JFK Assassination Forum

TG-

We have different takes on the timing of shots during the JFKA.

I have reasonable doubts about the WC narrative, and your narrative.

My narrative is what it is, and I concede I am a layman and amateur. Just IMHO.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.

Niedernut was the death knell for the Education Forum?

Gordon said he was weary of endless EF antics a couple of years back. I can see why, when Niedernut assumed the helm, Gordon simply walked off. Enough is enough. The EF-JFKA was no longer a forum.

Maybe Gordon began to worry about liabilities associated with owning a forum dominated by anti-Semitic crackpots, especially given his residence in Great Britain. What if an EF reader was inspired or prompted to perp a violent act? People in Great Britain are sometimes put in jail for expressing views online.

Niederhut all but justified the assassination of Charlie Kirk, stating that Kirk has engaged in "stochastic terrorism."

Egads. Perhaps Gordon has just washed his hands of the mess.

LP-

Sure, official KGB and Khruschev may not have been involved in the JFKA (although James Woolsey, a former CIA director, thinks they were. You do not. Woolsey has street cred up the wazoo.)

Setting aside Woolsey...there are always lower-level factions at work in any large organization.

I lean more to G2 involvement.

Obviously, LHO was capable of the JFKA---see LNT theorizing, much of which holds water.

So why wouldn't G2'ers graft LHO into an ad hoc, informal JFKA plan?

They got lucky. JFK was coming to Dallas, to ride in a motorcade in front of LHO's perch.

At bottom, there is no way a lone gunsel armed with a single-shot-per-bolt-action rifle got a shot off at Z-295, and then one at Z-313. Let alone the GK smoke-and-bang show.

Who were LHO's most likely confederates?

I will admit that these sorts of discussions make my eyes glaze over. FWIW, Orr was not satisfied with the Knott Lab effort. Larry Schnapf said at the Ed Forum in January that an improved analysis by "Orr's team" would be ready in a month and provided to the Luna Committee. I've seen nothing further on that. Here is what Larry said in January:

John Orr's team is finalizing an improved 3D animation which is superior to the version that Knott Labs used. It will be ready by the end of the month and will be shown to representative Luna.

The criticisms of the knott Lab work product are not meritorious. The trajectory analysis was based on the positions of JBC and JFK at two precise moments in time. It is far more accurate than Myers' cartoon which misrpresented the spatial positioning of the bodies,  the relative sizes of the two men as well as the limo configuraiton. Myers' cartoon was designed to support the SBT. It is not an objective analysis. Orr's 3D model is the most accurate recreation to date.

Orr's model uses modern photogrammtery to incorporate all extent photos, precise measurements of the limo and used drone technology to scan DP even taking into account the roadway was paved several times since the assassination. John Orr has used his model test the SBT but the model can be used to test ANY trajectory. Someone just has to be willing to pay for the work to develop the trajectory. the model has all the necessary data.

Also FWIW, some of the photos on this thread are from this Texas Investigates site, which has superb photos of JBC's clothing: https://www.tsl.texas.gov/sites/default/files/public/tslac/landing/documents/jfk-damaged-clothing18.pdf

EDIT: Larry discusses the status of Orr's work on this active thread at the Ed Forum: https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/32088-lone-nut-proponents-failure-to-reckon-with-alvarez-fraud/page/25/#comment-595616

Larry says he is frustrated that the work is taking so long and that they missed the Luna deadline.

   Knott Lab put the SBT to bed with FORENSIC SCIENCE that is routinely admitted in courts across this country. "Hagg team" and "experiments"? 

Whether it comes from Knott Laboratory or you average CT, every time I see somebody saying the SBT is an impossibility, I almost never see an explanation of why it is impossible. It's as if the CTs think it suffices to say it's impossible. I tried to google Knott Laboratory's explanation and this is all I could find:

“The shooting position, bullet exit point on President Kennedy, and entry point on Governor Connally should all be reasonably in line. When drawing this line from the sixth floor perch of the Texas Book Depository to the positions of the two men and their entry/exit points, we found a significant angle difference. This case is ongoing, but evidence strongly suggests there is more to the story in this historic event. Modern science refutes the Warren Commission’s findings on the assassination of President John F. Kennedy.”

It seems to me if they really did a detailed analysis on par with what Dale Myers has done, they should have been able to come up with something a little better than the wounds didn't line up. Myers computer animation showed the wounds lining up perfectly. In the later 1980s another company, Failure Analysis using less sophisticated technology than what would become available in the coming decades. also showed the wounds line up.

Knott Laboratory's work was paid for by dedicated CT John Orr. Could it be they had a vested interrest in coming up with the conclusion they did? Just asking.