JFK Assassination Forum

They based it on the evidence none of which conflicts with the zfilm ie. the evidence that

• JFK was hit by the first shot.

Wrong

• JBC was hit in the back on the second shot after he turned around to look at JFK after the first shot.

Right

• JFK was hit in the head on the third shot.

Right

• The last two shots were closer together.

Wrong

Your batting .500. That's much better than you usually do.

You think the witnesses all had the same hallucinations. Which is more stupid?

No, they had the same misperceptions. Do you think the witnesses who said the shots were evenly spaced and those who said the first two shots were closer togather were hallucinating?

JC-

Years ago I did the math on the drop of a bullet at 300 fps over 70 years, and it wasn't much.

AI version:

At 300 fps, a heavy bullet like a .30-06 drops approximately 8.5 to 9 inches at 70 yards.

So a shot aimed at JFK's head from the TSBD6 would drop down to about where he was struck in the back. Remember, I said an underpowered bullet. Many witnesses describe the first shot as faint, or different in pitch and volume, from succeeding shots.

Your math skills are about as bad as your analytical skills.

70 yards is 210 feet. At 300 fps, it would take 0.7 seconds for the bullet to travel 210 feet. Here is how AI calculated the distance the bullet would drop.
 
Distance Fallen in 0.7 Seconds Near Earth’s Surface
For an object in free fall from rest near Earth’s surface, the distance fallen after time

where:

d = distance fallen (meters)

g = acceleration due to gravity ≈ 9.81 m/s²

t = time fallen (seconds) The Physics Classroom+1

Substitute
t = 0.7s:

d = 1/2 × 9.81 × (0.7)squared

d = 4.905 × 0.49

d ≈ 2.40
 
meters
Answer: The object will fall about 2.40 meters in 0.7 seconds, assuming it starts from rest and air resistance is negligible.

Maybe LHO hand-packed his first shot, as he seemed rather thin on ammo.

It doesn't matter why the bullet was underpowered. It wouldn't effect the gravitational drop.

Then there is this:

AI version:

A bullet traveling at 300 fps at 70 yards will likely penetrate about 1 to 2 inches (2.5 to 5 cm) into human tissue. Because 300 fps is roughly the speed of an airsoft gun or a highly spent projectile, it generally lacks the energy to shatter bone or reach vital organs.

So, an underpowered hits JFK were it did, but was possibly dis-jarred by the shock wave through his body by the shot at Z-313.

This narrative rests on Paul Landis being accurate in his recollections.

Your narrative rests on accurately calculating the amount of drop. 2.4 meters is roughly 8 feet. A shot falling that far isn't going to come anywhere near JFK.

Looking at the Altgens photo it appears JFK's mouth is distorted from a shock to his spine and/or nerves.

Hi Jarrett,

Both yourself and Royell Storing have brought up a very good points regarding President Kennedy's mouth.

   Although I have no proof  that this it happened, I have often wondered if President Kennedy gagged once the bullet ripped through his throat, thus he threw his hand up and over his mouth.  He makes two jerking motions as he exits from behind the Stemmons sign.  The first is a very sudden head-nod motion, and the second  looks like a possible gagging/heaving motion.  I made a similar post to this group a few years ago regarding JFK's hands, and one of the people who read the thread pointed out that it looked to him like JFK wipes his mouth off as he's turning his head to his left. Since then, I've wondered myself if he didn't do this, and wondered if JFK could have both gagged on blood in his mouth, and the terrible feeling he must have suffered as the bullet tore through his throat.

The Altgen's photo you've posted here is interesting regarding the unusual position of his mouth. ( Your copy is much clearer than anything I've seen-even blown up).  I thought it looks like his tongue is partially sticking out over his lower lip, and I've always thought the whole area showing him is a bit odd, and I made some graphics splicing his image because in some ways, his head position makes no sense to me, nor does his mouth position. (See the graphic below).  In your copy of Altgens here, it ALMOST looks like blood running  down his chin-which I've never noticed in other copies of Altgens 6.

Thanks for bringing this up regarding JFK's mouth position.

   Which raises the question of why a man shot in the Back, is covering his mouth?

Great point, Royell. Please see my response to Jarrett Smith, below).

You are repeating your very poor analysis of what you see JBC doing after he was shot. He is clearly dipping and doubling over to his right in reaction to the bullet that just passed through his chest and you think he was turning to see JFK. If that's why he was turning, why the hell are his eyes looking down to his right? Your explanation of his movements following the shot are as FUBAR as it gets.

This is a classic example of trying to drive a square peg into a round hole. You are trying to force fit the evidence to your beliefs rather letting the evidence dictate your beliefs. The only thing dumber than your belief that JBC wasn't hit until Z270 is Benjamin Cole's belief he wasn't hit until Z295. I'm sorry but you only get the silver medal for silliness in this event.

So you must think the FBI were stupid too. I didn’t make their model: