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Offline Walt Cakebread

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #104 on: August 31, 2018, 02:31:20 AM »
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Except for that pesky steel-jacketed bullet...

"Marina said so" isn't particularly compelling.  Marina said a lot of things.

Marina Oswald Porter's Statements of a Contradictory Nature

"My assumptions are automatically correct until you prove me wrong".

"Except for that pesky steel-jacketed bullet"...

That couldn't possibly be a simple error by a sleepy, sloppy,  cop typing the report, and calling a METAL jacket a steel jacket,.... could it?

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #104 on: August 31, 2018, 02:31:20 AM »


Online Mitch Todd

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #105 on: August 31, 2018, 03:24:26 AM »
So the group that didn't punish anyone for violating rules wouldn't let non-believers of the official theory copy their manual. Say it isn't so.
In other words, no one can provide any support for the 44mph claim. I've asked repeatedly, and no one has ever been able to substantiate it.

You can mock Fletcher Prouty all you want, but he was the Air Force's CIA liason and worked on numerous presidential trips in regards to security. What are your qualifications?
He was also a crack investigator for the Church of Scientology who "found" that L Ron Hubbard was a super-secret double-nought agent for the ONI in WWII. He first achieved public notice by claiming that Alex Butterfield (who oversaw the installation of the soon-to-be infamous taping system in the Nixon White House) was a CIA plant. He associated with Neo-Nazi sympathizer Willis Carto and Carto's Liberty Lobby.

He was AF liaison with the CIA, not the Secret Service, and IIRC, no one has ever been able to substantiate his claim that he'd been involved in Presidential security, or explain what his role would have been, or show that he would have been exposed to the rules and standards that he claimed to be familiar with.
AFAIK, no one has ever been able to independently corroborate Prouty's claims about Presidential motorcade security.

There was NO need for those turns. End of story.

The motorcade moved at parade speed, about 15mph. At that speed, those turns would have done little to slow the limo down, even with its extra length. That is, the point you're trying to make isn't really much of a point. Anyway, if reducing the President's vulnerability was the priority, they wouldn't have gone to downtown in the first place; they would have gone from Love Field to Mockingbird to Harry Hines, thence the Trade Mart, avoiding the extra trip downtown altogether.

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #106 on: August 31, 2018, 03:33:21 AM »

He was also a crack investigator for the Church of Scientology who "found" that L Ron Hubbard was a super-secret double-nought agent for the ONI in WWII. He first achieved public notice by claiming that Alex Butterfield (who oversaw the installation of the soon-to-be infamous taping system in the Nixon White House) was a CIA plant. He associated with Neo-Nazi sympathizer Willis Carto and Carto's Liberty Lobby.


I think quite a few CTs are on the right.

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He was AF liaison with the CIA, not the Secret Service, and IIRC, no one has ever been able to substantiate his claim that he'd been involved in Presidential security, or explain what his role would have been, or show that he would have been exposed to the rules and standards that he claimed to be familiar with.
AFAIK, no one has ever been able to independently corroborate Prouty's claims about Presidential motorcade security.


Remember Cyril Wecht and the Alien Autopsy? Jim Garrison? Some well-known CTs are 911-Truthers.

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Offline Rob Caprio

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #107 on: August 31, 2018, 04:08:17 AM »
In other words, no one can provide any support for the 44mph claim. I've asked repeatedly, and no one has ever been able to substantiate it.
He was also a crack investigator for the Church of Scientology who "found" that L Ron Hubbard was a super-secret double-nought agent for the ONI in WWII. He first achieved public notice by claiming that Alex Butterfield (who oversaw the installation of the soon-to-be infamous taping system in the Nixon White House) was a CIA plant. He associated with Neo-Nazi sympathizer Willis Carto and Carto's Liberty Lobby.

He was AF liaison with the CIA, not the Secret Service, and IIRC, no one has ever been able to substantiate his claim that he'd been involved in Presidential security, or explain what his role would have been, or show that he would have been exposed to the rules and standards that he claimed to be familiar with.
AFAIK, no one has ever been able to independently corroborate Prouty's claims about Presidential motorcade security.

The motorcade moved at parade speed, about 15mph. At that speed, those turns would have done little to slow the limo down, even with its extra length. That is, the point you're trying to make isn't really much of a point. Anyway, if reducing the President's vulnerability was the priority, they wouldn't have gone to downtown in the first place; they would have gone from Love Field to Mockingbird to Harry Hines, thence the Trade Mart, avoiding the extra trip downtown altogether.

Cite for your claim of 15 m.p.h. being "parade speed."

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #108 on: August 31, 2018, 04:14:15 AM »
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any support for the 44mph claim
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Guys Guys- go start a silly motorcade speed thread!!
This is  the General Walker thread.

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #109 on: August 31, 2018, 05:48:54 AM »
I think quite a few CTs are on the right.
Oh, mon oui, monsieur! Mary Ferrell comes to mind. But some are farther right than others. Carto and his bunch could really get out there. Like Instiute of Historical Review out there.


Remember Cyril Wecht and the Alien Autopsy? Jim Garrison? Some well-known CTs are 911-Truthers.

Wecht's association with the Alien Autopsy thing was purely business, I suspect. His part was to get asked if the "film" showed accepted autopsy procedures, and say "yes." That was about it. Prouty flitted around the LL for a number of years.

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #110 on: August 31, 2018, 06:18:07 AM »
Cite for your claim of 15 m.p.h. being "parade speed."

From Greer:

"After we left the airport, we drove several miles at speeds ranging from 15 to 30 miles per hour depending on the crowds. When we reached the business section of Dallas the crowds were very large and the motorcycle Police along side the President's automobile had a hard time keeping the people back.

"When we came to a point where the crowd had thinned out, there was a right turn for about half a block and then a left turn. At this point, I would say the President's automobile was traveling about 12 to 15 miles per hour."

The "business section of Dallas" where the limo had to slow down was, of course, Downtown.   

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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Whose Target was General Edwin Walker?
« Reply #111 on: August 31, 2018, 06:29:00 AM »
In other words, no one can provide any support for the 44mph claim. I've asked repeatedly, and no one has ever been able to substantiate it.
He was also a crack investigator for the Church of Scientology who "found" that L Ron Hubbard was a super-secret double-nought agent for the ONI in WWII. He first achieved public notice by claiming that Alex Butterfield (who oversaw the installation of the soon-to-be infamous taping system in the Nixon White House) was a CIA plant. He associated with Neo-Nazi sympathizer Willis Carto and Carto's Liberty Lobby.

He was AF liaison with the CIA, not the Secret Service, and IIRC, no one has ever been able to substantiate his claim that he'd been involved in Presidential security, or explain what his role would have been, or show that he would have been exposed to the rules and standards that he claimed to be familiar with.
AFAIK, no one has ever been able to independently corroborate Prouty's claims about Presidential motorcade security.

The motorcade moved at parade speed, about 15mph. At that speed, those turns would have done little to slow the limo down, even with its extra length. That is, the point you're trying to make isn't really much of a point. Anyway, if reducing the President's vulnerability was the priority, they wouldn't have gone to downtown in the first place; they would have gone from Love Field to Mockingbird to Harry Hines, thence the Trade Mart, avoiding the extra trip downtown altogether.

In a way, Kennedy was the master of his own destruction, since he insisted on a motorcade against the wishes of Connally and others.