JFK Assassination Forum

I am sure they would have heard one. Not one person, crowd or cars, reacted to anything at Z150 or whatever it is this week. Maybe it is time to update from this failed theory.

JBC reacted. Glen Bennett reacted. Most people reported hearing 3 shots. Because that shot didn't hit anybody (except maybe Tague), many people did not realize it was a gunshot. At first some said they thought it was a firecracker or a motorcycle backfire. Charles Brehm can be seen in the Z-film clapping his hands even after JFK had been hit by the second shot, apparently oblivious to the fact JFK had just been shot. There is a wide disparity how people perceived that first shot. Some didn't even remember hearing the first shot and only remember hearing two, but the consensus of witnesses is that there were three which matches the number of spent shells found in the sniper's nest. Jarman, Norman, and Williams who were directly below Oswald when the shots were fired all testified to hearing three shots. Jarman and Williams both said they thought the first shot was a motorcycle backfire or a cop saluting the President.

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I largely concur with your observations.

In fact, LBJ's directive to the WC, to pursue the LN narrative, is often thought to have suffocated leads into the usual villains---the CIA, or others---but the instruction also snuffed out pursuit of leads into G2 or the KGB.

Moreover, we have had decades of people combing through available US documents and files, without conclusion...but who truly knows what is in Cuban or Russian files?

Or if any paper documents were kept regarding such an assassination?

My best guess is the JFKAC was a very small, two guys in G2 or Alpha 66, and the Alpha 66'ers could have been G2'ers or double agents. The pair worked with, or manipulated LHO.

Just IMHO.

Caveat emptor and draw your own conclusions.

So this a curious dilemma if the SBT Z224 shot lines up with the right wrist and left thigh. How was JBC sitting on the jump seat such that the Z224 SBT shot goes thru his right wrist and then into his left thigh without going thru the hat. There’s only one position and it’s an odd one in which JBC is sitting half off the left side of the jump seat with both his legs rotated right about 45 degree just as his upper torso/ shoulder line appears to be. His right hand would have to be holding his hat upside down  with the well of the hat over the left side of his left leg.

Several problems:

1. His right arm would have to be diagonally across his chest to hold the hat over the left side of his left leg. That would be rather an uncomfortable position to maintain.

2. There does not appear to be any indication of JBC right arm upper arm being diagonally across his chest in the Z film at Z222-z225

3. Turning both his legs 45 degrees right makes sense enough but why would JBC shift his buttocks half way off the left side of the jump seat?

4. Holding  the expensive Stetson  hat upside down off the left side of the left leg would be smushing the hat between the leg and the back side of the front seat. This seems a disrespectful way to hold a prized iconic hat that JBC often wore in public.

There is also the problem of explaining how the bullet goes from the left side of JFK’s tie knot on a right to left path and strikes JBC in the right armpit but misses JFK’s hands:

A more comfortable position that has both legs together turned rightward and the buttocks remaining fully on the seat, would have JBC holding the hat right side up resting atop both his legs.

Have you actually tried putting a cushion and sitting on it with your feet on the floor and keeping your legs together?  Try it.  You will see why it is highly unlikely for JBC to have assumed such a position.

The only other position that has  been proposed for JBC is by Andrew Mason. At Z190 JBC has both his legs spread wide apart with his left leg hanging out leftwards while JC attempts to twist himself rightward even MORE than 45 degrees rightward. At Z190 he is only hit in the thigh. The bullet disappears. The wrist wound is caused by some fragment.

I have never suggested that the wrist wound is caused by a fragment.  It was caused by the bullet that exited from the chest.  The bullet fragmented on striking the wrist and fragments deflected away from the point of contact with the radius bone.

All the evidence indicates that the second shot occurred much closer to the third shot, which puts it while JBC is turned around to the right. This gives the general idea of the trajectory:

I like the idea of the shooter using  an MC rifle with the scope mounted left side of the stock might cause a near miss to the right side of the limo if the 1st shot was somewhere between Z140-Z170. If he is using the scope that is.

If he’s using the iron sights for the 1st shot I’m not so sure he would have missed JFK that far off to the right even if the sights were fixed zero for 200 yds.

The compromise would be the shooter used the scope for the first shot then when he saw he missed to the right, he switched to using the iron sights.

I’m not really convinced of any shot fired prior to Z224 because of lack of reaction by Willis or Betzner or SS agents other than Hickey at Z140ish. The missed shot would have be 2 secs after Z313 if it’s the bolt action rifle. I’m
Sure Dan would agree but I’m not sure if anyone else does 😳

The only other option besides another gunman, is the TSBD shooter using a semi auto rifle or a rifle like Chuck Connor’s The Rifleman. ( he fires 12 shots in about 6 seconds).

What was the angular velocity of JFK's head at "Z-124" (i.e., half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133) from Oswald's point of view in the 6th floor window?