When Was JBC Hit?

[Dan O'meara]

Not all of us have your psychic power to know what JBC's brain is doing in moving his arm there.  Even JBC himself didn't know. He thought it was because he was turning before he was hit by the bullet he felt. But maybe he didn't have your gift.

I know this is useless but I might as well give it a try.
If you examine the clip below with an open and honest mind - and I do mean REALLY examine it - you cannot help but see JBC's reaction to being shot.
You aren't fooling anyone by insisting JBC is showing a 'concerned' reaction. It is most probable that you are just fooling yourself.
I imagine that you are refusing to really examine this clip because you know how it will undermine your cherished "theory".



Are you really seeing JBC acting in a 'concerned' way?
Really?

[John Corbett]

I already did - a forensic analysis of the Z-film

1] Oswald wasn't tracking anything as he wasn't in the SN at the time of the shooting
2] The shooter was fully aware of the tree, it didn't 'suddenly come into view' 
3] The shooter had visualised the open space just beyond the tree as the 'kill zone'.  The limo would be at it's straightest from his POV, with minimal lateral movement.
4] Read through "The First Shot" thread to familiarise yourself with this issue rather than just swallow the WC Report down hook, line and sinker.
5] If the sound of the shots was so distant it would not have created any Jiggle for anyone to Analyse. That's the importance of Sitzman's observation. Jiggle Analysis is meaningless for the Z-film.

I don't even know what to make with #1. Is it your theory that Oswald brought his rifle into the TSBD in the rifle bag with his palm and fingerprint on the bottom of the bag, assembled it for someone else to use, placing his palm print on the underside of the barrel in the process, then handed it over for someone else to use to shoot JFK and before he left, he pressed the butt of the rifle against his shirt to deposit fibers from it and also planted a few of his fingerprints on top of the boxes stacked by the window. If Oswald was a patsy, he had to be the most cooperative patsy ever because he did so many things that made him look guilty.

I will never understand why CTs feel compelled to reach for the most convoluted explanations imaginable to explain the evidence rather than just accept the simplest, most straight forward explanation that the reason for the evidence being what it was, is that Oswald smuggled the rifle into work to use it to kill JFK.

As for #2, if the shooter was going to try to get off a shot before JFK ducked under the tree, he would have started tracking his target as soon as the limo made the turn onto Elm. That would have created tunnel vision. He was probably hoping to get a clear shot at JFK before the tree came into play but when the branches appeared in his scope, it's not hard to imagine he would rush the shot, possibly contributing to the bad miss.

I agree with #3 but I also believe Oswald wanted to give himself an extra chance by taking the difficult early shot. Even if that shot only had a 10% chance of landing, that's a better shot than not taking the shot at all.

As for #4, I've been familiarizing myself with all the issues regarding the JFKA for 35 years. I really don't need some CT explaining them to me.

#5 makes no sense. The sound of a high powered rifle at 90 yards is going to be plenty loud. It resulted in a jiggle 7-8 frames after the second shot and another 7-8 frames after the third shot. I see no reason why it would not have caused a jiggle on the first shot.

[John Corbett]

Not all of us have your psychic power to know what JBC's brain is doing in moving his arm there.  Even JBC himself didn't know. He thought it was because he was turning before he was hit by the bullet he felt. But maybe he didn't have your gift.

I don't need psychic power to figure that JBC was reacting to his right arm being struck in the wrist when his arm suddenly flipped up in the air at precisely the same instant JFK's arms suddenly flipped up in reaction to having been hit by the same bullet that struck JBC's wrist. All I need to do is apply common sense to figure out the obvious reason for this.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

#5 makes no sense. The sound of a high powered rifle at 90 yards is going to be plenty loud. It resulted in a jiggle 7-8 frames after the second shot and another 7-8 frames after the third shot. I see no reason why it would not have caused a jiggle on the first shot.

The problem is Zapruder never mentions hearing any sound for a first shot, anything to cause a jiggle. He said he heard two shots not three. Wouldn't he have heard the shot that caused the first jiggle?

So you believe he heard a shot that caused a jiggle even though he said he never heard one?

His WC testimony:
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Well, as the car came in line almost--I believe it was almost in line. I was standing up here and I was shooting through a telephoto lens, which is a zoom lens and as it reached about--I imagine it was around here--I heard the first shot and I saw the President lean over and grab himself like this (holding his left chest area).
Mr. LIEBELER - Grab himself on the front of his chest?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Right---something like that. In other words, he was sitting like this and waving and then after the shot he just went like that.
Mr. LIEBELER - He was sitting upright in the car and you heard the shot and you saw the President slump over?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Leaning--leaning toward the side of Jacqueline. For a moment I thought it was, you know, like you say, "Oh, he got me," when you hear a shot--you've heard these expressions and then I saw---I don't believe the President is going to make jokes like this, but before I had a chance to organize my mind, I heard a second shot and then I saw his head opened up and the blood and everything came out and I started--I can hardly talk about it [ the witness crying].

He said he heard the shot that caused JFK to "grab himself" (the first shot he heard) and then he heard the shot that killed JFK (the second shot he heard). Two shots. But nothing about any shots prior to that.

[John Corbett]

The problem is Zapruder never mentions hearing any sound for a first shot, anything to cause a jiggle. He said he heard two shots not three. Wouldn't he have heard the shot that caused the first jiggle?

So you believe he heard a shot that caused a jiggle even though he said he never heard one?

His WC testimony:
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Well, as the car came in line almost--I believe it was almost in line. I was standing up here and I was shooting through a telephoto lens, which is a zoom lens and as it reached about--I imagine it was around here--I heard the first shot and I saw the President lean over and grab himself like this (holding his left chest area).
Mr. LIEBELER - Grab himself on the front of his chest?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Right---something like that. In other words, he was sitting like this and waving and then after the shot he just went like that.
Mr. LIEBELER - He was sitting upright in the car and you heard the shot and you saw the President slump over?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Leaning--leaning toward the side of Jacqueline. For a moment I thought it was, you know, like you say, "Oh, he got me," when you hear a shot--you've heard these expressions and then I saw---I don't believe the President is going to make jokes like this, but before I had a chance to organize my mind, I heard a second shot and then I saw his head opened up and the blood and everything came out and I started--I can hardly talk about it [ the witness crying].

He said he heard the shot that caused JFK to "grab himself" (the first shot he heard) and then he heard the shot that killed JFK (the second shot he heard). Two shots. But nothing about any shots prior to that.

People don't always remember things that happen. It seems odd but there were a lot of people who only remember hearing two shots when a clear majority remembered hearing three. That first shot just didn't register in their brains for whatever reason. Clint Hill is a perfect example of someone who only remembers hearing two shots. He thought JFK was hit by the first shot. This is completely inconsistent with JBC's memory of hearing a shot, feeling the next shot hit him in the back, then hearing the headshot that splattered blood and brains on him. Glen Bennett riding in the same car as Hill heard a shot while looking at the crowd on the right, then turned toward JFK in time to see the next two shots strike him. How do you explain why Hill only remembers two shots and Bennett remembers hearing three. I can't. I can only guess. But I know that is what happened.

The jiggle is a completely involuntary response. The person holding the camera cannot help but react even knowing a shot is going to be fired. Even though the shot didn't register in Zapruder's brain, he would have reacted to it. We see the same kind of jiggle at Z155 that we later see at Z227 and Z318. This is not proof positive of a shot around Z148, but it is highly probative.

[Andrew Mason]

The problem is Zapruder never mentions hearing any sound for a first shot, anything to cause a jiggle. He said he heard two shots not three. Wouldn't he have heard the shot that caused the first jiggle?

In his WFAA interview with Jay Watson just after the events, Zapruder said he heard the first shot and saw JFK reacting. He then heard one or two more shots after JFK started reacting:


It makes no sense that he would fail to hear the first shot.  Everyone heard it. Zapruder was not counting the shots after that first shot and wasn’t sure if there were one or two more after that.

[Dan O'meara]

In his WFAA interview with Jay Watson just after the events, Zapruder said he heard the first shot and saw JFK reacting. He then heard one or two more shots after JFK started reacting:


It makes no sense that he would fail to hear the first shot.  Everyone heard it. Zapruder was not counting the shots after that first shot and wasn’t sure if there were one or two more after that.

Sitzman described the shots as a noise off in the distance. Nothing compared to the sirens or the coke bottle smashing.
This rules out Jiggle Analysis as a valid approach to the Z-film. The noise of the shots wasn't enough to startle Zapruder.