JFK Assassination Forum

For the record, I have never sat through the entire JFK film - seen snippets while channel surfing.
I recall Kevin Bacon as a gay guy ? and Kevin Costner's usual mediocre acting. I don't,  as  a general golden rule, learn my history from Hollywood films.

Now that movie came out in 91? 92?

I would think the release of the Zapruder film in the early 70s, the Pentagon Papers also around that time , and the Church Committee hearings in 75?  just to name a few things, certainly contributed - rightly so - to a general feeling of distrust of government in the "national psyche " long before Oliver Stone.

MTG--

You make an excellent post, and yet by your own narrative Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney was ascending the stairs in the TSBD ~12:50 pm, about 20 minutes after the JFKA.

Mooney says he passed by "two men in plain clothes," somewhere between the 2nd and 6th floor.

There were publisher's offices on TSBD floors 2 through 4 with execs and sales-men. They would typically wear office business attire of the day, which was suit and tie.

I find it hard to fathom that JFKA perps would hang around the TSBD 20 minutes after the JFKA.

Also, are we 100% sure that no Sheriffs or DPD'ers, unrecorded, went to the upper floor of the TSBD about 12:50pm?

While Mooney would have possibly recognized fellow sheriffs, what about a non-fellow DPD'er?

I dunno about this one. In the hub-bub after the JFKA, outright pandemonium, a couple of guys in suits on the TSBD stairs 20 minutes after the JFKA...means there was a conspiracy?

Could have been anybody.

This does not excuse the WC, which essentially conducted a posthumous LN prosecution of LHO...and also suffocated leads to G2 in the process.

I think the fact that he assumed they were plain clothes deputy sheriffs implies they were dressed in accordance with the sheriff department's dress code. He never got a chance to give any description of their clothing or to explain why he assumed they were plain clothes deputy sheriffs because Ball, incredibly enough, ignored his startling statement and did not ask any questions about the two men.

   "Plain clothes" can mean a lot of different things. Anybody not wearing a cop uniform might be considered to be wearing "plain clothes". "Plain clothes" could be a suit, or a sports shirt, etc. Officer Mooney was Not wearing a uniform that day. This is probably why Mooney thought these guys were "deputy sheriffs". Their attire was similar to what he was wearing.

Is this the white car, behind the tree, you're talking about?

Had that car not been parked there during the shooting itself? It looks like its parked up for a while there.

   That is the car. That car is not there on the Wiegman Film. It is on the Couch and Darnell films about 20 seconds later.

JC:

I agree about the JFKA receding into the past, and surely the age of various JFKA researchers is...well, grey hair or bald heads and more than a few passings of late. Some senility seeping into conversations at Ed Forum.

No one has ever even come close to establishing real boots on the ground in Dallas, real identities, if LHO had any co-conspirators, or manipulators in Dallas on 11/22. There is some plausible speculation and much implausible speculation.

Even worse, in desperation to stay relevant, some JFKA researchers are hopping onto current bandwagons, such as Jeff Morley defecating on himself and dog-whistling to Tucker Carlson that "Mossad" played a role in the JFKA.

All that said, my layman's analysis of the Z-film is Gov. JBC is shot at ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313. JBC testified he was "knocked forward" by the blow to his back, that happens is about one second apart, or in too-rapid succession to have been accomplished by a lone gunsel armed with a M-C carbine.

Connally: I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about two inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)

Clear as day, that happens ~Z-295.

I am open to participation in the JFKA by elements of Alpha-66, G2, or JMWAVE.

I place very low probability on much higher levels of participation in the JFKA.