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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: CTers: Do yourself a favor and focus on plausibility
« Last post by Lance Payette on Yesterday at 05:37:16 PM »
Quote from: Michael Capasse on Yesterday at 05:23:42 PM
11/22/63: there is insufficient evidence that he had even fired a gun in the previous 4 years.

Mr. Rankin: …there are a good many stories about his practicing with a gun, you know, around various rifle ranges and so forth,
we have checked those out and none of them stand up at all.

Marina, however, was very explicit on page 231 of her HSCA testimony that he had disappeared with his rifle on "several occasions" for "several hours," saying he was "going to target practice or something like that" at a "practice range somewhere apparently." She clarified on page 255 that this was all "in Dallas." (Her WC testimony was definitely not as specific. He told her he had gone to practice at "Love Field," but only "once or twice" and she never saw him taking the rifle to practice. Jesus, what a mess - the WC tries to clear up the confusion on pages 397-398 of Volume V, and now she sees him carrying the rifle under his raincoat "only once" and she assumes he is going to Love Field because that is where the bus goes and she knows there is a lot of noise out at the airport that might cover the sound of a rifle.)
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: CTers: Do yourself a favor and focus on plausibility
« Last post by Lance Payette on Yesterday at 05:30:08 PM »
Quote from: Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 04:58:48 PM
Not that I think Oswald took the shots but the sloppiness and unprofessionalism of the shooting speaks of someone not proficient with a rifle.
Its a close distance shot and the shooter has plenty of time to line it up.
The target is JFK's head.
Of the three shots, two miss the target.
Some people go on about a professional hit but it was nothing of the sort. It was amateur hour.
There was at least a six second gap between JFK getting shot in the throat and the head shot. In that time JFK could have fallen to the floor of the limo or had his head hidden in Jackie's lap or the Secret Service could have done their job correctly or plenty of other possibilities. It's blind luck that JFK stayed upright to receive the fatal blow.
One of the shots missed everything!!
Anyone going on about professional hit squads needs to wake up.
It was certainly not beyond the capabilities of someone like Oswald to almost blow this easy opportunity.

I'm not sure how sloppy and unprofessional it was if the M-C was the weapon. First shot (I tend to believe) is a little low and to the right. Second shot, bingo. I mentioned long ago playing golf with a guy who had been a military sniper for 23 years and was now teaching counterterroism.. He greatly surprised me by saying he certainly could have made the shots "but not with that rifle."

John Orr's Mafia theory has 4.15 seconds between the back shot and the head shot. As you do, he notes the risk of JFK slumping out of view during that period. He explains this (with a photo on page 46 of his "Analysis of Gunshots in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963," http://www.mountainrivercabins.com/JohnOrrReport.pdf) by a tree blocking the line of site from the County Records Building. That doesn't sound like the level of professionalism I might expect from a Mafia pro, but perhaps the plan was to wait and see if Oswald got the job done, knowing that anywhere along Elm would be an easy shot for a Mafia pro. (FWIW, Orr has Oswald's first shot being the back shot, but exiting the limo rather than passing through JBC; the second shot is also by Oswald and causes JBC's wounds except the wrist wound; the third shot is the head shot by a Mafia pro in the CRB, a fragment from which causes JBC's wrist wounds; followed almost immediately by a fourth shot, also from Oswald, that hits the pavement left of the limo.)

Certainly, "squads" of gunmen violates my demand for plausibilty, but Oswald and a one-shot pro is at least in the ballpark. The theory that there was only one gunman - not Oswald - and that the shots were intentionally sloppy to make them plausibly attributable to Oswald and his M-C seems far-fetched.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: CTers: Do yourself a favor and focus on plausibility
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Yesterday at 05:23:42 PM »
11/22/63: there is insufficient evidence that he had even fired a gun in the previous 4 years.

Mr. Rankin: …there are a good many stories about his practicing with a gun, you know, around various rifle ranges and so forth,
we have checked those out and none of them stand up at all.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: CTers: Do yourself a favor and focus on plausibility
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Yesterday at 05:14:38 PM »
Quote from: John Mytton on Yesterday at 04:27:05 PM
Yawn, is that all you got, Capasse?,
JohnM

 Thumb1: It is all I need.
A low marksman qualification score is considered [not by me or you]  by the Marines to be a "rather poor shot"
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: CTers: Do yourself a favor and focus on plausibility
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 05:07:50 PM »
Quote from: Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 04:58:48 PM
Not that I think Oswald took the shots but the sloppiness and unprofessionalism of the shooting speaks of someone not proficient with a rifle.
Its a close distance shot and the shooter has plenty of time to line it up.
The target is JFK's head.
Of the three shots, two miss the target.
Some people go on about a professional hit but it was nothing of the sort. It was amateur hour.
There was at least a six second gap between JFK getting shot in the throat and the head shot. In that time JFK could have fallen to the floor of the limo or had his head hidden in Jackie's lap or the Secret Service could have done their job correctly or plenty of other possibilities. It's blind luck that JFK stayed upright to receive the fatal blow.
One of the shots missed everything!!
Anyone going on about professional hit squads needs to wake up.
It was certainly not beyond the capabilities of someone like Oswald to almost blow this easy opportunity.

    The result of the "head shot" rendering damage far beyond the damage inflicted by the earlier shots.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: CTers: Do yourself a favor and focus on plausibility
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 04:58:48 PM »
Not that I think Oswald took the shots but the sloppiness and unprofessionalism of the shooting speaks of someone not proficient with a rifle.
Its a close distance shot and the shooter has plenty of time to line it up.
The target is JFK's head.
Of the three shots, two miss the target.
Some people go on about a professional hit but it was nothing of the sort. It was amateur hour.
There was at least a six second gap between JFK getting shot in the throat and the head shot. In that time JFK could have fallen to the floor of the limo or had his head hidden in Jackie's lap or the Secret Service could have done their job correctly or plenty of other possibilities. It's blind luck that JFK stayed upright to receive the fatal blow.
One of the shots missed everything!!
Anyone going on about professional hit squads needs to wake up.
It was certainly not beyond the capabilities of someone like Oswald to almost blow this easy opportunity.

 




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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 04:38:37 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on May 27, 2026, 04:16:48 PM
I have no idea whether the car appears in the Wiegman film or not and I don't really care. I took you at your word that the car doesn't appear in the film but it makes no difference if it does or not. You have presented nothing that even makes me curious about it. Over the past 35 years, I have seen literally hundreds of CT rabbit holes and I have better things to do then go down every one of them. Yours is no exception. Once you've seen one rabbit hole, you've seen them all.

   "CT Rabbit Hole.............."?  I Proved the Huge Gates were "wide open". I proved this "getaway" car was Not on the Wiegman Film. This car was Not parked alongside the Island when the JFK Limo turned onto Elm St. 20 seconds later it is parked alongside the Island on the Couch/Darnell Films. These are Not RABBIT HOLES. These Legit Issues should have been Exposed decades ago. And the same goes for the Bogus Motorcycle Cop that we see on the Darnell Film walking around the train yard after the Kill Shot. These ISSUES should have been fleshed out a long time ago. Personally, I think there are those that did recognize these Issues way back when. Their avoidance of these "Conspiracy" Issues speaks to the validity of: (1) "wide open" Huge Gates, (2) a "getaway" car right across the street from these same gates, and, (3) a Bogus Motorcycle Cop deep inside the train yard. ALL of this was/is contrary to the Official Narrative that the assassination was conducted by 1 Lone Nut.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 04:36:40 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 04:02:52 PM
I gave specific examples of parts of his testimony that are corroborated by the Z-film and all you can do is respond with bluster.

You gave nothing other than your cherry-picked 'corroborations' and your own ill informed interpretation of what the Z-film shows.
This thread is a forensic examination of every piece of evidence relating to when the first shot occurred, including Connally's recollections.
Your ignorance regarding this matter appears to be total. Yet you are solidly convinced of your correctness.
For the last time - JBC's memory of the event cannot be relied on because he suffered a massively traumatic, life-threatening injury which dramatically affected his memory of the event.
Do you agree with him that the first two shots were a "split second" apart?
Do you agree he was facing just left of centre when shot?
Do you agree, according to the Z-film, the only time he turns to face JFK is after he has been shot?
Do you agree with JBC's assessment of around z234 as the moment he was shot?
Do you believe in examining ALL the evidence?

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: CTers: Do yourself a favor and focus on plausibility
« Last post by John Mytton on Yesterday at 04:27:05 PM »
Quote from: Michael Capasse on Yesterday at 03:47:57 PM
Blah Blah Blah ! Does nothing to change the fact:
Consequently a low marksman qualification indicates a “rather poor shot”

Yawn, is that all you got, Capasse?, You're a one trick pony and you can keep repeating some desk jockey's opinion till you're blue in the face, but the fact remains that the NCO in charge of the Marksmanship Training Unit Armory at the Marksmanship Training Unit in the Weapons Training Battalion Marine Corps School, Quantico, Va. tells us that as compared to the average male, Oswald was an Excellent shot.
And don't forget there is a reason for the Marine qualifications and a Marksman still qualifies as a Marine. So despite some pen pushers opinion, Oswald on the strength of his abilities would be defined as a capable Marine. Case closed!

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Is qualifying as a marksman good enough to be a marine?

AI Overview

Yes, qualifying as a "Marksman" is absolutely good enough to become and remain a United States Marine. It is the minimum passing score required on the rifle range, allowing you to earn your official Marksmanship badges (United States) and fulfill the service's foundational "Every Marine a Rifleman" requirement.

The hierarchy of marksmanship qualification in the USMC consists of three passing levels:
Expert: Scores between 305 and 350
Sharpshooter: Scores between 280 and 304
Marksman: Scores between 250 and 279 (affectionately known as the "pizza box" due to its shape)

While achieving a Marksman score means you passed, there are still key reasons many Marines strive to score higher:

Professional Advancement: High marksmanship scores yield points that positively impact your promotion chances. Consistently shooting Marksman—especially if you fail to improve over time—can make it harder to stand out against peers.

Graduation and Retention: Failing to achieve the minimum Marksman qualification can get a recruit dropped from training or a Marine administratively separated from the United States Marine Corps altogether.
While achieving Sharpshooter or Expert badges will earn you more bragging rights and professional points, simply qualifying as a Marksman proves you meet the baseline standard of a capable Marine

BTW, just think for a moment, if being a Marine "Marksman" qualifies you as a "poor shot", why the heck would the Marines who pride themselves as being Elite soldiers accept someone who couldn't shoot?

JohnM
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Reasonable Doubts?
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 04:18:07 PM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on June 07, 2026, 12:05:51 PM
GC--

Thanks for your question, and it is a fascinating one.

Connally: I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)

In my layman's review of the Z-film, Gov. JBC is pushed forward ~Z-295. That's my best guess of when JBC is shot.

There is an additional curiosity that the slug that slammed JBC's wrist entered through the dorsal side, or about where you would normally wear a wristwatch face. That is what Dr. Gregory said.

The problem is, that is nearly anatomically impossible, if the bullet first passed through JBC chest. Try touching the face of a wristwatch to your chest.

I don't know when JBC received his wrist wound, or from where it came.

My contention is JBC was struck from behind ~Z-295.



My contention is JBC was struck from behind ~Z-295.

At Z295 JBC is lying back in Nellie's lap.
Perhaps I'm missing something but would it be possible for you to explain, in a sensible way, how he could be shot in the back from the Sniper's Nest in the southeast corner of the 6th floor of the TSBD building while lying in Nellie's lap.
Or is it your contention that Nellie shot him? I don't really follow what you post so I'm not sure.

As for JBC's wrist injury...note that after he begins thrashing about in the limo (starting around z225), when his wrist emerges from behind the limo door it is bent at a really unnatural looking 90 degrees.
Also note that in z222 we can see the white of his shirt cuff just above the door but this disappears in z223 (because his wrist has been hit by a bullet). He then commences to thrashing around.
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