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How does LHO’s lack of clear motive affect your perception of his guilt?

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Online Richard Rubio

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2018, 04:28:31 PM »
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It was never shown with supporting evidence that he was a Communist. The rest is just unsupported ramblings. There was NO motive given and this is a huge red flag in the official case.

What official case? The studies by FIVE different government organizations that found Oswald guilty are "official"?   Communist or lean Communist. I mean, you were saying the HSCA did not find that Oswald committed the crime as for your derisive term "ramblings", this is a discussion forum.  If you are offended by a post, then report it.

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JFK Files: Oswald’s Communist Ties, Conversations With the KGB
Posted by Mary Chastain      Friday, October 27, 2017

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Oswald was a Communist. He defected to the Soviet Union in 1959, married a Russian woman, and came back to the states in two and a half years.

On Tuesday, The London Times published an article that these files would show links Oswald had to Soviet spies. Those interested in this angle wanted to know more about his visit to Mexico City where he visited the Soviet and Cuban embassies, which took place seven weeks before the assassination.

So far I have found a few files about Oswald’s Communist ties and possible ties to the Soviets.

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One will certainly get a lot of hits on the net, if one searches for 'Oswald' and 'Communist'. This seems like common knowledge to most.

Marxist, Communist, he certainly had sympathies.
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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
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Online Bill Chapman

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2018, 05:29:51 PM »
Motive? Everybody still knows who Lee Harvey Oswald was, 55 years and counting.
Another 9,945 years to go

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2018, 09:50:21 PM »
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Arm chair psychiatrist. Why not cite supporting evidence for your claims?

Hartogs diagnosed Oswald with SPD at age 13 (though the condition is often apparent in childhood), which the according to the World Health Organization’s ICD-10 presents with affective disturbance (emotional coldness; social detachment), anhedonia (general deficits in experiencing pleasure, particularly involving other people and relationships), extreme introversion (lost in vivid fantasy) and narcissism. (for specfic diagnostic criterion, see p. 151-2: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login). Hartogs made explicit note of some of these symptoms in his report: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login

SPD has recently been recognised (along with related schizotypal and avoidant PDs) as part of a schizophrenic spectrum, with each disorder frequently manifesting as antecedents to schizophrenia (ScZ; I’ll return to this). While Oswald didn’t present with psychotic symptoms, stress induced psychosis (hallucinations, delusions and the like) is not uncommon in this disorder and frequent episodes may prompt the onset of psychotic disorders including ScZ.

LHO’s father died before he was born and as such he was left in the care of babysitters who reportedly physically abused him in early life. As per Hartogs’ report, his mother apparently neglected him and found him difficult to control. Hart and Rubia (2012) conducted a review of neuroimaging studies of childhood maltreatment (including but not limited to the abuses suffered by Lee) and found reduced grey and white matter (neurons and their connections, respectively) in the dorsolateral and ventromedial prefrontal cortex (dlPFC & vmPFC, respectively). The dlPFC is the most logical, utilitarian, recently evolved part of the brain (largest in humans) responsible for abstract thought, planning, working memory, executive control and a plethora of other things. The vmPFC is responsible for thinking about oneself, reward processing, decision making, moral and social cognition, and control of emotional and behavioural responses (impulse control). [TL;DR: dlPFC is logical, vmPFC is emotional.]

A person with malfunctions in the PFC—especially vmPFC—manifests with social disinhibition, destructive impulsive behaviour, and other nasties. Murders show less activity and similar (but more severe) PFC deficits. Deficits in inhibitory control were evident in LHO threatening his half-brother and his wife with a knife at ages 8 and 12, and ostensibly hitting his mother on a few occasions. (Warren Report, p. 676)

PET scan of normal control and murderer showing reduced function of prefrontal cortex:



Even more evidence of neuropsychological PFC abnormalities come from Oswald’s amazing super-spy moment of accidentally shooting himself with a .22 pistol he wasn’t even authorised to have in the marines—which he apparently joined to escape the neglect of his mother (Warren Report, p. 384). Evidence of reduced prefrontal cortical control over the amygdala (responsible for fear, aggression and many more emotional activities) is obvious in his fighting a sergeant who he thought was involved in his punishment for the shooting incident. Reduced frontal functioning might have been exhibited in his randomly firing a rifle into the jungle. (Posner, 1993, p. 28) His later physicallynassaulting his wife also demonstrates poor executive/frontal function.

Oswald’s suicide attempt is also indicative of him similar neurological abnormalities. Post-mortem neuropathological studies of suicide victims disclosed reduced levels of brain-derived neurotrophic factor (BDNF)—essential for neuronal survival, plasticity and repair—in the PFC and hippocampus (responsible for long term memory, ‘mental time travel’ including thinking ahead, etc). Studies of suicide attempters have disclosed reduced function in both regions and more as well as a reduction of a neurotransmitter called serotonin, which is generally responsible for mood regulation, inhibitory control of behaviour and produces positive feelings such as being in control. (See full review here: You are not allowed to view links. Register or Login)

Oswald might have had delusions, believing the FBI were after him after Hosty visited his wife and penning a “hsitoric diary” indicate mesocorticolimbic abnormalities, if they were delusions. This might be indicative of ScZ or less extreme psychotic symptoms which generally don’t occur until late adolescence and are frequently preceded by his diagnosis

In other words his behaviour and psychiatric exam indicate neurobiological deficits which predispose one to impulsivity, aggression and violence. None of this neuroscience was known at the time and seems much too harmonious to be only coincidentally aligned via manipulation of evidence. I could go on and on about this topic, but it’s much too extensive to be covered in one day.

I should note that despite this obvious turmoil, the late leading CT author Jim Marrs claimed that “Oswald’s boyhood was little different from that of millions of other Americans,” (Crossfire, p. 91) and, “Despite much further conjecture, there is little evidence that Lee’s childhood was any better or worse than others.” (Ibid., p. 92). Marrs also conviently misses out Oswald’s violent episodes (such as the knife wielding) in his otherwise detailed (and evidently bias) account of Oswald’s family life. He also misrepresented Hartogs’ report, excluding or downplaying Lee’s symptoms as him being “somewhat tense, withdrawn, and hesitant to talk about himself or his feelings,” (p. 97) and never mentioning that he was diagnosed with SPD with a treatment plan than was never followed.

Online Jerry Freeman

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #13 on: August 07, 2018, 01:03:34 AM »
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I could go on and on about this topic

Please don't. 

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #14 on: August 07, 2018, 01:53:18 AM »
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With no motive how does one person become a "suspect" in less than two hours in a fairly large city?

Oswald was arrested as a suspect in the murder of Officer JD Tippit. Suspects are arrested based on evidence or suspicion that they could have committed a crime. Motive is of interest to a prosecutor.

Oswald was already in custody when he was arraigned on a charge of the murder of John F. Kennedy. Motive is not necessary for an arraignment.
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Online Michael Capasse

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #15 on: August 07, 2018, 12:03:48 PM »
"Trying to shovel smoke with a pitchfork in the wind"
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Offline James Hess

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2018, 12:48:56 PM »
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With no motive how does one person become a "suspect" in less than two hours in a fairly large city?
Good grief
Caprio thinks a motive should be established before an arrest.
What is wrong with him????
This one is classic Caprio.
"Half fast" and thought about for a split second.

Offline Rob Caprio

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #17 on: August 07, 2018, 02:11:12 PM »
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Oswald himself... why not read his backstory?

Not good enough. Cite supporting evidence for his claims.

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Offline Mick O'Brien

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #18 on: August 07, 2018, 02:12:15 PM »
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Obviously, I’m curious to see how the lack of apparent motivation on Oswald’s part affects the perception of his guilt. I’m sure this will lead to some interesting discussions.

His lack of motive is everything and those with the real motives even planned to set someone like him up.

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2018, 02:21:07 PM »
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What official case? The studies by FIVE different government organizations that found Oswald guilty are "official"?   Communist or lean Communist. I mean, you were saying the HSCA did not find that Oswald committed the crime as for your derisive term "ramblings", this is a discussion forum.  If you are offended by a post, then report it.

What I am offended by is statements that mislead others. You claimed that LHO was a Communist, but the official record shows that he wasn't. Either cite supporting evidence for your claim or admit that you were incorrect in saying that LHO was a Communist.

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will certainly get a lot of hits on the net, if one searches for 'Oswald' and 'Communist'. This seems like common knowledge to most.

The internet is loaded with false information. My concern is this board.

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Marxist, Communist, he certainly had sympathies.

Then show he did using the evidence. This is more than a discussion forum as you said. You are expected to support your claims here. The LNers do this to people who say a conspiracy took place.

Marina Oswald was actually a member of a group with Communist ties, but this doesn't seem to bother you at all. Why?

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Re: How does LHO’s lack of motive affect your beliefs about his guilt?
« Reply #19 on: August 07, 2018, 02:21:07 PM »