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Who's the tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorist who added the shots "audio"?
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   Dan Rather verified on multiple world wide broadcasts that the JFK Limo turning onto Elm St was on the Original Zapruder Film. The Current Zapruder Film does not include this. And there are other discrepancies between the Original Zapruder Film and the Current Zapruder Film.

Uninformed CT's seem to think that Zapruder's camera was the only camera in Dealey Plaza but JFK's Limo was continuously captured on many cameras from Main street to Houston then through to Elm Street and there is nothing of any significance seen in any film during JFK's Limo turn into Elm street.


As for Zapruder alteration, a deluded CT needs to explain how were all the films seen above and the plethora of photos were ALL altered to produce a 100% mathematically cohesive whole, while not forgetting that at the time cutting and pasting individual elements in celluloid film/photos was done very primitively with a sharp knife.

Executive Action 1973


The next week in Life Magazine, Life printed(besides the graphic headshot) all the important key frames, meaning that including the laying out, printing and distribution, altering the Zapruder film was done to a photoreal standard in a few days, a standard of alteration which was unseen in any film at the time and it can be argued, still isn't seen today(in film shot on celluloid) at the microscopic granular level as seen in the original Zapruder Film.



JohnM
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Have you seen the National Archives copy of the Zapruder film Steve? It is my understanding that that is a privilege that not many people get to have.

I won’t argue about the direction that his head faces. My impression that he turned his head to his left could definitely be wrong. However, I think that he could have glanced to his left using just the movement of his eyes. My opinion still is that Chaney’s description of JFK looking over his left shoulder just after the first loud bang that Chaney first thought was a motorcycle backfire is when JFK does just that around the mid Z140s to Z150s.


    Hi Charles,

  This is an enhanced copy (slowed and somewhat steadied) of the National Archives (NA) copy.  I am looking for the copy of the NA Z film without the enhancement, and slow motion, and as soon as I find it I'll post the link here for you. This gives a good view of Chaney, however, without Zapruder's camera jerking, and such: 

 

 Here is the link to the NA copy of the Z film at regular speed, un-enhanced.  You can slow the film down on YouTube  to get a better view of James Chaney.   

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on December 09, 2025, 03:11:58 AM »

She said that the first shot sounded like a car backfire, and she said that it didn't hit anybody.

Yes. She was referring to the horrible ear-shattering noise that was the first of three noises that she heard. She wasn't sure but she didn't think it hit anyone - she said things were hazy after that first shot. But you seem not to want to acknowledge that she said it occurred AFTER the last smile and wave made by JFK. The first shot occurred as he turned forward as he passed by where she was standing.  You seem unwilling to acknowledge that her evidence is inconsistent with an early missed shot.  It is not only the location and time of her recollection of the first shot.    The short spacing between the last two positively excludes an early first missed shot.
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Dan Rather verified on multiple world-wide broadcasts that the JFK Limo turning onto Elm St was on the Original Zapruder Film. The Current Zapruder Film does not include this. And there are other discrepancies between the Original Zapruder Film and the Current Zapruder Film.

Poor Dan Rather.

As he later said, he'd done the best he could under the circumstances.
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Oliver "Far-Left" Stone? Your political compass is outta wack.

Comrade Storing,

Of course, you (like your buddy, Vladimir Putin) are to the right of Attila the Hun, but where do you think Ollie falls on the political spectrum?

-- Tom
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 Oliver "Far-Left" Stone? Your political compass is outta wack.
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IIRC, Comrade Storing also doesn't believe Zapruder paused filming after Z-132, when in fact he stopped filming for seventeen seconds at that point.

   Dan Rather verified on multiple world wide broadcasts that the JFK Limo turning onto Elm St was on the Original Zapruder Film. The Current Zapruder Film does not include this. And there are other discrepancies between the Original Zapruder Film and the Current Zapruder Film.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on December 09, 2025, 01:58:47 AM »
She said that the horrible ear-shattering noise was the first of three shots that she distinctly recalled, the last two following that horrible ear-shattering noise after a pause of several seconds.


She said that the first shot sounded like a car backfire, and she said that it didn't hit anybody.


Well, the first thing I remember is . . . uhh . . . we wanted . . . they had turned the corner. It was like the parade was over. They were about to hit the freeway and there was this big crowd. There was people but not the huge crowds that they had coming through Dallas and they were kind of talking amongst themselves in the car and I yelled out “please look this way” because I wanted to see Jackie Kennedy “please look this way” and they did look at us and waved and I think we're the last people they waved to.

Stephen Fagin: Yeah, you can sort of see that moment in the Zapruder film when the President raises his hand . . . and then after they . . . when did when did the shooting begin?

Woodward:  Well, then the shooting . . . There was one shot . . . and I have always believed it didn't hit anybody and I think a lot of research has shown I'm probably right on this because I couldn't see anything happen and I couldn't figure out what it was and we were saying is it, you know, we thought it was somebody backfiring a car or fireworks or something, but then the next two shots came very, very rapidly the sound one didn't kind of fade away before the second shot came and that's when the second shot I saw really what happened, and I don't know . . . of all the four of us it seemed I was the only one who really saw or really understood what happened and I don't know whether it's because they really weren't that intent[ly] looking, they weren't the Kennedy aficionados that I was so I don't know if they really just weren't looking because it was also ending you know it was about to go up on the freeway ,or they just didn't grasp it,  I don't know, but we got back to the newspaper and we delayed a few minutes . . .

Stephen Fagin: Interrupts with a question about the Grassy Knoll.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on December 09, 2025, 01:42:51 AM »
JFK's turn and wave to Mary Woodward and her colleagues at Z-173 did come before the "horrible, ear-shattering noise" of Oswald's second shot at Z-222.

I know that is what you think occurred. But that is not what she said occurred.  You don’t seem to want to deal with what she, and others, said occurred.

She said that the horrible ear-shattering noise was the first of three shots that she distinctly recalled, the last two following that horrible ear-shattering noise after a pause of several seconds.   
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Do you think she equated the backfire-like sound (which is how some other witnesses characterized the first shot and which she said she didn't think had hit anybody) with the "horrible ear-shattering noise" of the second shot?

??I am just going by what she said. She did not mention a backfire-like sound before they shouted to JFK and before he turned and waved and smiled at them and before he passed by where she was standing. She referred to only three shots. 

She later said that the one thing she was totally positive of was that there were three shots and the second and third shots were close together-the last coming before the sound of the second had died out.
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