JFK Assassination Forum

If I actually thought the KGB were capable of all you believe, I would salute them, brush up on my pigeon Russian, and await their complete takeover with unbridled enthusiasm. Alas, my experiences in Belarus more strongly suggest they are pretty much the same bureaucratic clucks one finds at every level of government everywhere. They apparently have been successful, however, in convincing some folks like you that they are Super Boogeymen. Oh, well, I suppose there are folks in Russia who think the same about the CIA. Just the crap I have to go through with Langley to receive my paltry monthly stipend tells me any Super Boogeymen are long gone. I actually had to send an email directly to The Donald last week after Langley shorted me $50 without explanation.

Dear FPR,

The proof is staring you in the face every time Donald J. Trump looks into the camera.

Do you agree with him that the Democrats are to blame for Jan 6?

-- Tom

So you don't believe in UFOs? Given your worldview, I'm not surprised. I take it you are unaware of all the released files, including U.S. Navy videos, that prove UFOs exist and cannot be manmade. I take it you are also unaware of all the former military and federal officials who have come forward with information that confirms that UFOs exist and cannot be manmade.

But, of course, since the U.S. Government has not officially publicly acknowledged that UFOs are real and are not manmade, and since all major government agencies continue to deny that UFOs exist, you reflexively assume that UFOs are either manmade or nonexistent.

I dare you to watch two recent documentaries on UFOs, both available on Amazon Prime: The Phenomenon (released in 2020) and The Program (released in 2024).

The Phenomenon
https://www.primevideo.com/detail/0TRGFOHOLA10DORESUTK8QL4K1/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r

The Program
https://www.primevideo.com/detail/0FBQAS5V99JW8KUUR66PBMVGJM/ref=atv_dp_share_cu_r

FYI, my wife saw a UFO in the early 1990s in Utah, and I knew a military air traffic controller (ATC) who told me that he and other ATCs tracked UFOs flying at speeds and doing maneuvers that were far beyond the capabilities of our most advanced fighter jets. When I worked in military intelligence, one of our collection planes was buzzed by a UFO for 10-15 minutes. Several friends of mine were on that plane and told me all about it. They were very shaken by the experience.

Oh, poor Michael. You are such a tedious, humorless crank, with your head full of Mormon apologetics, utterly wacky JFKA beliefs and God knows what else, and your knee-jerk assumptions about what everyone else believes. My "worldview." BWAHAHA! Flesh it out for me, willya?

For reasons I don’t need to explain to you, I have been immersed – immersed – in ufology since 1958. I can actually remember Donald Keyhoe’s famed appearance on the Armstrong Circle Theater on January 22, 1958. I was at one time a MUFON state section director and in routine contact with Walt Andrus. I was in attendance at the famed 1989 MUFON conference in Vegas, where all hell broke loose. I knew crazy William Cooper and wacky Wendelle Stevens. I made an offer to George Knapp to fund an investigation of Bab Lazar when Mr. Area 51 first surfaced with his tales of alien craft. I’ve corresponded with distinctly non-wacky Jerome Clark, author of the UFO Encyclopedia. I had dinner two weeks ago with attorney Peter Gersten, who handled the Cash-Landrum case and is one of my closest friends.

There is nothing I don’t know about ufology. NOTHING – no personality, no case, no theory.

More to the point, I had a close-up (50-100 yards) encounter in 1971 in the company of an arch-skeptic who just about wet his knickers. As many such encounters do, it had a puzzling “psychic” component. There is no question in my mind that this was not a military craft or anything else susceptible to a mundane explanation.

I “don’t believe in UFOs,” you say? What is this inane statement even supposed to mean? It’s the sort of nonsensical statement only a crank and complete UFO neophyte like you would make.

There is a UFO phenomenon (or phenomena, as the case may be). No one in his right mind denies this. If someone says “I don’t believe there is a UFO phenomenon,” he’s simply denying reality.

What you mean – just as you mean with all of your JFKA nonsense – is more in the vein of “What? You don’t believe UFOs are ET craft like I do?” Your links, and your enthusiasm for the current UAP "disclosure" mania, tells me you are a rank amateur insofar as the UFO phenomenon is concerned.

No, I don’t believe UFOs are ET craft. Because I know way, way more than you do, I am not wedded to any particular theory of what the phenomenon may be. Few serious ufologists these days think “ET craft” is the explanation. It just doesn't fit the facts. The UFO phenomenon may or may not be “alien” in some sense, but it is far more mysterious than any facile explanation like “ET craft.”

What I saw, close-up, looked like a craft. Do I think it was? No, at least not in any conventional sense of a nuts-and-bolts craft. Moreover, I believe the UFO phenomenon is part-and-parcel of a much broader spectrum of phenomena loosely categorized as "paranormal" or "anomalous" - some of which I have also personally experienced and written about.

Unlike cranks like you, I can live with ambiguity and uncertainty in all areas of my life where ambiguity and uncertainty are inevitable – including the JFKA, the UFO phenomenon, religion and much else. I don’t need some “answer” that I can cling to like Linus' security blanket and use to shout down everyone who disagrees with me.

Thank you for once again making an utter fool of yourself and exposing to the world what a pathetic, insecure crank you are. But you are a hoot in your own way - I'll grant you that. If you had any self-awareness of what a hoot you are, you'd be far more tolerable.

Why would I have mentioned that? It's not what the thread is about. I can understand why YOU would mention that, because you are one-note broken record whose psychology spans several of my five categories.

Those who favor elaborate conspiracy theories are inevitably either in category #3, and thus need certain conspirators in order for the JFKA to have the monumental historical and ideological significance they attach to it, or category #4, and thus favor an elaborate, multi-faceted conspiracy because it's simply more fun as a jigsaw puzzle. In both cases, of course, there is considerable overlap with my category #5 - but this is usually fairly obvious and makes those in categories #3 and 4 somewhat more entertaining than they would otherwise be.

I have several little axioms I have developed over the years that guide my forays into the various species of weirdness. One I developed after extensive interactions with Young Earth Creationists, who insist the creation is approximately 6,500 years old. My axiom is, "You don't REALLY believe that. An assortment of social and psychological pressures may have caused you to say you believe that, and at some superficial level you may have even have convinced yourself you believe that, but you don't REALLY believe that. Sorry, but no sane person REALLY believes that." Another, closely related, which I've stated previously here, is, "Just because someone is intelligent, educated, articulate, successful, and seems reasonable about most things, do not assume that there is not some corner of his mind where he is almost COMPLETELY WHACKED and capable of convincing himself he believes utter nonsense about some pet topic." I have other useful axioms I could share with you - indeed, you in particular - but I am saving them for the forthcoming The Sayings of Chairman Lance.

What is kind of depressing to me about the JFKA research community is that pretty much no one seems to have any fun. It's all so grimly serious - very reminiscent of religious debates. Believe me, the Catholics, Southern Baptists, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses do not regard each other with benign tolerance and realize that the whole enterprise of attempting to explain a deity in human terms is fundamentally absurd and, well ... a hoot. Ditto with the JFKA, or at least that's how it should be. At this stage, there's never going to be a breakthrough, something that changes the verdict of history. There just isn't. That's the reality. There will always be the LN narrative and 5,000 "Where the hell does THIS fit?" puzzle pieces that don't mesh perfectly. Your KGB* stuff, even if it once had a kernel of truth (which my best estimate is that it didn't), has become a comical obsession that has turned you into a tedious crank. Fortunately for you, there are those of us, good-natured and guided by our little axioms, who can see this and find it just part and parcel of what is the goofy Monty Python skit called "JFKA research."

*Now the SVR/FSB. BWAHAHA! 

Dear FPR,

What's so "fun" about learning how your "impotent KGB* in benign USSR / Russia" made disinformation hay** from the anomaly-replete JFKA, and in so doing, helped set up the conditions for its installing The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx") as our "president" in 2017 and 2025, and  . . . gag me with a KGB spoon . . . being surrounded by oodles and gobs of highly intelligent but nevertheless zombified by Mark Lane and Oliver Stone and James DiEugenio "useful idiots" in the process?

*Today's SVR and FSB

**You know, like "We live in an evil, evil Military Industrial Intelligence-Community Complex Deep State" -- that sort of thing? (Of course we do now, with The Traitorous Orange Bird -- rhymes with "Xxxx" -- and Stephen Miller and his ilk in power.)

-- Tom

Dear FPR,

You forgot to mention that a big difference between Lone Gunman Advocates and KGB-encouraged, tinfoil-hat Conspiracy Theorists is that the latter require oodles and gobs of evil, evil "Deep State" bad guys for the planning, the "patsy-ing," the planting of evidence, the shooting, the getting-away, the altering of all of the Dealey Plaza films and photos, the altering of all of the Bethesda photos and x-rays, and the all-important (and evidently ongoing!!!) cover up.

-- Tom

Why would I have mentioned that? It's not what the thread is about. I can understand why YOU would mention that, because you are one-note broken record whose psychology spans several of my five categories.

Those who favor elaborate conspiracy theories are inevitably either in category #3, and thus need certain conspirators in order for the JFKA to have the monumental historical and ideological significance they attach to it, or category #4, and thus favor an elaborate, multi-faceted conspiracy because it's simply more fun as a jigsaw puzzle. In both cases, of course, there is considerable overlap with my category #5 - but this is usually fairly obvious and makes those in categories #3 and 4 somewhat more entertaining than they would otherwise be.

I have several little axioms I have developed over the years that guide my forays into the various species of weirdness. One I developed after extensive interactions with Young Earth Creationists, who insist the creation is approximately 6,500 years old. My axiom is, "You don't REALLY believe that. An assortment of social and psychological pressures may have caused you to say you believe that, and at some superficial level you may have even have convinced yourself you believe that, but you don't REALLY believe that. Sorry, but no sane person REALLY believes that." Another, closely related, which I've stated previously here, is, "Just because someone is intelligent, educated, articulate, successful, and seems reasonable about most things, do not assume that there is not some corner of his mind where he is almost COMPLETELY WHACKED and capable of convincing himself he believes utter nonsense about some pet topic." I have other useful axioms I could share with you - indeed, you in particular - but I am saving them for the forthcoming The Sayings of Chairman Lance.

What is kind of depressing to me about the JFKA research community is that pretty much no one seems to have any fun. It's all so grimly serious - very reminiscent of religious debates. Believe me, the Catholics, Southern Baptists, Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses do not regard each other with benign tolerance and realize that the whole enterprise of attempting to explain a deity in human terms is fundamentally absurd and, well ... a hoot. Ditto with the JFKA, or at least that's how it should be. At this stage, there's never going to be a breakthrough, something that changes the verdict of history. There just isn't. That's the reality. There will always be the LN narrative and 5,000 "Where the hell does THIS fit?" puzzle pieces that don't mesh perfectly. Your KGB* stuff, even if it once had a kernel of truth (which my best estimate is that it didn't), has become a comical obsession that has turned you into a tedious crank. Fortunately for you, there are those of us, good-natured and guided by our little axioms, who can see this and find it just part and parcel of what is the goofy Monty Python skit called "JFKA research."

*Now the SVR/FSB. BWAHAHA! 

Yes, you did mention ideologies. We think alike!

I did?

I suspect a second gunsel on Nov. 22, due to the cadence of shots that struck JFK and JBC. (Z-295 and Z-313). The GK smoke-and-bang show suggests another participant as well. The recent Kirk assassination, and the incredible close-miss Trump assassination attempt, destroy suggestions that only a skilled marksman could hit JFK on Nov. 22. Rank amateurs are dangerous, and from greater distances than seen in Dealey Plaza.

We know ad nauseam what you suspect.

Flash-bang and dorsal side of the wrist.