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Since I have never waded through Horne's five-volume ARRB epic, I did wonder if he mentions the Sprague memo or Burkley? If anyone knows, chime in.

With all the wacky things that get attention, I am flummoxed - flummoxed, I tell you - that the Sprague memo and the whole Burkley things just seems to have vanished into the JFKA mist.

All anyone needs to know about Horne is that he recycled David Lifton's ridiculous body snatching theory that proposes clandestine surgery was conducted on the corpse to disguise the true nature of the wounds. That theory is so preposterous it should be dismissed out of hand. Only the most gullible of CTs would consider it the least bit plausible.
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A big "if".  Not only did Woodward know where she was standing, she described it in detail in her FBI statement: "They walked to Elm Street and stopped in front of the Texas School Book Depository building, but were located a short distance down the street near the second light post. There were standing in this spot when the Presidential Motorcade came by." 

She then went on to tell the FBI that they cheered loudly as the President and Mrs. Kennedy  went by. "Just as President and Mrs. Kennedy went by, they turned and waved at them. Just a second or two later (ie. after JFK and Jackie turned and waved at them) she heard a louse noise."

JFK began that turn and wave at z172. A second after that is z190.  Two seconds is z208.

She said the first shot didn't hit anybody in the limo. Deal with it.
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  Are you claiming that Gov Connally did Not turn around a look at JFK face-to-face? How could Connally do that without moving his (R) arm? This is what we are seeing with respect to the (R) arm. Connally is turning around, while seated, in a very confined space

Is that what you took from what I wrote? JBC didn't turn around and face JFK until more than two seconds after he was shot. The flipping of his right arm was almost immediate. It happened less than 1/4 second after he was hit.
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   Well, this "grassy slope" is getting crowed. This is the Same "grassy slope" that Umbrella Man/Witt claimed he was walking down while fighting to open his umbrella.
   If Woodward did Not Know where she was standing, how can we believe she Knows what she is claiming to have seen? Just put yourself in the jury box. Of course, I'll be the Foreman.
A big "if".  Not only did Woodward know where she was standing, she described it in detail in her FBI statement: "They walked to Elm Street and stopped in front of the Texas School Book Depository building, but were located a short distance down the street near the second light post. There were standing in this spot when the Presidential Motorcade came by." 

She then went on to tell the FBI that they cheered loudly as the President and Mrs. Kennedy  went by. "Just as President and Mrs. Kennedy went by, they turned and waved at them. Just a second or two later (ie. after JFK and Jackie turned and waved at them) she heard a loud noise."

JFK began that turn and wave at z172. A second after that is z190.  Two seconds is z208.
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She was writing a story about the assassination. How does it matter whether they ate their lunch on the grassy slope or on the sidewalk? We know where they were standing. How could she not know where she was standing?

   Well, this "grassy slope" is getting crowed. This is the Same "grassy slope" that Umbrella Man/Witt claimed he was walking down while fighting to open his umbrella.
   If Woodward did Not Know where she was standing, how can we believe she Knows what she is claiming to have seen? Just put yourself in the jury box. Of course, I'll be the Foreman.
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Pitzer's wife reported that Navy officials threatened her with the loss of her husband's Navy pension if she didn't accept the suicide verdict and "keep her mouth shut."
Pure BS. She told Dangerous Dan in a phone conversation that the Navy investigators of Pitzer's death had told her not to talk about it, period. She said she knew that those who had been at the autopsy (which did not include Pitzer) had been sworn to secrecy. She said she was 80 years old, that the Navy had treated her very well, and she was concerned about inadvertently saying something that might jeopardize her pension.

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You question whether Pitzer was ever warned to keep quiet about his knowledge of the JFK autopsy, yet even Heiner admits this happened.
Heiner says nothing like this. It appears that you're channeling Penn Jones' nonsense, which Heiner reports as uncorroborated nonsense. You apparently skimmed Heiner's e-book and didn't realize what you were reading,

I quote Heiner: "Penn Jones relayed the inaccurate information from the News-Sun and apparently added more of his own, declaring that 'Lt.' Pitzer called his experience of debriefings after JFK's autopsy 'horrifying' and that he told to be silent for national security reasons. Whether Jones had a source for any of this additional information or merely invented it is unclear. It is not implausible that he and Peterson may have shared notes, as Peterson's 'list' was almost certainly in reference to Jones' work. It seems doubtful that Jones did any research of his own in this matter; had he even looked up Pitzer's obituaries, he would have been obliged to give his correct rank as 'Lt. Cmdr.'

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Yes, the heel print could have been from a first responder, but we don't know whose print it was because the FBI did not bother to check it. The FBI could have easily checked the shoes of the first responders to determine if one of them made the heel print, but they didn't.
Wrong again, sweetie. From Heiner's book: "A partial heel print from a man’s shoe was noted on one of the four notes (Item 9) submitted by the NIS [Naval Investigative Service]. It was photographed and retained in records for future reference, but the [FBI] lab noted that 'due to the limited detail in this print, it is unlikely that it can be definitely associated with a particular heel.'"
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What you are seeing is JBC flipping his arm upward in an involuntary reflexive response to being shot in the wrist. That up and down arm flip began at Z226 and lasted 9 frames. It is the strongest indication we have of the validity of the SBT as it shows JFK and JBC reacting reflexively at the same instant.

  Are you claiming that Gov Connally did Not turn around a look at JFK face-to-face? How could Connally do that without moving his (R) arm? This is what we are seeing with respect to the (R) arm. Connally is turning around, while seated, in a very confined space
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I aM NoTTT a NUTKASe!!!!!
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"Mistaken impression"?! So eight witnesses in three different locations all "got the same mistaken impression"?! All eight of them could not tell the difference between a crack and a hole?!

Yeah, pretty much.
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So do tell us how Officer Ellis could have gotten this "mistaken impression" when he put a pencil through the hole.

I don't believe he did.
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Tell us how Secret Service agent Taylor, who rode in the limousine from Andrews Air Force Base to the White House garage, a 25-35-minute drive, and then watched FBI technicians remove fragments from the hole, could have mistaken a crack for a hole, especially given the wording of his report:

I'm not able to explain why people make mistakes. I just know that they do.
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In addition, of particular note was the small hole just left of center in the windshield from which what appeared to be bullet fragments were removed.

Do tell us how Evalea Glanges, a medical student at the time who later became head of the surgery department at a major hospital, could have "mistaken" a crack for a hole, given that she specified that she didn't see any cracks around the hole, but just the hole. This rings true because when objects make holes in windshields, cracks often don't develop from the hole until later, as I have personally seen with the windshields of two of my cars. Glanges specified that the hole was a "real clean hole." I should add that Glanges had years of experience with firearms, having been a recreational gun enthusiast since childhood. 

And Whitaker was the last person on Earth would have confused a crack for a hole. As a senior windshield technician, he had seen all kinds of testing done on windshields. He saw the windshield after it had been removed from the limo. He was able to examine both sides of the windshield from just inches away. Noted Whitaker,

And the windshield had a bullet hole in it, coming from the outside through. You could see it from the way it was broken. . . It was a good, clean bullet hole, right straight through, from the front. And you can tell, when the bullet hits the windshield, like when you hit a rock or something, what happens? The back chips out and the front may just have a pinhole in it. This had a clean round hole in the front and fragmentation coming out the back. . . .

I worked in the industry for forty years and I've seen all kinds of testing on glass, and I know it came from the front. ("The Kennedy Limousine: Dallas 1963", pp. 143-144)


You lamely and dishonestly claim that Weldon found Whitaker to be credible "solely because his story conflicts" with the Warren Report. You obviously know nothing about Doug Weldon, and you apparently have not read Weldon's detailed explanation for why he found Whitaker to be credible. 

I see no reason to read every book written by crackpot authors. You on the other hand seem gullible enough to accept anything and everything that disputes the findings of the WC.
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You see, you folks aren't interested in following the evidence where it leads. You keep saying, "if there was a conspiracy, someone would have talked." Well, many people have talked, but in every single case, when those people's accounts contradict the lone-gunman theory, you reach and strain for any excuse, no matter how lame, to either reject their accounts or to accuse them of lying.

There are dozens if not hundreds of various conspiracy theories. Am I supposed to give credence to all of them. The fact is, I've seen nothing that gives credence to any of them.
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This is yet another display of your ignorance of JFK assassination research.

I don't consider reading crackpot authors research.
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Obviously, you didn't bother to read the main source I linked in the OP, i.e., Weldon's chapter on the windshield hole. I'm sure you didn't read any of the other linked sources either. If you had read Weldon's chapter, you would have discovered that he addresses the issue of the position of the shooter who fired through the windshield. He documents that a shooter firing the from the south side of the triple underpass would not have been "right in the open for all to see." In fact, he would have been well concealed.

You're right. I'm not into going on snipe hunts. You, on the other hand, seem to revel in it.
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Moreover, Sherry Fiester, an instructor and court-certified expert in crime-scene reconstruction and blood-spatter analysis, found another location on the south knoll, a different location than the one Weldon identified, that would have also provided good concealment. She discusses this in her 2012 book Enemy of the Truth, Myths, Forensics, and the Kennedy Assassination and in the 2016 documentary A Coup in Camelot.

Oh, this should be good. Tell us how somebody could fire a shot through the windshield trying to hit JFK.
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This stuff was covered years ago, but, as usual, you have no clue because your research has been so meager and biased.

There's a mountain of crap that's been covered the past 62 years. That doesn't give any of it credibility.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: A question for John Corbett
« Last post by John Corbett on July 28, 2026, 03:42:25 PM »
You apparently refuse to look at Bennett and Hickey in several consecutive Zapruder frames from about 145-on, or a good-quality copy of the Zapruder film played in slow motion.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/

The Costella/Zapruder frame collection has long been my primary source for looking at individual frames. Unfortunately, they don't provide much clarity in their unenhanced form. What is needed is enlarged frames to determine individual movements from one frame to the next. In the unenhanced format, movements from one frame to the next are just too minute.
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