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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: What did SS agent Kellerman mean by, "A flurry of shells come into the car?"
« Reply #120 on: September 16, 2018, 06:37:23 AM »
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It's natural to expect more than one shooter if more than one shot has been heard, especially at a car carrying the POTUS.

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Re: What did SS agent Kellerman mean by, "A flurry of shells come into the car?"
« Reply #120 on: September 16, 2018, 06:37:23 AM »


Offline Jerry Freeman

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Re: What did SS agent Kellerman mean by, "A flurry of shells come into the car?"
« Reply #121 on: September 16, 2018, 11:40:44 PM »
It's natural to expect more than one shooter if more than one shot has been heard, especially at a car carrying the POTUS.
Absolutely! Then came a 'flurry'.

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Re: What did SS agent Kellerman mean by, "A flurry of shells come into the car?"
« Reply #122 on: September 17, 2018, 08:23:08 PM »
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Representative FORD. You don't recall precisely a second shot and a third shot such as you did in the case of the first?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Let me give you an illustration, sir, before I can give you an answer. You have heard the sound barrier, of a plane breaking the sound barrier, bang, bang? That is it.
Representative FORD. This is for the second and the third, or the flurry as you described it?
Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right; that is right, sir.
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/kellerma.htm
At the close of Kellerman's testimony..a 'Mr Smith', a 'Mr Murray', and a 'Mr Craig' are present and mentioned....
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The CHAIRMAN. Mr. Murray, can you think of anything?
Mr. MURRAY. No, thank you, Mr. Chief Justice.
Mr. SMITH. Off the record.
(Discussion off the record.)
 Mr. CRAIG. Mr. Kellerman, is there any special agent in charge of the protection of the person next in line in succession, to your knowledge? 
I looked up the Commissions staff members and couldn't find them listed as assistants.
Who were these guys?
 

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Re: What did SS agent Kellerman mean by, "A flurry of shells come into the car?"
« Reply #122 on: September 17, 2018, 08:23:08 PM »


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Re: What did SS agent Kellerman mean by, "A flurry of shells come into the car?"
« Reply #123 on: September 18, 2018, 03:14:20 PM »
I reversed the windshield crack pic - then over-layed the pic onto the limo before it left Dealey Plaza - and then captured an image with the pic partially transparent to compare the crack lines...
Looks like a match, and a result of the flurry of bullets!
No wonder they tried to ship out the Limo quickly and repair the incriminating damage...







     The Illuminated Center of your Red Circle in the Altgens Pic is too low to match the Windshield Crack/Hole Position in the other Photo. The Illuminated Center of the Red Circle is roughly at the same level as the buttocks of SA Hill and slightly lower than his elbow as he is leaning over the spare tire. Plus, it is Far Below that metal strip that stretched across the Limo and helped support the Limo Top.  In the Altgens photo, this puts the height of the Illuminated Center of your Red Circle at a little higher than the trunk lid of the JFK Limo. This is not close to the Height of the Limo rear view mirror Crack/Hole we see in the other photo. Either the center of that Illuminated Red Circle is displaying something else, or we are looking at 2 different Cracks/Holes in the windshield.
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Offline Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: What did SS agent Kellerman mean by, "A flurry of shells come into the car?"
« Reply #124 on: November 25, 2023, 12:40:17 AM »

Here's the dialogue:

Mr. SPECTER. Now, in your prior testimony you described a flurry of shells into the car. How many shots did you hear after the first noise which you described as sounding like a firecracker?
Mr. KELLERMAN. Mr. Specter, these shells came in all together.

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Re: What did SS agent Kellerman mean by, "A flurry of shells come into the car?"
« Reply #124 on: November 25, 2023, 12:40:17 AM »


Offline Marjan Rynkiewicz

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Re: What did SS agent Kellerman mean by, "A flurry of shells come into the car?"
« Reply #125 on: November 25, 2023, 12:54:40 AM »
  At 1:11 PM, UPI transmitted the fact that 3 "bursts" of gunfire were heard by reporters.  Also, "Some of the Secret Service agents thought the gunfire was from an automatic weapon fired to the right rear of the President's car...probably from a grassy knoll to which the police rushed."

Other interesting things are in this teletype which starts at 12:38 PM.

https://static.lib.virginia.edu/JFK/

  I'd like to add that an M-16 at the time could fire up to 15 rounds per second.  I doubt many people could distinguish that many shots in such a short time.  It may sound like a single shot to some (masked by echoes), or "bursts" to others.
My reading tells me that Hickey's AR15-601 probly fired at 400 rpm which is 6.7 rps.
The M16 came later. Later an AR15 could fire at 800 rpm, & nowadays some can fire at 1200 rpm.

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Re: What did SS agent Kellerman mean by, "A flurry of shells come into the car?"
« Reply #126 on: November 25, 2023, 01:01:02 AM »
It's really hard to believe that two or three bullets could have done all the damage to the president, governor, Tague, and limo...
Both the windshield and the chrome trim look like direct hits... Kellerman's flurry of shots seems credible by just looking at the results...






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Re: What did SS agent Kellerman mean by, "A flurry of shells come into the car?"
« Reply #126 on: November 25, 2023, 01:01:02 AM »


Online Richard Smith

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Re: What did SS agent Kellerman mean by, "A flurry of shells come into the car?"
« Reply #127 on: November 25, 2023, 04:45:38 PM »
This discussion is a lot like Marina's confirmation that Oswald owned a rifle and stored it in the Paine's garage.  She answers dozens of questions about the "rifle."  On a single occasion in response to a question about the rifle, she confirms that she saw the wooden stock of "it."  Obviously meaning the rifle because that is what the question is asking her about and a rifle has a wooden stock.  CTers desperately latch onto to this single instance completely out of context while ignoring dozens of other questions about the "rifle" to suggest that there is doubt about the object she is describing being a rifle.  Here Kellerman references a "flurry" of shots.  But he also specifically confirms that number of shots that he heard.  Three.  Like almost every single witness in DP that day he heard three shots.  His imprecise description on a single occasion as a "flurry" doesn't cast doubt on the fact that he confirmed the number of shots that he heard was three.