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Offline Bill Chapman

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Re: Lame LN excuses
« Reply #100 on: January 12, 2020, 03:46:34 AM »
Chapman

What makes you think I was addressing you in particular?
>>> Reply#95

PS  Brewer thought maybe he'd seen Oswald nervously hanging around that shoe store at least once before?
>>> Brewer didn't say anything of the sort. Neither did I. You continue to miss my point. Again, see if you can figure it out.
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Online Thomas Graves

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Re: Lame LN excuses
« Reply #101 on: January 12, 2020, 03:55:31 AM »
What makes you think I was addressing you in particular?
>>> Reply#95

PS  Brewer thought maybe he'd seen Oswald nervously hanging around that shoe store at least once before?
>>> Brewer didn't say anything of the sort. Neither did I. You continue to miss my point. Again, see if you can figure it out.

Chapman,

Why don't you tell us the point you were trying to make?

Or ... gasp ... is it too late now?

--  MWT  ;)

Edit:  Oh!  You mean Oswald didn't actually go inside the shoe store that particular day, just kinda slunk around in the foyer until the police cars had passed by?

Works for me, Bill!
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Online Joffrey van de Wiel

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Re: Lame LN excuses
« Reply #102 on: January 30, 2020, 05:19:47 PM »
Gentlemen,

I noticed that there is still some confusion about which officer found Oswald's jacket under a parked vehicle. Let me try to help clear up the matter.

First, the DPD radio log is of importance. At around 1:25 p.m. an officer with call sign 279 (listed as "unknown") contacts dispatch and says:

We believe we've got that suspect on shooting this officer out here. Got his white jacket. Believe he dumped it on this parking lot behind this service station at 400 block East Jefferson, across from Dudley Hughes, and he had a white jacket on. We believe this is it.

See CE 1974, page 62:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1139&search=CE_1974#relPageId=894&tab=page

The 'unknown' officer #279 was officer J.T. Griffin of the Traffic Division of the Dallas Police Department according to Lawrence Exhibit 2, page 2:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1137&search=lawrence_exhibit#relPageId=510&tab=page

I trust this will put an end to the we-don't-know-who- found-the- jacket nonsense.




Offline Tim Nickerson

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« Reply #103 on: January 30, 2020, 05:58:08 PM »
Gentlemen,

I noticed that there is still some confusion about which officer found Oswald's jacket under a parked vehicle. Let me try to help clear up the matter.

First, the DPD radio log is of importance. At around 1:25 p.m. an officer with call sign 279 (listed as "unknown") contacts dispatch and says:

We believe we've got that suspect on shooting this officer out here. Got his white jacket. Believe he dumped it on this parking lot behind this service station at 400 block East Jefferson, across from Dudley Hughes, and he had a white jacket on. We believe this is it.

See CE 1974, page 62:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1139&search=CE_1974#relPageId=894&tab=page

The 'unknown' officer #279 was officer J.T. Griffin of the Traffic Division of the Dallas Police Department according to Lawrence Exhibit 2, page 2:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1137&search=lawrence_exhibit#relPageId=510&tab=page

I trust this will put an end to the we-don't-know-who- found-the- jacket nonsense.

That doesn't clear up the matter. Griffin was the officer who reported to Dispatch that the jacket had been found.  That doesn't tell us who it was that actually found the jacket.

Offline John Iacoletti

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« Reply #104 on: January 30, 2020, 06:46:31 PM »
That doesn't clear up the matter. Griffin was the officer who reported to Dispatch that the jacket had been found.  That doesn't tell us who it was that actually found the jacket.

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Offline Martin Weidmann

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Re: Lame LN excuses
« Reply #105 on: January 30, 2020, 07:17:37 PM »
Gentlemen,

I noticed that there is still some confusion about which officer found Oswald's jacket under a parked vehicle. Let me try to help clear up the matter.

First, the DPD radio log is of importance. At around 1:25 p.m. an officer with call sign 279 (listed as "unknown") contacts dispatch and says:

We believe we've got that suspect on shooting this officer out here. Got his white jacket. Believe he dumped it on this parking lot behind this service station at 400 block East Jefferson, across from Dudley Hughes, and he had a white jacket on. We believe this is it.

See CE 1974, page 62:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1139&search=CE_1974#relPageId=894&tab=page

The 'unknown' officer #279 was officer J.T. Griffin of the Traffic Division of the Dallas Police Department according to Lawrence Exhibit 2, page 2:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1137&search=lawrence_exhibit#relPageId=510&tab=page

I trust this will put an end to the we-don't-know-who- found-the- jacket nonsense.

Actually, no it doesn't and it isn't nonsense. The officer that called it in wasn't the one who actually found the jacket.

Westbrook testified that an officer, who has never been identified, pointed him towards the jacket under a car. He picked it up and gave it to another officer before moving on to the Texas Theater. The officer he gave the jacket to could well have been Griffin, although that was also never confirmed.

So, we do indeed not know who found the jacket.

Online Joffrey van de Wiel

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« Reply #106 on: January 30, 2020, 08:31:56 PM »
Gentlemen, - Tim, John, Martin-

It appears I misspoke and apologize. However it seemed logical and rational to me that the officer who found the jacket actually called it in himself. 

But I note that in the radio log officer Griffin refers to more than just himself by the use of the phrase We believe this is it.  Therefore the possibility that he just called it in after another officer found the jacket can not be denied. No doubt the officer who actually discovered the discarded jacket in the parking lot typed up a report or is listed on the evidence log sheet, but I can't bloody find it. Most annoying  >:(

Offline John Iacoletti

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Re: Lame LN excuses
« Reply #107 on: January 30, 2020, 08:45:15 PM »
I don't think you'll ever find it, Joffrey.

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« Reply #108 on: January 30, 2020, 09:35:28 PM »
Gentlemen, - Tim, John, Martin-

It appears I misspoke and apologize. However it seemed logical and rational to me that the officer who found the jacket actually called it in himself. 

But I note that in the radio log officer Griffin refers to more than just himself by the use of the phrase We believe this is it.  Therefore the possibility that he just called it in after another officer found the jacket can not be denied. No doubt the officer who actually discovered the discarded jacket in the parking lot typed up a report or is listed on the evidence log sheet, but I can't bloody find it. Most annoying  >:(

Joffrey,

You will never be able to find that report because IMO it doesn't exist. In fact, to this day, nobody knows who the officer was that found the jacket under the car, nor does anybody know who the officer was who took the jacket to the police station, where it suddenly showed up some two hours later, again in possession of Westbrook, who had some officers, who were not even in the chain of custody, initial it before handing it in to the evidence room at around 3pm (if memory serves).

By then of course the white jacket had suddenly become grey. Go figure.

 

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