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I notice that the same hardcore CT's that endorse Markham as being a Screwball because of her positive Oswald identification, suddenly have her as being the Master of Space and Time when it comes to her time estimates!! You can't make this insanity up. Hahaha

And since by some, personal anecdotes seem to be considered as evidence, here's mine. Before I could drive I had two options to catch a bus, firstly at the bus stop on my street where a bus would come at intervals of 30 mins or 60 mins, depending on the time of day OR if I missed my local bus I would walk up to the main road where buses came along every 5-15 minutes, so in other words much like at Markham's bus stop where buses came every 10 minutes, the time we arrived at the bus stop was meaningless because it would always only be a short wait till the next bus.

JohnM

Stop it. You're making too much sense.
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The problem is Zapruder never mentions hearing any sound for a first shot, anything to cause a jiggle. He said he heard two shots not three. Wouldn't he have heard the shot that caused the first jiggle?

So you believe he heard a shot that caused a jiggle even though he said he never heard one?

His WC testimony:
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Well, as the car came in line almost--I believe it was almost in line. I was standing up here and I was shooting through a telephoto lens, which is a zoom lens and as it reached about--I imagine it was around here--I heard the first shot and I saw the President lean over and grab himself like this (holding his left chest area).
Mr. LIEBELER - Grab himself on the front of his chest?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Right---something like that. In other words, he was sitting like this and waving and then after the shot he just went like that.
Mr. LIEBELER - He was sitting upright in the car and you heard the shot and you saw the President slump over?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Leaning--leaning toward the side of Jacqueline. For a moment I thought it was, you know, like you say, "Oh, he got me," when you hear a shot--you've heard these expressions and then I saw---I don't believe the President is going to make jokes like this, but before I had a chance to organize my mind, I heard a second shot and then I saw his head opened up and the blood and everything came out and I started--I can hardly talk about it [ the witness crying].

He said he heard the shot that caused JFK to "grab himself" (the first shot he heard) and then he heard the shot that killed JFK (the second shot he heard). Two shots. But nothing about any shots prior to that.

People don't always remember things that happen. It seems odd but there were a lot of people who only remember hearing two shots when a clear majority remembered hearing three. That first shot just didn't register in their brains for whatever reason. Clint Hill is a perfect example of someone who only remembers hearing two shots. He thought JFK was hit by the first shot. This is completely inconsistent with JBC's memory of hearing a shot, feeling the next shot hit him in the back, then hearing the headshot that splattered blood and brains on him. Glen Bennett riding in the same car as Hill heard a shot while looking at the crowd on the right, then turned toward JFK in time to see the next two shots strike him. How do you explain why Hill only remembers two shots and Bennett remembers hearing three. I can't. I can only guess. But I know that is what happened.

The jiggle is a completely involuntary response. The person holding the camera cannot help but react even knowing a shot is going to be fired. Even though the shot didn't register in Zapruder's brain, he would have reacted to it. We see the same kind of jiggle at Z155 that we later see at Z227 and Z318. This is not proof positive of a shot around Z148, but it is highly probative.
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In this video of the wallet at the Tippit crime scene, the cop with the wallet is randomly waving his gun around, and without a care, even has it aimed close to the hand of the detective who is pointing something out within the wallet and then when the cop hands over the wallet, he quickly points the gun away and more towards himself.
The most likely scenario is that the wallet was being looked at legitimately and also as a bit of a show for the TV camera and thus the cop is a bit flippant with the direction of his gun, but when the civilian approaches and is given his wallet back, the cop responds correctly by diverting the aim of the gun and away from the direction of this civilian.



BTW, I posted this theory on the old Forum and Gary Mack who became a wise wizard, sent me a PM endorsing my theory.

JohnM
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I notice that the same hardcore CT's that endorse Markham as being a Screwball because of her positive Oswald identification, suddenly have her as being the Master of Space and Time when it comes to her time estimates!! You can't make this insanity up. Hahaha

And since by some, personal anecdotes seem to be considered as evidence, here's mine. Before I could drive I had two options to catch a bus, firstly at the bus stop on my street where a bus would come at intervals of 30 mins or 60 mins, depending on the time of day OR if I missed my local bus I would walk up to the main road where buses came along every 5-15 minutes, so in other words much like at Markham's bus stop where buses came every 10 minutes, the time we arrived at the bus stop was meaningless because it would always only be a short wait till the next bus.

JohnM
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Not the wallet at the Tippit crime scene again? Yawn.

Why plant a wallet then refuse to use it as evidence?? This scenario doesn't make a lick of sense, well, not to any sane rational person.

JohnM

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I'm glad I don't know the things you fantasize.

Did Tennent H. Bagley fantasize that Edward Ellis Smith was recruited by the KGB in Moscow in 1956, that CIA's spy, GRU Lt. Col. Pyotr Popov, was betrayed by a KGB mole in the CIA in January 1957, and that Yuri Nosenko was a false defector-in-place in Geneva in June 1962, sent to the CIA there (Bagley and probable mole George Kisevalter) to discredit what KGB Major Anatoly Golitsyn was telling James Angleton about penetrations of the CIA, the FBI, and the intelligence services of our NATO allies and thereby protect the aforementioned mole from being uncovered?

You've heard of Nosenko, right?

You know, the guy whom another mole in the CIA "cleared" in October 1968 via a bogus polygraph exam and a specious report, and who was, a short time later, teaching "counterintelligence" the to CIA's and the FBI's new recruits?

https://archive.org/details/SpyWarsMolesMysteriesAndDeadlyGames

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/08850607.2014.962362
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Yep, the Police tapes were synchronized with the Hertz clock at 12:30 and some CT's claim that somehow the Police tapes went out of sync by somewhere around 5 to 10 minutes in the next 3/4 of an hour, and the more desperate CT zealots claim that the Hertz clock which people set their own timepieces by was not accurate, but not one CT has ever proved that the Hertz clock was even a minute out, much less 5 or more!  :D



JohnM
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#5 makes no sense. The sound of a high powered rifle at 90 yards is going to be plenty loud. It resulted in a jiggle 7-8 frames after the second shot and another 7-8 frames after the third shot. I see no reason why it would not have caused a jiggle on the first shot.

The problem is Zapruder never mentions hearing any sound for a first shot, anything to cause a jiggle. He said he heard two shots not three. Wouldn't he have heard the shot that caused the first jiggle?

So you believe he heard a shot that caused a jiggle even though he said he never heard one?

His WC testimony:
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Well, as the car came in line almost--I believe it was almost in line. I was standing up here and I was shooting through a telephoto lens, which is a zoom lens and as it reached about--I imagine it was around here--I heard the first shot and I saw the President lean over and grab himself like this (holding his left chest area).
Mr. LIEBELER - Grab himself on the front of his chest?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Right---something like that. In other words, he was sitting like this and waving and then after the shot he just went like that.
Mr. LIEBELER - He was sitting upright in the car and you heard the shot and you saw the President slump over?
Mr. ZAPRUDER - Leaning--leaning toward the side of Jacqueline. For a moment I thought it was, you know, like you say, "Oh, he got me," when you hear a shot--you've heard these expressions and then I saw---I don't believe the President is going to make jokes like this, but before I had a chance to organize my mind, I heard a second shot and then I saw his head opened up and the blood and everything came out and I started--I can hardly talk about it [ the witness crying].

He said he heard the shot that caused JFK to "grab himself" (the first shot he heard) and then he heard the shot that killed JFK (the second shot he heard). Two shots. But nothing about any shots prior to that.




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MTG--

But what are the links between LHO and the Mob?

David Ferrie was a Marcello operative. Oswald had relatives who were in the Mafia. There is decent evidence Oswald and Ruby knew each other, and Ruby had all kinds of Mafia ties. However, I don't think the Mafia was controlling Oswald. I think the Mafia's main role was killing Oswald and aiding in the cover-up in Dallas, New Orleans, and Miami.

Senator Schweiker was correct when he said "the fingerprints of intelligence" are all around LHO.

LHO in Atsugi, then considered an asset by the KGB chief in Minsk, then meeting with KGB'ers in MC, possibly with G-2'ers in MC, and in N.O. In N.O., LHO appeared to be under CIA surveillance.

Oswald was an intelligence operative, at the very least. He was definitely working in intelligence in the Marine Corps. I think it's obvious he was a false defector. 

On the Mob side, Lee Harvey Oswald’s uncle in New Orleans was Charles "Dutz" Murret. But there is no indication LHO became "mobbed up." There is no history of LHO running Mob errands, smuggling for the Mob, etc.

Murret, plus Ferrie and Ruby. But, yes, I agree that he was not a Mafia asset.

Blakey was a smart guy, but he was also a lifelong mob-hunter, the author of the RICO act. Do you think that biased Blakey?

But remember that Blakey completely changed his mind about possible CIA involvement in 2014, after he learned how badly the CIA had misled the HSCA. See his 2014 statement “The HSCA and the CIA: The View from the Top."

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But wait, Ruby didn't get the job done until Oswald had been in custody and under intense interrogation for hours and hours. If Ruby had shot Oswald on Friday night, when he had an opportunity, we might at least have something to talk about. But he didn't.

This is what happens when you deign to try to engage on the evidence.

Ruby started stalking Oswald on Friday night. Gee, why do you suppose he did that? He was supposed to shoot Oswald on Friday night when Oswald was talking with reporters. He was in the room and had a gun on him, but he backed out. Later, he tried to warn the DPD that Oswald would be killed, but they ignored him. The HSCA concluded that Ruby lied about his whereabouts that weekend, lied about how he entered the basement, and lied about why he killed Oswald. The HSCA's polygraph experts found indications that Ruby was lying on his polygraph when he denied aiding Oswald in the assassination:

In fact, the reactions to the preceding question--(Did you assist Oswald in the assassination?)--showed the largest valid GSR [galvanic skin response] reaction in test series No. 1. In addition, there is a constant suppression of breathing and a rise in blood pressure at the time of this crucial relevant question. From this test, it appeared to the panel that Ruby was possibly lying when answering "no" to the question, "Did you assist Oswald in the assassination?" This is contrary to Herndon's opinion that Ruby was truthful when answering that question. (8 HSCA 217-218)

Ruby was a nervous wreck before he heard that Oswald had died. He was visibly relieved when he heard the news of Oswald's death. Clearly, Ruby was worried about the consequences if Oswald lived.

Two documents released in 2017 reveal that Ruby knew about the assassination in advance and that he was in Dealey Plaza during the shooting. The documents reveal that shortly before the shooting, Ruby invited a man named Bob Vanderslice to watch JFK’s motorcade with him and to “watch the fireworks.” Ruby did not know that Vanderslice was an informant for the Intelligence Division of the Dallas office of the Internal Revenue Service (IRS). When Vanderslice saw news reports in early 1977 that the HSCA was going to reinvestigate the JFK assassination, he decided he should tell his IRS contact about the incident, and he did so in February.

The following month, March 1977, the chief of the Dallas IRS Intelligence Division sent a memo about Vanderslice’s account to the Dallas FBI office. An FBI agent from the Dallas FBI office interviewed the IRS agent who had spoken with Vanderslice. The Dallas FBI office then sent a detailed report on the matter to FBI HQ. Here is part of the Dallas FBI report on the incident:

Vanderslice told him [Vanderslice’s Intelligence Division contact] that on the morning of the assassination, Jack Ruby called him on the telephone and asked him if he would like to go to the Presidential Parade with him, and if he would like to “watch the fireworks.” Vanderslice said that he was with Jack Ruby and standing at the corner of the Postal Annex Building facing the Texas School Book Depository building at the time of the shooting. Immediately after the shooting, Ruby left and headed toward the area of the Dallas Morning News building, without saying anything to him.

The Dallas FBI report noted that the IRS agent said Vanderslice was a reliable informant. The report also noted that Vanderslice’s undercover work involved gathering info on the “criminal element” in Dallas, and that he had known one of Jack Ruby’s nightclub strippers.




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Not all of us have your psychic power to know what JBC's brain is doing in moving his arm there.  Even JBC himself didn't know. He thought it was because he was turning before he was hit by the bullet he felt. But maybe he didn't have your gift.

I don't need psychic power to figure that JBC was reacting to his right arm being struck in the wrist when his arm suddenly flipped up in the air at precisely the same instant JFK's arms suddenly flipped up in reaction to having been hit by the same bullet that struck JBC's wrist. All I need to do is apply common sense to figure out the obvious reason for this.
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