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How does LHO’s lack of clear motive affect your perception of his guilt?

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Offline Rob Caprio

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2018, 02:26:29 PM »
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Motive? Everybody still knows who Lee Harvey Oswald was, 55 years and counting.
Another 9,945 years to go

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Sure, a guy with two children wants to be remembered in this way. That makes as much sense as the claims of the WC.

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2018, 02:30:18 PM »
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Hartogs diagnosed Oswald with SPD at age 13 (though the condition is often apparent in childhood), which the according to the World Health Organization’s ICD-10 presents with affective disturbance (emotional coldness; social detachment), anhedonia (general deficits in experiencing pleasure, particularly involving other people and relationships), extreme introversion (lost in vivid fantasy) and narcissism. (for specfic diagnostic criterion, see p. 151-2: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login). Hartogs made explicit note of some of these symptoms in his report: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

SPD has recently been recognised (along with related schizotypal and avoidant PDs) as part of a schizophrenic spectrum, with each disorder frequently manifesting as antecedents to schizophrenia (ScZ; I’ll return to this). While Oswald didn’t present with psychotic symptoms, stress induced psychosis (hallucinations, delusions and the like) is not uncommon in this disorder and frequent episodes may prompt the onset of psychotic disorders including ScZ.

LHO’s father died before he was born and as such he was left in the care of babysitters who reportedly physically abused him in early life. As per Hartogs’ report, his mother apparently neglected him and found him difficult to control. Hart and Rubia (2012) conducted a review of neuroimaging studies of childhood maltreatment (including but not limited to the abuses suffered by Lee) and found reduced grey and white matter (neurons and their connections, respectively) in the dorsolateral and ventromedial prefrontal cortex (dlPFC & vmPFC, respectively). The dlPFC is the most logical, utilitarian, recently evolved part of the brain (largest in humans) responsible for abstract thought, planning, working memory, executive control and a plethora of other things. The vmPFC is responsible for thinking about oneself, reward processing, decision making, moral and social cognition, and control of emotional and behavioural responses (impulse control). [TL;DR: dlPFC is logical, vmPFC is emotional.]

A person with malfunctions in the PFC—especially vmPFC—manifests with social disinhibition, destructive impulsive behaviour, and other nasties. Murders show less activity and similar (but more severe) PFC deficits. Deficits in inhibitory control were evident in LHO threatening his half-brother and his wife with a knife at ages 8 and 12, and ostensibly hitting his mother on a few occasions. (Warren Report, p. 676)

PET scan of normal control and murderer showing reduced function of prefrontal cortex:



Even more evidence of neuropsychological PFC abnormalities come from Oswald’s amazing super-spy moment of accidentally shooting himself with a .22 pistol he wasn’t even authorised to have in the marines—which he apparently joined to escape the neglect of his mother (Warren Report, p. 384). Evidence of reduced prefrontal cortical control over the amygdala (responsible for fear, aggression and many more emotional activities) is obvious in his fighting a sergeant who he thought was involved in his punishment for the shooting incident. Reduced frontal functioning might have been exhibited in his randomly firing a rifle into the jungle. (Posner, 1993, p. 28) His later physicallynassaulting his wife also demonstrates poor executive/frontal function.

Oswald’s suicide attempt is also indicative of him similar neurological abnormalities. Post-mortem neuropathological studies of suicide victims disclosed reduced levels of brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF)—essential for neuronal survival, plasticity and repair—in the PFC and hippocampus (responsible for long term memory, ‘mental time travel’ including thinking ahead, etc). Studies of suicide attempters have disclosed reduced function in both regions and more as well as a reduction of a neurotransmitter called serotonin, which is generally responsible for mood regulation, inhibitory control of behaviour and produces positive feelings such as being in control. (See full review here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login)

Oswald might have had delusions, believing the FBI were after him after Hosty visited his wife and penning a “hsitoric diary” indicate mesocorticolimbic abnormalities, if they were delusions. This might be indicative of ScZ or less extreme psychotic symptoms which generally don’t occur until late adolescence and are frequently preceded by his diagnosis

In other words his behaviour and psychiatric exam indicate neurobiological deficits which predispose one to impulsivity, aggression and violence. None of this neuroscience was known at the time and seems much too harmonious to be only coincidentally aligned via manipulation of evidence. I could go on and on about this topic, but it’s much too extensive to be covered in one day.

I should note that despite this obvious turmoil, the late leading CT author Jim Marrs claimed that “Oswald’s boyhood was little different from that of millions of other Americans,” (Crossfire, p. 91) and, “Despite much further conjecture, there is little evidence that Lee’s childhood was any better or worse than others.” (Ibid., p. 92). Marrs also conviently misses out Oswald’s violent episodes (such as the knife wielding) in his otherwise detailed (and evidently bias) account of Oswald’s family life. He also misrepresented Hartogs’ report, excluding or downplaying Lee’s symptoms as him being “somewhat tense, withdrawn, and hesitant to talk about himself or his feelings,” (p. 97) and never mentioning that he was diagnosed with SPD with a treatment plan than was never followed.

Is there any supporting evidence in this long winded diatribe for your claim? If so, then please highlight it.

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2018, 06:35:50 PM »
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Is there any supporting evidence in this long winded diatribe for your claim? If so, then please highlight it.

It’s littered with citations, I linked most of them, which is obvious after glancing at the first paragraph.

It obvious you didn’t read it and decided a priori that it you were going to disagree with it. If there’s is anything inaccurate please make it clear, and that might challenge the accuracy of my view—which is always exciting.     

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2018, 08:38:15 PM »
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Sure, a guy with two children wants to be remembered in this way. That makes as much sense as the claims of the WC.

'a guy'

Guess you think Oswald was normal
No wonder you get everything wrong
Read his backstory, dummy.

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #24 on: August 07, 2018, 08:47:20 PM »
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Is there any supporting evidence in this long winded diatribe for your claim? If so, then please highlight it.

Says the long-winded speculator

Dillon's post is replete with references, Sherlock.
For instance, Hartog was one of Oswald's examiners at Youth House.
Guess that doesn't come up in conspiracy-monger circles, huh..
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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #25 on: August 07, 2018, 09:34:55 PM »
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It’s littered with citations, I linked most of them, which is obvious after glancing at the first paragraph.

It obvious you didn’t read it and decided a priori that it you were going to disagree with it. If there’s is anything inaccurate please make it clear, and that might challenge the accuracy of my view—which is always exciting.   

Simply cite official evidence that supports what you claimed. Why is this so difficult? Probably because you know that it doesn't exist.

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2018, 09:38:43 PM »
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'a guy'

Guess you think Oswald was normal
No wonder you get everything wrong
Read his backstory, dummy.

So you have NO answer. No surprise there. Explain how the police found a guy in a fairly large city in less than two hours when there was no apparent motive. Of course you won't as even someone as clueless as you must surely realize how ridiculous this idea is.

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2018, 09:41:29 PM »
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Says the long-winded speculator

Dillon's post is replete with references, Sherlock.
For instance, Hartog was one of Oswald's examiners at Youth House.
Guess that doesn't come up in conspiracy-monger circles, huh..

I will be covering Hartog extensively in my "Statements That Sink The WC's Conclusions" shortly. He did not show that anything was wrong with LHO mentally so that notion is out the window.

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2018, 11:36:35 PM »
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Marrs also conviently misses out Oswald’s violent episodes (such as the knife wielding) in his otherwise detailed (and evidently bias) account of Oswald’s family life.

Mr. RANKIN. Was there any time that you recall that there was a threat of Lee Oswald against Mrs. Pic with a knife or anything like that?
Do you remember that?
Mrs. OSWALD. Yes, I do. I am glad you said that.
My daughter-in-law was very upset. The very first time we went there--I stated before, and I am glad I said that--that we were not welcome. And immediately it was asked what did we plan to do, as soon as we put our foot in the house.. And I had made it plain to John Edward that I was going to have a place of my own, that we were just coming there to get located.
My daughter-in-law resented the fact that her mother--this went on before I got there that her mother had to leave the house and go visit a sister so I could come, John Edward's mother. I had never met my daughter-in-law. She didn't like me, and she didn't like Lee.
So she what is the word to say--not picked on the child, but she showed her displeasure.
And she is a very--not, I would say so much an emotional person--but this girl is a-New Yorker who was brought up in this particular neighbor-hood, which I believe is a poor section of New York.
The mother had lived in this home all her life. And this girl cursed like a trooper. She is--you cannot express it, Mr. Rankin--but not of a character of a high caliber.
At this particular time she had never been out of this neighborhood, or out of New York. And Lee loved the little baby. And he played with the baby and wanted to hold the baby and everything, which she objected.
We were not wanted, sir, from the very beginning. So there was, I think now--it was not a kitchen knife it was a little pocket knife, a child's knife, that Lee had. So she hit Lee. So Lee had the knife-now, I remember this distinctly, because I remember how awful I thought Marjory was about this. Lee had the knife in his hand. He was whittling, because John Edward whittled ships and taught Lee to whittle ships. He puts them in the glass, you know. And he was whittling when this incident occurred. And that is what it occurred about, because there was scraps of the wood on the floor.
So when she attacked the child, he had the knife in hand. So she made the statement to my son that we had to leave, that Lee tried to use a knife on her.
Now, I say that is not true, gentlemen. You can be provoked into something. And because of the fact that he was whittling, and had the knife in his hand, they struggled.
He did not use the knife he had an opportunity to use the knife.
But it wasn't a kitchen knife or a big knife. It was a little knife.
So I will explain it that way, sir.

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #29 on: August 08, 2018, 01:20:06 AM »
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Simply cite official evidence that supports what you claimed. Why is this so difficult? Probably because you know that it doesn't exist.

I clearly did, so here’s a challenge: summarise what I claimed. If you read it you’d clearly see (it’s basically repeated over and over again).

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