Was the Stemmons Freeway sign removed?

[Royell Storing]

How did you come to this conclusion?
And how did you come to this conclusion? Neither assertion makes sense.

          You must be unfamiliar with the WC Testimony involving the Lead Car and Chaney. It cites Chaney pulling up on the passenger side of the Limo.
          How fast/MPH do you believe the Lead Car & the JFK Limo were traveling as they were photographed approaching the Stemmons FWY On-Ramp?  Do you believe that Officer Chaney & Chief Curry could carry on a conversation regarding the physical condition of JFK while both the Lead Car and Chaney's Loud Motorcycle were speeding/racing to Parkland Hospital?

[Mitch Todd]

          You must be unfamiliar with the WC Testimony involving the Lead Car and Chaney. It cites Chaney pulling up on the passenger side of the Limo.
          How fast/MPH do you believe the Lead Car & the JFK Limo were traveling as they were photographed approaching the Stemmons FWY On-Ramp?  Do you believe that Officer Chaney & Chief Curry could carry on a conversation regarding the physical condition of JFK while both the Lead Car and Chaney's Loud Motorcycle were speeding/racing to Parkland Hospital?

I'm familiar with the goings on ahead of the limo. I'm just not familiar with your concepts of physical dynamics. You're assuming that the only option is between "stopped" and "speeding/racing."  That's simply a false dilemma. It could be moving at any speed in between the two. BTW, if you pay attention to the Zapruder film, you'll see the limousine rapidly catching up to the lead car. In photos taken of  the motorcade on the West side of the triple overpass, the limo has already passed the lead car, and the Queen Mary is about  drive by. The lead car doesn't seem to be going particularly fast at that point.

[John Mytton]

I'm familiar with the goings on ahead of the limo. I'm just not familiar with your concepts of physical dynamics. You're assuming that the only option is between "stopped" and "speeding/racing."  That's simply a false dilemma. It could be moving at any speed in between the two. BTW, if you pay attention to the Zapruder film, you'll see the limousine rapidly catching up to the lead car. In photos taken of  the motorcade on the West side of the triple overpass, the limo has already passed the lead car, and the Queen Mary is about  drive by. The lead car doesn't seem to be going particularly fast at that point.

JohnM

[Royell Storing]

I'm familiar with the goings on ahead of the limo. I'm just not familiar with your concepts of physical dynamics. You're assuming that the only option is between "stopped" and "speeding/racing."  That's simply a false dilemma. It could be moving at any speed in between the two. BTW, if you pay attention to the Zapruder film, you'll see the limousine rapidly catching up to the lead car. In photos taken of  the motorcade on the West side of the triple overpass, the limo has already passed the lead car, and the Queen Mary is about  drive by. The lead car doesn't seem to be going particularly fast at that point.

      You are obviously unfamiliar with the WC Testimony of Chief Curry, SA Sorrels, and SA Lawson. All of these law enforcement individuals were inside the Lead Car. Please bone up on the Officer Chaney/ Lead Car Event and the WC testimony of these 3 individuals.  Once you become knowledgeable regarding all of this, we can engage in an enlightening discussion. Your current unfamiliarity in these areas renders a meaningful discussion difficult if not impossible. 

[John Mytton]

      You are obviously unfamiliar with the WC Testimony of Chief Curry, SA Sorrels, and SA Lawson. All of these law enforcement individuals were inside the Lead Car. Please bone up on the Officer Chaney/ Lead Car Event and the WC testimony of these 3 individuals.  Once you become knowledgeable regarding all of this, we can engage in an enlightening discussion. Your current unfamiliarity in these areas renders a meaningful discussion difficult if not impossible.

Piecing together what happened.

Muchmore captures the leading bikes as they turn onto Houston, 3 bikes followed by 2 more bikes, then like Zapruder she realized that Kennedy's Limo was not directly behind and stops filming, in the interim we miss Curry's car then when she starts again we see Kennedy's Limo with the 4 escort motorbikes.



Zapruder captures the 3 lead motorbikes, then stops filming....



....and then starts again when he sees Kennedy's Limo. And we know at this point that in front of the Limo is Curry's car and 5 bikes.



In this piece of Nix film it looks like the only motorbike that doesn't stop is the bike closest to us.



In the first part of this gif we see the three leading bikes at the top of the frame with the outside escort bike starting to speed up and the two other middle bikes must be somewhere and if you look closely there seems to be the helmet of one of the two middle motorbike riders on the right side of the tunnel.





Here we see one of the 2 bikes on our left in the tunnel and the outside bike which was escorting JFK's limo is just leaving the tunnel



Conclusion.

One of the two bikes following the three lead bikes approached Curry and that rider was "believed" to be Chaney.

JohnM

[Ray Mitcham]

Piecing together what happened.

Muchmore captures the leading bikes as they turn onto Houston, 3 bikes followed by 2 more bikes, then like Zapruder she realized that Kennedy's Limo was not directly behind and stops filming, in the interim we miss Curry's car then when she starts again we see Kennedy's Limo with the 4 escort motorbikes.


JohnM

Show your proof that Zapruder stopped filming. You are only assuming he did. He never said that he stopped filming.

[John Mytton]

Show your proof that Zapruder stopped filming. You are only assuming he did. He never said that he stopped filming.

The proof is the fact that in the Zapruder film at frame Z133 we see the typical lightening of the frame which only occurs when a film is stopped and restarted. Anyway the fact that Muchmore did the same thing only highlights the fact that you don't waste 8mm film when you only have bugger all.

Here are the first two Zapruder frames centered on the blue car after Zapruder started filming, with the initial frame being lighter.



And in the Muchmore film where she stops and starts for presumably the same reason as Zapruder, the two successive frames show the same effect.



Btw I don't want to waste any more bandwidth with your bait and switch, either deal with the evidence as presented or go and make up some more backyard photo claims.

JohnM

[Doug Easterly]

So it appears as if the Lead Car and Chaney might have conversed then after the tunnel. It does not appear from the clips that the limo slowed or stopped at all, unsurprising given the circumstances. I guess if the chief's car stops as a motorcycle patrolman, you stop too to see what he needs. I understand that shortly after he climbed to the back of the limo, Hill gave a thumbs down signal to the Queen Mary meaning that the president was in very bad shape.