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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« Last post by Dan O'meara on August 15, 2026, 10:48:57 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on August 15, 2026, 03:31:59 AM
                          You obviously have not examined the NBC/Sixth Floor Museum's 1st generation copy of the opening :20 seconds of the Darnell Film. The driver standing outside of the camera car is on the opening frames of this Darnell Film snippet.
 

                                                                          - Go to YOU TUBE and search -

                         "NBC 5 Archive Collection | Assassination Aftermath in Dealey Plaza | Darnell Film"    by - SixthFloorMuseum  (:44)

Here is the very opening frame of that Darnell footage and there is your man, flat-footed as you stated:



I am going to start another thread based on an analysis of this frame. I am convinced there must be information in this frame from which we can determine how long after the headshot the Darnell footage started. This will then determine how quickly Baker arrived at the TSBD building steps.
I'm sure this kind of analysis has been attempted before but I'd like to give it a go.
There are many films and photos taken in the immediate aftermath of the shooting and it would be interesting to see if a detailed timeline can be determined from them.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Last post by Dan O'meara on August 15, 2026, 10:38:23 PM »
Quote from: Brian Doyle on August 15, 2026, 04:56:17 PM
You're just asking for proof of what's already been proven...

When the two men seen fast-walking up the extension are seen wearing the same clothes as Lovelady & Shelley, have the same plaid pattern, bald spot, body type, black jacket, white shirt collar, duck's Bahookie hair doo, and are where they are supposed to be according to testimony, that's usually good enough for proof with credible researchers...I have no interest in obnoxious moot court silly games...

I see no evidence that the Sprague copy has been altered...

The 6th Floor Museum copy will show the same thing as Sprague...

Listen Brian, you're clearly not a stupid person but there is something a little unsavoury about your approach to this issue.
You constantly repeat that Shelley and Lovelady "are where they are supposed to be according to testimony" but this is a bare-faced lie. It's really not on, to keep repeating this ludicrous claim over and over. You have been challenged on this a number of times but you offer nothing but childish daydreams. The testimony you are referring to is their WC testimony. When it's pointed out to you that, according to their WC testimony, BOTH MEN stayed on the steps for at least 3 minutes before they left the steps you cry that the conspirators made them lie. But if that's the case how can they be where they are supposed to be "according to testimony"? I would like you to answer this question, but you won't, because you are not credible. You are a blowhard who refuses to back up his claims with any kind of evidence.
You also conveniently forget that, according to their WC testimonies, BOTH MEN ran across to the "little, old island" where they stayed for "a minute or two" before heading along the extension. How does that fit into your made-up nonsense?
You waffle on about Sandy Larsen's photo analysis but never provide a link or any kind of hint as to where anyone might find this. It wouldn't surprise me if all this analysis has somehow mysteriously disappeared and, by some miracle, you are the only one who remembers it.

Your opinion is based on a single image.
It is the Sprague image...the image being disputed in this thread.
There is no other image that supports the Sprague image even though there are many versions of the Couch footage. There is no other image that shows the detail in 'Lovelady's' shirt or his bald spot.
I believe you are lying when you suggest their are other images.
I find you lack any kind of credibility.
And that is truly disappointing.

I see no evidence that the Sprague copy has been altered...

This is the Sprague image below.
Do you notice the light square around the two men?
What do you think that is?



How is it that such a poor quality image can provide such amazing detail?

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by John Corbett on August 15, 2026, 10:21:54 PM »
Quote from: Andrew Mason on August 15, 2026, 09:26:50 PM
Even if JFK was as far right as possible at z222, which means he leaned quite a bit to the left between z222 and z224, half a body width is not nearly enough. The bullet was moving from right to left at an angle of almost 10 degrees:



If it went through JFK’s neck at z222 it would have missed JBC’s right armpit by 4 inches to the left. JBC had to have been sitting with his left buttock off the seat for the trajectory to work at z222.
What is goofy is suggesting that JBC feared an assassination was occurring and was straining to look at JFK here:


JFK was as far right as possible and where the hell do you get the idea he leaned left between Z222 and Z224? Is that what you have to assume happened to make your scenario sound plausible? It's not working. The kindest adjective I could come up with to describe it is bizarre. It just gets funnier and funnier the herder you try to save it.

if the bullet would have missed his right armpit 4 inches to the left it would have hit him square in the back, just right of his spine. That isn't where it hit him. Where it hit him is perfectly in line with the bullet exiting JFK's throat.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by Andrew Mason on August 15, 2026, 09:26:50 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on August 15, 2026, 08:48:53 PM
Of course it works because JBC was about a half a body width to the left of JFK. That is exactly whether the bullet exiting his throat should have struck him.
Even if JFK was as far right as possible at z222, which means he leaned quite a bit to the left between z222 and z224, half a body width is not nearly enough. The bullet was moving from right to left at an angle of almost 10 degrees:



If it went through JFK’s neck at z222 it would have missed JBC’s right armpit by 4 inches to the left. JBC had to have been sitting with his left buttock off the seat for the trajectory to work at z222.

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It makes your goofy theory of the bullet going to the left of his torso and into his thigh even more ridiculous.
He turned to look over his right shoulder at Z164 when he snapped his head to the right and rotated his shoulders. He didn't turn far enough to see JFK and was just starting to turn back toward the front when the bullet hit both of them. That is the only way it could have happened.
What is goofy is suggesting that JBC feared an assassination was occurring and was straining to look at JFK here:

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by John Corbett on August 15, 2026, 08:48:53 PM »
Quote from: Andrew Mason on August 15, 2026, 07:54:22 PM
It would be silly if I suggested that the shot through JFK happened at z223 or thereabouts.  But I do not suggest that at all. The evidence indicates that it was the first shot and it happened earlier:as JFK approached the Thornton sign (T.E. Moore), an instant before z202 (Phil Willis), just after Betzner took his z186 photo, enough after Croft took his z161 photo for him to wind his film, as JFK passed between Linda Willus and the Stemmons sign, etc.  And at that time JBC’s torso was turned to the right. What does not work is any shot through JFK’s neck striking JBC on his right side.

Of course it works because JBC was about a half a body width to the left of JFK. That is exactly whether the bullet exiting his throat should have struck him. It makes your goofy theory of the bullet going to the left of his torso and into his thigh even more ridiculous.
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You seem to be ignoring the evidence of JBC that he turned around to look back at JFK, which was after the first shot and before he was hit in the back. That is the only time he turns to look back. You also seem to be ignoring the evidence that JBC’s doctors concluded that his chest injury was sustained when his chest was almost parallel to the trajectory if the bullet.

He turned to look over his right shoulder at Z164 when he snapped his head to the right and rotated his shoulders. He didn't turn far enough to see JFK and was just starting to turn back toward the front when the bullet hit both of them. That is the only way it could have happened.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by Andrew Mason on August 15, 2026, 07:54:22 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on August 15, 2026, 04:56:04 PM
The SBT is the only plausible explanation ever offered for JFK's non-fatal wounds and all of JBC's wounds. On countless occasions you have demonstrated how ridiculous alternative theories can be. It is preposterous to think that the bullet that exited JFK's throat could have missed JBC's torso and even sillier to think it would have entered his left thigh even with it flared out in as unnatural position as you have tried to demonstrate.
It would be silly if I suggested that the shot through JFK happened at z223 or thereabouts.  But I do not suggest that at all. The evidence indicates that it was the first shot and it happened earlier:as JFK approached the Thornton sign (T.E. Moore), an instant before z202 (Phil Willis), just after Betzner took his z186 photo, enough after Croft took his z161 photo for him to wind his film, as JFK passed between Linda Willus and the Stemmons sign, etc.  And at that time JBC’s torso was turned to the right. What does not work is any shot through JFK’s neck striking JBC on his right side.

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It is even more ridiculous to postulate that JBC was not shot prior to Z270, given the extreme gyrations he exhibited prior to then as well as his sudden arm flip at Z226 which perfectly coincided with JFK's sudden reaction to being shot through his upper back and throat. At least you have tried to offer an alternative, lame as it is. The CTs almost never even try. They just declare the SBT impossible without saying why or even attempting to offer a plausible alternative. They seem to know that there is no alternative that wouldn't be easily demolished as yours has been.
You seem to be ignoring the evidence of JBC that he turned around to look back at JFK, which was after the first shot and before he was hit in the back. That is the only time he turns to look back. You also seem to be ignoring the evidence that JBC’s doctors concluded that his chest injury was sustained when his chest was almost parallel to the trajectory if the bullet.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The Real Face Of The Real Babushka Lady
« Last post by Royell Storing on August 15, 2026, 06:59:47 PM »

  That 's Margo Martindale. She costarred in "Secretariat" (2010) and received an Emmy for her role in the"Justified" series (2010-2015) with Timothy Olyphant.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The Real Face Of The Real Babushka Lady
« Last post by John Corbett on August 15, 2026, 05:48:27 PM »
Quote from: Mark A. Oblazney on August 15, 2026, 05:40:33 PM
“That face…….. those lips………”

I know that face. It's Edith Bunker.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Why do JFK assassination forums draw so many nut cases?
« Last post by John Corbett on August 15, 2026, 05:47:17 PM »
Quote from: Brian Doyle on August 15, 2026, 05:29:42 PM
No...

The fact the authorities never followed-through to ask Jarman, Lovelady, or name the un-named cop and interrogate that cop, is the stronger evidence here and evidence of a cover-up you have failed to credibly answer

How do you interrogate and unnamed cop?
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...You are in denial of the fact that the 1963 investigation should have been very enthusiastic to get someone to confirm they saw Oswald leave through the front door...Especially after being told to step aside and wait by a cop...

Who saw that happen?
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But that's not what happened and every investigative authority that touched this did the opposite and buried it...This should have been explosive when Jarman told it in 1977 but the exact opposite happened and shortly after Lovelady dies...Hmmm...Conspiracy research would be really great if it wasn't for Conspiracy researchers...

What was there to bury? An unconfirmed hearsay rumor?
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You're hand-waving Corbett and you are badly failing to answer the question of why Lovelady did not tell this to the FBI or Warren Commission in 1963?...The reason why Lovelady held this back in 1963 is because his partner Shelley led Oswald out the Loading Dock after Oswald was told to step aside and wait by a cop at the front door...

Who witnessed that?
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This was expository of the conspiracy and evidenced Shelley's knowledge of who Oswald was and therefore exposed the conspiracy...]

How does Shelley knowing who Oswald was expose a conspiracy. You've got a few holes to fill there, Columbo.
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It is also the reason why they with-held the name of the cop at the front door and never investigated Oswald's departure from the Depository...

Who named the cop that nobody saw stop Oswald?
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Things you unaccountably have no curiosity over except for weak excuse-making...

Well, you've got me there. I have no interest in rumors based on third hand accounts of an event nobody witnesses.
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For the Conspiracy community to ignore this is a crime against their own practice...

This is one time I will side with the "Conspiracy community".
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The Real Face Of The Real Babushka Lady
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on August 15, 2026, 05:40:33 PM »
“That face…….. those lips………”
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