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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 04:44:11 AM »
A lot of people were there and they gave different versions of what happened and some of them have to be wrong because they can't all be right. You've never understood that.
It is not just Altgens.  There were at least 47 witnesses who said the last two shots were close together and another 20 said the first shot was when JFK was farther down Elm Street than his position at z180 and another 25 said JFK visibly reacted to the first shot.  All corroborate Altgens.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 04:37:12 AM »
Just to take one example from your litany of lame rationalizations, you say "Jackie moved [turned, to be more precise] her head [to her left starting at Z-145] to acknowledge the crowd."

Rhetorical question: Is that why she had a concerned look on her face as she was looking directly at Robert Croft in his well-known Z-161 photograph?

Seems like a strange way to "acknowledge the crowd."

Over 80 witnesses provided evidence that is inconsistent with a shot at that point. Even Croft said his photo was not only before the first shot, but he had time to wind his camera and get ready to take another before the first shot. So your insistence that they were all, independently, wrong but mutually consistent with each other because you can read her face is difficult to understand.  In any event, face reading is not a science and is nothing more than speculation with zero evidentiary or persuasive value.

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By the way, you never gave a rational answer to my question:

Why did Secret Service Agent George Hickey lean so far over the side of the car, and when did he begin that motion?

Since there hadn’t been a shot, if he was leaning out it must have been to get a better look at something unrelared to a rifle shot, possibly people who were standing in the roadway.
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If big-tall, black-blouse-and-black-headscarf-wearing Gloria Calvery and her all-in-white colleague, Carol Reed, are seen standing about fifty yards down Elm Street in Zapruder and end up on the TSBD steps in Couch/Darnell, they must have run to the steps after the fatal headshot.

Correct.

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Graves, you forgot to credit me for identifying Joe Molina as the man who's facing Calvery on the steps.

Just curious:

As Credit Manager at the TSBD, didn't Joe wear a suit every day?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 03:49:57 AM »
[...]

Jefferson "Yuri Nosenko Was a True Defector" Morley's "JFK Facts" (sic).

Gag me with a KGB spoon.
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The point is being avoided that if Calvery & Reed are seen in the Newsweek enlargements of Zapruder in the motorcade spectators and then end up on the front steps in Couch/Darnell that they ran there in between...

Graves...You forgot to credit me for Molina facing Calvery on the steps...
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What is obvious is the much higher "Burden Of Proof" required on this Forum.

That statement is contradicted by the fact that you and your CT ilk spew virtual diarrhea here several times a day.
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Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

I love it when two tinfoil-hat CTs like you and Doyle argue with each other!

-- Tom

   What is obvious is the much higher "Burden Of Proof" required on this Forum. 
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 02:32:18 AM »
The clearest reaction [to the first, missing-everything, shot] is JBC's head turn [back to his right] at Z-164. A shot at theoretical Z-124 would have been heard by him at theoretical Z-126. That's 38 frames, or just over two seconds.

Between Z-133 and Z-143, JFK is looking at the spectators to his right (and either waving to them or brushing his hair back), as is JBC, who is just looking at them.

In Z-143, JFK starts turning his head quickly towards Jackie and then turns it quickly back to his right, towards the spectators.

At Z-150, JBC quickly turns his head to his left about 45 degrees and is "captured" looking almost straight ahead in the Z-161 Robert Croft photo.

In Z-164, JBC starts turning his head quickly back to his right about 120 degrees to try to catch a glimpse of JFK over his right shoulder, but he can't "see" (i.e., recognize) him because by Z-180 JFK has turned his head far to his right and has raised his hand and forearm to wave to someone, thereby partially obscuring JBC's (peripheral) view of his face.

Point being: JBC consciously reacted to Oswald's "Z-124" shot about 1.31 seconds after hearing it, not "just over two seconds" after hearing it.
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Here's the unsolvable problem that Altgens 6 poses for the lone-gunman theory: It shows damage to the windshield of JFK's limousine. Nobody disputes this fact.

Someone should compile a list of the ridiculous claims that you have made over the years. You are a sad strange little man. No damage to the windshield can be seen in Atgens 6. There isn't a single Lone Nutter who believes that the windshield was damaged before the head shot. And only very few conspiracy theorists maintain that damage is visible in Altgens 6. They are a fringe element.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Oswald In Helsinki
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 01:40:54 AM »
Interesting tidbit on LHO first crossing the border into Russia:

"There is also a curious snippet from a man named Bill Trousdale, who happened to share a train from Helsinki into Russia with LHO. Fellow Americans, the pair bantered a bit on the train.

According to JFK Facts, “Trousdale saw Oswald get special treatment from the Russian border guards: “At the border my bags were given pretty thorough going over,” Trousdale wrote, “but they scarcely looked at Lee’s.’”

Was LHO already a de facto KGB asset, and waved through the Russian border?

Some have posited LHO may have been working for CIA'er Bruce Solie, who is further posited to have been a KGB asset.
That is an interesting CT on JFKA-world.

So...how long did LHO remain a KGB asset? Was LHO a witting KGB asset? Did the KGB "lay off" LHO onto G2 or DGI??

Why was LBJ so concerned about LHO-Havana connections?



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