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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #390 on: September 27, 2018, 10:19:00 PM »
Common sense would reveal to any reasonably intelligent person that a man's palm print could not be deposited on a round surface whose diameter is that of a AA pen light battery..... 5/8"....  Which is the diameter of the carcano barrel near the fore grip.



This is not meant to prove Oswald's palmprint was on the barrel. Only to demonstrate that physically it's possible to deposit a print from a part of the palm onto a Carcano barrel.

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #391 on: September 27, 2018, 11:05:25 PM »


This is not meant to prove Oswald's palmprint was on the barrel. Only to demonstrate that physically it's possible to deposit a print from a part of the palm onto a Carcano barrel.

Duh....The CIRCUMFERENCE  is equal to Pi times the DIAMETER....  Only about 1/4 of the CIRCUMFERENCE is available to come in contact with a person's palm....  AND any print that would be deposited would be useless because the folds of the skin would break up any print deposited..

Oh, I nearly forgot....The slot at the right hand side of the photo ( CE 639) measures 5mm ( about 1/4 inch) on a model 91 / 38 carcano....   So it can be used to scale the print .....
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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #392 on: September 27, 2018, 11:38:44 PM »
Duh....The CIRCUMFERENCE  is equal to Pi times the DIAMETER....  Only about 1/4 of the CIRCUMFERENCE is available to come in contact with a person's palm.... 


No one would be able to use a wrench.

Online John Iacoletti

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #393 on: September 28, 2018, 12:07:57 AM »
All of the identifiable fragments??   Those two bullet fragments COULD NOT have been traced to any particular rifle.....J.Edgar Hoover himself told LBJ that the fragments were worthless for tracing to a particular rifle. 

Robert Frazier identified them by lining up the marks "in his mind".
 
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The palm print did not turn up a week later.....It was listed on the evidence list of the stuff that was turned over to the FBI  at midnight 11 / 22 / 63 .....  It was examined by the FBI lab on 11 /23/63 and reported to be useless for identification purposes.....

As you keep claiming by presenting an undated evidence list.

Offline John Mytton

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #394 on: September 28, 2018, 12:33:00 AM »
Robert Frazier identified them by lining up the marks "in his mind".

Robert Frazier gave his expert opinion and the defence has an equal responsibility to have the expert examine the evidence and render their opinion, the evidence still exists what are you waiting for?

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #395 on: September 28, 2018, 01:35:03 AM »

No one would be able to use a wrench.

Someone should use a wrench on your head.....and tighten up the loose screws.  ( Or a monkey wrench for tightening your nuts )



The heads of bolts, ( and the nuts) are measured ACROSS the flats of the head of the bolt.....IOW a  bolt with a 3/4" head is designed so that the 3/4 inch wrench fits the flats of the bolt head.

But ....What the hell do wrenches have to do with the diameter of a carcano barrel??



But since you broached the subject...If you were to use the open end of the 11/16" (.687")  wrench it would fit loosely around the carcano barrel .....If you use a metric open end wrench you'll find that the 16mm wrench will fit nicely around the barrel.  And if you were to use that same 16mm wrench around a AA penlight battery you'll find that the battery is nearly the same size as the barrel of a carcano at the foregrip. 
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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #396 on: September 28, 2018, 02:41:31 AM »
Someone should use a wrench on your head.....and tighten up the loose screws.  ( Or a monkey wrench for tightening your nuts )



The heads of bolts, ( and the nuts) are measured ACROSS the flats of the head of the bolt.....IOW a  bolt with a 3/4" head is designed so that the 3/4 inch wrench fits the flats of the bolt head.

But ....What the hell do wrenches have to do with the diameter of a carcano barrel??



But since you broached the subject...If you were to use the open end of the 11/16" (.687")  wrench it would fit loosely around the carcano barrel .....If you use a metric open end wrench you'll find that the 16mm wrench will fit nicely around the barrel.  And if you were to use that same 16mm wrench around a AA penlight battery you'll find that the battery is nearly the same size as the barrel of a carcano at the foregrip.

Hey Walt you keep making this claim, how about you get a piece of Carcano sized pipe, cover it in ink, grab it then take a photo of your hand and show us how little or how much contact you make, K?

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #397 on: September 28, 2018, 03:22:54 AM »
Robert Frazier gave his expert opinion and the defence has an equal responsibility to have the expert examine the evidence and render their opinion, the evidence still exists what are you waiting for?

JohnM

Why wasn't this done in 1964?

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #398 on: September 28, 2018, 03:37:57 AM »
Robert Frazier identified them by lining up the marks "in his mind".

Mr. MCDONALD. And you took the fragment, is it labeled CE-567, and microscopically compared it with the test-fired bullet from the FBI that was fired out of 139?
Mr. NEWQUIST. That is correct.
Mr. McDONALD. And what was the result of your examination?
Mr. NEWQUIST. From mine and the panel's comparison, of these two exhibits, it is our opinion, they had been fired from the same firearm.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo/firearm.htm

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #399 on: September 28, 2018, 03:48:21 AM »
Mr. MCDONALD. And you took the fragment, is it labeled CE-567, and microscopically compared it with the test-fired bullet from the FBI that was fired out of 139?
Mr. NEWQUIST. That is correct.
Mr. McDONALD. And what was the result of your examination?
Mr. NEWQUIST. From mine and the panel's comparison, of these two exhibits, it is our opinion, they had been fired from the same firearm.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo/firearm.htm

JohnM

But still no expert opinion from someone representing LHO's interests. 🤔

 

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