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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Last post by Tom Graves on February 14, 2026, 11:03:42 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on February 14, 2026, 03:10:21 AM
   
Have you actually looked at the National Geographic film snippet showing Amos Euins sitting inside Inspector Sawyer's car? The car on the other side of the street is easily seen in that snippet. The telltale taillight/brake light too.

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

You're such a lousy communicator.

When you say, "the car on the other side of the street," I guess you mean some car parked on the TSBD side of Elm Street Extension.

If so, what makes you think the two light-colored cars (one of which appears to be a Ford and the other of which is almost completely obscured by the front of Sawyers' car) in the National Geographic film were parked there when Wiegman and Darnell were filming about an hour earlier during the shooting?

In the Wiegman clip, the decorative horizontal "scalloped" part of the rear panel of your 1958 Pontiac Bonneville Abandoned Getaway Car can be seen immediately to the left of the crossed arm of "Fedora Man on the Island."

You mistakenly believe that that distinctive part of your 1958 Pontiac Bonneville Abandoned Getaway Car is part of another car on the other side of Elm Street Extension in the Wiegman film.

Charles has already pointed out not only the "scalloped area" of the 1958 Pontiac Bonneville in the Wiegman clip, but its right front tire and windshield as well.

Bottom line: Your "Abandoned Getaway Car" in Darnell was there all along!

Get over it and try to cook up some other tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theory now.

This one has been blown out of the water, dude.


-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Last post by Tom Graves on February 14, 2026, 04:50:34 AM »
Quote from: Gerry Down on February 14, 2026, 03:57:04 AM
What other thread was it debunked in? I'd like to see Royells research in this area.

Click on "A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys" and knock yourself out.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Last post by Gerry Down on February 14, 2026, 03:57:04 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on February 14, 2026, 03:10:21 AM
   
    Have you actually looked at the National Geographic film snippet showing Amos Euins sitting inside Inspector Sawyer's car? The car on the other side of the street is easily seen in that snippet. The telltale tail light/brake light too. This car "claim" was thoroughly debunked before I posted this discovery, and then debunked again in another thread on this forum.

What other thread was it debunked in? I'd like to see Royells research in this area.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Last post by Royell Storing on February 14, 2026, 03:10:21 AM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on February 13, 2026, 11:01:27 PM
Dear Sonderführer Storing,

You're mistaken.

You're "seeing" what you desperately need to see.

Just admit that you were wrong , . . .  if you've got the cajónes to do so.

-- Tom
   
    Have you actually looked at the National Geographic film snippet showing Amos Euins sitting inside Inspector Sawyer's car? The car on the other side of the street is easily seen in that snippet. The telltale tail light/brake light too. This car "claim" was thoroughly debunked before I posted this discovery, and then debunked again in another thread on this forum. 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Last post by Tom Graves on February 13, 2026, 11:01:27 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on February 13, 2026, 10:52:47 PM
That yellow arrow is pointing to the REAR END of a car parked on the other side of the street. The circular thing you see is a Large Tail Light/Brake Light on the car. And you can see nothing but the surface street between the people standing there and this car. This is because the car is on the other side of the street.

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

You're mistaken.

You're "seeing" what you desperately need to see.

Just admit that you were wrong , . . .  if you've got the cajónes to do so.

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Last post by Royell Storing on February 13, 2026, 10:52:47 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on February 13, 2026, 08:46:41 PM
Note: The above comment refers to the first post on this page which includes a frame from the Wiegman film that was posted a bit earlier by Charles Collins.

Charles drew one yellow arrow and one red arrow on said frame. The yellow arrow is pointing towards the upper horizontal line that all 1958 Pontiac Bonnevilles have in that "scalloped" part of the car.

  That yellow arrow is pointing to the REAR END of a car parked on the other side of the street. The circular thing you see is a Large Tail Light/Brake Light on the car. And you can see nothing but the surface street between the people standing there and this car. This is because the car is on the other side of the street.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Last post by Tom Graves on February 13, 2026, 08:46:41 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on February 13, 2026, 10:56:21 AM

Excellent work, Charles!

Note the distinctive horizontal line which is a little above the yellow arrow and is a continuation of "Fedora Man's" crossed forearm in this frame from the Wiegman clip. There's another horizontal line below it which is harder to make out because it's in the shade from an overhanging tree branch.

These two horizontal lines, which are about a foot-and-a-half apart, delineate the light-colored recessed area from the darker color of the main body.

Google "1958 Pontiac Bonneville" to see more examples of this design feature.


Note: The above comment refers to the first post on this page which includes a frame from the Wiegman film that was posted a bit earlier by Charles Collins.

Charles drew a yellow arrow pointing to the rear panel of the "Abandoned Getaway Car," a red arrow pointing to the top of the windshield, and a green arrow pointing to the passenger's side front tire.The yellow arrow is pointing towards the upper of two horizontal lines that all 1958 Pontiac Bonnevilles have in that "scalloped" area.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Last post by Tom Graves on February 13, 2026, 08:25:22 PM »
Quote from: Charles Collins on February 12, 2026, 11:31:26 PM

The chrome rear bumper of the car we see parked next to the island is blocking the view of the front portion of the right rear wheel of the car you are referring to. Its taillight can be seen slightly above that chrome bumper (yellow arrows). The front of this car parked next to the island appears to be to the right of the two poles outlined in yellow (due to the angle of the line of sight). Therefore your “getaway car” is further away from the camera towards the TSBD and is not the same car we have been discussing.



The dark horizontal line that the upper arrow is pointing to on "The Abandoned Getaway Car" is visible in a frame or two in the Wiegman clip.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Last post by Royell Storing on February 13, 2026, 02:45:10 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on February 13, 2026, 10:56:21 AM
Excellent work!

  Again, this car with the arrow pointing at it is parked on the Other Side of the Elm St Extension. It is facing the railroad yard. That car is seen on the National Geographic presentation showing Amos Euins sitting inside Inspector Sawyer's car. The red TAIL LIGHT of this car matches up perfectly with a car parked in front of Inspector Sawyer's car. You can also see the empty surface street between Fedora Man & Purse Woman and this car that is parked on the other side of the Elm Street Extension,
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Last post by Royell Storing on February 13, 2026, 02:35:37 PM »
Quote from: Gerry Down on February 13, 2026, 02:53:23 AM
Look at the centre of the photograph Collins has posted here. There is a man in a black suit with his hands folded. To his right is a woman with a large handbag and she is looking towards the triple underpass. In-between this man and woman can be seen two cars overlapping.

The rear passenger quarter panel of the mystery car is visible.

The car was there all along 😎

   The car you are referencing is parked on the Other Side of the Elm St Extension. the car is facing the railroad yard and you are seeing the rear of that car, including the tail light. This car has already been matched up with the National Geographic filmed snippet showing Amos Euins sitting in the back seat of Inspector Sawyer's car. That car is in front of Sawyer's car near the Huge Gates. This was addressed during peer review and then again on this Forum in a different thread. The "getaway" car is Not on the Wiegman Film. At this point in time, the "getaway" car is rolling down the Elm St Extension. It began rolling when it heard the 1st shot being fired. That was the wheel man's que.   
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