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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Mary Woodward said there were 3 shots and the 1st shot missed everything
« Last post by James Slater on Today at 12:10:05 PM »
The basis of this whole argument is the Zapruder film. The chain of custody of the Zapruder film is questionable and we can talk more on that later.
Go through the testimony of everyone who was sat in the limo and cross examine it with the film.
Jackie Kennedy stated that she was looking at the crowd to her left right until the point where Kennedy was struck in the throat. Look at the frames prior to that and she is looking to her right the whole time. Why would she lie? Did she lie or was she confused?
JBC is the biggest mystery on the film that no one can quite understand in assassination research. In testimony JBC stated that at no time did he look back towards Jack Kennedy after the first shot which struck Kennedy yet on Z272 to Z288 both Nellie and John are looking at Kennedy before JBC is shot on frame Z289 and reacts to his wounds. JBC stated that while he was twisting around to see Kennedy he was then shot. The Zapruder film between Z272 and Z288 is in direct conflict with JBC.
Are John and Nellie both lying? Were they confused?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Why doesn't Admiral Burkley receive more attention?
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 12:06:34 PM »
No one should be taken seriously that believes Doug Horne should be taken seriously.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Dr. Gary Aguilar's Two-Shot Analysis
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 12:04:51 PM »
Quote from: James Slater on Today at 10:43:38 AM
You've seen the reaction already in Kennedy, his arms are up. According to Specter's single bullet theory Connally by this frame has already been shot to pieces yet there is no reaction.

Why do you continue to ignore JBC's right arm flip which began at the precise moment JFK's arms went upward. I think that's called willful ignorance.
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He is still holding his hat in the shattered right radius of his arm.

The only reason you can see him holding his hat in his hand is because his arm has flipped upward.
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Kennedy reacts but Connally is superman?

Both of them reacted in much the same way, by flipping their arms upward. Immediately after the arm flip which lasted about a half second, JBC turned and dipped dramatically to his right. Once one recognizes JBC's obvious arm flip, one realizes there was no time lag between when they both reacted to being shot.
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John and Nell Connally both testified that the shot which hit Kennedy came before the one which struck JBC and this frame proves they were telling the truth.
If you took this frame/photograph to a modern forensic pathologist and told him/her that Kennedy was shot sustaining one injury and JBC at this point had sustained multiple life threatening injures - you'd be laughed out of the building and I've met plenty of pathologists.
Give it up, the joke is over.

John Connally had no way of knowing whether JFK had been hit by the first or second shot. Nellie could not have observed both her husband and JFK at the same time. She first turned and saw JFK had been shot, then turned back to see JBC had been shot. This gave her the false impression that they had been hit by separate shots.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Why do JFK assassination forums draw so many nut cases?
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 11:54:19 AM »
The JFKA hobby/industry is fueled by a desire people have to want a more interesting answer than that some little nobody named Lee Harvey Oswald learned the POTUS was going to be riding past his workplace in a slow moving open top car and decided to take advantage of a once in a lifetime opportunity to become somebody famous. For maybe the first time in his life he succeeded.

The fact is that JFK's fondness for appearing in public before adoring crowds riding in a slow moving open top limo made him an inviting target for a malcontent like Oswald. It was JFK's bad luck that his motorcade by random chance got routed right past that malcontent's workplace making it very easy for him. If it hadn't happened in Dallas, it might have been some other little loser in some other city who took advantage of JFK's willingness to expose himself to danger.

For some reason, people don't want to accept the obvious answer, the answer the DPD had come to on day one. I was in 7th grade in Omaha on that day was in math class, our first period after lunch when our principal made the announcement over the loudspeaker that the President and the Governor had been shot in Texas. Our teacher, Sister Gerald, immediately turned on her radio. It seem like just a short time later the announcement was made that JFK had died. Classes were called off for the day and we all went across the street to the church where Father Evans led us all in praying a rosary. We were then dismissed and I went home. I was surprised when a short time after that, I learned the suspect was already in custody. That's when I learned he had also killed a cop. I knew nothing about the details of the assassination but from the moment I saw Oswald on TV, I never had any doubt he was the assassin. Even when I was briefly brought over to the CT side, I never doubted Oswald was the gunman, even when I believed there was a second gunman.

A CBS documentary in 1988 was the first time I learned some of the basic details of the assassination. The layout of Dealey Plaza, the motorcade route through it, and the position of the TSBD. It was the first time I saw the Z-film. That's when I really started to study the JFKA and learned more than just the basics of it. The more I learned, the more I became convinced Oswald was the one and only gunman and that there was no credible evidence he had even a single accomplice. I continue to hold that belief almost 40 years later.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Dr. Gary Aguilar's Two-Shot Analysis
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 11:53:42 AM »
Quote from: James Slater on Today at 11:37:39 AM
Tom, are you here to genuinely research what happened to the 35th president of the United states or are you here to be disruptive, rude and argumentative just for the sake of it?
"Yadda Yadda Yadda Yadda Yadda"? That ain't gonna help ya son in an intelligent debate, in fact its an admission that you have lost the argument and have nothing more to add.
C'mon, you can do better than that I'm sure.

Dude, judging your age from your profile photo, I've been researching the JFK assassination since before you were born.

(I, too, used to be a tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorist.)
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Dr. Gary Aguilar's Two-Shot Analysis
« Last post by James Slater on Today at 11:37:39 AM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Today at 11:14:37 AM
Yadda Yadda Yadda Yadda Yadda
Tom, are you here to genuinely research what happened to the 35th president of the United states or are you here to be disruptive, rude and argumentative just for the sake of it?
"Yadda Yadda Yadda Yadda Yadda"? That ain't gonna help ya son in an intelligent debate, in fact its an admission that you have lost the argument and have nothing more to add.
C'mon, you can do better than that I'm sure.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Mary Woodward said there were 3 shots and the 1st shot missed everything
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 11:29:01 AM »
Quote from: Andrew Mason on Today at 03:59:31 AM
Yes. Her account provides very strong evidence that JFK was hit by the first shot.

Her belief is not evidence. Her observations are the evidence.

Your spin on her observations are not evidence. You're entitled to believe she got it wrong, but then you can't turn around and tell us what she said she saw is evidence. That's called impeaching your own witness.
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Her belief that no one was hit was not something she observed. She simply did not attribute what she saw-some movements of JFK and Jackie - to JFK being wounded.

This is so laughable. You are telling us her observation that the first shot didn't hit anybody is evidence JFK was hit by the first shot. That's comical.
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You, on the other hand, insist on attributing more weight to beliefs that are hazy which are contradicted by the clear observations she made: 1. where JFK was when the first shot sounded and 2. her clear statement that the last two shots were more rapid.

Her evidence was that the first shot was after the President passed by her at z190 and the second shot was closer to the last shot at z313. That puts the second shot after the midpoint, which is after z257.  Since JFK is obviously hit well before z257, her observations are evidence that JFK was hit on the first shot.

Your take on her observations are evidence you are really, really bad at analyzing evidence.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Why do JFK assassination forums draw so many nut cases?
« Last post by James Slater on Today at 11:24:19 AM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Today at 07:31:27 AM
Question: Why do JFK assassination forums draw so many nut cases?

Answer: Because the anomaly-replete assassination is fertile grounds for KGB-encouraged anti-"Deep State" / anti-"National Security State" / anti-"Administrative State" tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories.
I've researched the assassination for almost 40 years. I've seen some pretty good evidence pointing towards the official narrative and some good evidence pointing away from it especially on JFK Lancer before it was hacked. JFK Lancer was the biggest website in the world for those interested in assassination research for either the official narrative or otherwise. Over 60% of Americans believe that the murder of their president was an orchestrated plot carried out by more than one person. The HSCA (house select committee on assassinations) in 1977 concluded that the assassination was more than likely a conspiracy involving more than one person.
I've seen many theories online, the driver did it, the SS agent in the follow up car did it, Jackie Kennedy did it and one person suggested LBJ did it from one of the follow up cars. All I've been interested in are the facts of what happened in Dealey Plaza on that fateful day. The testimony of those who watched it, those that sat in the limo and those that were involved in the investigation. From that we can only try and piece together what actually happened.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Dr. Gary Aguilar's Two-Shot Analysis
« Last post by Tom Graves on Today at 11:14:37 AM »
Quote from: James Slater on Today at 10:43:38 AM
You've seen the reaction already in Kennedy, his arms are up. According to Specter's single bullet theory Connally by this frame has already been shot to pieces yet there is no reaction. He is still holding his hat in the shattered right radius of his arm. Kennedy reacts but Connally is superman?

John and Nell Connally both testified that the shot which hit Kennedy came before the one which struck JBC and this frame proves they were telling the truth.

If you took this frame/photograph to a modern forensic pathologist and told him/her that Kennedy was shot sustaining one injury and JBC at this point had sustained multiple life threatening injures - you'd be laughed out of the building and I've met plenty of pathologists.

Give it up, the joke is over.

Yadda Yadda Yadda Yadda Yadda
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Dr. Gary Aguilar's Two-Shot Analysis
« Last post by James Slater on Today at 10:43:38 AM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Today at 08:52:50 AM
If JBC had been standing, he probably would have already fallen by this frame.

But he wasn't standing.

He was sitting.
You've seen the reaction already in Kennedy, his arms are up. According to Specter's single bullet theory Connally by this frame has already been shot to pieces yet there is no reaction. He is still holding his hat in the shattered right radius of his arm. Kennedy reacts but Connally is superman?
John and Nell Connally both testified that the shot which hit Kennedy came before the one which struck JBC and this frame proves they were telling the truth.
If you took this frame/photograph to a modern forensic pathologist and told him/her that Kennedy was shot sustaining one injury and JBC at this point had sustained multiple life threatening injures - you'd be laughed out of the building and I've met plenty of pathologists.
Give it up, the joke is over.
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