JFK Assassination Forum

Knott demonstrated, beyond any reasonable doubt, that a bullet passing through JFK would hit JBC in the back;



However, as good as their recreation of Dealey Plaza and the limo were, their recreation of the relative positions of JFK and JBC was way off. They had JBC sat almost directly in front of JFK when , in fact, he was sat a lot further inboard. Correcting this would correct where Knott estimated JBC was hit by a bullet passing through JFK:

   "...he was SAT a lot further inboard"? Nobody knows the physical body positions of JFK or Gov Connally when they went behind the Stemmons Sign. But if you look at overhead photos of the JFK Limo at the DC Lab, the Connally jump seat itself is physically DIRECTLY in front of the JFK seated portion of the backseat. Also, the Connally jump seat does NOT MOVE (R) or (L). It can Only move forward or backward due to being attached to a runner. And, if you look at Love Field footage when the (R) rear door of the JFK Limo is closed, you can see how Connally's (R) leg is pressed against that same door. They had to be extremely careful to NOT slam that door into Connally's (R) leg when they closed that door. This is how extremely close to the (R) side of the JFK Limo that the jump seat was Fixed. Both JFK and Connally also had their (R) elbows resting atop the (R) side of the car throughout their journey thru Dallas. ALL of this is indicative of their being seated "inline".   

The Roselle/Scearce 'study' has been debunked, as Thomas well knows.
Brian Roselle explained that, rather than using the study to determine when a first shot occurred, he assumed there was an early first shot and searched for evidence supporting this assumption.
Talk about "read it and weep"!

  DAN - Thanks for providing the "backstory" with respect to that Roselle/Scearce "study". I have yet to see any evidence supporting the Max Holland "early shot" scenario. But in spite of this, this baloney gets repeated by "water carriers" such as Graves. It's Urban Legends such as this that are eventually accepted as being fact over the course of time. Your going out of your way to set the record straight is extremely important and appreciated.   

https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/did-knott-laboratory-disprove-the-single-bullet-theory

Did Knott Laboratory Disprove the Single-Bullet Theory?

I believe that their recreation of the single-bullet theory substantiates Dale Myers' animation, and thus proves that one bullet went through Kennedy and Connally.

Knott demonstrated, beyond any reasonable doubt, that a bullet passing through JFK would hit JBC in the back;



However, as good as their recreation of Dealey Plaza and the limo were, their recreation of the relative positions of JFK and JBC was way off. They had JBC sat almost directly in front of JFK when , in fact, he was sat a lot further inboard. Correcting this would correct where Knott estimated JBC was hit by a bullet passing through JFK:

It must be causing you a great deal of anguish to have your silly little conspiracy theory get stepped on just because a couple of detectives were assigned to watch over the area. Are you coming to the end of these ridiculous odd theories that are basically meaningless to start with or are there more of them?

Maybe next time, read a little more before you start posting. There are numerous older threads that have dealt with this same information. You aren’t the first, just the latest.

So, the only problem you are having is where did Givens eat his lunch. Not did he or other workers eat a piece of chicken during the day? Wow, and now you are lying on the floor throwing a temper tantrum because Shelley noticed they would do just that?

Mr. Shelley’s, Det Johnson’s, and Det. Montgomery’s testimonies have not changed. If you look back on page 8, you can reread them. Maybe this time you will understand them.

 
Full meltdown mode, as expected.
For the THIRD time:

Do you agree that a partially eaten piece of chicken was found on top of the Sniper's Nest?
Now...here's the big one - Do you agree that a small lunch sack was also found on top of the Sniper's Nest?

Have a closer read of Shelley's testimony, Jack.
He is, basically, asked if he saw anyone eating chicken on the 6th floor on the day of the assassination. It's a Yes or No answer.
His reply could not be more vague - he might have, perhaps, maybe said that to unnamed someone at some unspecified time. But it turns out Givens, the man that Shelley thinks perhaps might have been eating fried chicken WASN'T eating fried chicken at all and that it was further west in the building than where the lunch remains in the third aisle were discovered.
So it couldn't have been Given's lunch remains found ON TOP of the Sniper's Nest even if they were Givens' lunch remains.

According to Shelley, Givens had his lunch at 9:30 IN THE MORNING, which is utter nonsense.
Givens had his lunch at lunch time and he was stood outside the building when he had it:

Mr. BELIN. I want to backtrack a minute before we come to the shots. When did you eat lunch?
Mr. GIVENS. When did I eat lunch? I ate lunch after. Let’s see, no; I ate lunch before I went up there, because I stood outside and ate my sandwich standing out there.
Mr. BELIN. You ate your lunch outside?
Mr. GIVENS. Yes, sir. Standing in front of the building.
Mr. BELIN. In front of what building?
Mr. GIVENS. Texas School Book.
Mr. BELIN. Did you ever eat any lunch inside the building?
Mr. GIVENS. Yes, sir ; I eat inside the building all the time.
Mr. BELIN. On November 22, did you eat inside the building?
Mr. GIVENS. No, sir.

There is no uncertainty in Given's mind.
He left his lunch in the domino room when he arrived at work and had his lunch at lunch time, stood outside the building.

Your little "two lunches" theory lies in tatters (like most every other theory you propose).
But, just for laughs, kindly explain to the forum how Given's imaginary lunch remains made it all the way over to ON TOP of the Sniper's Nest and where did they disappear to by the time Studebaker arrived on the scene.

Oooooh, I am straining, struggling, laboring, sweating bullets, drudging and slogging to invent, fabricate and imagine two shooters behind JFK on 11/22.

I can't figure out how Gov. JBC was struck ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313.

Last night I flatulated so hard I gained two inches of lift off the ceramic throne! Stress!

In fact, there is a small round hole in the back of JBC's assassination-day shirt.

https://www.tsl.texas.gov/sites/default/files/public/tslac/landing/documents/jfk-damaged-clothing18.pdf

Why Blakey and Baden, and a generation of LN'ers, jibber-jabbered about a "tumbling bullet" is somewhat comical. Basic physical evidence does not count?

Dr Robert Shaw leaned to the explanation that JBC was shot directly from above and behind. And wondered about the shot to JBC's wrist.

I agree with Shaw.

Castro, G2, KGB and Alpha-66 come to mind. Possibly CIA'ers who were really KGB assets.

Plenty of Cubans wanted revenge on JFK.

The LN explanation was preferred at the time (1963-4). Especially by KGB moles in the CIA?

Yeah, that bullet entrance "to the back side of JBC's wrist" is a real stumper, huh?

Regarding whether or not CE-399 tumbled between JFK's throat and JBC's back, do you think the so-called Single Bullet Theory is completely dependent on its having done so?