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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Last post by Royell Storing on February 12, 2026, 08:44:13 PM »
Quote from: Charles Collins on February 12, 2026, 06:54:08 PM


Here’s a photo of the tramps taken from a position near the corner of Houston and Elm:



I have outlined both poles with yellow lines. The car is clearly visible with both poles dissecting the windshield. The steering wheel can be seen between the poles. From this angle the car doesn’t appear to be to the left of either one of the poles. The angle of the line of sight makes this difference. Wiegman had a somewhat similar angle as this photo. That’s why the car appears to dissected by the poles in the Wiegman film.

    Thanks for posting the above photo. What you are referencing is on the OTHER SIDE of the Elm St Extension. The whitish car that we can easily see is THE CAR we are discussing. We can see almost the entire front passenger side window of this car. This leaves the hood and front bumper of this car out of the pic. Attaching the hood and front bumper to what we do see, would place this entire car just to the (L) of the (Yellow) pole closest to the car. That (Yellow) Pole is the Street Light Pole with the "NO PARKING........" sign attached to it. The whitish car is parked exactly where I have been saying it was parked. To the (L) of both: (1) the Street Light Pole with the "NO PARKING....." sign attached to it, and (2) the Traffic Signal Pole with the pointed sign attached to it. Again, that whitish car on the pic you posted is to the (L) of both poles.
 
                            I have come across a very good elevated view of the Island showing the location of both poles.

             Go to YOU TUBE and search -  "Four Days in November" (1964) - David L. Wolper JFK Assassination Documentary.   by - LionHeart Filmworks
 
                          39:58 - 40:05  Gives an extremely good elevated view of the Island and the position of the 2 poles.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?
« Last post by Tom Graves on February 12, 2026, 08:25:03 PM »
Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on September 07, 2025, 12:50:58 PM
[...]

What does "NLT" stand for?

North Loading Transitional Zone, and you just forgot to put the Z in?

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Last post by Tom Graves on February 12, 2026, 06:59:35 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on February 12, 2026, 04:44:08 PM
Sawyer's car is not directly across from the car we are discussing, but somewhat close to that.

Awkward sentence.

Why not just write, "Sawyer's car was almost directly across Elm Street Extension from the car we're discussing"?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Last post by Charles Collins on February 12, 2026, 06:54:08 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on February 12, 2026, 03:50:00 PM
   There's a good picture of the car at the end of the Hughes Film. This Hughes film snippet showing the car is included in, "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" presentation. That presentation is on YOU TUBE. At the 5:52 mark, you can see the car is parked to the (L) of the pole. The rectangular signage attached to this same pole is the, "NO PARKING At Any Time" sign. You can clearly read this Sign on the actual DVD. In conjunction with our seeing the car and the signal light pole on the (L) of Officer Baker as he runs across the Island on the Couch and Darnell films, the position of this car is not in question. It is clearly on the (L) of both the Traffic Signal Pole and the Street Light Pole. The Street Light Pole has the, "NO PARKING...." sign on it. The Traffic Signal Pole has a home plate shaped sign attached to it. The bottom of this sign comes to a point. The car is on the (L) of both of these poles.



Here’s a photo of the tramps taken from a position near the corner of Houston and Elm:



I have outlined both poles with yellow lines. The car is clearly visible with both poles dissecting the windshield. The steering wheel can be seen between the poles. From this angle the car doesn’t appear to be to the left of either one of the poles. The angle of the line of sight makes this difference. Wiegman had a somewhat similar angle as this photo. That’s why the car appears to dissected by the poles in the Wiegman film.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Last post by Royell Storing on February 12, 2026, 04:44:08 PM »
Quote from: Gerry Down on February 12, 2026, 12:27:54 AM
The car appears to be still parked there when the 3 tramp photos were taken. Odd behaviour if indeed someone was driving through the car park at the time of the assassination and then parked the car in front of the tsbd and just left it there.

I don't think a driver is visible in the car when Baker is seen running. I'm not saying a driver is not there, just that a driver is not visible.

    The car is still there when the 3 Tramps were marched through Dealey Plaza. The timestamp for those 3 Tramp images is roughly 2+ hrs after the kill shot. The car is also still there when Dealey Plaza was shut down for CSI purposes. That car sat there for 3+ Hrs. To help with the time stamping of this car, Inspector Sawyer's car was parked on the other side of the Elm St Ext. His parked car stretched across a portion of the steps leading up to the TSBD front door. Sawyer's car is Not directly across from the car we are discussing, but somewhat close to that. Sawyer gave WC Testimony that he was there at the TSBD until 4 PM that day. 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Last post by Royell Storing on February 12, 2026, 04:30:25 PM »
Quote from: Gerry Down on February 12, 2026, 12:27:54 AM
The car appears to be still parked there when the 3 tramp photos were taken. Odd behaviour if indeed someone was driving through the car park at the time of the assassination and then parked the car in front of the tsbd and just left it there.

I don't think a driver is visible in the car when Baker is seen running. I'm not saying a driver is not there, just that a driver is not visible.

    I want to nail down that this car is parked behind, (to the (L)), of both of those poles. The parked position of that car is critical. When Wiegman filmed that portion of the Island, if the car was already parked alongside the Island, Wiegman would have filmed/captured that 17+ Feet Long car. That is a very long car.
   With respect to the driver possibly being "in the car" when Officer Baker ran past the car, remember what the Couch Film shows us. The Couch Film shows 2 figures standing directly alongside this car BEFORE Officer Baker runs past the car. When focusing on these 2 figures, the Couch Film is the best film to use.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Last post by Royell Storing on February 12, 2026, 04:07:24 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on February 12, 2026, 03:40:24 AM
If one were standing on the side of the car and near the front, how much of it would be in front of the pole?

    In reality, there is NO portion of this car to the (R), "in front of the pole".
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Last post by Royell Storing on February 12, 2026, 03:50:00 PM »
Quote from: Charles Collins on February 12, 2026, 12:38:56 AM

The car was parked on the (L) side of the traffic signal.

What gives you that impression?

   There's a good picture of the car at the end of the Hughes Film. This Hughes film snippet showing the car is included in, "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" presentation. That presentation is on YOU TUBE. At the 5:52 mark, you can see the car is parked to the (L) of the pole. The rectangular signage attached to this same pole is the, "NO PARKING At Any Time" sign. You can clearly read this Sign on the actual DVD. In conjunction with our seeing the car and the signal light pole on the (L) of Officer Baker as he runs across the Island on the Couch and Darnell films, the position of this car is not in question. It is clearly on the (L) of both the Traffic Signal Pole and the Street Light Pole. The Street Light Pole has the, "NO PARKING...." sign on it. The Traffic Signal Pole has a home plate shaped sign attached to it. The bottom of this sign comes to a point. The car is on the (L) of both of these poles. 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Nothing seems to have changed
« Last post by Tommy Shanks on February 12, 2026, 03:42:54 PM »
Quote from: Charles Collins on February 12, 2026, 01:17:10 AM


I agree with you. Here’s an overhead view showing (roughly) Weigman’s line of sight (blue line) going through the traffic light pole with the outline of the parked car shown on Elm Street Extension. The blue line dissects the parked car as is also shown in the Weigman film images. The red line roughly represents the line of sight in the tramps photo which was taken much later. It appears to me that the car in question is still parked in the same spot.



Uh-oh! Royell Storing got it wrong!
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?
« Last post by Tommy Shanks on February 12, 2026, 03:41:05 PM »
Quote from: Mitch Todd on February 11, 2026, 11:40:12 PM
Mooney never claimed that the power to the building was cut off. Only to the elevator.`This is from his report to Decker:

"Officers Webster and Victory took the stairs and I told them I would take the freight elevator. At the time I got on the elevator two women who work in the building got on the elevator, saying they wanted to go to their office. As the elevator started up, we went up one floor and the power to the elevator was cut off. I got out on the floor with these women and looked around in their office and I then took to the stairs and went to the 6th floor"

No one else reported the power to the entire building being cut off or the lights going out etc, and there were any number of people in the building at the time.

Careful, Mitch! You're employing too much logic for Royell Storing!
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