there is not even one piece of exculpatory evidence in the case of Tippit's murder by Oswald.

If you choose, name any evidence which you feel is exculpatory and we can discuss it.


True.  Simply ditching a jacket doesn't automatically mean one is guilty of killing a police officer.

Oswald was seen by at least eight witnesses running from the scene with a gun in his hands and wearing a jacket.  Can you explain why Oswald would ditch his jacket?


This argument is almost almost as lame as the tapered hairline argument.

The jacket was a size medium.  Oswald was a size small.  God forbid (with apologies to John Iacoletti) a small man should ever wear a medium sized jacket.


"The jacket was a size medium.  Oswald was a size small.  God forbid (with apologies to John Iacoletti) a small man should ever wear a medium sized jacket."

So which of the witnesses described Tippit"s murderer wearing an oversized jacket?

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« Reply #16 on: January 18, 2018, 10:26:35 PM »
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"The jacket was a size medium.  Oswald was a size small.  God forbid (with apologies to John Iacoletti) a small man should ever wear a medium sized jacket."

So which of the witnesses described Tippit"s murderer wearing an oversized jacket?

Oversized?  From small to medium?  LOL

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« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2018, 10:28:59 PM »
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Oversized?  From small to medium?  LOL

I'll take that as none.

Not one alleged witness described Ozzie wearing a jacket that was too big.

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« Reply #18 on: January 18, 2018, 10:46:30 PM »
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I'll take that as none.

Not one alleged witness described Ozzie wearing a jacket that was too big.




Mr. BELIN - What did you see then?
Mr. BENAVIDES - I then pulled on up and I seen this officer standing by the door. The door was open to the car, and I was pretty close to him, and I seen Oswald, or the man that shot him, standing on the other side of the car.


Mr. BELIN. Did you see anything else as you heard her screaming?
Mrs. V DAVIS. Well, we saw Oswald. We didn't know it was Oswald at the time. We saw that boy cut across the lawn emptying the shells out of the gun.

Mr. BALL. Did you recognize anyone in that room?
Mrs. B DAVIS. Yes, sir. I recognized number 2.

Mr. CALLAWAY. No. And he said, "We want to be sure, we want to try to wrap him up real tight on killing this officer. We think he is the same one that shot the President. But if we can wrap him up tight on killing this officer, we have got him." So they brought four men in.
I stepped to the back of the room, so I could kind of see him from the same distance which I had seen him before. And when he came out, I knew him.
Mr. BALL. You mean he looked like the same man?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.

Mr. BALL. Then what did you do?
Mr. GUINYARD. I was looking--trying to see and after I heard the third shot, then Oswald came through on Patton running---came right through the yard in front of the big white house---there's a big two-story white house---there's two of them there and he come through the one right on the corner of Patton.

Mr. LIEBELER. Let me show you some pictures that we have here. I show you a picture that has been marked Garner Exhibit No. 1 and ask you if that is the man that you saw going down the street on the 22d of November as you have already told us.
Mr.REYNOLDS. Yes.


Mr. BELIN. Four? Did any one of the people look anything like strike that. Did you identify anyone in the lineup?
Mr. SCOGGINS. I identified the one we are talking about, Oswald. I identified him.


RUSSELL positively identified a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, New Orleans Police Department # 112723, taken August 9, 1963, as being identical with the individual he had observed at the scene of the shooting of Dallas Police Officer J.D. TIPPIT on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, at Dallas, Texas.
 

Mr. BALL. What about number two, what did you mean when you said number two?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Number two was the man I saw shoot the policeman.




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« Reply #19 on: January 18, 2018, 10:48:42 PM »
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Mr. BELIN - What did you see then?
Mr. BENAVIDES - I then pulled on up and I seen this officer standing by the door. The door was open to the car, and I was pretty close to him, and I seen Oswald, or the man that shot him, standing on the other side of the car.


Mr. BELIN. Did you see anything else as you heard her screaming?
Mrs. V DAVIS. Well, we saw Oswald. We didn't know it was Oswald at the time. We saw that boy cut across the lawn emptying the shells out of the gun.

Mr. BALL. Did you recognize anyone in that room?
Mrs. B DAVIS. Yes, sir. I recognized number 2.

Mr. CALLAWAY. No. And he said, "We want to be sure, we want to try to wrap him up real tight on killing this officer. We think he is the same one that shot the President. But if we can wrap him up tight on killing this officer, we have got him." So they brought four men in.
I stepped to the back of the room, so I could kind of see him from the same distance which I had seen him before. And when he came out, I knew him.
Mr. BALL. You mean he looked like the same man?
Mr. CALLAWAY. Yes.

Mr. BALL. Then what did you do?
Mr. GUINYARD. I was looking--trying to see and after I heard the third shot, then Oswald came through on Patton running---came right through the yard in front of the big white house---there's a big two-story white house---there's two of them there and he come through the one right on the corner of Patton.

Mr. LIEBELER. Let me show you some pictures that we have here. I show you a picture that has been marked Garner Exhibit No. 1 and ask you if that is the man that you saw going down the street on the 22d of November as you have already told us.
Mr.REYNOLDS. Yes.


Mr. BELIN. Four? Did any one of the people look anything like strike that. Did you identify anyone in the lineup?
Mr. SCOGGINS. I identified the one we are talking about, Oswald. I identified him.


RUSSELL positively identified a photograph of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, New Orleans Police Department # 112723, taken August 9, 1963, as being identical with the individual he had observed at the scene of the shooting of Dallas Police Officer J.D. TIPPIT on the afternoon of November 22, 1963, at Dallas, Texas.
 

Mr. BALL. What about number two, what did you mean when you said number two?
Mrs. MARKHAM. Number two was the man I saw shoot the policeman.



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But John, the jacket was a Medium, not a Small.  LOL

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