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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why did Oswald go get his revolver?
« Last post by John Corbett on May 25, 2026, 04:58:30 PM »
Quote from: Michael Capasse on May 25, 2026, 01:55:06 PM
:D lame
 
Frazier was sure of what he saw:

Mr. BALL - You say he had the package under his arm when you saw him?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

Mr. BALL - You mean one end of it under the armpit?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir; he had it up just like you stick it right under your arm like that.

Mr. BALL - And he had the lower part--
Mr. FRAZIER - The other part with his right hand.

Mr. BALL - Right hand?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right.

Mr. BALL - He carried it then parallel to his body?
Mr. FRAZIER - Right, straight up and down.

Representative FORD - Under his right arm?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.

FBI conclusions on markings and fibers in the bag:

Mr. CADIGAN. "There were no marks on this bag that I could say were caused by that rifle or any other rifle or any other given instrument."

DPD on the prints on the bag:

Mr. BALL. You say you dusted it?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. With that magnetic powders.

Mr. BALL. Did you lift any prints?

Mr. STUDEBAKER. There wasn't but just smudges on it - is all it was.
There was one little ole piece of a print and I'm sure I put a piece of tape on it preserve it.

Not very overwhelming. Is it?

Nice job of cherry picking the WC testimony. Is there a reason you left out this passage from Studebaker's testimony?

Mr. BALL. What sort of training did you have for the crime lab work that you are doing?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. It's just on - the - job training - you go out with old officers and learn how to dust for prints and take pictures and fingerprints.
Mr. BALL. Have you had any special training in identification fingerprints?
Mr. STUDEBAKER. No, sir; we don't classify prints too much where we are. We just compare them.

Why would you site a technician rather than an actual expert in fingerprint identification? Somebody like FBI fingerprint expert Sebastian Latona?

Mr. EISENBERG. Returning to the prints themselves, you stated I believe that you found a palmprint and a fingerprint on this paper bag?
Mr. LATONA. That is correct.
Mr. EISENBERG. Did you find any other prints?
Mr. LATONA. No; no other prints that we term of value in the sense that I felt that they could be identified or that a conclusion could be reached that they were not identical with the fingerprints or palmprints of some other person.
Mr. EISENBERG. Did you attempt to identify the palmprint and fingerprint?
Mr. LATONA. The ones that I developed; yes.
Mr. EISENBERG. Were you able to identify these prints?
Mr. LATONA. I--the ones I developed, I did identify.
Mr. EISENBERG. Whose prints did you find them to be?
Mr. LATONA. They were identified as a fingerprint and a palmprint of Lee Harvey Oswald.

As for Frazier's testimony, assuming he was being truthful, established Oswald carried a long paper bag into the TSBD. It did not establish the length of the bag because Frazier never measured it. He guessed at its length from memory. The way he described Oswald carrying the bag is consistent with where the prints were found, on the bottom of the bag. Frazier thought the bag extended above Oswald's shoulder but by his own admission he wasn't paying close attention to it. Why would he? Why would he think the length had any significance AT THE TIME.

The fact is that a bag with Oswald's palm and fingerprint on the bottom of it was found by the sniper's nest which also contained fibers matching the blanket Oswald used to store his rifle. If you want to believe that wasn't the same bag Frazier saw Oswald carry into the TSBD, that means Oswald would have carried the sniper's nest bag into the TSBD at some other unknown time and that the bag Frazier saw Oswald take into the building was never found. I don't have that problem. All I have to do is believe Frazier was just wrong about the length of the bag and that it protruded above Oswald's shoulder. That is very easy for me to believe.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why are so many Trump supporters attracted to the JFKA?
« Last post by Royell Storing on May 25, 2026, 04:57:46 PM »
Quote from: Lance Payette on May 25, 2026, 03:05:29 PM
Right, they're just dummies who probably don't even think One Glove Cop is an Haygood Imposter.  ::)

The Journal of Democracy is the world’s leading publication on the theory and practice of democracy. Since its founding in 1990, the Journal has engaged leading scholars, writers, and activists in critical discussions about the prospects and perils for democracy across the globe.

The Journal of Democracy is published by Johns Hopkins University Press. The Journal’s editors take no editorial positions, but are guided by the mission of providing analysis of the major political, social, and economic challenges that confront democracy. The Journal of Democracy is led solely by the best judgment of its editors, who act freely and independently. The Journal’s editors alone are responsible for all editorial decisions. No outside party determines, reviews, or endorses the Journal’s choices, and funders do not participate in commissioning authors, developing essays, or editing manuscripts. Each decision is made with the aim of providing a range of viewpoints and analysis that furthers our understanding of democracy today.

Off the topic, but I wonder how many people know that the Great Emancipator's view was not the freeing of the slaves and their integration into American society? It was the freeing of the slaves and sending them back to Africa or elsewhere ASAP because Blacks would simply never mesh with a white society. This was in fact the prevailing view, termed "colonization," within the anti-slavery movement.

Weirdly, as I happen to know from recent reading, the Mormons of Utah - who viewed Blacks as a cursed people carrying the Mark of Cain - overwhelmingly voted to extend them full civil rights in the Utah Territory before the Civil War.

   Stop now trying to hide behind the "opinion" of others. You're jammed up with having misrepresented history because you failed to do the work that supports a legit opinion. That's "foundation", which you sadly lack. I really don't like confronting you, due to it feeling like I'm taking candy from a baby. But, if nobody corrects you, you will only only continue poisoning the historical well. You have no idea how extremely weak you look.   
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why did Oswald go get his revolver?
« Last post by Marjan Rynkiewicz on May 25, 2026, 04:44:21 PM »
Quote from: Lance Payette on May 25, 2026, 03:23:50 PM
At the Ed Forum, Marjan defines his interests as:

Aether (& Gravity)(& Photons)(& Photaenos), Elekticity (& Elektons), English Billiards (12 ft table), Carnivore diet (zero carbs).

In my book, anyone that interesting can spell however he wants.

Like me, you're probably asking yourself, "So what are Photaenos anyway?" The answer, it would appear, is to be found at the Thunderbolts Forum, "for discussion of Electric Universe and Plasma Cosmology." Photaenos are discussed at a thread titled "Photons & photaenos & praether & aether," https://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=129606, in which Marjan may be one of the contributors for all I know.

You're welcome.
Yes, i am crawler or cushioncrawler or atheistaetherist or Marjan Rynkiewicz or madmac depending on the forum.
This week i am printing a book on English Billiards. It will cost me $6000.
This week i am writing a book on elekticity on a wire. I hope to print it in late 2026. It will cost me $2000.
I woz a Civil Engineer, not an Electrical Engineer. But i am No1 in the world re elekticity on a wire.
Today i finally worked out where Wolfgang G Gasser made hiz mistake when he measured the speed of electric radiation in the near field to be 5c.
This in my opinion makes me No1 in the world re Gasser.
And it now makes me No1 in the world in 8 realms, mostly physics stuff.
I retired from full time employment when i woz 52 years old. I am now 78.  And i study something/anything 12 hours per day.
After the elekticity book i will write a book on the jfk saga. Hickey shot jfk.
Life iz too short.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why did Oswald go get his revolver?
« Last post by Marjan Rynkiewicz on May 25, 2026, 04:32:04 PM »
Quote from: Tommy Shanks on May 25, 2026, 03:14:14 PM
Can you please post in something t more akin to properly spelled English? How do you expect anybody to wade through your bizarre jargon?
Respect.
But i am only extending the unfinished work of Teddy.
I say that i will spell is az is when u pronounce is az is.
Untill then it iz iz.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by John Corbett on May 25, 2026, 04:31:55 PM »
Quote from: Zeon Mason on May 25, 2026, 03:51:12 PM
Well Commie China was using  those 4 legged dog like robots and small flying drones to scare their own citizens to stay off the streets and causing them to go crazy locked up in their tower apartments , committing suicide, so it might be a viable form of psychological warfare.

The reason robots don't scare me is because I can always do what Dorothy did to the Wicked Witch. I can just throw a bucket of water on one and it will be toast. I have yet to see an electronic device that could survive that.

I've been saying that for several years. Last week on Gutfeld, Tyrus used the same line. Great minds tend to think alike.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by Zeon Mason on May 25, 2026, 03:51:12 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on May 25, 2026, 01:52:26 PM
Robot technology has come a long way but we are still a long way from being able to stage an invasion of robots. So far, we've been able to program them to do very specific tasks. They don't respond well to the unexpected. I am reminded of the recent viral video of a Chinese robot programmed to do a Michael Jackson dance and tripping on the stairs and falling helplessly to the floor.

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=video+of+chinese+robot+tripping+doing+a+michael+jackson+dance&mid=D3F45A99CDD075A2E12DD3F45A99CDD075A2E12D&churl=&mmscn=stvo&FORM=VIRE

If we had an army of robots like this, our enemies might die laughing.

Well Commie China was using  those 4 legged dog like robots and small flying drones to scare their own citizens to stay off the streets and causing them to go crazy locked up in their tower apartments , committing suicide, so it might be a viable form of psychological warfare.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why did Oswald go get his revolver?
« Last post by Lance Payette on May 25, 2026, 03:23:50 PM »
Quote from: Tommy Shanks on May 25, 2026, 03:14:14 PM
Can you please post in something t more akin to properly spelled English? How do you expect anybody to wade through your bizarre jargon?

At the Ed Forum, Marjan defines his interests as:

Aether (& Gravity)(& Photons)(& Photaenos), Elekticity (& Elektons), English Billiards (12 ft table), Carnivore diet (zero carbs).

In my book, anyone that interesting can spell however he wants.

Like me, you're probably asking yourself, "So what are Photaenos anyway?" The answer, it would appear, is to be found at the Thunderbolts Forum, "for discussion of Electric Universe and Plasma Cosmology." Photaenos are discussed at a thread titled "Photons & photaenos & praether & aether," https://thunderbolts.info/wp/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=129606, in which Marjan may be one of the contributors for all I know.

You're welcome.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why did Oswald go get his revolver?
« Last post by Lance Payette on May 25, 2026, 03:17:27 PM »
Quote from: Marjan Rynkiewicz on May 25, 2026, 02:34:27 PM
I am mainly interested in what happened in Dealey Plaza, & az u all know i am No1 in that area.
But the Tippet etc aftermath iz interesting.
Oswald might hav had a plane waiting. Very unlikely. He didnt hav that good a plan.
He might hav needed the handgun to get cash, to go to Mexico.  Nope.
He might hav had a possible safe house in the area. In which case he fetched hiz handgun etc koz he woz a tightwad. Yes. Thats probly it.

It seems to me that the only rational CT theories have to be along the lines of:

1. Oswald was a gunman in a conspiracy that had absolutely nothing resembling an escape plan. His odds of simply walking out of the TSBD were infinitesimal. If he bought into a conspiracy with the plan "Get your fanny out of there somehow, go home by public transportation and get your revolver, and meet us at the rendezvous point" - well, come on, Oswald was way smarter than that.

2. He was a patsy but knew his rifle was on the sixth floor and would be identified as the murder weapon, so he panicked instead of doing something rational like running to the nearest policeman. If he was a completely oblivious patsy, his post-JFKA actions make no sense.

No, wait a minute: In #2, his actions sort of would make sense. He realizes he's a patsy and that the only good patsy is a dead patsy. He figures they are going to kill him right then and there. So he hightails it out of the TSBD, has Whaley drop him off two blocks from the rooming house (because maybe they are waiting for him) and gets his revolver for protection. Not great, I'll admit, but better than #1.

Either of those is a tough sell.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why did Oswald go get his revolver?
« Last post by Tommy Shanks on May 25, 2026, 03:14:14 PM »
Quote from: Marjan Rynkiewicz on May 25, 2026, 02:34:27 PM
I am mainly interested in what happened in Dealey Plaza, & az u all know i am No1 in that area.
But the Tippet etc aftermath iz interesting.
Oswald might hav had a plane waiting. Very unlikely. He didnt hav that good a plan.
He might hav needed the handgun to get cash, to go to Mexico.  Nope.
He might hav had a possible safe house in the area. In which case he fetched hiz handgun etc koz he woz a tightwad. Yes. Thats probly it.

Can you please post in something t more akin to properly spelled English? How do you expect anybody to wade through your bizarre jargon?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why are so many Trump supporters attracted to the JFKA?
« Last post by Lance Payette on May 25, 2026, 03:05:29 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on May 25, 2026, 02:45:44 PM
   The above displays a total lack of historical knowledge. The Southern States WITHDREW from the "UNITED" States. How could anyone living inside these same states then vote in the 1864 POTUS Election? Laughable.
   TECHNICALLY, this same issue is what the Civil War was fought over. Whether a state could just withdraw from the UNITED States. Abe Lincoln was on record as being OK with the Civil War ending with slavery still being intact.
   

Right, they're just dummies who probably don't even think One Glove Cop is an Haygood Imposter.  ::)

The Journal of Democracy is the world’s leading publication on the theory and practice of democracy. Since its founding in 1990, the Journal has engaged leading scholars, writers, and activists in critical discussions about the prospects and perils for democracy across the globe.

The Journal of Democracy is published by Johns Hopkins University Press. The Journal’s editors take no editorial positions, but are guided by the mission of providing analysis of the major political, social, and economic challenges that confront democracy. The Journal of Democracy is led solely by the best judgment of its editors, who act freely and independently. The Journal’s editors alone are responsible for all editorial decisions. No outside party determines, reviews, or endorses the Journal’s choices, and funders do not participate in commissioning authors, developing essays, or editing manuscripts. Each decision is made with the aim of providing a range of viewpoints and analysis that furthers our understanding of democracy today.

Off the topic, but I wonder how many people know that the Great Emancipator's view was not the freeing of the slaves and their integration into American society? It was the freeing of the slaves and sending them back to Africa or elsewhere ASAP because Blacks would simply never mesh with a white society. This was in fact the prevailing view, termed "colonization," within the anti-slavery movement.

Weirdly, as I happen to know from recent reading, the Mormons of Utah - who viewed Blacks as a cursed people carrying the Mark of Cain - overwhelmingly voted to extend them full civil rights in the Utah Territory before the Civil War.
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