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TG--

I think it is possible the KGB had a tangential role in the JFKA, and directly liquidated who knows how many people globally, and successor alphabet agencies are doing the same work.

Putin is the worst Russian leader since Stalin.

There, I said bad things about the KGB and Putin.

Now you can go back to "Iran! Iran! Iran! Iran!"
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TG--

I think it is possible the KGB had a tangential role in the JFKA, and directly liquidated who knows how many people globally, and successor alphabet agencies are doing the same work.

Putin is the worst Russian leader since Stalin.

There, I said bad things about the KGB and Putin.

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You ask a fascinating and timely question, not just about the JFKA, but so many public-political events.

Yes, like the KGB's, the GRU's, and the Saint Petersburg Professional Trolls', et als', installing pro-Putin Donald Trump as our "president" on 20 January 2017 with help from people like Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, and Julian Assange.

I find it interesting that you rarely say anything negative about the KGB (today's SVR and FSB).

Why is that?
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TG--

You ask a fascinating and timely question, not just about the JFKA, but so many public-political events.

The ideology writes the agenda, and the agenda writes the narrative.

There is little doubt that Western leftists, and later leftist-Islamists, seized on the JFKA platform to advance their narratives, sometimes funded and boosted by Moscow or the IRGC, and who knows what NGOs or other intermediaries.

Lately, every large public event follows this pattern.

Odd historical fact: It was President LBJ himself who perped a snuff job on an investigation into LHO links to Havana and Moscow.



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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Does it really matter who killed JFK?
« Last post by Tom Graves on July 14, 2026, 04:32:50 AM »
Does it really matter who killed JFK?

It seems to me that the really important thing is that the Kremlin and its KGB (today's SVR and FSB) have "made hay" from the anomaly-replete assassination literally since Day One, when some Kremlin functionaries told Morris Childs, one of the FBI's SOLO brothers who couriered $28 million from the Kremlin to the CPUSA over twenty years and who just happened to be at the Kremlin around midnight on 11/22/63, that the KGB had nothing to do with former Marine sharpshooter and U-2 radar operator Lee Harvey Oswald during the two-and-a-half years he lived in the USSR.

Three-and-a-half years later, the KGB planted an anti-CIA/anti-Clay Shaw article in a Communist-owned Italian newspaper three days after over-ambitious, scandal-plagued, and revengeful New Orleans D.A. Jim Garrison had arrested the New Orleans businessman on suspicion of having masterminded a Loeb-and-Leopold-like homosexual thrill-kill assassination. The article was picked up by a far-left French newspaper, translated into English and given to Garrison by Bertrand Russell’s far-left secretary, Ralph Schoenman, and motivated Garrison to change his theory against Shaw to "He organized it for the CIA!"

Factoid:

In his 1989 book, "On the Trail of the Assassins" — which Oliver Stone integrated into his self-described mythological (“to counter the myth of the Warren Report”) film, “JFK,” Garrison lied when he said he didn't read the article until after the 1969 trial (which the jury decided against him in less than an hour). We know that he lied, though, because his assistant, Life magazine’s Richard Billings, wrote in his diary in mid-March 1967 that Garrison had received said article and was beginning to believe the CIA was behind the assassination.
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Which is the superior image?
Which contains the more detail?



 Also, Shelley and Lovelady are standing on the TSBD front steps at this same point in time. They can Not be in 2 places at the same time. The above is not Shelley and Lovelady
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on July 14, 2026, 03:35:21 AM »
So you admit you have no basis for your suggestion that the sound of the second shot could reverberate for over 2 seconds. Pretty much what I thought.
If you read the whole post you can see that it has been tested. And the results showed that the sound continued for several seconds as noticed by witnesses. 
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So what are you suggesting? That there was an echo of an echo?

It is called reverberation. 

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on July 14, 2026, 03:23:07 AM »
One would have to test it.  The reverberations take some time to die out.


So you admit you have no basis for your suggestion that the sound of the second shot could reverberate for over 2 seconds. Pretty much what I thought.
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The distance from the TSBD to the Post office building south of Commerce St was 200 yards so the first bounce back would take a bit more than 1 second. A second one arrives a bit more than 2 seconds afterward.

So what are you suggesting? That there was an echo of an echo? [qiote]

Are you saying that all the sound is fully absorbed after the first reflection?  There are other surfaces farther south.  During the acoustic experiments set up for the HSCA witnesses to see if they could distinguish distinct rifle shots or if they might be fooled by echos and reverberation.  The witneses reported hearing reverberations some seconds afterward but weren't fooled by them (Report No. 4034, Analysis of Earwitness Reports Relating to the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, D.M. Green, January 1979):

"From near the TSBD, a listener would hear a strong echo from the general vicinity of the railway overpass. However, since the initial disturbance, the shock wave from the bullet, would be almost directly overhead -- an anomalous locus, especially if the rifle had been fired from well within the TSBD - this echo would cause some confusion. The general area of the knoll, to the right of the bridge, would then be a prime candidate as the locus of the source. Even though this echo occurs 0.8 sec after the shock wave, it is the first sound that would make sense to the listener. On the other hand, listeners located near the railroad overpass would react to the very strong reflections from along Houston St.

For listeners in the Plaza area, the location of the rifle muzzle relative to the window opening is a critical determiner of the perceived sound. The further inside the building the muzzle is located, the greater the potential for the shock wave to dominate perception. If the muzzle of the rifle had been withdrawn and, therefore, little or no blast were present for one or more of the shots in 1963, the localization judgments of people in the Plaza would have been based primarily on the shock wave, creating much uncertainty and lack of agreement. [/quote]

The muzzle of the rifle was not inside the building when the shots were fired.
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During the reconstruction, echoes were heard from the new hotel, but they arrived some seconds after the primary sound and long after the earlier echoes from structures bordering the Plaza. The hotel echoes, therefore, did not interfere with the subjective evaluations in any way. "

This would explain witnesses hearing multiple sounds from the third shot. What you are suggesting is entirely different.
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I used my AI app to get information about Dr. Vincent Di Maio's work in regards to the fragmentation of full metal jacket (FMJ) bullets. Here is the result:

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Vincent Di Maio on Fragmentation of Full Metal Jacket Ammo in Skull Penetration

Vincent J. M. Di Maio, a renowned forensic pathologist and expert on gunshot wounds, has written extensively on the ballistic behavior of full metal jacket (FMJ) bullets and their interaction with bone, including the skull. In his authoritative work Gunshot Wounds: Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques, Di Maio explains that FMJ bullets are designed to maintain their jacket integrity during flight, but when they encounter bone, the jacket can fragment due to the high pressures and stresses involved.

How FMJ Bullets Fragment in Bone
When an FMJ bullet strikes bone, especially dense bone like the skull, the jacket can deform and break apart. This fragmentation is a result of:

High pressure and velocity from the bullet’s flight.

Bone resistance causing localized stress concentrations.

Jacket material properties — the copper or gilding metal jacket can fracture under impact, especially if the bullet is not perfectly round or if there are imperfections in the jacket layer.

Di Maio notes that fragmentation in bone is more common with FMJ than with pure lead bullets, because the jacket is more rigid and less ductile, making it more prone to cracking under the compressive and shear forces of bone contact ia800508.us.archive.org.

Forensic Pathology Context
In forensic examinations, the pattern of fragmentation can be important for:

Determining the caliber and type of bullet.

Assessing the trajectory and impact point.

Understanding the mechanism of injury in bone and soft tissue.

For skull penetration, fragmentation can lead to multiple entry wounds or bone chips being propelled into surrounding tissue, which can complicate the wound pattern and the pathologist’s reconstruction of the event.

Key Takeaway
According to Di Maio’s forensic ballistics principles, FMJ bullets can fragment in bone, including the skull, due to the combination of high-velocity impact and the rigidity of the jacket. This fragmentation is a documented phenomenon in forensic pathology and can be observed in autopsy findings, though it is not always the primary cause of injury — the bullet’s core and the bone’s reaction are equally important in determining the wound’s characteristics.

If you need a visual or technical reference, Di Maio’s Gunshot Wounds book and his other forensic pathology publications provide detailed diagrams and case-based explanations of bullet fragmentation in bone.

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In my previous post, I suggested Di Maio might not have much direct experience with FMJ rifle gunshots to the head. However, since he did write a book about gunshot wounds, it seems probable to me he would have looked at case studies beyond his own experience and would have larger knowledge base than what he acquired through his own work as a forensic medical examiner.

MTG has made several claims about Di Maio's work which I am quite skeptical about. For one, MTG claims Di Maio changed his mind about his earlier work which accepted Oswald was the lone assassin. We only have MTG's word for this since he doesn't actually quote Di Maio rejecting his earlier belief. He goes on to claim that Di Maio said that FMJ bullets would never shatter the way that the bullet that struck  JFK's head did. This gets back to a question I raised in my earlier post. Was Di Maio speaking about FMJ rifle ammo or pistol ammo. Due to the vast difference in velocity, this is an important factor. Given MTG's practice of citing people out of context, I am highly skeptical of his claims about Di Maio's conclusions. I will give MTG the opportunity to clarify his claims by answering two simple questions.

1. Can MTG QUOTE Di Maio actually saying that he had abandoned his earlier position that Oswald was the lone assassin?

2. Can MTG provide context that would tell us Di Maio said FMJ rifle ammo would not fragment as shown in the JFK x-rays or was Di Maio speaking specifically of handgun ammo when he made that observation.

I suspect MTG has been giving us his own interpretation of what Di Maio has said on the subject but will be glad to drop my skepticism if he can provide quotes from Di Maio that specifically address the question of Oswald as the lone assassin and that he was speaking specifically of rifle ammo when he made his observations on how a FMJ bullet would fragment after striking a skull.

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on July 14, 2026, 02:51:45 AM »
So were Brehm or Baker timing the shooting? That pretty much shoots down your theory of JBC being shot at Z270. The sound of a gunshot doesn't last 2.35 seconds. What Woodward is describing is a double sound from a single shot.
You pulled this one out of your ass. Sound travels at a bit over 1100 fps. None of the objects you mentioned were 1100 feet from the earwitnesses so no one would have been hearing an echo of a gunshot from 2.35 seconds earlier.
One would have to test it.  The reverberations take some time to die out.  The distance from the TSBD to the Post office building south of Commerce St was 200 yards so the first bounce back would take a bit more than 1 second. A second one arrives a bit more than 2 seconds afterward. Are you saying that all the sound is fully absorbed after the first reflection?  There are other surfaces farther south.  During the acoustic experiments set up for the HSCA witnesses to see if they could distinguish distinct rifle shots or if they might be fooled by echos and reverberation.  The witneses reported hearing reverberations some seconds afterward but weren't fooled by them (Report No. 4034, Analysis of Earwitness Reports Relating to the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy, D.M. Green, January 1979):

"From near the TSBD, a listener would hear a strong echo from the general vicinity of the railway overpass. However, since the initial disturbance, the shock wave from the bullet, would be almost directly overhead -- an anomalous locus, especially if the rifle had been fired from well within the TSBD - this echo would cause some confusion. The general area of the knoll, to the right of the bridge, would then be a prime candidate as the locus of the source. Even though this echo occurs 0.8 sec after the shock wave, it is the first sound that would make sense to the listener. On the other hand, listeners located near the railroad overpass would react to the very strong reflections from along Houston St.

For listeners in the Plaza area, the location of the rifle muzzle relative to the window opening is a critical determiner of the perceived sound. The further inside the building the muzzle is located, the greater the potential for the shock wave to dominate perception. If the muzzle of the rifle had been withdrawn and, therefore, little or no blast were present for one or more of the shots in 1963, the localization judgments of people in the Plaza would have been based primarily on the shock wave, creating much uncertainty and lack of agreement.

During the reconstruction, echoes were heard from the new hotel, but they arrived some seconds after the primary sound and long after the earlier echoes from structures bordering the Plaza. The hotel echoes, therefore, did not interfere with the subjective evaluations in any way. "
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