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with 'Maggie's Drawers' 3 out 10
and 3 years later he did worse.

3 out of 10 is about 1 out of 3. Oswald got Maggie's Drawers on one of his three shots in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/1963. It seems his shooting that day was in line with the proficiency he showed while in the USMC.

      You're the guy claiming that the DPD "impounded" the car. If the DPD "impounded" the car as YOU CLAIMED, I believe this would show that the DPD was interested in this car. How many times are you gonna flip-flop on YOUR "impounded" car issue?

I never claimed the DPD impounded the car. As I recall, I posed it to you as a question. If the DPD thought that car was involved in any way with the assassination, why wouldn't they have impounded it. You never offered any evidence that they did or even showed and interest in the car. Your reasoning for believing that was a getaway car is truly hairbrained.

The debate over Oswald's proficiency reminds me of a quote from the late Tim McCarver, former MLB catcher turned announcer. The other announcers were mercilessly ribbing him about how slow he was. He finally interrupted and said, "Lest folks get the wrong idea here, I was a very slow ... MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL PLAYER. In high school, I won a five-county track meet in Ohio." When I look at Oswald's Marine rifle score books, this was not Joe Average with his .22 plinker. His scores at 500 yards were astounding to me. I think the debate over whether he could have made the shots is a non-starter, especially if there were only two shots.

You're points are well taken. Oswald's scores in the USMC showed he was more than capable of making the shots that killed JFK. His score of 212 was just 2 points lower than that of Charles Whitman who two years later killed about a dozen people and wounded many more from the tower on the University of Texas campus. Whitman was much higher up than Oswald and shot people at much greater ranges than Oswald did when he killed JFK.

I missed the announcement of Tim McCarver's passing. Just this past February, I learned of the passing of Mickey Lolich who shared a moment of baseball history with McCarver. Lolich retired McCarver on a foul pop-up for the final out of the 1968 World Series. The photo of Lolich leaping into the arms of catcher Bill Freehan following the final out will live forever in the hearts and minds of long time Tiger fans such as myself.

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The pre-series hype had been all about the match-up of 31 game winner Denny McLain vs. the Cardinals Bob Gibson who had posted an ERA of 1.12, the lowest since the dead ball era. Gibson beat McLain in both of their matchups but it was Mickey Lolich who stole the thunder from both of them when he pitched his third complete game victory on just two days rest to beat Gibson in game 7.

...3 years later he lost it when he did worse

Question: Do you have a personal knowledge of Oswald's ability with a rifle?

Delgado: It has been said that he was a terrific marksman, but at the range he couldn't prove to me that he was a good shot....
Well, in Oswald's particular case it was quite funny to watch because he would get a couple of discs,
maybe out of the possible ten he would get two or three "Maggie's Drawers". This is a red flag on a long pole and
this is run from left to right on the target itself. You don't see this too often on the firing line, not the Marine firing line....

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Mr. DELGADO - "With respect to his rifle. He didn't spend as much time as the rest of us did in the armory cleaning it up.
He would, when he was told to. Otherwise, he wouldn't come out by himself to clean it."

Mr. DELGADO - "He just qualified, that's it. He wasn't as enthusiastic as the rest of us.
We all loved--liked, you know, going to the range."

Mr. DELGADO - "Right; I was in the same line. By that I mean we were on line together, the same time,
but not firing at the same position, but at the same time, and I remember seeing his. It was a pretty big joke,
because he got a lot of "Maggie's drawers," you know, a lot of misses, but he didn't give a darn."

Mr. LIEBELER - Missed the target completely?

Yawn.

Three years later, Oswald didn't intentionally get worse, it's as you quoted "he didn't give a darn" because the part of my post you purposely omitted and are obviously running away from, Oswald was court-martialled twice, spent time in the brig and at the time was just a few months away from defecting to the enemy.

Mr. DELGADO - He just qualified, that's it. He wasn't as enthusiastic as the rest of us. We all loved--liked, you know, going to the range.

BTW Capasse, it's clear that dealing with the evidence with intellectual honestly has never been a priority for you!

JohnM

That is-why witnesses are cross-examined by opposing parties and why fact finders look for corroboration.

While witnesses make errors it is exceedingly rare that two witnesses will independently make up the same wrong story about what occurred.

Witnesses can be induced to misidentify a person. But eyewitness identification of someone they do not know is not fact recollection. It is an after-event opinion that the person they saw was the same person shown to them. That is completely different than someone hearing a shot pattern or observing what happened after hearing the first shot.

You're being ridiculous. Everything the witnesses tell us is "an after-event opinion" and there is no reason to believe a witness' after-event recollection of  a shot pattern is any more reliable than their identification of a perpetrator. As the one article pointed out, the human mind does not have a video recorder. All recollections by witnesses are subject to memory fallibility. If humans perfectly remembered details, there would be unanimity of the recollections of the shot pattern. Clearly there was not.