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Offline Patrick Jackson

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Gorilla Lovelady - Roscoe White
« on: July 18, 2018, 09:09:02 PM »
Before the Forum was hacked there was a good discussion about Gorilla Lovelady person and famous plaid shirt. Did Billy Nolan Lovelady really had that plaid shirt, is he the person on Altgens 6... Many questions without answers.
In my modest, armchair research I have reached the conclusion that the person seen on Martin/Hughes films, wearing red plaid shirt, later seen in DPD office when LHO was brought in, I think that person was Roscoe White.
Here is the time line:
This person first seen in Bronson film


He is standing here, in this area, in Hughes film


Than I see him in Dorman film


Than in Zapruder walking towards TSBD


He is standing on TSBD steps smoking a cigarette, seen in Martin/Hughes films


Thank he is here in Beers photo


And at 2PM he is in DPD office



Here is Roscoe White and person known as Mark Lanes Lovelady


To me, Gorilla Lovelady is more like Roscoe White than BNL.
I am searching for more images of Gorilla Lovelady.

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Gorilla Lovelady - Roscoe White
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Online Dan DAlimonte

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Re: Gorilla Lovelady - Roscoe White
« Reply #1 on: July 18, 2018, 09:44:20 PM »
Hey, Patrick.  If Chita's cousin was indeed Officer, Roscoe White, he looks as stunned as everyone else.
I highly doubt he would have been involved. 
« Last Edit: July 18, 2018, 09:51:59 PM by Dan DAlimonte »

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Re: Gorilla Lovelady - Roscoe White
« Reply #2 on: July 18, 2018, 09:59:30 PM »
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Hey, Patrick.  If Chita's cousin was indeed Officer, Roscoe White, he looks as stunned as everyone else.
I highly doubt he would have been involved.

Involved in what? In the assassination as he was claiming? I think he had nothing with the assassination, he simply was there and later tried to attract some attention to him, same as his son Ricky White in the 80s.

Roscoe White had a day off on 11/22/63.

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Re: Gorilla Lovelady - Roscoe White
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2018, 09:32:08 PM »
Why do you think that every person anywhere near the TSBD that day wearing a plaid looking shirt is the same person?

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Re: Gorilla Lovelady - Roscoe White
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2018, 06:33:18 AM »
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Roscoe White had a day off on 11/22/63.

No.

On the day of the assassination, Roscoe White was in training (had yet to even go through the Police Academy) and was assigned to assist members of the Dallas Police Crime Scene Search Section, who were investigating a home burglary in North Dallas.  The assignment took most of the morning and according to John Burton (one of White's training classmates and White's partner that particular morning), would have not allowed White to get to Dealey Plaza in time to take part in the assassination.

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Re: Gorilla Lovelady - Roscoe White
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2018, 04:46:21 PM »
The figure on the steps in the Hughes film clip was nicknamed Gorilla Man because of his "unique" neck posture.



But others in the same clip had a similar "disorder".

Lovelady's neck posture varied. Subconsciously he may have straightened his overall posture for a formal photograph, and relaxed it for other photos.

   
Lower-right inset: neck relaxed

Therefore the neck posture is not reason enough to dismiss Lovelady as the man on the steps in the Hughes film clip.

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Re: Gorilla Lovelady - Roscoe White
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2018, 09:25:08 PM »
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Why do you think that every person anywhere near the TSBD that day wearing a plaid looking shirt is the same person?

Are you saying there were more persons wearing a plaid looking shirts? How many?

Take a better look. It is not plaid shirt only. On all photos beside plaid shirt, there is blue jeans, there is bold spot on the head, figure is similar, head is big, rounded.

When you consider all of that, your question would be: Why do you think that every person anywhere near TSBD that day wearing a plaid looking shirt, blue jeans looking trousers, bold spot looking hair, having round looking head is the same person?
I am sure you will admit your question does not have sense because there was only one person near TSBD wearing a plaid looking shirt. If you wind any other, please post and we will compare.

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Re: Gorilla Lovelady - Roscoe White
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2018, 09:29:59 PM »
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No.

On the day of the assassination, Roscoe White was in training (had yet to even go through the Police Academy) and was assigned to assist members of the Dallas Police Crime Scene Search Section, who were investigating a home burglary in North Dallas.  The assignment took most of the morning and according to John Burton (one of White's training classmates and White's partner that particular morning), would have not allowed White to get to Dealey Plaza in time to take part in the assassination.

Interesting. Do you have any document on this?
If he was on training investigating burglary that would explain his presence in Homicide and Robbery Bureau, office 317 in DPD at 2PM.

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Re: Gorilla Lovelady - Roscoe White
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2018, 09:37:12 PM »
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Interesting. Do you have any document on this?
If he was on training investigating burglary that would explain his presence in Homicide and Robbery Bureau, office 317 in DPD at 2PM.

FBI determination after interviewing police sources.
Dale Myers 1996 interview with Dallas Police dispatch supervisor James Bowles.

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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2018, 09:56:04 PM »
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FBI determination after interviewing police sources.
Dale Myers 1996 interview with Dallas Police dispatch supervisor James Bowles.

In her interview for Texas monthly in December 1990 issue, Geneva White speaking about 11/22/63 stated: "But then he (Roscoe) came home around seven (PM), just like always." What shift would the be? First, second, were there shifts? If he spent the whole morning investigating burglary, his shift would be first? Or he went to his training on-call?

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« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2018, 09:56:04 PM »