JFK Assassination Forum

Because he was, and still is, absolutely sure of what he saw.
  you're the one trying to distort that

So if somebody just says he's sure he's right, that's good enough for you.

That says a lot about you.

Why don't you tell us the real reason you believe him. You are a conspiracy hobbyist and you want to believe him.

I've never said we should write of witness statements. I'm saying we need to determine if what a witness tells us can be corroborated or refuted by other evidence. In this case both Frazier and Randle are refuted by the forensic evidence because the bag was found and measured to be 38 inches long, plenty long enough to hole the 34.8 inch stock.

This is just about the most stupid statement I've seen you make so far.

You say that about most of the things I write.

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You have no evidence whatsoever that the bag found on the 6th floor ever left the TSBD, ever held a broken down rifle (an FBI export could find no markings in the bag that would be expected to be there if a broken down rifle had been in it) or that Oswald carried that bag on Friday morning. All you have are self-serving assumptions you call "forensic evidence". You do understand that with enough assumptions you can make anybody look guilty of anything, right.
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The choice seems to be whether Oswald carried one bag into the TSBD that morning and Frazier simply misjudged the length of the bag
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Frazier brought a bag about 2 feet long into the TSBD that morning which disappeared without a trace and at some other time, Oswald carried a 38 inch long bag in the TSBD which was long enough to hold the disassembled rifle and had Oswald's prints on it and fibers matching the blanket Oswald used to wrap his rifle in when it was in the Paine's garage. If you offered that choice to 100 people, you'd be lucky to find two who believed the latter.

So why don't you stop assuming and get back to us when you have some actual proof that the bag found on the 6th floor was indeed the bag Oswald was carrying (between the cup of his hand and his armpit) on Friday morning. This LN crap is getting so tiresome!

As I've told you before, the proof is in the entire body of evidence, not treating the bag as a standalone piece of evidence. The explanation that Oswald brought his rifle into the TSBD that morning in the bag Frazier saw dovetails with all the other evidence that indicates Oswald was the shooter. His rifle was the murder weapon. It had his palm print on it. It had fibers matching the shirt he wore that day on the butt plate of the rifle. The rifle was positively matched to the 3 shells in the sniper's nest and the two recovered bullets. Following the assassination, Oswald fled from his workplace, returned to his rooming house to fetch his revolver, shot and killed a cop about 45 minutes after the assassination, fled from that scene and was arrested a short time later in a theater a short distance from the scene of the cop killing with the murder weapon in his possession as well as the same two makes of bullets recovered from the dead cop's body. If you can come up with a plausible explanation for the above evidence that doesn't have Oswald as a double murderer, I'd love to hear it. I've asked that of more conspiracy hobbyists than I can count over the past 35 years and not one has even attempted to offer an alternative explanation that is the least bit plausible. It's easy to offer a plausible alternative for any one piece of evidence which is why the conspiracy hobbyists almost always resort to that ploy. It's impossible to come with a plausible explanation for the entire body of evidence other than the one the WC gave us. I'll predict right now, you won't even try. Prove me wrong.

Randle corroborates Frazier when it comes to the maximum size of the bag. Accept it and get over it!

That's nice but two people can be wrong about a detail just as easily as one can, especially when they live together and have had ample time to discuss what it is they saw. According to FBI Special Agent Bookhout's report of 11/23/63, Randle's estimate of the size of the bag was 3 feet by 6 inches. When testifying before the WC, she indicated Oswald was gripping the bag near the top with part of if folded over his grip. If Oswald's right hand was at the mid-thigh level, there would have to be about 30 inches below the grip to be almost touching the ground. if we add the 30 inches to the amount of the bag that was in his hand and the amount of the bag that was folded over, we are pretty close to 38 inches which was the length of the bag in the TSBD.

JC-

Sure, guesswork.

Larry Hancock posits LHO would not have needed US cash if he got to Mexico, by hijacking a plane from Love Field. LHO was planning a new life in Cuba.

I note that very few people suggest LHO, who was always impoverished, was simply induced by money to take some shots at JFK. Maybe so. LHO expected to get paid later, and escape, but was apprehended instead. And then murdered before he could talk.

If LHO had not encountered Tippit, who knows, maybe LHO would have escaped.

If LHO had even a simple car ride out of Dallas...there were no roadblocks set up.

Most researchers say LHO had high IQ. Was well read. Hard to believe LHO did not have, or agree to, an escape plan.

If he was going to Love Field, he was headed in the wrong direction.

Oswald could conceivably have evaded the initial manhunt, but eventually he would have been caught, even if he had made it to Mexico. He wasn't going to get away for long.

   12:35 - Officer Haygood makes HIS documented radio transmission from his motorcycle at the Elm St Curb near the Triple Underpass.

   12:35 - Inspector Sawyer arrives at the TSBD

   12:36 - Officer Harkness makes his documented radio transmission that he is bringing a witness/ Amos Euins to the TSBD.

   12:37 - Officer Harkness helps load Amos Euins into Inspector Sawyer's car in front of the TSBD.

   12:37 - Officer Haygood makes his FINAL radio transmission from his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb near the Triple Underpass.


   12:38 - Officer Harkness secures the area behind the TSBD. (This is where we see him above)

              It is physically impossible for Officer Haygood to be filmed with Officer Harkness at 12:38. At 12:38 Officer Haygood was back at his motorcycle parked at the Elm St curb. He was conducting interviews there. It is physically impossible for Officer Haygood to be in 2 different places at the same time.

 

I still have no idea why you find any of this the least bit significant.

JohnM

  you added a mark to the white jacket over the portion in doubt.
double jackets, double wallets, uh oh oswald doubles too..?