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Oh, dear, the loop in someone's head has reached the end and is now replaying.  ::) ::) ::) Talk about a topic in which there is literally nothing further to be said - so let's say it all again.
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I noticed that too this morning. It was the Invision hosting that was in James Gordon's name, and they were completely unable to contact him. It could be that they are transitioning and it will appear back up with the old content restored - or maybe not. To be fair, although the Ed Forum has gone off a cliff dating back at least to the appointment of Sandy Larsen as a moderator, the older content would be invaluable and worth saving unless one just doesn't think the JFKA is worth discussing at all. After the appointment of Sandy, that became the worst-moderated forum I've ever seen (not just due to Sandy by any means).

I had never heard of Invision, but I just looked at their site. I spend more on golfballs than it costs to host an Invision forum (Titleist ProV1x are upwards of $50/dozen). I never understood why all these supposed JFKA heavyweights went through an agonizing exercise every year about "Oh, my God, how are we going to pay for this???" Is the market for JFKA crap so miniscule that Jimbo and Larry Hancock, et al., can't assume the burden? (My guess is, the answer is yes.)
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Recently I have been chided for having what I term "reasonable doubts" about the LNT-SBT, especially in connection to Gov. JBC and his Stetson hat.

[SNIP]

The Core Arguments The Injury: Governor Connally sustained a severely comminuted (shattered) fracture to his right radius bone, completely severing the bone and destroying the wrist's structural integrity. Medics noted that the median nerve was also damaged, leading to an instant loss of motor control and strength in his right hand.

The Physics: Holding a rigid cowboy hat (Stetson) firmly in the air requires grip strength and the use of the wrist joint. Once shattered, the hand would typically go limp, causing the hat to fall to the floor of the limousine instantly.

8)The Warren Commission's [SNIP] theorized Connally reflexively maintained the hat in his grasp or that the hat was simply trapped in his hand or lap as he was struck.

[SNIP]

The most prominent expert who explicitly used the term "highly improbable" regarding the single-bullet theory and its medical trajectory is Dr. Cyril Wecht. He was a highly renowned forensic pathologist, attorney, and former president of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences.

Dr. Cyril Wecht's Medical Critique: Dr. Wecht extensively studied the medical evidence and testified before the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA). He vehemently argued against the Warren Commission's timeline using Zapruder film frame 230.

His expert critique regarding the hat specifically centers on the following points:

The Neurological Impossibility: Dr. Wecht noted that the bullet shattered the distal end of Connally's right radius bone (wrist) and partially severed his radial nerve.

Voluntary vs. Involuntary Control: He argued that with a collapsed lung from the chest wound and a shredded wrist nerve, it is medically "incongruous" for Connally to maintain voluntary grip strength to hold up a heavy Stetson cowboy hat for 1.5 seconds after the alleged impact.

[SNIP]

The Parkland Hospital Surgeons: Doctors like Dr. Charles Gregory (who operated on Connally’s wrist) noted that the neurovascular and bone destruction from a high-velocity military round would cause immediate, catastrophic loss of function in the hand.

Independent Forensic Analysts: Over decades, secondary medical critics—such as those featured in Jim Garrison's investigative files and various independent forensic studies—concluded that the hand would immediately go limp, meaning the hat could only remain in the hand if it was involuntarily trapped or wedged against his lap rather than actively held.

[SNIP]

Gov. JBC is indisputably seen at Z-272 holding onto his Stetson hat. Even the WC assents to that. Yet, the WC contends Gov. JBC was already shot through the wrist at that point...well, that is highly improbable.

A couple follow-up points: First and foremost, we should remember that Connally himself, the guy who actually experienced the wounding, insisted he was not hit before Z229-230. After viewing the Zapruder film a few times for the WC, Connally said he was not hit before Z230. Two years later, in 1966, he was given the opportunity by LIFE magazine to study high-quality color prints of the Zapruder film under high magnification, frame by frame, and to take as much time as he felt he needed. After doing so, Connally insisted he was certain he was not hit before Z229, and he selected Z234 as the moment of the bullet's impact.

As you noted, in Z230 Connally is still holding the hat. The hat is not pinned or wedged involuntarily against his thigh but is being held by his right hand. This proves his wrist could not have been hit yet, but the SBT requires that he was hit no later than Z224, and the Zapruder film shows he was clearly hit well before Z224.

It is revealing that even the HSCA FPP majority disagreed among themselves about how long Connally could have held onto his hat after the supposed SBT hit at Z188-190 (there was a Z188-190 hit, but it was not the alleged magic bullet). They fell back on the royal dodge that there was "little empirical data" to determine "with confidence what specific reaction should be expected from this type of wound" (7 HSCA 180). Well, yeah, unless they had film of someone being shot in the right wrist ala Connally's wrist wound, or unless they actually watched someone incurring such a wound, there was indeed little empirical data, i.e., data verified by observation or experience; however, there was plenty of scientific medical data that said there was no way a person could continue to hold onto a hat with their hand after the distal end of the radius bone was shattered and after part of the radial nerve was severed, and the FPP majority surely knew it.

It is also rather revealing that in the FPP majority's reply to Dr. Wecht's dissent, they made no effort to explain how Connally could have continued to grip his hat--not one word. Wecht mocked the majority's waffling on this key point:

Wecht exhibit 6 shows JBC firmly clutching his hat. This is approximately 1.5 seconds after he is alleged to have been shot through the chest, right wrist, and into his left thigh. Indeed, the FPPR [forensic pathology panel report] states that they were surprised that although he had suffered the injury to his wrist, he did not drop his hat. The panel should not only be surprised, but incredulous. If they were not so slavishly dedicated to defending the Warren Commission report (WCR), and the previous opinions submitted by two of the panel members, Dr. James Weston and Dr. Werner Spitz, they would have interpreted this picture correctly and accepted it for what it obviously and clearly demonstrates-namely, that JBC was not struck in the chest, wrist, or thigh by CE 399, and the SBT is, therefore, indefensible. (7 HSCA 199)

In his HSCA testimony, Wecht explained why Z230 poses such a severe problem for the SBT:

Mr. PURDY. Dr. Wecht, in your opinion, could Governor Connally have incurred the damage to his wrist which is described in the medical reports and still be holding the hat as shown in this photograph?

Dr. WECHT. No, absolutely not. In F-245, which is a blowup of Zapruder frame 230, we are told under the single-bullet theory that Gov. John Connally, for a period of approximately one and a half seconds, has already been shot through the right chest with the right lung pierced and collapsed, through the right wrist, with the distal end of the radius comminuted and the radial nerve partially
severed.

I heard some vague reference to a nerve in the prior testimony, but I didn't hear the follow through discussion that I was waiting for about nerve damage. There was nerve damage, yes, to the radial nerve. And the thumb which holds this large Texas white Stetson that is required for it to be in apposition with the index or index and middle fingers to hold that hat is innervated by the radial nerve. Note in F-245 that the hat is still being held and Governor Connally is not reacting. (1 HSCA 342)


Finally, it is worth remembering that Dr. Werner Spitz, one of the FPP majority, admitted in 1975 that the back-wound bullet "penetrated the skin in a sharply upward direction" and that the bullet "traveled upwards within the body." He admitted this in his report to the Rockefeller Commission, adding that there was "no doubt" about it:

There is no doubt that the bullet which struck the President’s back penetrated the skin in a sharply upward direction, as is evident from the width of the abrasion at the lower half of the bullet wound of entrance. The term "sharply upward direction" is used because it is evident from this injury that the missile traveled upwards within the body. (Report of Werner Spitz, 4/24/75, p. 1, Rockefeller Commission papers, see https://websites.umich.edu/~ahaq/correspondence.pdf)

The wound's abrasion collar alone makes this clear, so clear that this was something Baden could not sweep under the rug, and so the FPP report acknowledges the upward trajectory of the bullet as it entered the skin and allegedly transited the neck. Baden attempted to explain this devastating fact by assuming that JFK was leaning nearly 60 degrees forward when the bullet struck (oddly, the WC's trajectory experts had to make the same erroneous assumption about the forward lean of JFK's head to make the head-shot trajectory "work").

 
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What makes you think the Smithsonian would be interested in that kind of drivel?

As a testament to how effective KGB disinformation has been on gullible people.
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Not just a technical glitch?

Supposedly they were paid up for a while.

How sad if the site went down, before it could be arranged for the Smithsonian to archive content.  ;)

What makes you think the Smithsonian would be interested in that kind of drivel?
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It is too bad "J. Kenneth McDonnald" (aka McDonald) is no longer alive, and we can't ask him.

McDonald was a highly regarded historian, writing in-house for the CIA, and using info the CIA, and the HSCA, provided to him.

McDonald never issued a correction to his statement on Shaw, and neither did the CIA.

I am not sure if McDonald also relied on OTR info, or info classified as "eyes only." Perhaps even information relayed only verbally.

All in all, I accept McDonald's work.

J. Kenneth was more likely an overworked dude (given only three weeks to examine all of the documents the CIA had given to the HSCA on the JFKA) who unfortunately relied on his overworked (skeleton crew?) staff which had probably just seen Comrade Stone's KGB-approved movie, "JFK."

Question: Did the Domestic Contacts Division write any reports that were based on Shaw's observations in other countries?

Answer: Yes, it did.

Question: How many?

Claude AI:

Eight reports were written based on Shaw's information. This occurred after Shaw was contacted by the CIA's New Orleans office in December 1948. Between 1949 and May 25, 1956, Shaw was contacted a total of thirty-six times. Six of those eight reports were "on hand" and described in a 1992 memorandum. Three concerned a trip Shaw made from March through May 1949 to the West Indies, Central America, and Northern South America, and a fourth concerned a 1951 trip to Central and South America and the Caribbean area. The reports primarily dealt with international trade matters, reflecting Shaw's expertise in that area.

A question for Benjamin "Flash-Bang-In-The-Bushes" Cole:

Do you think Shaw's voluntary "work" for the Domestic Contacts Division was a cover for his evil, evil attempts to put Fascism back into power in Itally, etc., etc., etc?

Regardless, do you think -- as overly ambitious, scandal-plagued, and revengeful Jim Garrison did until shortly after a French knock-off of a March 4, 1967, Communist-owned "Paese Sera" article was provided to him by Joan Mellen's ex-hubby in 1967 -- that Shaw masterminded the homosexual thrill-kill assassination of JFK?

(After reading the translated-into-English French version, Big Jim changed it to "The Evil, Evil, Evil CIA Did It!!!")
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Not just a technical glitch?

Supposedly they were paid up for a while.

How sad if the site went down, before it could be arranged for the Smithsonian to archive content.  ;)
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Ed Forum no more?
« Last post by Mark Ulrik on Yesterday at 09:51:49 AM »
Duncan better prepare for a surge in membership requests.

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It is too bad "J. Kenneth McDonnald" (aka McDonald) is no longer alive, and we can't ask him.

McDonald was a highly regarded historian, writing in-house for the CIA, and using info the CIA, and the HSCA, provided to him.

McDonald never issued a correction to his statement on Shaw, and neither did the CIA.

I am not sure if McDonald also relied on OTR info, or info classified as "eyes only." Perhaps even information relayed only verbally.

All in all, I accept McDonald's work.





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Am ZM--

The bullet hole in Gov. JBC's wrist bone (radius) is a biggie (see picture x-ray provided earlier).

I am a layman, but I doubt a shard from CE-399 could have done that.

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