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Offline Dillon Rankine

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Re: What are the holes in Donahue's Theory?
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2018, 04:46:36 PM »
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This is overstated.  One fragment, CE 567, had what was described by NARA as four small pieces of possibly organic material, examination of which showed that the material consisted of human tissue in varying states of preservation.  This was in 1999.  As far as I know, the source of the tissue was never identified.

What?s overstated? They couldn?t identify from whom the tissue originated, nor its anatomical generator(s). Dr. Zimmerman (the histopathologist) specifically said it was human skin and muscle tissue.

See 3:45 onwards

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Offline Jerry Organ

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Re: What are the holes in Donahue's Theory?
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2018, 05:52:26 PM »
Donohue was probably correct that the fatal head shot couldn?t have come from the Manilcher Carcano.


Donahue describes in his book and displays in the photo-section an HSCA ballistic gelatin test showing an AR-15 bullet disintegrating which he liken to the metal fragmentation seen in the Kennedy skull X-rays. By contrast, Donahue showed the photo from a similar test for a 6.5mm Carcano bullet; it remained intact.

The primary problem with all that (which eluded Donahue (a gunsmith expert) and McLaren (a crime and weapon expert) is that there was no simulant for hard tissue (ie: skull bone). The gelatin tests in Donahue's book simulated soft tissue only. McLaren's own test was to fire a 6.5mm bullet through a melon; again, no hard tissue simulant (the melon rind is not equal to skull bone tissue). Donahue and McLaren were certainly respected experts in their fields, just that one of their fields didn't include terminal ballistics.

This happens when people become wedded to a pet theory. Their judgment is clouded (see Mason Theory). Donahue was shown the Bronson film, disbelieved what they trying to explain to him, and still his publisher issued the paperback version. McLaren may even be worst; he must have seen the Bronson film more times than Donahue and had a few decades of having problems with the theory pointed out.

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We?ll never know because Kennedy didn?t get a proper autopsy...

Yeah, sure.

Offline Jon Banks

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Re: What are the holes in Donahue's Theory?
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2018, 10:58:31 PM »
Donahue describes in his book and displays in the photo-section an HSCA ballistic gelatin test showing an AR-15 bullet disintegrating which he liken to the metal fragmentation seen in the Kennedy skull X-rays. By contrast, Donahue showed the photo from a similar test for a 6.5mm Carcano bullet; it remained intact.

The primary problem with all that (which eluded Donahue (a gunsmith expert) and McLaren (a crime and weapon expert) is that there was no simulant for hard tissue (ie: skull bone). The gelatin tests in Donahue's book simulated soft tissue only. McLaren's own test was to fire a 6.5mm bullet through a melon; again, no hard tissue simulant (the melon rind is not equal to skull bone tissue). Donahue and McLaren were certainly respected experts in their fields, just that one of their fields didn't include terminal ballistics.

This happens when people become wedded to a pet theory. Their judgment is clouded (see Mason Theory). Donahue was shown the Bronson film, disbelieved what they trying to explain to him, and still his publisher issued the paperback version. McLaren may even be worst; he must have seen the Bronson film more times than Donahue and had a few decades of having problems with the theory pointed out.

Yeah, sure.

Donohue was hired by the Warren Commission and didn?t begin his research as a Conspiracy Theorist.

In the process of conducting his research for the Warren Commission he concluded that some things with the Forensic Evidence didn?t add up.

The bullet that struck JFK?s skull didn?t behave like a Carcano bullet and the trajectory (based on the original entry wound location) didn?t trace back to the Book Depository.

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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: What are the holes in Donahue's Theory?
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2018, 12:04:00 AM »
3.   The implausibility of a theory, that a Secret Service Agent, accidently fired a shot, and by random luck, even though he was about 20 feet away, the shot struck the President in the head.

This particular rebuttal is silly.  Accidents by definition are unlikely events.  Looking at something after the fact and saying that it was unlikely for it to happen exactly that way isn't an argument that it couldn't have happened.  If I get a million dice and throw them out on a huge table it will result in a particular series of numbers.  The odds of that particular series coming up are vanishingly small, and yet there it is.  If I put on a blindfold and fire a rifle, whatever specific spot the bullet hits is going to be just as likely or unlikely as any other spot you pick.

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Re: What are the holes in Donahue's Theory?
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2018, 12:15:21 AM »
What?s overstated?

Well, for one thing, you said "the[y] had human skin tissue attached", implying that it was more than one of the alleged limo fragments.  Also, "proteinaceous bundle, non-textile origin" isn't the same thing as skin.  Is there a detailed report available?  Do you wonder why no further DNA testing was performed?

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Re: What are the holes in Donahue's Theory?
« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2018, 01:28:43 AM »
This particular rebuttal is silly.  Accidents by definition are unlikely events.  Looking at something after the fact and saying that it was unlikely for it to happen exactly that way isn't an argument that it couldn't have happened.  If I get a million dice and throw them out on a huge table it will result in a particular series of numbers.  The odds of that particular series coming up are vanishingly small, and yet there it is.  If I put on a blindfold and fire a rifle, whatever specific spot the bullet hits is going to be just as likely or unlikely as any other spot you pick.

Accidents by definition are unlikely events.

Yes....and Nearly everone in Deal;y Plaza knew it was no accident.....And yet I distinctly remember some early radio reporter referring to the coup d e'tat as an "accident"....

He said something like  This is"Joe Jones" reporting from the scene of where this accident happened.

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Re: What are the holes in Donahue's Theory?
« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2018, 01:59:13 AM »
You could drive a dump truck through the hole in Donahue's Theory . If the AR 15 had sent a round into the back of JFK's head then JFK's face would have had a huge blown out hole that was actually in the back of JFK's head . The so-called marksmen who were shooting at JFK from the rear did not make a Kill-Shot into JFKs head and that's why the shooters from the front had to make a frontal headshot to JFK's right temple which blew the back of his head out . There were way too many variables involved if the conspirators in the Assassination were going to use Oswald as a Lone Nut assassin of JFK from the rear . They got JFK's dead body out of Dallas and let " Move the Wound Humes " screw up their plan more than it had already been screwed up . I think "theirs" was to get a scam autopsy on JFK , and then get him in the ground as soon as possible . JFK was assassinated on Friday November 22nd 1963 and he was buried on Monday November 25th 1963 . 4 Days ? J. D. Tippit was murdered on Friday November 22nd 1963 and was buried the next day on Saturday November 23rd 1963 !!! Lee Harvey Oswald was shot down by Jack Ruby on Sunday and died the same day Sunday November 24th and LHO was buried the same day that JFK was buried , on Monday November the 25th , 1963 . Why were these 3 men put in the ground that fast ? JFK was shot and murdered and our Country took a real bad turn for the worst , that we have not recovered from to this day

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Re: What are the holes in Donahue's Theory?
« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2018, 03:06:24 AM »
You could drive a dump truck through the hole in Donahue's Theory . If the AR 15 had sent a round into the back of JFK's head then JFK's face would have had a huge blown out hole that was actually in the back of JFK's head .
Donahue described an exit out the top-right side of the head.