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The only problem is Governor Connally heard a shot before Z-223 that missed. Connally was an avid hunter and knew it was a rifle shot.
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That would put the car about a car length before - 

So that white area in her “arm” just happens to match the white area behind her “arm”?



That would put the car about a car length before

If that idea is what happened, then: it takes a little time for a thought to form in the brain. The limo was still moving in the meantime.



So that white area in her “arm” just happens to match the white area behind her “arm?

It is called overexposure. Here’s a photo that shows the concept. It’s the full moon rising as photographed through the branches of a dogwood tree. The moon appears to be part of the limb. When actuality the moon is about 240,000 miles behind the limb.




If you watch the moving image (as the movie film is designed to be displayed) you might be able to see that the white area appears to be some white pants moving in the crowd beyond Linda Willis. Typically, the blurry still frames images “magically” become a much clearer moving image when displayed as a movie.
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I believe that Linda was trying to support her daddy’s claim. If she actually did remember being inline with a sign, I suggest that it was the Thornton sign.
That would put the car about a car length before - 


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You asked for a frame showing the pointing. Sadly a lot of the enlarged crops of still frames from a movie film do seem like Rorschach blots. Especially if you aren’t looking at the right area of the image. Here is one of those frames I provided earlier with an outline of Linda pointing included:


So that white area in her “arm” just happens to match the white area behind her “arm”?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Steve M. Galbraith on January 11, 2026, 08:17:42 PM »
You have now blessed us with four separate posts in response to my two-liner. I'm flattered, I guess. In the context of his investigation of The Donald, at least, better-informed minds than mine have used the term partisan hack in reference to Jacko. "Highly politically motivated and influenced," to put it in more statesmanlike terms. TDS and Trump Cultism seem to have turned more than one previously rational person into a partisan hack. I will cheerfully apply the same term to any number of Trump Cultists if this will assuage your fury.

Alas, when I reappeared here I allotted myself exactly one week, which has expired to the very minute. In that time, I have stirred the pot with 55 posts and reached the coveted 1,000-post milestone. Thank you for your kind attention, you've been a lovely audience. I now return to the Factoid Buster Cave, to emerge at such time, if any, as another factoid like the supposed Gerhart sighting of Oswald captures my attention. I am pleased to have at least dented an LN factoid like the "early missed shot" for a change (and even introduced my favorite conspiracy theory!).

Carry on.
You are trying to reason with someone who thinks the Soviet Union won the Cold War. The nation built on the Marxist-Leninist idea of a command economy, no private property, one party state and a dictatorship of the proletariat was victorious. And the liberal democratic capitalism - that would be us - lost. Even though the Soviet Union no longer exists. The country that won. Poof, vanished. Apparently they faked their collapse and disappearance.

Hell, even Oswald recognized that it was a failure. He told everyone about it. While he was also supposedly a KGB agent or asset. Yes, the same guy who was saying it was a slave state, a failure of true Marxism was also working for them. But he was instructed to say this. His criticism of Marxist-Leninism was really evidence that he supported it. Yes he did.





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   Why would someone fix their position via an object/Stemmons Sign that was diagonal to them? There's plenty of Landmarks almost directly across from her on the (N) side of Elm St to use for a pretty firm position fix. Makes me believe she is unsure and fears being shown to be incorrect.
Because the Stemmons sign was in line with JFK when the first shot sounded.  The other landmarks  were not in her line of sight when looking at JFK. 
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The car was always there but the ladies in front are blocking most of it.
The first image below is from the above photo gallery and you can see some of the car next to the lady with the folded arms and you can see the roof a little bit to her right.
I believe the car to our left is directly in front of this car and as can be seen the perspective angle relatively shortens the length and when approximately sized, fits well within the block of obscuring ladies.



Royell's Car on the extreme left and a car directly behind, shows that the car in the above image was behind Royell's car.



In this Couch frame, the end of the car is a good match compared to the folded arm lady and the roof section as compared to the ladies in Wiegman is a similar height.



JohnM

   No hocus-pocus, altering, etc, going on with the Couch still frame posted above. The shorter guy alleged to be Lovelady, is wearing a LIGHT Colored jacket. Lovelady was wearing a DARK RED plaid shirt. That is Not Lovelady.
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There is no mystery as to whom the two white men were that Baker saw by the rear elevators because these two men were identified by Vicki Adams.
Adams testifies that she hit the first floor about 60 seconds after the shooting and that she interacted with Shelley and Lovelady, who were in that area. Seconds later Baker and Truly arrive in the same area, where Baker sees the two white men, who can only be Shelley and Lovelady.
As Royell indicates, it is physically impossible for Gloria to make it back to the front steps, have the interaction with Lovelady and then for Shelley and Lovelady to be filmed well down the Elm Street Ext. around 20 - 25 seconds after the shooting. It is physically impossible.
Those who blindly accept Kamp's identification of Lovelady have to ignore this impossibility.
They have to ignore the affidavits of Shelley and Lovelady which make no mention of a trip along the Elm Street Ext., hanging around the railroad yard then entering through the west door.
They have to ignore Lovelady's next two statements to the FBI, in which he insists both he and Shelley rushed to the area where the limo had sped away from.
And Shelley's statement about accompanying police officers to the railroad yard and staying there for 10 minutes.
And the testimony of both Shelley and Lovelady that they stayed on the front steps for at least three minutes before Gloria came up.
And that more than three minutes after the shooting they saw Baker and Truly still outside the TSBD building!
They have to ignore the Baker/Truly time trials, the Darnell footage and the testimony of Vicki Adams.

On top of everything they ignore, they then have to invent a scenario for which there is not a scrap of evidence - that both Shelley and Lovelady ran out to the "little, old island" immediately after the shooting where they both ran into Gloria!!

They do all this rather than question the validity of Bart Kamp's highly dubious 'Lovelady' image.

   Which begs the question as to where did these 2 Guys come from in order to put them in the position of heading down the Elm St Extension only 20 seconds after the Kill Shot? These 2 Guys got out of their "getaway" car parked alongside the Island, and were moving down the Elm St Ext behind DPD Officer Smith. They were "shadowing" Officer Smith. They did Not want Smith running into their 6th Floor accomplice(s) that would be using the "wide open" Huge Gates to exit the TSBD.
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Good summation Lance. There is only one answer to the JFK assassination, and the first paragraph sums it up. 

Additionally, the WC had two different experts testifying about dry firing. You may have already read this article but, Dr E Forest Chapaman wrote a good article on the CE 543 dry firing subject and published it in the New American magazine decades ago. I am not sure why you want to cycle the action with ammo but to dry fire the carcano, the bolt is a cock on opening type, and it is only required to raise and lower the bolt handle to recock it.

The trajectory analysis, wound analysis, and recovered bullet and fragments only support one shooter armed with a carcano. The final sentence summing up the assassination only need be “the media influenced the witnesses into inflating the number of reported shots.” That is a fact that was stated in the conclusions of the Warren Commission, the HSCA, and the HSCA Sound Analysis Report. 

WC Conclusion: "The eyewitness testimony may be subconsciously colored by the extensive publicity given the conclusion that three shots were fired"

HSCA Conclusion: "The committee believed that the witnesses memories and testimony on the number, direction, and timing of the shots may have
been substantially influenced by the intervening publicity concerning the events of November 22 1963"   HSCA Final Report- pg 87

HSCA Sound Analysis Conclusion:  The buildings around the Plaza caused strong reverberations, or echoes, that followed the initial sound by from 0 .5 to 1 .5 sec . While these reflections caused no confusion to our listeners, who were prepared and expected to hear them, they may well have inflated the number of shots reported by the suprised witnesses during the assassination .  HSCA Earwitness Analysis Report, pgs 135-137

 

Simply put it can be proven that LHO fired just two shots, and that was the end of the story. The rest is just interesting minutia.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Lance Payette on January 11, 2026, 04:31:35 PM »
Dear Fancy Prancer Rants,

Jack Smith is a registered independent with a long history of prosecuting both Republicans and Democrats.

-- Tom

You have now blessed us with four separate posts in response to my two-liner. I'm flattered, I guess. In the context of his investigation of The Donald, at least, better-informed minds than mine have used the term partisan hack in reference to Jacko. "Highly politically motivated and influenced," to put it in more statesmanlike terms. TDS and Trump Cultism seem to have turned more than one previously rational person into a partisan hack. I will cheerfully apply the same term to any number of Trump Cultists if this will assuage your fury.

Alas, when I reappeared here I allotted myself exactly one week, which has expired to the very minute. In that time, I have stirred the pot with 55 posts and reached the coveted 1,000-post milestone. Thank you for your kind attention, you've been a lovely audience. I now return to the Factoid Buster Cave, to emerge at such time, if any, as another factoid like the supposed Gerhart sighting of Oswald captures my attention. I am pleased to have at least dented an LN factoid like the "early missed shot" for a change (and even introduced my favorite conspiracy theory!).

Carry on.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Royell Storing on January 11, 2026, 04:28:01 PM »
The difficulty of being Me in today's America is that I am neither a foaming-at-the-mouth Trump Cultist nor in the grip of near-terminal TDS. Indeed, I would barely qualify as "partisan" at all - nearly left-wing on some issues, nearly right-wing on others, and don't care at all about lots of them. As previously stated, I voted for Obama twice, Trump twice and didn't vote at all last time. I voted for Dubya once and Kerry once. Pretty solid non-fanatic credentials it seems to Me.

I thus retain my ability to think critically and rationally, free of the cultist allegiances that would require me to have a knee-jerk, cult-approved position on every issue. You, of course, are in the grip of near-terminal TDS. What you have to say on every issue is as predictable as the sunrise. I could write your posts for you, just as I could write the posts of your Trump Cult opponents. You folks live in echo chambers where your dubious authority figures tell you what to think and reinforce your own paranoia.

When The Donald first surfaced as a candidate, I was enthusiastic and my wife was a budding Trump Cultist. Because we are rational folks, the scales have gradually fallen from our eyes. We support many of his policies, and I still chalk up some of his shtick to an act, but he clearly has more than one screw loose and is somewhat frightening and potentially dangerous at an Armageddon-threatening level. The country would be far better served by someone with similar policies who didn't have several screws loose.

Events like Jan. 6th can be viewed rationally or from the perspective of TDS or Trump Cultism. Rationally, it was a peaceful gathering that escalated to a Monty Python skit and then to a seriously frightening event for a host of contributing factors. The term "insurrection" simply doesn't fit. Certainly, Trump partisanism was a major factor in the event - but I don't see it as the cause of the escalation. How it could rationally be laid at the feet of Trump in any sense other than "his claims of election fraud were certainly a motivation, and his supporters tend to be fanatics" escapes me.

Jack Smith is a partisan hack, simple as that. I would suppose this was the reason the GOP was disinclined to have him testify publicly - i.e., the not-unreasonable concern that he would use this stage for partisan hackmanship. Probably he should have been allowed to testify publicly, so this was arguably an error in judgment by the partisan hack Representatives, but such is the state of cultism that prevails in the country today.

In my quiet little Arizona town that is mostly still living in 1958, no one even seems to talk about this stuff; it literally never even comes up. If I am surrounded by Trump Cultists and TDS sufferers, they are the quietest, most peaceful bunch you can imagine. When I read the rants of Trump Cultists and TDS sufferers, the phrase "Get a life" always springs to mind. Once someone has revealed himself to be a Trump Cultist or TDS Sufferer, I must say it colors my perspective on their JFKA-related posts.

It's rather humorous, is it not, that TG repeatedly uses the term "rants" in relation to my posts. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. If the phrase "mindless rant" did not exist, we'd have to invent it just for Tom. Always - always, always, always - the posts of Trump Cultists and TDS Sufferers tell you far more about them than anything else. But they never see this ... because they are Trump Cultists and TDS Sufferers!

    You let guys such as Smith, or any member of the Biden Crime Family testify in an, "open hearing", and it will be "cut up" and then used as a propaganda tool by the Fake News Media. The "cut up" job that CBS "60 Minutes" did with the Harris interview is proof positive of this.   
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