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You need to do research on Cardinal Francis Spellman and Senator John Kennedy.

Read up on the American Friends of Vietnam, a very influential and powerful but relatively small organization which advocated for SV nationhood. Senator Kennedy was the organization's dynamo.

Famous Speech: On June 1, 1956, Senator Kennedy delivered a prominent speech at an organization conference luncheon in Washington, D.C., famously calling South Vietnam "our offspring" and asserting that the U.S. could not abandon it.

The Kennedy family, devout Catholics and ardent anti-communists, loathed and detested the communist North Vietnam.

They more or less installed he Catholic Diems to run SV.

Ngo Dinh Diem first met John F. Kennedy in 1951 in the United States.

Background of Their Meeting

The Introduction: Cardinal Francis Spellman introduced Diem to Kennedy while Diem was living in the U.S. during a period of political exile.

Their Positions: At the time, Diem was an exiled Vietnamese nationalist leader, and Kennedy was a young U.S. Congressman representing Massachusetts.

Shared Interests: Both men bonded over their shared Catholic faith and strong anti-communist political views.

The US and Kennedy did not support the 1954 Geneva accords, which they feared would lead to a commie SV in addtion to NV.

I wrote about this over at the EF-JFKA, but I am too lazy to try to go and find it.

Your comment made it sound as if JFK was instrumental in the formation of South Vietnam as a country. He had nothing to do with that. Ike's administration engineered it after the French got their butts whipped by Ho Chi Minh. He didn't want the whole country to go communist. All we managed to do was delay that outcome for two decades and it cost us the lives of over 58,000 US servicemen not to mention untold numbers of Vietnamese soldiers and civilians.
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Other than Corbett dismissing witnesses, then it’s either a 2nd gunman or it’s the TSBD shooter who fired a 1st shot that for some reason missed far LEFT of the limo.


Do you think everything every witness told us about the assassination is accurate? If not, you are dismissing witnesses too.

Have you bothered to consider that the hole in the turf near the manhole is NOT a bullet strike? There is no record of anyone saying they found a bullet in the turf on the southside of Elm St. There are people who said they HEARD that a bullet was found in the turf on the southside of Elm St.
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   OK. You were driving a "pickup truck". What were you smoking? NOBODY drives into a pothole and as a result, throws water that was inside that pothole onto the windshield of their car. You are making LN's look looney tunes.

The water wasn't thrown into the windshield. The windshield moved into the water.
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BD-

Latest news is that EF-JFKA has a nine-member moderator board (think Supreme Court, nine members. The lawyer Andrew Iler at work!).

William Niedernut, former moderator, not seen in weeks. An anti-Semitic crackpot, Niedernut considered EF-JFKA his raison d'être, so I hope he is on suicide watch somewhere.

Taking Niedernut's seat on the EF-JFKA board is Paul Cummings, who has posited the Jewish-owned Clean Towel and Linen Service of Dallas and Los Angeles played a key role in perping the JFKA. It all led back the Haganah, or something.

Evidently, the EF-JFKA is again not accepting new members, I hear from people who look for a way to apply, but cannot find one.

I am banned for life, partly as I described EF-JFKA in a negative way in this forum.

It sure is a wonder: Duncan MacRae runs this forum all by his lonesome, and has a simple device, in that he separates out current-events posturing into one part of the forum, and the JFKA-stuff into the main bar.

But then, MacRae is not so interested in controlling the narrative, as they are in the EF-JFKA.

The EF-JFKA mainbar is still flooded by blah-blah-blah on Epstein, or Trump, or the GOP and plutocrats and who knows what. Founder John Simkin seems to specialize in such commentary.

So it goes....

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What reasons for a 2nd gunman having missed the limo to the left and the bullet striking the manhole cover?
1. His scope reticle was badly misaligned off its zero?
2. The rifle suppressor device caused some significant deviation in the bullet trajectory?

Doubtful a pro shooter would have had misaligned scope and faulty suppressor.

If a 2nd shooters  mission was to shoot  out the front left tire of the limo to cause Greer to slow down/stop then why did he wait until after  2 loud shots were fired? (Tague thought it was the 2nd or 3rd loud shot when the curb was hit)

And if the 2nd shooters purpose was to get a hit on JFK, then missing a shot that far off to the left of the limo Is much more of  an anomaly  than the TSBD shooter missing a 1st shot just to the right of the limo.

If this is a planned conspiracy, then one pro shooter is all that is needed IF he was allowed to
use a high quality good scope semi auto rifle.

Even if  the master conspirator desired that Oswald should be the patsy and the pro
shooter was hired and told to use Oswald’s MC rifle, there is still NO reason why he would have missed so far left of the limo to have hit the manhole cover.

So far, I have been unable to think of a good reason why the manhole cover and the curb would have been hit by a 2nd shooter if he was a reasonably skilled shooter.

Of the solitary TSBD shooter options, an inadvertent unaimed shot preceding Z224 seems to be the only plausible alternative . However it does not fit with the 75% majority witness 1….2.3 pattern nor Tagues 2nd or 3rd shot having hit the curb.

No solution here it would seem.  :-[

The correct solution doesn't have to conform to what every witness as said. That would be impossible.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Shooter behind the fence
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 03:42:57 AM »
Well I think Harold Norman , on the 5th floor right beneath the 6th floor TSBD shooter, is the closest witness who heard 3 shots fired in less than 5 seconds. His “boom click click “ Sequence is no where near 10 secs or even 7 secs. It’s completed in less than 5 secs in every film of Norman doing it,including in the Bugliosi v Spence Mock trial.

So Houston ( er Dallas).. we got a problem ..  ???

Seriously? You think that is an accurate way to determine the timespan of the shots?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Shooter behind the fence
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 03:22:25 AM »
Well I think Harold Norman , on the 5th floor right beneath the 6th floor TSBD shooter, is the closest witness who heard 3 shots fired in less than 5 seconds. His “boom click click “ Sequence is no where near 10 secs or even 7 secs. It’s completed in less than 5 secs in every film of Norman doing it,including in the Bugliosi v Spence Mock trial.

So Houston ( er Dallas).. we got a problem ..  ???
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What reasons for a 2nd gunman having missed the limo to the left and the bullet striking the manhole cover?
1. His scope reticle was badly misaligned off its zero?
2. The rifle suppressor device caused some significant deviation in the bullet trajectory?

Doubtful a pro shooter would have had misaligned scope and faulty suppressor.

If a 2nd shooters  mission was to shoot  out the front left tire of the limo to cause Greer to slow down/stop then why did he wait until after  2 loud shots were fired? (Tague thought it was the 2nd or 3rd loud shot when the curb was hit)

And if the 2nd shooters purpose was to get a hit on JFK, then missing a shot that far off to the left of the limo Is much more of  an anomaly  than the TSBD shooter missing a 1st shot just to the right of the limo.

If this is a planned conspiracy, then one pro shooter is all that is needed IF he was allowed to
use a high quality good scope semi auto rifle.

Even if  the master conspirator desired that Oswald should be the patsy and the pro
shooter was hired and told to use Oswald’s MC rifle, there is still NO reason why he would have missed so far left of the limo to have hit the manhole cover.

So far, I have been unable to think of a good reason why the manhole cover and the curb would have been hit by a 2nd shooter if he was a reasonably skilled shooter.

Of the solitary TSBD shooter options, an inadvertent unaimed shot preceding Z224 seems to be the only plausible alternative . However it does not fit with the 75% majority witness 1….2.3 pattern nor Tagues 2nd or 3rd shot having hit the curb.

No solution here it would seem.  :-[



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    So we have all of this blood/brain matter being thrown toward the Front of the JFK Limo? So how is Officer Hargis, riding on the (L) rear of the JFK Limo allegedly riding into a cloud of this crappola that is simply falling STRAIGHT DOWN. You can Not have the blood/brain matter being thrown Forward, Backward, Sideways, and Straight Up and Then Straight Down.

Yes sir.  All you need to do is read the WC testimony of the occupants in the car.  The only person who didn't comment about being struck by head matter was Greer.  Also read the testimony of Robert Frazier regarding his description of where-in and on the car-blood and bits of brain were located front to rear and side to side.

I first read about the Connally's being overwhelmed with head matter in both "The Day Kennedy Was shot" by Jim Bishop and "The Death of a President" by William Manchester, in 1969.
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There is an “X” and a note on the 63 map of Dealey Plaza denoting the manhole cover and uprooted grass location and it has  “missed shot” Z285 written there. Somebody originally thought that Z285 was a missed shot that struck the manhole cover and then went into the grass.

That is certainly wrong if it’s the TSBD shooter because it would  be an even MORE absurd shot missing the limo To the left side and at Z285, it’s only 1.5 sec preceding Z313. Highly improbable if the rifle used was the MC rifle.

Other than Corbett dismissing witnesses, then it’s either a 2nd gunman or it’s the TSBD shooter who fired a 1st shot that for some reason missed far LEFT of the limo.

Would a 2nd gunman have missed  the entire limo that far left even if it was a shot intended to hit Greer the driver or the left front tire to cause the limo to come to a stop. ( could it be that far off due to malfunction caused by a suppressor device on the rifle  IDK)

Cannot explain the manhole cover strike / grass uprooted with the Andrew Mason
Z190-Z270-Z313 sequence.


The Tom Graves early Z124 standing up shot from TSBD is highly unlikely to have hit the manhole cover as it’s too downward an angle, and the shot supposedly buries into the asphalt.

The other LN proposed  missed 1st shots somewhere from Z140-z170 are predicated on the shot missing just RIGHT of JFK and maybe struck the street to the RIGHT side of the limo. So that does not explain a manhole cover on the left side of the limo ever being struck by any of 3 shots fired by a TSBD 6th floor shooter.

Charles idea of an unintentional accidental firing the 1st shot AS the shooter was adjusting /placing the rifle on the box platform is therefore the best LN alternative because it’s an unaimed shot. However Tague thought it was either the 2nd shot OR 3rd shot that hit curb. Opps!

One other alternative is the Dan the Man’s Z224 1st shot theory where the 3rd shot  is fired approx 2.5 sec AFTER Z313. However this one seems a little strange that the shooter was not still aiming after Z313 and just took a final unaimed no shot fired as rapidly as an MC rifle  can be operated.

The only way ANY of the above alternatives would explain the curb being hit by the bullet hitting the manhole cover requires the bullet broke up into pieces after striking the manhole cover, where some lead fragment separated completely from the copper jacket and flew across the green almost nearly horizontal to the ground, while the rest of the bullet with lead and copper jacket still joined together as a 2nd fragment that buried into the grass just a few feet away from the manhole cover.
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