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Online Martin Weidmann

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Re: Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2018, 01:07:01 AM »
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That's exactly what Oswald said, he wasn't totally stupid he knew admitting putting his lunch on the back seat was not a plausible narrative so Oswald lied and said that Frazier was mistaken and was remembering another time, which as a direct consequence put more Police pressure on Frazier.

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Wow.. Inspector Jacques Clouseau in action..... LOL

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Re: Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2018, 01:07:01 AM »


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Re: Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2018, 01:18:55 AM »
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She didn't need to guess, in the following gif look what's beyond the slats in relation to the camera and everything just below the POV of the camera can be easily seen, these slats act as a privacy screen because you can look down on people who are outside whereas someone standing on the outside looking in just sees the ceiling.



And from Linnie's POV from inside she could easily see the rear right door of Frazier's car being opened.



Just like the gif above, the highlights of the car beyond the slats in this photocopy quality image can be seen and shows that whatever was just below Linnie's eyeline was clearly visible.





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LMR was inside her house, took a brief peek and was not standing next to the angled down slats. Do you know if there was another car in the carport at the time?

She of course had no issues at all with what Lee did - why would she? Who else did she think that person was?

Mr. BALL. Did you ever see him arrive with Lee?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Do you recall on a Thursday night, November 21 that you saw Lee get out of Wesley's car?
Mrs. RANDLE. That is right.

Mr. BALL. Did you talk to Wesley about the fact that he had brought Lee home on this night?
Mrs. RANDLE. No, sir.

Mr. BALL. Did you see Lee?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, I did.
Mr. BALL. Where did you see him?
Mrs. RANDLE. I saw him as he crossed the street and come across my driveway to where Wesley had his car parked by the carport.

Then this:

Mrs. RANDLE. He opened the right back door and I just saw that he was laying the package down so I closed the door. I didn't recognize him as he walked across my carport and I at that moment I wondered who was fixing to come to my back door so I opened the door slightly and saw that it--I assumed he was getting in the car but he didn't, so he come back and stood on the driveway.

Suddenly we have a "unknown" person putting in a "long package" in her brother's car yet never says a word to her brother.

Give me a break.


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Re: Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2018, 01:20:03 AM »
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When Oswald got to Frazier's house Oswald walked straight past the back door, opened Frazier's car, put his package in and then went back to the back door to wait for Frazier, why?
Wouldn't most people who were just holding their lunch just go to the backdoor and simply wait for Frazier?
Why did Oswald feel the need to hide his package ASAP and then double back to where he started?





And btw, the partition between Linnie Mae and Frazier's car was made up of slats and was not a solid wall.









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"When Oswald got to Frazier's house Oswald walked straight past the back door, opened Frazier's car, put his package in and then went back to the back door to wait for Frazier, why?"

Duh....To prevent the rain from dissolving the flimsy brown paper sack !

And there is some indication that Lee may have got into the car and then got back out to go to see if Wes was up and coming out to the car.....

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Re: Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2018, 01:59:07 AM »
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"When Oswald got to Frazier's house Oswald walked straight past the back door, opened Frazier's car, put his package in and then went back to the back door to wait for Frazier, why?"

Duh....To prevent the rain from dissolving the flimsy brown paper sack !

And there is some indication that Lee may have got into the car and then got back out to go to see if Wes was up and coming out to the car.....




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Duh....To prevent the rain from dissolving the flimsy brown paper sack !

There are two holes with your theory;

1) The back door of the house was undercover and was closer.
2) The back door of the car could have been locked* and Oswald would have needlessly spent more time in the rain.

So under every circumstance the most logical course of action was to wait undercover for Frazier and simply wait for Frazier to open the car for you.


*I have read on the ED Forum that the back door lock of Frazier's car was broken but can't find a cite and anyway Oswald had no way of knowing if the lock was fixed.



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Re: Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2018, 02:31:17 AM »
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There are two holes with your theory;

1) The back door of the house was undercover and was closer.
2) The back door of the car could have been locked* and Oswald would have needlessly spent more time in the rain.

So under every circumstance the most logical course of action was to wait undercover for Frazier and simply wait for Frazier to open the car for you.


*I have read on the ED Forum that the back door lock of Frazier's car was broken but can't find a cite and anyway Oswald had no way of knowing if the lock was fixed.



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A little bit of rain wont be an issue for a small paper bag that Lee could tuck under his armpit and cup it in his palm, right? His jacket would have shielded it. Lee may have suspected that BWF was waiting for him in the carport.

Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; it didn't. I just thought maybe, you know, he just left a little bit earlier but when I looked up and saw that the clock was. I knew I was the one who was running a little bit late because, as I say, I was talking, sitting there eating breakfast and talking to the little nieces, it was later than I thought it was.

LMR told us this from her WC testimony.

Mrs. RANDLE. No; because I only opened the door briefly and what made me establish the door on Wesley's car, it is an old car and that door, the window is broken and everything and it is hard to close, so that cinched in my mind which door it was, too. But it was only briefly that I looked.


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Re: Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2018, 02:37:12 AM »
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A little bit of rain wont be an issue for a small paper bag that Lee could tuck under his armpit and cup it in his palm, right? His jacket would have shielded it. Lee may have suspected that BWF was waiting for him in the carport.

Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; it didn't. I just thought maybe, you know, he just left a little bit earlier but when I looked up and saw that the clock was. I knew I was the one who was running a little bit late because, as I say, I was talking, sitting there eating breakfast and talking to the little nieces, it was later than I thought it was.

LMR told us this from her WC testimony.

Mrs. RANDLE. No; because I only opened the door briefly and what made me establish the door on Wesley's car, it is an old car and that door, the window is broken and everything and it is hard to close, so that cinched in my mind which door it was, too. But it was only briefly that I looked.




Mr. BALL. What did he do?
Mrs. RANDLE. He opened the right back door and I just saw that he was laying the package down so I closed the door. I didn't recognize him as he walked across my carport and I at that moment I wondered who was fixing to come to my back door so I opened the door slightly and saw that it--I assumed he was getting in the car but he didn't, so he come back and stood on the driveway.




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Re: Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2018, 02:53:30 AM »
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Mr. BALL. What did he do?
Mrs. RANDLE. He opened the right back door and I just saw that he was laying the package down so I closed the door. I didn't recognize him as he walked across my carport and I at that moment I wondered who was fixing to come to my back door so I opened the door slightly and saw that it--I assumed he was getting in the car but he didn't, so he come back and stood on the driveway.




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Which is not what she said here:

Mrs. RANDLE. No; because I only opened the door briefly and what made me establish the door on Wesley's car, it is an old car and that door, the window is broken and everything and it is hard to close, so that cinched in my mind which door it was, too. But it was only briefly that I looked.

LMR didn't see Lee open any door - she assumed that he did.

BIG difference to a direct observation JohnM.


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Re: Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2018, 03:42:12 AM »
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Which is not what she said here:

Mrs. RANDLE. No; because I only opened the door briefly and what made me establish the door on Wesley's car, it is an old car and that door, the window is broken and everything and it is hard to close, so that cinched in my mind which door it was, too. But it was only briefly that I looked.

LMR didn't see Lee open any door - she assumed that he did.

BIG difference to a direct observation JohnM.




Sorry Tony but "I just saw that he was laying the package down" is a direct observation, unless you have a different definition for the word "saw", well???
 
I honestly don't understand why you are fighting this?, even if the wall was solid we know that;
1) Oswald was carrying a package and walked past the back door, then walked back to the front door.
2) Frazier saw a package on the back seat which Oswald admitted was his.



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« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2018, 03:57:15 AM »
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LMR was inside her house, took a brief peek and was not standing next to the angled down slats. Do you know if there was another car in the carport at the time?

She of course had no issues at all with what Lee did - why would she? Who else did she think that person was?

Mr. BALL. Did you ever see him arrive with Lee?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Do you recall on a Thursday night, November 21 that you saw Lee get out of Wesley's car?
Mrs. RANDLE. That is right.

Mr. BALL. Did you talk to Wesley about the fact that he had brought Lee home on this night?
Mrs. RANDLE. No, sir.

Mr. BALL. Did you see Lee?
Mrs. RANDLE. Yes, I did.
Mr. BALL. Where did you see him?
Mrs. RANDLE. I saw him as he crossed the street and come across my driveway to where Wesley had his car parked by the carport.

Then this:

Mrs. RANDLE. He opened the right back door and I just saw that he was laying the package down so I closed the door. I didn't recognize him as he walked across my carport and I at that moment I wondered who was fixing to come to my back door so I opened the door slightly and saw that it--I assumed he was getting in the car but he didn't, so he come back and stood on the driveway.

Suddenly we have a "unknown" person putting in a "long package" in her brother's car yet never says a word to her brother.

Give me a break.



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LMR was inside her house, took a brief peek and was not standing next to the angled down slats.

Huh? standing right next to the slats???, as the following gif shows, the camera was almost as close as Linnie was to the slats and we can see other objects on the other side of the open slat at almost the same height as the camera and we know that Linnie's pov was way above the right rear door of Frazier's car.







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Sorry Tony but "I just saw that he was laying the package down" is a direct observation, unless you have a different definition for the word "saw", well???
 
I honestly don't understand why you are fighting this?, even if the wall was solid we know that;
1) Oswald was carrying a package and walked past the back door, then walked back to the front door.
2) Frazier saw a package on the back seat which Oswald admitted was his.



JohnM

LMR didn't see LHO place anything into the car. She contradicted herself JohnM.

Lee never said he placed a package in the backseat of Buell's car.

The entire paper bag/curtain rod story rests with two people - brother (who drove in the accused assassin and who owned a rifle and ammunition himself) and sister (who pre-empted the suspicious long package before her brother did).

Some big red flags right there JohnM.

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Re: Oswald put his package straight into Frazier's car, why?
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2018, 04:27:01 AM »