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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #190 on: September 06, 2018, 03:46:23 AM »
  Why would he bring that up, unless he saw CE399 and thought it was supposed to be CE573?
He saw the 30.06 that was dug out of his wall.
Also the cops that dug out that bullet were never called to identify anything.

Offline Mitch Todd

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #191 on: September 06, 2018, 05:26:54 AM »
I believe he said that he saw it on television.
Yes he did. "By US Senate G.Robert Blakey Committee on Assassinations," as he calls it. The HSCA hearings were televised. Those hearings were also recorded as transcripts and published as the first five volumes of the HSCA hearings and exhibits. So, where did anyone show CE573 and/or a picture thereof during those hearings? A couple of oldtimers have said that it wasn't shown during the hearings. I've searched, but I haven't been find anything in the hearings that indicates that they publicly showed it or a photo of it. I can't find it in the list of HSCA hearings exhibits either.

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #192 on: September 06, 2018, 05:35:55 AM »
He saw the 30.06 that was dug out of his wall.
Also the cops that dug out that bullet were never called to identify anything.
In his 1979 letter, Walker described it as "a bullet completely mutilated." How would Walker (or anyone else) determine that "a bullet completely mutilated" was .30 caliber, much less .a 30-06. BTW, remember that ".30-06" specifies a cartridge, and not necessarily a bullet.  How would anyone be able to just look at the mangled metal that Walker describes and say "oh, this is from a .30-06" and not from (say) a .308 or 7.62x54 Nagant or .303 Enfield or .300 savage or .300 Winchester Magnum or .30-40 Krag?

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Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #194 on: September 06, 2018, 04:31:52 PM »
So, John, afraid to answer my question?

Why so combative?  How should I know, though?  Ask Walker.

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #195 on: September 06, 2018, 04:33:53 PM »
As far as I know, the HSCA never showed CE573 or a photo of it during the HSCA Hearings.

As far as you know?  Did you attend the hearings?

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #196 on: September 06, 2018, 04:36:15 PM »
In his 1979 letter, Walker described it as "a bullet completely mutilated." How would Walker (or anyone else) determine that "a bullet completely mutilated" was .30 caliber, much less .a 30-06.

That's a good question.  Also, how could anyone else determine that "a bullet completely mutilated" was a steel jacketed 6.5mm Mannlicher Carcano bullet?

Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #197 on: September 06, 2018, 07:35:09 PM »
The bullets in the SMI rounds come in a number pf "colors" depending on when and where the bullet was produced.

"Ball 'Cartucce a pallottola' or 'Cartuccia a palla ordinaria'
    Round nose, full metal jacket bullet with lead core, jacket materials include copper-nickle, gilding metal, copper-nickle plated steel and gilding metal plated steel."

(from a copy of Alex Eichner's old site at http://personal.stevens.edu/~gliberat/carcano/ammo/history.html)

The silvery-looking jackets aren't steel but cupronickel, FYI

The silvery-looking jackets aren't steel but cupronickel, FYI

T.Y.  I am aware of the fact....  The point is ...The 6.5mm bullets of Italian manufacture were "silvery-looking" like steel...
If the bullet that was fired through Walker's window was in fact a 6.5mm bullet from a carcano there is a 99.8 probability that it was "silvery looking"    If it was copper colored it was manufactured for the CIA......

Offline Rob Caprio

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #198 on: September 06, 2018, 07:46:47 PM »
For anyone who believes that CE 573 was the bullet fired at EAW please post the evidence for the chain of custody for it.

Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #199 on: September 06, 2018, 09:33:32 PM »
For anyone who believes that CE 573 was the bullet fired at EAW please post the evidence for the chain of custody for it.
Officer C said he turned it over to Officer B who gave it to Detective D.
Det D said that B and C gave it to A.
There are are real names but it will take the time later ;)
Found it....
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Officer B.G. NORVELL found the bullet. . . and it was given to Det. B.G. BROWN, Crime Laboratory Division .

Over a year later, on May 28, 1964, Detective DON MCELROY advised he found the bullet and turned it over to Officer BROWN .

On the same date, Officer BROWN stated he obtained the bullet from officer NORVELL.

Officer TUCKER, on June 2, 1964, and former Officer NORVELL, on June 3, 1964, both stated NORVELL found the bullet and he, in turn, gave it to McELROY, who said he would take it or give it to the Dallas Police Department Crime Laboratory.

So Norvell says he found the bullet and gave it to Brown. McElroy says he found the bullet and gave it to Brown. Then, a few days later, Norvell changes his mind and says that although he found the bullet, he gave it to McElroy. This version is backed by his partner, Tucker. But Brown is already on record as saying he received the bullet from Norvell.
https://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2015/05/19/judyth-baker-lee-harvey-oswald-did-not-shoot-at-general-walker/

 

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