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How does LHO’s lack of clear motive affect your perception of his guilt?

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Online Dillon Rankine

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #80 on: August 10, 2018, 05:20:54 PM »
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It's one thing to speculate on whether Oswald as an adult may or may not have had what some might consider a personality order.  But where does that lead in terms of a motive for assassination?  Mental illness itself is not a motive.

That’s what my post on page 2 of this topic was about (I’d see that for more in-depth look). The condition is characterised by psychobiological abnormalities which predispose one toward ScZ, delusions, aggression, etc. The pint is that disordered brains don’t require real motives before carrying out biazzre actions. SPD, SzPD and AvPD are characterised by high levels of the ‘feel-good’ neurotransmitter dopamine, which produces sensations of reward, excitement/anticipation, certainty and other goodies. It’s the overabundance of dopamine the leads to delusions and with a deficient PFC, you uneffectively have a neurobiological recipe for unprovoked instrumental aggression. The three conditions can be understood to represent individual differences in the pathogenesis of SzC.
(e.g. The clinically excessive fantasising in SPD are thought to represent elevating dopamine levels). 

Oswald’s writing a “historic diary” and believing he was being sought after by “the notions FBI” might be indicative of delusional cognition. Delusions needn’t be internally consistent, and so he could have genuinely believed he was just a patsy even if he had been involved. I’m not saying that this means he was the lone gunman.     

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
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Online John Iacoletti

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #81 on: August 10, 2018, 06:45:26 PM »
What delusional about calling the FBI notorious?

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #82 on: August 10, 2018, 07:43:24 PM »
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What delusional about calling the FBI notorious?

He thought he and his wife were being targeted by them.

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #83 on: August 10, 2018, 07:44:05 PM »
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He thought he and his wife were being targeted by them.

They were!

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #84 on: August 10, 2018, 11:48:31 PM »
It's not necessary to show a motive to link someone to a crime when the evidence does that in abundance.  Assassinating the president is not a rational action.  Thus, we can't be surprised that there is no one tidy explanation that everyone can agree on for why Oswald did it.  Oswald himself may not have been able to articulate exactly why he did it.  We can only speculate based on what we do know about him.  He appears to have been something of a malcontent always dissatisfied with society.  He felt powerless and ignored.  An angry guy.  The masses were sheep to him.  He felt contempt for them.  Political assassination was a way to feel empowered.  People would have take note of him.  An agent of chaos.  The best he could do was to make his mark with his rifle.  On that level, he has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.  Oswald let the genie out of the bottle for every angry guy who was willing to die for his moment in the limelight. 

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #85 on: August 11, 2018, 12:17:03 AM »
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It's not necessary to show a motive to link someone to a crime when the evidence does that in abundance.

LOL

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  Assassinating the president is not a rational action.  Thus, we can't be surprised that there is no one tidy explanation that everyone can agree on for why Oswald did it.  Oswald himself may not have been able to articulate exactly why he did it.  We can only speculate based on what we do know about him.  He appears to have been something of a malcontent always dissatisfied with society.  He felt powerless and ignored.  An angry guy.  The masses were sheep to him.  He felt contempt for them.  Political assassination was a way to feel empowered.  People would have take note of him.  An agent of chaos.  The best he could do was to make his mark with his rifle.  On that level, he has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.  Oswald let the genie out of the bottle for every angry guy who was willing to die for his moment in the limelight.

Cool story, bro.  Did that come to you in a dream?

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #86 on: August 11, 2018, 12:22:29 PM »
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It's not necessary to show a motive to link someone to a crime when the evidence does that in abundance.  Assassinating the president is not a rational action.  Thus, we can't be surprised that there is no one tidy explanation that everyone can agree on for why Oswald did it.  Oswald himself may not have been able to articulate exactly why he did it.  We can only speculate based on what we do know about him.  He appears to have been something of a malcontent always dissatisfied with society.  He felt powerless and ignored.  An angry guy.  The masses were sheep to him.  He felt contempt for them.  Political assassination was a way to feel empowered.  People would have take note of him.  An agent of chaos.  The best he could do was to make his mark with his rifle.  On that level, he has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.  Oswald let the genie out of the bottle for every angry guy who was willing to die for his moment in the limelight.

It made a lot of sense to LBJ.

Do you really have to embarrass yourself every day?

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #87 on: August 11, 2018, 01:19:44 PM »
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It's not necessary to show a motive to link someone to a crime when the evidence does that in abundance.  Assassinating the president is not a rational action.  Thus, we can't be surprised that there is no one tidy explanation that everyone can agree on for why Oswald did it.  Oswald himself may not have been able to articulate exactly why he did it.  We can only speculate based on what we do know about him.  He appears to have been something of a malcontent always dissatisfied with society.  He felt powerless and ignored.  An angry guy.  The masses were sheep to him.  He felt contempt for them.  Political assassination was a way to feel empowered.  People would have take note of him.  An agent of chaos.  The best he could do was to make his mark with his rifle.  On that level, he has succeeded beyond his wildest dreams.  Oswald let the genie out of the bottle for every angry guy who was willing to die for his moment in the limelight.

Oswald himself may not have been able to articulate exactly why he did it.

But he quite clearly DID articulate that he had NOT shot anybody......

We can only speculate based on what we do know about him.

We only know what the government has published....and we know that much of that is not true....

He appears to have been something of a malcontent always dissatisfied with society.

That's what the official line is.....  Why do you spew the official line Mr "Smith" ?

He felt powerless and ignored.  An angry guy.  The masses were sheep to him.  He felt contempt for them.  Political assassination was a way to feel empowered.  People would have take note of him.  An agent of chaos.

That's what the official line is.....  Why do you spew the official line Mr "Smith" ?

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
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Online Dillon Rankine

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #88 on: August 11, 2018, 02:03:57 PM »
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Oswald himself may not have been able to articulate exactly why he did it.

But he quite clearly DID articulate that he had NOT shot anybody......

We can only speculate based on what we do know about him.

We only know what the government has published....and we know that much of that is not true....

He appears to have been something of a malcontent always dissatisfied with society.

That's what the official line is.....  Why do you spew the official line Mr "Smith" ?

He felt powerless and ignored.  An angry guy.  The masses were sheep to him.  He felt contempt for them.  Political assassination was a way to feel empowered.  People would have take note of him.  An agent of chaos.

That's what the official line is.....  Why do you spew the official line Mr "Smith" ?

If both of you could review the lengthy bit I wrote on page 2 of this topic you’ll get a better understanding of Oswald’s behaviour. Bottom line: a life like Oswald’s doesn’t leave your brain unscratched, with the most beaten part (the frontal cortex) being the most relevant to our best and worst behaviours and impaired in murderers.

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #89 on: August 11, 2018, 04:08:36 PM »
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It's one thing to speculate on whether Oswald as an adult may or may not have had what some might consider a personality order.  But where does that lead in terms of a motive for assassination?  Mental illness itself is not a motive.

I believe the fact that Lee was accepted by the United States Marines is a solid indicator that Lee Oswald was not "mentally unstable".   I believe he was a bit too naive and misplaced trust in chameleons like George De Morhenschildt......

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #89 on: August 11, 2018, 04:08:36 PM »