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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #152 on: September 10, 2018, 04:04:20 PM »
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That's helpful, 2-shot Jack
And tell us Rowland's motivation

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
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Offline Howard Gee

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #153 on: September 10, 2018, 04:27:19 PM »
OK, let's assume that Arnie saw a gunman on the 6th floor. Since he asked Babs if she wanted to see a Secret Service agent, that's a reasonable assumption.

Now, he could have been wrong, just like he was mistaken about the age of the person on the other end of the floor. Or about how far the guman was from the window.

But let's say he was right.

What precludes the gunman from seeing BRW before BRW sees him? After all, Arnie only saw the gunman for a few seconds.

BRW is busy munching on his sammich and looking out the window, right ?

Maybe the gunman retreats into the stairwell contemplating what to do next and then luckily for him, BRW departs to join his buddies - and the plan is back on.

Possible ?

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #154 on: September 10, 2018, 05:59:41 PM »


It's been pointed that if Williams was in the SN corner, he couldn't see over to the SW corner (above: view at SW corner looking east). Rowlands thought the two people below the SN window were two black women! So it's anyone's guess what he actually saw.

Could have been Oswald in the SN being really quiet because Williams was in the set of windows to the west eating his lunch. Rowlands didn't notice Williams who was behind closed windows. Doughtery is the "rifleman" in the SW corner, maybe examining a metallic piece of equipment at the work site in that corner.

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #155 on: September 10, 2018, 06:22:46 PM »
  Rowlands thought the two people below the SN window were two black women! 
Where did he say that?

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #156 on: September 10, 2018, 06:31:40 PM »
Where did he say that?
Mr. ROWLAND - Here I know there were two Negro women, I think.
Mr. SPECTER - Indicating window "0." You say two Negro women?
Mr. ROWLAND - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - And were those women each in one window, both in one window or what?
Mr. ROWLAND - They were one in each window.

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Offline Ray Mitcham

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #157 on: September 10, 2018, 06:37:04 PM »


It's been pointed that if Williams was in the SN corner, he couldn't see over to the SW corner (above: view at SW corner looking east). Rowlands thought the two people below the SN window were two black women! So it's anyone's guess what he actually saw

You should read the testimony more closely, Jerry. The two black women he saw he said were on the second floor.

"Mr. ROWLAND - Those pair of windows. I think this was all on that floor.
Here on this floor.
Mr. SPECTER - Indicating the second floor?
Mr. ROWLAND - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - Circle the windows and mark it with a "0" if you will.
Mr. ROWLAND - I think it was this pair immediately over the door, and this pair.
Mr. SPECTER - Mark one "0" and one "D," if you will.
(Witness marking.)

Mr. ROWLAND - Here I know there were two Negro women, I think.
Mr. SPECTER - Indicating window "0." You say two Negro women?
Mr. ROWLAND - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - And were those women each in one window, both in one window or what?
Mr. ROWLAND - They were one in each window. Then at the window "D" there was one, one window open.
Mr. SPECTER - Which was that, indicate that by an arrow, if you please.
(Witness marking.)

Mr. ROWLAND - Here I know there were two Negro women, I think.
Mr. SPECTER - Indicating window "0." You say two Negro women?
Mr. ROWLAND - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - And were those women each in one window, both in one window or what?
Mr. ROWLAND - They were one in each window. Then at the window "D" there was one, one window open.
Mr. SPECTER - Which was that, indicate that by an arrow, if you please.

(Witness marking.)
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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #158 on: September 10, 2018, 06:59:02 PM »
You should read the testimony more closely, Jerry. The two black women he saw he said were on the second floor.

"Mr. ROWLAND - Those pair of windows. I think this was all on that floor.
Here on this floor.
Mr. SPECTER - Indicating the second floor?
Mr. ROWLAND - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - Circle the windows and mark it with a "0" if you will.
Mr. ROWLAND - I think it was this pair immediately over the door, and this pair.
Mr. SPECTER - Mark one "0" and one "D," if you will.
(Witness marking.)

Mr. ROWLAND - Here I know there were two Negro women, I think.
Mr. SPECTER - Indicating window "0." You say two Negro women?
Mr. ROWLAND - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - And were those women each in one window, both in one window or what?
Mr. ROWLAND - They were one in each window. Then at the window "D" there was one, one window open.
Mr. SPECTER - Which was that, indicate that by an arrow, if you please.
(Witness marking.)

Mr. ROWLAND - Here I know there were two Negro women, I think.
Mr. SPECTER - Indicating window "0." You say two Negro women?
Mr. ROWLAND - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - And were those women each in one window, both in one window or what?
Mr. ROWLAND - They were one in each window. Then at the window "D" there was one, one window open.
Mr. SPECTER - Which was that, indicate that by an arrow, if you please.

(Witness marking.)

Could be. But Rowland said the windows were open and two people were leaning out of them, one in each window. The pair of windows on the fifth floor with Williams and Norman are circled.


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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Why didn't the Conspirators plant Eyewitnesses in Dealey Plaza?
« Reply #159 on: September 10, 2018, 08:49:54 PM »
..your expectations of immediate responses assumes that people are spending all their time sitting on every post that pops up.
Don't you?