Roger Craig

[Walt Cakebread]

Mr. BALL - And when you did look down there between the cartons, was the gun----
Mr. MOONEY - It was sitting in that position. The scope was up.
Mr. BALL - As shown in 514?
Mr. MOONEY - Yes, sir. That is the way it was laying, in that position.
Senator COOPER - It was lying on the floor?
Mr. MOONEY - Yes, sir.
Senator COOPER - With the scope on the upper side?
Mr. MOONEY - The scope in upright position. The stock was back to the east. In other words, the gun was pointed west.

Later addition:
Tom Alyea reports that Day slid the rifle out from under the boxes before he picked it up.
Day sliding it out wasn't filmed.
Day picking it up is the film we see

Day sliding it out wasn't filmed.
Day picking it up is the film we see



Day sliding it out wasn't filmed.....  Day could not have slid the rifle out, because the butt of the 40 inch long rifle was about 24 inches from the west wall.  You cannot slide a 40 inch long rifle into a space of 24 inches....  However As Day picks the rifle up he does appear to pull the rifle back toward the wall .   It's very obvious that the carcano is lying on it's right side with the sling that is mounted on the left side of the stock, up.    Day simply reaches down and grabs the leather sling and pulls the rifle out from between the boxes.

[Mark A. Oblazney]

Craig was a nut.... period !!!  Next case.....

[Walt Cakebread]

Craig was a nut.... period !!!  Next case.....

Just like Lee Oswald and Arnold Rowland were nuts...... That's a pretty easy way to dismiss anybody that disagrees with you....

[Walt Cakebread]

Mr. BALL - And when you did look down there between the cartons, was the gun----
Mr. MOONEY - It was sitting in that position. The scope was up.
Mr. BALL - As shown in 514?
Mr. MOONEY - Yes, sir. That is the way it was laying, in that position.
Senator COOPER - It was lying on the floor?
Mr. MOONEY - Yes, sir.
Senator COOPER - With the scope on the upper side?
Mr. MOONEY - The scope in upright position. The stock was back to the east. In other words, the gun was pointed west.

Later addition:


Day sliding it out wasn't filmed.
Day picking it up is the film we see

Look at the 40  / 45 second point and notice that the butt plate of the rifle is horizontal as Lt Day grabs the sling and starts to pick up the Carcano.    This is the way the rifle was positioned when Detective Studebaker took the original in situ photo as he squatted atop the boxes of books ( seen in the first few frames of Alyea's video) 

[Walt Cakebread]

"The E port was NOT downward when the rifle was found..the rifle was lying on it's right side.....However the E Port is down in the fake in stu photo."

The picture of the rifle you are calling fake is CE 514. This was shown to Boone during his WC testimony and he confirmed that was exactly how the rifle was when he found it.
I'm wondering whether CE 514 was just a close-up portion of CE 517:



This appears to be the same pic but taken from further away. In it we can see, what I presume is Day's knee as he takes the photo.

Craig is also adamant the Day pics were taken before the rifle was moved

Mr. BELIN - The weapon was moved by the time the pictures were taken?
Mr. CRAIG - No; no. The pictures were taken as the weapon was found lying here.

I think you may be wrong about the rifle being found lying on its side.

This appears to be the same pic but taken from further away. In it we can see, what I presume is Day's knee as he takes the photo.

Sorry Dan, you've been deceived.....The conspirators placed that knee in the photo to trick the viewer into believing that the photo is the authentic in situ photo.....If you'll look at the first couple of frames of Tom Alyea's film You'll see Detective Studebaker perched atop a sack of boxes and taking the original in situ photo.... And Studebaker does not have his knee in the way of the scene.   

Look at the position of the rifle at the 31 /32 second point in the slow motion film.....Notice that the butt plate is horizontal as Lt Day starts to lift the carcano by the leather sling.....THAT is the original position just a Roger Craig said...Craig was right, the rifle was lying on it's right side with the sling side up and the scope also up (because the scope was mounted off set to the left)

It was NOT standing with the butt plate vertical as shown in CE 514, which is a fake in situ pho created by the DPD.

[Dan O'meara]

This appears to be the same pic but taken from further away. In it we can see, what I presume is Day's knee as he takes the photo.

Sorry Dan, you've been deceived.....The conspirators placed that knee in the photo to trick the viewer into believing that the photo is the authentic in situ photo.....If you'll look at the first couple of frames of Tom Alyea's film You'll see Detective Studebaker perched atop a sack of boxes and taking the original in situ photo.... And Studebaker does not have his knee in the way of the scene.   

Look at the position of the rifle at the 31 /32 second point in the slow motion film.....Notice that the butt plate is horizontal as Lt Day starts to lift the carcano by the leather sling.....THAT is the original position just a Roger Craig said...Craig was right, the rifle was lying on it's right side with the sling side up and the scope also up (because the scope was mounted off set to the left)

It was NOT standing with the butt plate vertical as shown in CE 514, which is a fake in situ pho created by the DPD.

This Gif is from earlier in the Alyea film.
The first clip shows Fritz stepping into the area containing the rifle.
The second clip shows the butt plate end of the rifle in the upright position.
The third clip shows Fritz standing up after, presumably, inspecting the rifle in situ.

[Walt Cakebread]

This Gif is from earlier in the Alyea film.
The first clip shows Fritz stepping into the area containing the rifle.
The second clip shows the butt plate end of the rifle in the upright position.
The third clip shows Fritz standing up after, presumably, inspecting the rifle in situ.

The second clip shows the butt plate end of the rifle in the upright position.

I cannot see the butt plate of the rifle......Could you post a screen shot?

[Dan O'meara]

The second clip shows the butt plate end of the rifle in the upright position.

I cannot see the butt plate of the rifle......Could you post a screen shot?

Use the small white cloth for reference. In the pic below the cloth tapers to a distinct point at the 'bottom' (ie: the part of the cloth farthest away from the rifle).
The part of the cloth nearest the rifle tapers but  doesn't quite come to a point, there is a flat spot.



In the screenshot below the same cloth can be seen. It tapers to a point farthest away from the rifle but the line of the upright rifle cuts off the taper we see in the pic above.
The vertical line of the left side of the butt plate end can be clearly discerned: