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Offline Jack Trojan

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Re: Roger Craig
« Reply #440 on: February 20, 2021, 02:44:26 AM »
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The Alyea footage does seem staged. Day would have had to move the boxes to get at the rifle, which Alyea never captured. It's as if Day waited for his cue to pick up the rifle. The rifle must have flipped over as they moved the boxes, which demonstrates more reckless handling of the evidence. Those guys were the Keystone Cops of the coup.

It must have been nice for the DPD not to actually have to apply any forensics to the evidence. They only needed to pretend to solve the case in record time. That's why they had a total disregard for the evidence. They should have at least pretended a little harder than they did. They were staging photos of the crime scene (Fritz staged the photo of the hulls in the SN), planting evidence, mishandling evidence, sheep-dipping Oswald, delivering Oswald to Ruby. The screw up with the Mauser was par for the course.

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« Reply #440 on: February 20, 2021, 02:44:26 AM »


Online Dan O'meara

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« Reply #441 on: February 20, 2021, 01:05:51 PM »
At the very beginning of the clip the rifle is out of sight so we can't tell what's happening down there.

No, that's not correct.... The rifle's metal butt plate is clearly visible.   Dan, can you do a freeze frame at the beginning of the film?

Day he is already crouching down with his hands on or near the rifle.

Yes, that's true....But,  I don't believe he has touched the rifle at the very beginning of the film.

Dan, I don't believe I've ever seen a better copy of Alyea's film....  That metal butt plate on the rifle is very obviously HORIZONTAL.... Look under Lt Day's left elbow just as he starts to lift the rifle.

This Gif shows the first few frames from the moment Day appears on the Alyea film slowed down.
His hands are down where the rifle is.
The rifle is out of view.
The Alyea film does not tell us the rifle was lying down when Day picked it up.
I believe, after moving some boxes about, Day reached over the rifle and grabbed the strap.
The second he pulled the strap the rifle flipped to the horizontal position.
To a certain extent I imagine the scene has been staged but only in terms of telling Alyea to come and film the moment the rifle is picked up - 3..2..1..Action!




The photos are real.
The rifle is found in an upright position.
Somehow the clip is still inside.
Alyea films the moment the rifle is picked up.
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Re: Roger Craig
« Reply #442 on: February 20, 2021, 02:20:13 PM »
Wow!!... Great Copy of Alyea's film,  Dan....   I don't wish to insult you but maybe you don't know what you're seeing....I can see the metal butt plate in the horizontal position just prior to Lt Lifting the rifle by the leather sling.

Excuse my ignorance on this matter Walt but I can't find a pic that satisfactorily answers this question - Does the Carcano have a metal butt plate?

Later edit: Ignore the above question, I've found a pic that does appear to show such a plate.
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Re: Roger Craig
« Reply #443 on: February 20, 2021, 07:49:35 PM »
Excuse my ignorance on this matter Walt but I can't find a pic that satisfactorily answers this question - Does the Carcano have a metal butt plate?

Later edit: Ignore the above question, I've found a pic that does appear to show such a plate.

Dan the film clip is now no longer the same clip that you posted earlier.....  I downloaded that earlier film clip and I know it is more detailed than the one now being presented.      What's the idea?   
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Re: Roger Craig
« Reply #444 on: February 20, 2021, 08:23:13 PM »
The Alyea footage does seem staged. Day would have had to move the boxes to get at the rifle, which Alyea never captured. It's as if Day waited for his cue to pick up the rifle. The rifle must have flipped over as they moved the boxes, which demonstrates more reckless handling of the evidence. Those guys were the Keystone Cops of the coup.

It must have been nice for the DPD not to actually have to apply any forensics to the evidence. They only needed to pretend to solve the case in record time. That's why they had a total disregard for the evidence. They should have at least pretended a little harder than they did. They were staging photos of the crime scene (Fritz staged the photo of the hulls in the SN), planting evidence, mishandling evidence, sheep-dipping Oswald, delivering Oswald to Ruby. The screw up with the Mauser was par for the course.

The screw up with the Mauser was par for the course.

Explain.......

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« Reply #444 on: February 20, 2021, 08:23:13 PM »


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Re: Roger Craig
« Reply #445 on: February 20, 2021, 08:39:31 PM »
This Gif shows the first few frames from the moment Day appears on the Alyea film slowed down.
His hands are down where the rifle is.
The rifle is out of view.
The Alyea film does not tell us the rifle was lying down when Day picked it up.
I believe, after moving some boxes about, Day reached over the rifle and grabbed the strap.
The second he pulled the strap the rifle flipped to the horizontal position.
To a certain extent I imagine the scene has been staged but only in terms of telling Alyea to come and film the moment the rifle is picked up - 3..2..1..Action!




The photos are real.
The rifle is found in an upright position.
Somehow the clip is still inside.
Alyea films the moment the rifle is picked up.





Why did you cut the frames that show the butt plate horizontal??
« Last Edit: February 20, 2021, 09:24:00 PM by Walt Cakebread »

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Re: Roger Craig
« Reply #446 on: February 20, 2021, 09:41:00 PM »
This Gif shows the first few frames from the moment Day appears on the Alyea film slowed down.
His hands are down where the rifle is.
The rifle is out of view.
The Alyea film does not tell us the rifle was lying down when Day picked it up.

Day obviously laid it down, but it was already laying down before this sequence, probably when Day first moved the boxes to expose the rifle, whenever that was.

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I believe, after moving some boxes about, Day reached over the rifle and grabbed the strap.
The second he pulled the strap the rifle flipped to the horizontal position.

Nope. Day had both hands on the rifle and picked it up from its laying position on the floor. Note how the top of the stock rotated toward him as he picked it up. The rifle would have rotated the other way if Day picked it up by the strap only and flipped it on its side. His right hand rotated the rifle toward him before he grabbed the strap and picked it up.

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To a certain extent I imagine the scene has been staged but only in terms of telling Alyea to come and film the moment the rifle is picked up - 3..2..1..Action!

That's right, but the DPD planted the rifle there ahead of time and Fritz managed to remove the Mauser from the scene after Craig read "7.65" off the barrel. Only then was Alyea permitted to document the staged discovery of the MC.

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The photos are real.
The rifle is found in an upright position.
Somehow the clip is still inside.
Alyea films the moment the rifle is picked up.


Alyea appeared to film the cameraman as he took the photos but we have no idea whether those photos are the ones he took. I don't think they were, otherwise, where is the strap? And 2 lousy token pics of the MC in situ? That's a joke. Was Fritz relying on Alyea to document the crime scene? Fritz was in total control of documenting the staged evidence and he choreographed everything. We have no idea how the Alyea film was spliced together for the final presentation. Alyea sure as hell ain't talking. He had to be complicit in the whole thing. No way would Fritz allow a freelancer to document their staged investigation. No way! We can't trust the sequence of events as depicted in the Alyea film by any stretch of the imagination.

Don't forget that the DPD (Roscoe White in particular) were darkroom specialists assigned to sheep-dip Oswald with the backyard photos, to connect him to the rifle. The DPD obviously had access to the rifle, which they later planted in the TSBD. The DPD also created CE-399 by firing the rifle into a swimming pool then retrieving it so it could magically show up on the wrong stretcher with no DNA on it in pristine condition. The DPD would later set up Oswald for Ruby to take out to remove any connection to him. Oswald knew full well that the DPD were up to their eyeballs in the Big Event.
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« Reply #446 on: February 20, 2021, 09:41:00 PM »


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Re: Roger Craig
« Reply #447 on: February 20, 2021, 09:59:07 PM »


Why did you cut the frames that show the butt plate horizontal??

Dan was only isolating the section where Day 1st reached down for the rifle. He thinks Day grabbed the strap and flipped the rifle on its side before lifting it up. He's just wrong, not trying to deceive you. However, Day could have tipped the rifle forward so he could grab the strap, which is mysteriously missing from the only 2 in-situ photos taken of the murder weapon for the crime of the century.

Here is a slowed down section showing the butt plate.


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