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Who was the, supposed, "Secret Service" identification-flashing "agent" that policeman Smith suddenly encountered within 1 to 2 minutes behind the grassy knoll picket fence?

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Offline Susan Wilde

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Hi Barry, can you please be  clearer for everyone than the fuzzy, zoomed-in film frames you posted,  and  simply arrow-point-out  (or simply circle)  in much clearer aftermath, zoomed-in  film frames  exactly which person you  believe  is DPD patrolman  Joe Marshall Smith  by-passing the much closer TSBD, while he was running towards his  gun smoke smelling encounter atop the  grassy knoll, behind the North Pergola with the Secret Service  identification-flashing,  fake "agent"?

Also, do you know how many seconds after the last shot that the 'Couch film' frames was started to be captured that reveal for us the TSBD and Houston-Elm intersection north curb witnesses?
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Offline Susan Wilde

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Thank you Jerry. I have prior read the  outstanding  Lancer  referenced research article, and just read the  lonegunmanmyth  referenced research article.

Within minutes,  DP witness and Dallas police sergeant  David Harkness  also encountered  multiple  "secret service"-claiming 'agents'  (even though afterward,  ALL  of the  Real  Secret Service Agents were driven to, and, were located only @ Parkland Hospital)
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Deputy Sheriff Weitzman did an interview with researcher Michael Canfield years after the assassination. During the interview Weitzman was shown a picture of Bernard Barker and Weitzman said, "Yes, that's him."

According to Weitzman, Barker was the man who showed him SS credentials behind the fence that Patrolman Smith saw. It has been written that Barker went nowhere without E.H. Hunt being there also.

 Another gem Rob thanks He certainly fits in well with the suspected gang Did he ever make a statement where he was that day?

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        Let's remember that when Sitzman was interviewed by Tink Thompson for his 1966 groundbreaking "Six Seconds In Dallas", she told him that she spoke with an FBI Agent at the Top of the Knoll who Did ID himself as such.

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        Let's remember that when Sitzman was interviewed by Tink Thompson for his 1966 groundbreaking "Six Seconds In Dallas", she told him that she spoke with an FBI Agent at the Top of the Knoll who Did ID himself as such.

Royell,  I have  "SSID" (in hardback, and, the later paperback)  but do not recall reading that Sitzman said that.  What is the  "SSID"  reference page # for her saying that?

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Royell,  I have  "SSID" (in hardback, and, the later paperback)  but do not recall reading that Sitzman said that.  What is the  "SSID"  reference page # for her saying that?

        The interview of Sitzman conducted by Thompson for his "Six Seconds In Dallas" book was NOT published in its' Entirety in his book. Simply google, "Sitzman Thompson interview" and click on the Mcadams Link. (It is the 1st Link listed). Another revealing part of the Sitzman interview is her telling Thompson that from their Elevated position, she and Zapruder could See the JFK Limo turning onto Houston and progressing down Houston and then turning onto Elm St. Their being able to view the progression of the JFK Limo down Houston and then turning onto Elm flies in the face of the gap in the Current Zapruder Film between the DPD Cops turning the corner onto Elm and then the JFK Limo SUDDENLY Popping onto the film and already heading down Elm St. There are other Revelations in this interview which was conducted roughly 2 years following the JFK assassination. Sitzman's eyewitness recollections should have still been fresh and Not subject to outside pressure/shaping at that point in time.

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Hi Barry, can you please be  clearer for everyone than the fuzzy, zoomed-in film frames you posted,  and  simply arrow-point-out  (or simply circle)  in much clearer aftermath, zoomed-in  film frames  exactly which person you  believe  is DPD patrolman  Joe Marshall Smith  by-passing the much closer TSBD, while he was running towards his  gun smoke smelling encounter atop the  grassy knoll, behind the North Pergola with the Secret Service  identification-flashing,  fake "agent"?

Also, do you know how many seconds after the last shot that the 'Couch film' frames was started to be captured that reveal for us the TSBD and Houston-Elm intersection north curb witnesses?


Susan, sorry I missed this... the Couch that I grabbed those frames from was the best I had available a stabilzed gif from Gerda which was focusing on something else and would never have noticed this person without it(blink and you miss him on the extreme right in the real thinghttps://youtu.be/S6l410TFK4c?t=14m47s but he's still there, freeze that frame )and I think I've made it quite clear already but if it helps he's on the right in both frames coming from behind the concrete pillar/monument, he's only seen in those two frames and I posted focused crops of both. I also posted a blow-up of the man and yes it's a bit blurry but I think it helps see the white cap on his head.

As for the timing well, first watch the same cop heading for his area/in this direction, his appearance from behind the pillar is mear seconds later it's all in the same unedited Couch clip.
Thirty seconds after Z313 approx is when Couch looks down the street and we see Hargis still on the north sidewalk about to cross back to his bike. So IMHO Smith came from the Houston intersection right past the TSBD and headed for Elm proper via this little walled off area, in fact I think it's obvious, The only problem is the idea that he probably had to head straight down the extension toward the knoll in order to bump into the "Agent".  If and it's a big if, he's already been told by a woman where to look, that still doesn't mean he didn't head toward the street first, I think he did and I think Couch/Gerda proves it. That's all if it's Smith of course... and if you think that's him in Couch then you'll eventuallly realise that in there we see him heading for Elm and not directly toward the GK/RRY.

Fwiw I believe him too but I think instinct sent him toward Elm first, then he went toward the RRY, how long after this clip I have no idea, perhaps less than 20s later or maybe even 30. Haygood is in the same clip still on his bike, in less than 10s he will try to mount the sidewalk on either pure instinct or that radio message, despite what he said about people pointing that way, he failed of course but within 25s of Couch he will be running up the knoll toward the Underpass which sent everyone following him including the previously unmoveable Robert Jackson.
Haygood claimed that people pointed him toward the knoll too, literally "pointing that way" but there is no evidence of this anywhere, all evidence suggests he himself was the first and everyone reacted to him. I'd like to know when exactly Smith was directed toward the knoll but I'm fine with the fact that it may have came from a woman still stood on Elm.

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Susan, sorry I missed this... the Couch that I grabbed those frames from was the best I had available a stabilzed gif from Gerda which was focusing on something else and would never have noticed this person without it(blink and you miss him on the extreme right in the real thinghttps://youtu.be/S6l410TFK4c?t=14m47s but he's still there, freeze that frame )and I think I've made it quite clear already but if it helps he's on the right in both frames coming from behind the concrete pillar/monument, he's only seen in those two frames and I posted focused crops of both. I also posted a blow-up of the man and yes it's a bit blurry but I think it helps see the white cap on his head.

As for the timing well, first watch the same cop heading for his area/in this direction, his appearance from behind the pillar is mear seconds later it's all in the same unedited Couch clip.
Thirty seconds after Z313 approx is when Couch looks down the street and we see Hargis still on the north sidewalk about to cross back to his bike. So IMHO Smith came from the Houston intersection right past the TSBD and headed for Elm proper via this little walled off area, in fact I think it's obvious, The only problem is the idea that he probably had to head straight down the extension toward the knoll in order to bump into the "Agent".  If and it's a big if, he's already been told by a woman where to look, that still doesn't mean he didn't head toward the street first, I think he did and I think Couch/Gerda proves it. That's all if it's Smith of course... and if you think that's him in Couch then you'll eventuallly realise that in there we see him heading for Elm and not directly toward the GK/RRY.

Fwiw I believe him too but I think instinct sent him toward Elm first, then he went toward the RRY, how long after this clip I have no idea, perhaps less than 20s later or maybe even 30. Haygood is in the same clip still on his bike, in less than 10s he will try to mount the sidewalk on either pure instinct or that radio message, despite what he said about people pointing that way, he failed of course but within 25s of Couch he will be running up the knoll toward the Underpass which sent everyone following him including the previously unmoveable Robert Jackson.
Haygood claimed that people pointed him toward the knoll too, literally "pointing that way" but there is no evidence of this anywhere, all evidence suggests he himself was the first and everyone reacted to him. I'd like to know when exactly Smith was directed toward the knoll but I'm fine with the fact that it may have came from a woman still stood on Elm.

       If you look Closely at the route that Officer Haygood took after managing to stand his motorcycle up at the curb, he crosses the sidewalk and heads STRAIGHT UP THE KNOLL. Haygood runs Directly Toward the picket fence at the Top of the knoll. When Haygood is at a position on the Knoll that is higher than the Fort Worth sign, he Suddenly Veers to his Left and runs Diagonally up the Knoll toward the Triple Underpass.  Something attracted Haygood's attention prompting him to Abruptly change his intended destination of the picket fence/parking lot. That Something diverted him to the Top of the Triple Underpass/Railyard area. 

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Hi Royell,
even if he had ran straight for the fence and climbed over it, what would have been his motivation? The radio message to get up there and see what's going on is the only one I can think of because I see no one pointing that way and no evidence of anyone going in that direction before him.
Which film tells  you he was heading initially for the fence? I've never noticed that.

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Hi Royell,
even if he had ran straight for the fence and climbed over it, what would have been his motivation? The radio message to get up there and see what's going on is the only one I can think of because I see no one pointing that way and no evidence of anyone going in that direction before him.
Which film tells  you he was heading initially for the fence? I've never noticed that.

    Good copies of the Bell Film and the Hughes Film will give you a view of the initial route UP the knoll taken by Officer Haygood. In the Hughes Film after Haygood emerges from behind the Fort Worth sign, you can even see an eyewitness in street clothes heading UP the knoll to the West/Left of The Steps. This sequence in both films was taken amidst the camera cars traveling down Elm St/East of the Triple Underpass, and is allegedly less than 1 minute following the assassination. This would be extremely early for any member of the general public to physically be on that section of the Knoll and moving UP toward the picket fence. I believe this eyewitness is a still unidentified Lone Wolf. As technology improves providing us with relatively Detailed JFK assassination films and photographs, the more it becomes obvious that many pieces to this puzzle are missing. 

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