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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Richard Smith on June 27, 2025, 02:05:47 PM »
Reuters, June 26, 20253:05 PM PDT:

"Several experts have cautioned that Iran likely moved a stockpile of near weapons-grade highly enriched uranium out of the deeply buried Fordow site before the strikes and could be hiding it in unknown locations. They noted satellite imagery from Maxar Technologies showing "unusual activity" at Fordow on Thursday and Friday, with a long line of vehicles waiting outside an entrance to the facility. A senior Iranian source told Reuters on Sunday most of the 60% highly enriched uranium had been moved to an undisclosed location before the attack. The Financial Times, citing European intelligence assessments, reported that Iran's highly enriched uranium stockpile remains largely intact since it was not concentrated at Fordow."

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The New York Times:

Fate of Iran’s Enriched Uranium Is a Mystery

U.S. intelligence agencies had long assessed that, faced with the possibility of an attack on its nuclear facilities, Iran would try to move its stockpile.

Photo caption: Some of the uranium was believed to be held at the Natanz enrichment facility, seen here in 2007.

After days of debate over how severely U.S. strikes had damaged three nuclear facilities in Iran, the fate of the country’s stockpile of enriched uranium remains a bigger mystery.

Over the years, as Iran built up its underground nuclear facilities and centrifuges, it amassed a large, 880-pound stockpile of uranium enriched to 60 percent, near bomb grade.

While U.S. intelligence agencies had assessed that Iran had not decided whether to make a bomb, they noted that Iran was only a few steps away from being able to turn its uranium into a weapon given the size of that stockpile.

There is little doubt that Iran’s entire nuclear program was substantially diminished by U.S. and Israeli strikes, and that it would struggle to quickly produce additional nuclear fuel.

But U.S. intelligence agencies had long assessed that, faced with the possibility of an attack on its nuclear facilities, Iran would try to move its stockpile of enriched uranium, either to keep as leverage in diplomatic negotiations or to use in a race to build a bomb.

In an interview on Sunday, Vice President JD Vance said U.S. officials wanted to talk to Iran about the stockpile. But on Thursday, the Trump administration pushed back on the idea that Iran had been able to move its enriched uranium before the U.S. strike.

President Trump suggested that the stockpile was destroyed or buried by the bombing of the site at Fordo. “Nothing was taken out of facility,” Mr. Trump posted on his social media site. “Would take too long, too dangerous, and very heavy and hard to move!”

And Karoline Leavitt, the White House press secretary, said that American intelligence agencies were watching the Iranian nuclear sites closely, “and there was no indication to the United States that any of that enriched uranium was moved prior to the strike.”

American officials say the intelligence collected so far on the stockpile is contradictory.

U.S. intelligence collected on Iranian officials shows they have different understandings of the stockpile’s fate, American officials said.

And parts of the nuclear facility at Natanz where some of the uranium was believed to be held were damaged, but not destroyed, by either the U.S. or Israeli attacks, officials said.

As a result, the intelligence community has not yet made a firm conclusion on how much the Iranians have retained, according to people briefed on the findings.

After a classified Senate briefing on Thursday, Republican lawmakers emphasized that destroying or seizing the stockpile was not part of the U.S. military mission. Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina, said the sites were severely damaged but that he “didn’t want people to think the problem is over, because it’s not.”

“I don’t know where the 900 pounds of enriched uranium exists, but it wasn't part of the target set for several years,” Mr. Graham told reporters. “They are obliterated today but they can reconstitute.”

There is confusion also about where the stockpile was originally. Mr. Trump has suggested it was at Fordo. Others have said some was at Natanz. The International Atomic Energy Agency has said the majority of the stockpile was at Isfahan, where Iran had reactors and other nuclear facilities that used the uranium. And some experts have suggested Iran has dispersed the stockpile.

The director general of the I.A.E.A said the Iranians told his inspectors that they planned to move the material if they thought it was under threat. It was stored in containers small enough, he said, to fit into “the trunk of an ordinary car.”

And in the days before the U.S. cruise missile attack on Isfahan, there was evidence of vehicles moving something into or out of those labs. I.A.E.A. officials say that since that stockpile of 60 percent enriched uranium was Iran’s most prized national possession, it would have been a breach of common sense to leave it all in one place.

Rafael Mariano Grossi, the I.A.E.A. director general, has held fast to his view that a good deal of that near-bomb-grade fuel remains in Iranian control. “I don’t know if they moved all of it,” he said this week. “But the evidence points to their moving out a lot of it.”

European officials said on Thursday that their preliminary assessments were also that Iran had moved the stockpile, though officials cautioned that those were early conclusions and that the exact location of the uranium was uncertain.

Other Western officials confirmed the assessment of top American intelligence officials on Wednesday that it could be years before those facilities are fully usable again. Crucially, the centrifuges at Fordo are unlikely to be operable, making it more difficult to purify its stockpile further, according to current and former officials.

In addition to damage to the centrifuges, Secretary of State Marco Rubio, speaking at the NATO summit in The Hague on Wednesday, said the destruction of the  “conversion facility” in Isfahan had damaged Iran’s ability to move to a weapon. The facility converts enriched uranium gas into solid materials, and ultimately a metal that can be used to fabricate a nuclear bomb or a warhead.

But while Iran’s overall nuclear program, and ability to produce new fuel, has probably been set back significantly, how quickly the country could produce a bomb is another question.

In nearly two weeks of fighting, Israel killed a number of Iranian nuclear scientists. But if enough have survived, Iran could use a hidden stockpile to race toward a weapon. That would mean Iran’s ability to make a crude bomb was set back only months, even if its larger program suffered graver damage.

Representative Jim Himes of Connecticut, the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee, said the question of the stockpile was critical.

“Obliterating the sites means nothing if the Iranians moved enough 60% uranium, centrifuges and other weaponization tools to build a bomb at some possibly unknown location,” he wrote on social media. “The regime may be vile, but they are not stupid, and this stuff can be relatively easily relocated.

LOL.  Are these the same Trump hating "experts" who told us that COVID originated from a bat, that Hunter's laptop was the product of Russian election inference, that small kids had to stay at home from school for years and then wear masks to attend school, that Trump had colluded with Putin to win the 2016 election.  All baseless hoaxes designed to damage Trump.  Getting hung up on "obliterated" is laughable.  It's clear that Iran sustained a massive attack and set back.  They brought this on themselves and it was long overdue.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Richard Smith on June 27, 2025, 02:02:07 PM »
"The jury is still out" as to whether or not the facility was "completely obliterated" as The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with Xxxx) proclaimed almost immediately, and since twelve trucks were spotted at the facility for two days, there's a lot of concern that the Iranians were able to relocate their supply of enriched uranium before the bombs started falling.

Regardless, why in the world wouldn't all informed and patriotic Americans despise the fascistic and autocrat-loving Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with Xxxx)?

Why quibble over the term "obliterated"?  Even the most deranged Trump hater has to acknowledge that the attack was flawless.  Anything can be rebuilt but this attack clearly has set Iran back both in terms of their ability to make a bomb and perhaps more importantly their desire to do so.  The "Supreme Leader" has been sitting in a cave waiting for the drone strike to take him out.   I doubt he is anxious to do so again.  Iran only respects strength and force.  The appeasement policy of Obama and Biden was a total failure. 
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IMO
The CTer alternative to Oswald taking the shots always seems to involve professional hitman/snipers or even teams of them at various points in and around Dealey Plaza. Apparently the plan being to have people firing from all different angles while trying to make it look like there is only one guy firing three shots from a specific location.
Imagine the planning meeting for that!
Surely someone would've pointed out the impossibility of this plan or the stupidity of it.
These guys are professionals after all, highly trained and organised...

Q: ...and how many people should we expect in Dealey Plaza?

A: I'm not sure, it could be hundreds, it could even be thousands. People could be swarming all over the Grassy Knoll and behind the picket fence. We have no way of knowing but we're going to assume the crowds have disappeared by this point.

Q: What's a grassy Noel?

The target is JFK's head.
A professional hit would involve a single shot to the head.
Of the three clearly audible shots reported by over 160 witnesses, only one hits the target. If there are more shots than three, these also miss the target making the whole escapade even more sloppy.
I've never been, but anyone I've ever heard talk about Dealey Plaza are amazed at how small it is, how small the distances are.
For a professional, a head shot in these circumstances is easy.
For an amateur it involves missing the limo and all it's occupants completely, hitting JFK but not in the right place and, eventually a head shot (but not necessarily in that order).
The speed of the three shots implies panic, not a cool head.
And the most important fact is this - JFK is shot through the throat and there is, at the very least, a 5 second gap between this non-fatal shot happening and the fatal head shot. In this 5 second gap anything could happen: the limo speeds off or starts evasive swerving manoeuvres, one of the Secret Service agents actually does his job and makes it to JFK and covers him or JFK slumps all the way over to his left, puts his head in Jackie's lap and is impossible to hit, or any other number of scenarios where the head shot cannot be made.
The point is this - there is a truly massive slice of luck involved in the assassination of JFK.
Professionals would not find themselves in a situation that involved this amount of luck.
The assassination is perpetrated by a non-professional.
IMO

One interesting thing about the Grassy Knoll is that it is usually depicted from the Elm St. perspective where it appears to offer a secluded shooting location.  In fact, on the backside of the fence/treeline it is wide open to half of Dallas.  It is the very last place that anyone would put themselves with a rifle. 
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The only cover up was the SS and FBI for not doing their job. The mafia had him killed and then silenced Oswald.

Why do you have a psychological need to believe the assassination was a conspiracy?
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Dear Jarett,

How many bad guys and bad gals do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, the getting-away, and the all-important, (and very, very clearly ONGOING!!!) cover up?

Just a few, or oodles and gobs?

-- Tom

The only cover up was the SS and FBI for not doing their job. The mafia had him killed and then silenced Oswald.
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Maybe not professional, but they got the job done with four shots, and yes luck was on their side.

Dear Jarett,

How many bad guys and bad gals do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, the getting-away, and the all-important, (and very, very clearly ONGOING!!!) cover up?

Just a few, or oodles and gobs?

-- Tom
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The head was most likely semi-sutured up when the pics were taken. The hole in the back seen by Sam Kinney is clearly visible on Z-335.

LOL!

Good one!
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Griffith,

Which one of the "20 to 30" bad guys altered the autopsy photos?

The head was most likely semi-sutured up when the pics were taken. The hole in the back seen by Sam Kinney is clearly visible on Z-335.

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IMO
The CTer alternative to Oswald taking the shots always seems to involve professional hitman/snipers or even teams of them at various points in and around Dealey Plaza. Apparently the plan being to have people firing from all different angles while trying to make it look like there is only one guy firing three shots from a specific location.
Imagine the planning meeting for that!
Surely someone would've pointed out the impossibility of this plan or the stupidity of it.
These guys are professionals after all, highly trained and organised...

Q: ...and how many people should we expect in Dealey Plaza?

A: I'm not sure, it could be hundreds, it could even be thousands. People could be swarming all over the Grassy Knoll and behind the picket fence. We have no way of knowing but we're going to assume the crowds have disappeared by this point.

Q: What's a grassy Noel?

The target is JFK's head.
A professional hit would involve a single shot to the head.
Of the three clearly audible shots reported by over 160 witnesses, only one hits the target. If there are more shots than three, these also miss the target making the whole escapade even more sloppy.
I've never been, but anyone I've ever heard talk about Dealey Plaza are amazed at how small it is, how small the distances are.
For a professional, a head shot in these circumstances is easy.
For an amateur it involves missing the limo and all it's occupants completely, hitting JFK but not in the right place and, eventually a head shot (but not necessarily in that order).
The speed of the three shots implies panic, not a cool head.
And the most important fact is this - JFK is shot through the throat and there is, at the very least, a 5 second gap between this non-fatal shot happening and the fatal head shot. In this 5 second gap anything could happen: the limo speeds off or starts evasive swerving manoeuvres, one of the Secret Service agents actually does his job and makes it to JFK and covers him or JFK slumps all the way over to his left, puts his head in Jackie's lap and is impossible to hit, or any other number of scenarios where the head shot cannot be made.
The point is this - there is a truly massive slice of luck involved in the assassination of JFK.
Professionals would not find themselves in a situation that involved this amount of luck.
The assassination is perpetrated by a non-professional.
IMO

Maybe not professional, but they got the job done with four shots, and yes luck was on their side.
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Insult you?

All I did was ask you 1) if the HUGE gates were opened on a daily basis, or only to let evil, evil, evil CIA assassins get into or out of the building, and 2) how you know it wasn't Officer Haygood in the parking lot in Darnell.
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