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Offline Steve Howsley

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #170 on: February 24, 2019, 08:19:30 AM »
They didn't keep the actual envelope. They kept a microfiche copy of it.

I just love it when a self-satisfied poster sits back to chomp on his cigar then finds it exploding in his face.

Well done Tim.  Thumb1:

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #171 on: February 24, 2019, 11:12:33 AM »
I just love it when a self-satisfied poster sits back to chomp on his cigar then finds it exploding in his face.
That was cute. I myself, just love it when a poster sit back on his cigar.   
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IN NOVEMBER 2015, DAVID VON PEIN SAID: I'll also add this....Even if that "12" seen in the postmark in CE773 is a postal zone code, I don't see why that couldn't simply mean that after Oswald dropped the letter into a mail slot right there at the Main Post Office in Dallas on 3/12/63 (which I can only assume he must have done since he bought the money order right there in the same building that same morning), the post office stamped the letter SOMEWHERE ELSE, in some OTHER postal zone (#12).
 The mail DOES move around a lot. It's constantly moving from one location to another for sorting, etc.
 So why does the "12" (even if it was a postal zone designation) HAVE to mean Oswald walked many blocks (or miles?) out of his way to mail his letter to Klein's? And even if the post office branch where Oswald bought the money order was the "Main" branch (which I think it was), would that HAVE to mean that every letter mailed there HAD to get STAMPED right there in that building too? I'm not sure it does mean any such thing. Perhaps the postal facility where Oswald's letter was sorted and postmarked was located in some other part of Dallas, and was sent there (to "Zone 12", if the "12" does, indeed, represent a "postal zone", which it might represent; I can't say it doesn't with 100% certainty), instead of being sorted and postmarked right there at the Main Post Office.
The number 12 isn't the way zones were depicted. That was correct at the outset. It is not likely that something that was then mailed at the main post office would be sent to another location to be canceled. Something so easily traced to Oswald's PO Box...why use the name Hidell?
 

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #172 on: February 24, 2019, 02:25:16 PM »
That was cute. I myself, just love it when a poster sit back on his cigar.     The number 12 isn't the way zones were depicted. That was correct at the outset. It is not likely that something that was then mailed at the main post office would be sent to another location to be canceled. Something so easily traced to Oswald's PO Box...why use the name Hidell?

I myself, just love it when a poster sit back on his cigar.

Cigar???!   ...Look again and sniff the air..... That ain't cigar smoke.

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Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #173 on: February 24, 2019, 07:20:20 PM »
a microfiche copy...
Was it not in the Dear Mr Hunt letter thread?... where the FBI states that due to the difficulty of analyzing copies of the letter...it was not possible to determine the authenticity of the handwriting. On the other hand the rifle order was readily determined as authentic. Again go figure-----
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The FBI said without the original let-
ter it would be "almost impossible to
certify whether it is genuihe or not,"
the Justice Department source said.

"And they' (FBI) said^that Oswald
has a childlike handwriting and it's
easily forged, the source said, "so they
just can't tell.
      https://archive.org/stream/nsia-HuntMrLetterSupposedlySentbyOswald/nsia-HuntMrLetterSupposedlySentbyOswald/Hunt%20Mr%20Letter%2007_djvu.txt

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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #174 on: February 25, 2019, 02:47:44 AM »
Was it not in the Dear Mr Hunt letter thread?... where the FBI states that due to the difficulty of analyzing copies of the letter...it was not possible to determine the authenticity of the handwriting. On the other hand the rifle order was readily determined as authentic. Again go figure-----      https://archive.org/stream/nsia-HuntMrLetterSupposedlySentbyOswald/nsia-HuntMrLetterSupposedlySentbyOswald/Hunt%20Mr%20Letter%2007_djvu.txt

It is preferable to have original documents over photographs of documents but that isn't always possible. What it comes down to though is the quality of the documents being examined. In the case of the Hunt document, the quality just wasn't there.

From the HSCA TESTIMONY OF JOSEPH McNALLY:

"Mr. MCNALLY - The conclusion of the panel was that the writing on all of these original documents was all done by the, same individual. That also included a number of photographs and photo reproductions. We also concluded these were done by the same individual. However, a word of caution must be introduced here because there are four or five of these documents which were only photo reproductions or photographs examined and compared with the other writings. These photographs of course cannot be examined with the same detail that the original document can be, and there is always some possibility that there are some alterations or something on these particular photographs which cannot be determined because they are not the original document. There is only one document on which we jointly could not arrive at any specific conclusion, and that is the so-called note, JFK exhibit F--506. That particular document is a very fuzzy reproduction and that particular reproduction we could not make any definite determination as to whether or not it was the same writing as all the other writings examined and compared and determined to be from the same individual."
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From the WC TESTIMONY OF JAMES C. CADIGAN:

"Mr. EISENBERG. Are you able to identify the handwriting of an individual on the basis of a photograph of that handwriting?
Mr. CADIGAN. Yes.
Mr. EISENBERG. Would you make an identification, such an identification, if your only questioned document was a photograph if the photograph was sufficiently clear?
Mr. CADIGAN. If the photograph is sufficiently clear, it is adequate for the handwriting comparison.
Mr. EISENBERG. Similarly with standards, if your only standard was a photograph or your only standards were photographs?
Mr. CADIGAN. If your standards were also photographs, it is possible to make the comparison and arrive at a definite opinion.
Mr. EISENBERG. And were the photographs in this case, both the standard and the questioned documents, clear enough to form the 'basis of an opinion?
Mr. CADIGAN. Yes. I might point out that some of the known standards are original documents and not photographs.
Mr. EISENBERG. Yes; I am aware of that, but I wanted to set out on the record whether the standards which are photographs are adequate----
Mr. CADIGAN. They are adequate."

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From the WC TESTIMONY OF ALWYN COLE:

"Mr. EISENBERG. Mr. Cole, some of the standards which are in the group 774 to 788 are photographs rather than originals.
Mr. COLE. That is correct.
Mr. EISENBERG. Does a photograph in your opinion provide a sufficient standard
on which to base a conclusion as to a questioned document?
Mr. COLE. Well, I believe these particular photographs are satisfactory for that purpose.
Mr. EISENBERG. Would you draw a conclusion as to the origin of a questioned document if your only standard was a photograph?
Mr. COLE. If the photographs were comparable to the photographs we have in this case; yes."


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Re: Lee Harvey Oswald Ordered The Rifle
« Reply #174 on: February 25, 2019, 02:47:44 AM »