JFK Assassination Forum

Comrade Storing,

Not at all.

Dan Rather did a commendable job under the circumstances, i.e., not being allowed to see the clip more than once, having to run several blocks to the studio immediately afterwards, and telling the nation, without notes, what he thought he remembered seeing in it.

Give him a break.

He was spot-on on the most important thing -- JFK was shot.

-- Tom

   Per you, Rather did a "commendable job" because he got it right that, "JFK was shot"? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. This explains why you only repeat "talking points". It's the best that you can do. You definitely could have been Buell Frazier's best bud.

The JFKA is the greatest detective story ever written, even as its repugnant horror seems to never fade away.

And even yet, new clues can emerge out of old cloth. Literally.

So recently, I was puzzling over Gov. JBC's already mysterious wrist-wound.

JBC's surgeon, Dr. Robert Shaw, thought the wrist wound, which resulted from a slug entering the dorsal side---the wristwatch side---and which left the ventral side of the wrist, may have resulted from a separate projectile.

Recently I reviewed a photo of the hole in JBC's left pant leg, into which CE-399 is said to have temporarily buried itself, before popping out (after passing through JFK's neck, JBC's torso, and JBC's right wrist, and yes, both the WC and the more-skeptical HSCA accepted this explanation).

See the photo:



The Western Cartridge 6.50 slug has a diameter of a little more than 1/4". It is large slug, at about 1 and 1/4" inches long.

This is a neat, perfect hole CE-399 purportedly made in JBC's pant leg on 11/22, indicative of spiraling slug.

Gun enthusiasts know that a modern-era bullet is spiraling (a bit like a well-thrown football) as it leaves a rifle barrel, and one can see spirals on the inside of a gun barrel that impart the spin.

OK. So, it appears whatever bullet struck JBC in the leg had maintained its spiral, and was not tumbling.

OK, if the SBT is true, then a bullet passed through JFK's neck, then passed through JBC's torso (taking out four inches of rib), then fractured his wrist, and then still spiraling, made a perfect hole in JBC's pant leg to burrow into the leg itself.

Add on: A strange quote from JBC's wrist surgeon:

Dr. GREGORY. Yes; debridement is a surgical term used to designate that
procedure in attending a wound which removes by sharp excision all nonvital
tissue in the area together with any identifiable foreign objects.
In attending this wound, it was evident early that clot had been carried into
the wound from the dorsal surface to the bone and into the fracture. This
would imply that an irregular missile had passed through the wrist from the
dorsal to the volar aspect.

https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/pdf/WH6_Gregory.pdf

An irregular missile? Does that describe a slug that must have been spiraling when it struck JBC's leg? Does that describe CE-399?

I wish I had a sensible answer to the wound pattern on JBC. For me, the SBT does not hold water---indeed, even if JBC was struck by a separate shot, his wound pattern is mysterious.

I have long pondered if JBC's wrist was struck by a shot from the GK smoke-and-bang show.

The wound to JBC's leg, however, poses yet new curiosities.

Dr. Gregory's long-forgotten quote that an "irregular" missile had passed through JBC's wrist is another oddity.

Last thought: Gov. JBC's twice said (WC and HSCA) slugs were entering the JFK cab limo as is from "automatic weapons" fire.

More later.

        This is why Specter handled the questioning of Tomlinson. Specter was required in order to muddle the issue of the pristine bullet having fallen from the JFK stretcher. Same goes for Specter being called in to question ASAIC Kellerman and his description of a "flurry" of shells coming into the JFK Limo. Specter being called in to question a witness was a "break glass in case of fire" necessity. 

DPD motorcycle cop Jim Chaney was riding escort to the right side of the limo. He was the closest cop to JFK. Jim said that he thought the first shot was a motorcycle backfire. Jim Chaney said in a TV interview on 11/22/63 that he looked over at JFK right after he heard the shot and that JFK was looking towards his left shoulder. Here is a clip showing Chaney starting at Z136 through Z153. It appears to me that Chaney is turning his head to his left to look at JFK:





Meanwhile, JFK is shown in this clip during frames Z133 through Z154. JFK finishes fixing his hair and turns his head quickly towards his left shoulder. I would guess that he is checking on Jackie after hearing the first shot (which many folks thought to be a motorcycle backfire).

What’s interesting in this range of Z140-Z150, is how SS agent Hickey  leaned to his left ( and was looking down at the road and or left side of the JFK limo?). It seems to be in sync with JFKs head turn to left.

But if it’s a loud shot from TSBD from Z140-Z150, why are none of the other SS agents reacting similarly?

Is there some particular aspect of human reactions to loud noises  that explains this inconsistency?

Like maybe there were already some motorcycle backfires that had occurred during the limo trek  up Houston st, and during the turn on Elm st.that desensitized the SS agents such that they did not recognize the 1st loud Z140 rifle shot from TSBD.

A gouge was found on the manhole cover on the east side of Elm street and some uprooted grass beside it. And there is a photo of a guy sticking his hand down to check that piece of grass. ( Not sure if he found anything or not).

Where the JFK  limo is at At Z140, the manhole cover is farther down elm st some distance ahead of the JFK limo.

So coincidentally, Virgie Rachley is a witness who described seeming a ricochet ahead of the JFK limo which she thought was possibly the 1st shot.

Combine this with the  idea that the 1st shot from TSBD  was an accidental firing of the rifle by the shooter AS he leaned over from his seated position and had just rested  his rifle on the stacked boxes. This would  explain missing the limo.

So this possible scenario would make sense as a 1st shot  accidental discharge occurring at Z140 because it’s plausible that the shooter would have tried  to make a closer shot before the tree foliage became  a temporary LOS obstacle.

It’s more plausible an explanation for the shooter missing the entire limo than that his scope was badly misaligned. In fact, since the scope on this MC rifle was mounted to the left side of the barrel, then even if the scope reticle had lost its zero or was drifting, its unlikely that the barrel would have been pointed so far left that the bullet would have missed the entire limo. Especially since JFK was seated on the right side of the limo.

So the next question is,why  if Rosemary Willis heard a Z140 did it take her until Z190 to start reacting by slowing her running and finally stopping about Z200? That would be approx 60 frames/18.5 frames/sec) = approx 3 secs after hearing a loud shot at Z 140.

This again returns to the ? Of how  people  react to loud noises and if some had  become desensitized to the motorcycle backfires while others had not. I’m sure there are research papers on the subject.

The other problem of Betzner not hearing a shot until after he took his camera shot at Z186? Possibly there is another human brain thing about some people so fixated on a particular task as to exclude or minimize their hearing/ seeing while they are engaged in accomplishing their task.

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I found the illuminating Dale K. Myers diagram at the "JFK Truth Be Told" Facebook page.

There are a lot of conspiracy-minded folks there, too.

You'd fit right in.

Who said it was a fishing boat, and regardless, what does it matter?

Murder is murder.