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Could this be the real deal:

“A May 15, 1973, memo in the files of researcher Richard Popkin recounts a conversation with former CIA official Victor Marchetti in which Marchetti reportedly offered "a theory he claimed to have heard that fits with his own picture of the chaos in the CIA; namely that the KGB has infiltrated the CIA and the CIA has infiltrated the KGB so it is impossible at the present stage to tell who is who (he mentioned a case of having been sent to meet somebody and being shown all sorts of identification and then being totally unable to tell whether he was dealing with a U.S. or Russian agent). Marchetti thinks it is the KGB branch of the CIA that killed Kennedy and that the U.S. CIA is too embarrassed to investigate and reveal the real state of affairs."

LHO as de facto KGB asset?

The New Democrats are throwing the dirt on the grave of Bill Clinton with the Epstein files. Hillary too. Out with the old and in with the new. Such is Democratic politics. This is what we are seeing. A very common thing in the Democrat ranks. Eating your own.

Dear Comrade Storing,

Your hero, The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx"), aka The Pedo In Charge, has probably already directed Bondo Bondi to release, after The House passes the Discharge Petition tomorrow with a veto-proof majority and the Senate follows suit, only those files which incriminate "Dems." Either that, or to reopen the investigation and "leak" only those Democrat-incriminating documents and make all of those that implicate "Republicans," billionaire donors, and himself untouchable due to said "ongoing investigation" and/or "national security concerns."

-- Tom

In Z260, Connally isn't trying to turn to see anything: he is obviously twisting and writhing in pain from having a bullet tear through his chest and smash his right radius bone.

Correct, but some tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorists think (sic) that he is.

Connally, the guy who actually experienced the wounding, said the bullet hit him in Z234, which is why barely 200 milliseconds later his right shoulder is slammed downward, and a pained look appears on his face.

He was mistaken due to the trauma he had suffered.

Since his tie and lapel flipped outward in frames Z-223 and Z-224, respectively, and because and his right shoulder was driven downward and he was grimacing in Z-222, we know that he was hit at that time.

Or do you think (sic) it was a gust of wind or a reflection of sunlight on both of them?

Two, we know from medical science that JFK was hit before Z222. Experts from both sides agree that JFK's Z225 reaction alone proves he must have been hit absolutely no later than Z221, because it would have taken JFK at least four frames to physically react to being wounded, whether the reaction was an automatic reflex reaction or a voluntary reaction.

It depends on when you believe JFK first reacted to being shot.

Lone Gunman Advocate Patrick Collins believes JFK was hit at Z-221.5

Moreover, JFK is obviously starting in bring his left hand upward toward his throat in Z224, and Jackie is already staring at him intensely in Z224, which proves he could not have been later than Z220. The HSCA's photographic experts determined that JFK was hit at Z186-190, a conclusion supported by a host of other experts.

1) The favorite word of every JFKA charlatan in the world is "obviously."

2) After Croft famously captured her staring at him (Croft) with an alarmed look on her face in Z-161, Jackie started turning her head back to her right around Z-165 and wasn't, by Z-196, "staring intently at JFK," but simply looking in the same direction as JBC (who, like her, was turned far to his right -- see below), and she continued doing so until your precious Z-224.

Three, Connally told the WC he was not hit before Z231. After studying high-quality prints of the relevant Zapruder frames under high magnification for Life magazine, Connally said he was absolutely certain he was not hit before Z229. Anyone not blinded by the single-bullet theory (SBT) can see that the Zapruder film proves Connally was correct.

Connally had repressed the correct memory of a traumatic incident in his life.

But at least he correctly remembered recognizing the loud sound (at "Z-224") as a high-powered rifle shot coming from "behind him and to his right, and he remembered "instinctively" turning to his right (starting at Z-150) to see if JFK was okay but not being able to "see" him in the corner of his eye (because JFK had turned his head far to his right and he was waving to someone).

Four, the mythical "lapel flip" at Z224 is an optical illusion caused by reflected sunlight, which explains why it occurs in only 54 milliseconds.

Was the tie flip a reflection, as well?

Five, the SBT requires that the alleged single bullet was traveling sideways when it hit Connally in the back and tore through his chest, but the back wound was too small and the chest wound tract was too narrow to have been caused by a sideways-traveling bullet.

The Single Bullet Theory doesn't require that, but that's what the bullet did as indicated by the fact that it left a 15mm x 6mm hole in JBC's back.

Why does the SBT require the fanciful assumption that the bullet was traveling sideways? One major reason is that the slight distortion of CE 399's lands and grooves proves that whatever it hit, it hit with its side, i.e., it was traveling sideways.

Even if CE-399 hadn't started yawing when it exited JFK's throat, the SBT would still be correct.

Six, we now know that on the night of the autopsy, the autopsy doctors positively, definitively, absolutely established via prolonged probing that JFK's back wound was shallow and had no exit point, which is why the first two drafts of the autopsy report said nothing about the throat wound being an exit point for the back wound. Technicians around the autopsy table could even see the end of the probe pushing up against the lining of the chest cavity because the autopsy doctors removed the chest organs to facilitate the probing and to enable them to see where the wound tract led.

It's positively, definitively and absolutely true that by the time of the autopsy doctors' heroic probing attempt, rigor mortis had already set in on JFK's corpse, thereby making it impossible to probe the track of CE-399 through the muscles of his upper back / lower neck.

Seven, the hard physical evidence of JFK's clothing proves to any rational person that JFK's back wound was well below the throat wound and that the bullet could not possibly have exited the throat without smashing through the spine and creating a large, gashed exit wound (the throat wound was only 3-6 mm in diameter, neat, and punched inward). Moreover, photos of JFK's tie and shirt slits prove that no bullet exited the throat, and, as mentioned, we know that the back wound was shallow and had no exit point.

If what you say is correct, then the medical staff carelessly hacked through JFK's tie with a potential jugular-slicing scalpel.

When we look at Z-260, we've got to ask ourselves, "Would JBC really have turned around so far to see "where the shot had come from" and "try to catch a glimpse of JFK over his shoulder". . . ?

Especially since we know now that, having heard the sounds of Oswald's first, missing-everything "Z-124" shot and having consciously and rapidly turned his head to his left starting at Z-150, JBC, in a futile attempt see where the shot had come from and to try to catch a glimpse of JFK, started turning far to his right in Z-165 and was still turned significantly in that direction when both he and JFK were struck by CE-399 at Z-222/Z-224.

More Flat Earthish lone-gunman fantasy material. This utter, silly nonsense has been refuted in this forum many times over, but WC true believers just keep posting it anyway, apparently hoping that newcomers won't stumble across the refutations.

One, in Z260, Connally isn't trying to turn to see anything: he is obviously twisting and writhing in pain from having a bullet tear through his chest and smash his right radius bone. Connally, the guy who actually experienced the wounding, said the bullet hit him in Z234, which is why barely 200 milliseconds later his right shoulder is slammed downward and a pained look appears on his face.

Two, we know from medical science that JFK was hit before Z222. Experts from both sides agree that JFK's Z225 reaction alone proves he must have been hit absolutely no later than Z221, because it would have taken JFK at least four frames to physically react to being wounded, whether the reaction was an automatic reflex reaction or a voluntary reaction. Even Lattimer acknowledged this fact.

Moreover, JFK is obviously starting in bring his left hand upward toward his throat in Z224, and Jackie is already staring at him intensely in Z224, which proves he could not have been later than Z220. The HSCA's photographic experts determined that JFK was hit at Z186-190, a conclusion supported by a host of other experts.

Three, Connally told the WC he was not hit before Z231. After studying high-quality prints of the relevant Zapruder frames under high magnification for Life magazine, Connally said he was absolutely certain he was not hit before Z229. Anyone not blinded by the single-bullet theory (SBT) can see that the Zapruder film proves Connally was correct.

Some might be thinking, "Shouldn't we take the word of the guy who actually experienced the wounding as to when the wounding occurred?" Well, you'd certainly logically and rationally think so, but WC apologists must lamely dismiss Connally as "mistaken" because his timing of the shot destroys the SBT and the lone-gunman theory.

Four, the mythical "lapel flip" at Z224 is an optical illusion caused by reflected sunlight, which explains why it occurs in only 54 milliseconds. Down here on Earth, lapels cannot flip up and down in 54 milliseconds, no matter how briskly the wind is blowing. For comparison and context, an involuntary eye blink takes at least 100 milliseconds.

Five, the SBT requires that the alleged single bullet was traveling sideways when it hit Connally in the back and tore through his chest, but the back wound was too small and the chest wound tract was too narrow to have been caused by a sideways-traveling bullet.

Why does the SBT require the fanciful assumption that the bullet was traveling sideways? One major reason is that the slight distortion of CE 399's lands and grooves proves that whatever it hit, it hit with its side, i.e., it was traveling sideways.

Six, we now know that on the night of the autopsy, the autopsy doctors positively, definitively, absolutely established via prolonged probing that JFK's back wound was shallow and had no exit point, which is why the first two drafts of the autopsy report said nothing about the throat wound being an exit point for the back wound. Technicians around the autopsy table could even see the end of the probe pushing up against the lining of the chest cavity because the autopsy doctors removed the chest organs to facilitate the probing and to enable them to see where the wound tract led.

Seven, the hard physical evidence of JFK's clothing proves to any rational person that JFK's back wound was well below the throat wound and that the bullet could not possibly have exited the throat without smashing through the spine and creating a large, gashed exit wound (the throat wound was only 3-6 mm in diameter, neat, and punched inward). Moreover, photos of JFK's tie and shirt slits prove that no bullet exited the throat, and, as mentioned, we know that the back wound was shallow and had no exit point.

JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MAgWA0frOLVeWY6ok9nzdrgpRN4Wv1AL/view

This thread is Exhibit A for the refusal of lone-gunman theorists to deal credibly and objectively with evidence that destroys their version of the shooting. Any objective reader of this thread will see that WC apologists have no rational, believable answers to the compelling evidence that the brain photos simply cannot be pictures of JFK's brain.

Yet, lone-gunman theorists will continue to pretend that their case is valid, that the autopsy materials are pristine and reliable, and that there was no cover-up because there was only one gunman and only three shots, etc., etc. They will pretend that there is no evidence of fraud and alteration in the autopsy materials, that all of the contradictions and problems with those materials have been explained.

Most of their "explanations" boggle the mind. A few examples:

The nurses who cleaned JFK's large head wound and packed it with gauze, and the morticians at the autopsy who reassembled JFK's skull, could not tell the difference between a wound above the right ear and a wound 3-4 inches farther back on the head that included part of the occiput and revealed severe damage to the cerebellum.

The Parkland doctors, including the chief neurosurgeon, somehow mistook parietal brain tissue for cerebellar brain tissue, even though the cerebellum looks very different from the rest of the brain.

A bullet that entered at the EOP site at a downward angle could have somehow, someway missed not only the cerebellum but the right occipital lobe.

Or, the autopsy doctors and the autopsy radiologist somehow, someway mistook an entry wound that was in the parietal bone, that was above the lambda and the lambdoid suture, at least 5 inches above the hairline and 4 inches above the EOP--they somehow, someway mistook this wound for a wound that was in the lower half of the occiput, only 1 cm above the EOP and 1 inch above the hairline.

The "large chunk of brain" that Jackie handed to Dr. Jenkins in the Parkland ER was reattached to the brain before the autopsy brain photos were taken! No, I'm not kidding. Jack Nessan made this argument.

The bits of JFK's brain that splattered or fell onto 16 surfaces amounted to less than 2 ounces of brain tissue.

Here's the core problem: If lone-gunman theorists admit that the autopsy brain photos are fraudulent and that the skull x-rays show far more missing brain tissue than the brain photos show, their entire case collapses.

You must have run out of the make-believe experts? Even your experts' statements do not support this tripe. The hospital nurses are now your new experts?

Unbelievable, now you are advocating the piece of JFK’s brain, that Jackie held in her hand was not somehow retained and preserved but instead just fed to the pups? What a delusional thing to post, but it seems in total character and explains the rest of this odd ranting narrative. The reason this odd story is so easily dismissed is because there is not a shred of proof or logic in any of it.

How about clue in. The bullet did so much damage that the skull was fractured into many pieces. You are unable to understand that the concussion of the bullet fragmenting, basically scrambled the brain. Are you really this lame?

Really, you think they would put the pieces of brain back into the skull to photograph them. You claim everything is faked except now this story of putting the brains back is part of your theory? This is how pathetic this really is. You cannot tell an honest story or make a viable case that his odd conspiracy theory even exists. It is all fantasy from start to finish. If there was even a morsel of truth in any part of this, you would not have to resort to tall tales, make believe experts, or to resort to absolute fiction to try and convince anyone of the validity of this brain damage nonsense. 

How about prove anything at all. Start there.