JFK Assassination Forum

Where did JC  hold his hat upside with his right hand if JC had his left hand gripping his lower right ankle as the green shirt guy in the  photo?

I am not suggesting that JBC held his ankle. He had the side of the door to lean his leg against.  My stand-in found he couldn’t hold a turn to the right without having something to hold his right leg in. The natural position in the floor mounted seat - at least for a male - is not to have the legs together.  We found that, by turning right and holding the right leg the left leg was in that position naturally.
 

Maybe  have the green shirt guy hold a Stetson hat upside down and try some other position and post that or make another drawing for those of us trying to imagine it in our minds.

The position of the hat has nothing to do with a shot going to the left side.

And if possible show the position that JC s body was in during the Z frames from 270-275  and make a diagram of the trajectory of this 2nd shot   because I’m having a problem envisioning how the bullet traversed thru JCs back, exited his chest , and was aligned to go thru JCs right wrist without going thru his hat (since it’s still being held upside down).

The trajectory from the SN through JBC is not a straight line at z271-272. For a bullet from the SN at z271, the path from the entry wound location to the exit wound location requires a bit of a deflection to the right

The forceful impact in the back that JBC felt means there was a sudden change in momentum, which is consistent with a sudden change in direction caused by the bullet impacting the fifth rib.  The impact caused the fifth rib to fracture at the spine which suggests that the rib was pushed in significantly before the bullet penetrated through the rib destroying the last 10 cm of the rib before exiting.

If one turns around to the rear as JBC did from z228-z270, the torso twists. The shoulders turn more than the upper chest and the upper chest turns more that the lower ribs and hips.  As a result, the location of the right nipple in relation to the shoulders changes. Just try turning like that and watch the location of the right nipple move right. 

If the bullet had not been deflected right, it would have passed through the right lung, which it did not do.  It followed the fifth rib initially around the pleural cavity and then passed through the last 10 cm of rib driving shards of rib into the pleural cavity and lower  lung.

And after that 270ish bullet exited JCs wrist bone where did THAT bullet go?

According to the evidence of Tague it fragmented and at least one of the fragments went up over the windshield and struck the curb near him and deflected up to strike his cheek.  Other fragments struck the windshield and frame. Greer said he sensed a concussion effect on the second shot as if something impacted in the car.  He did not notice such an effect on the other two shots.

I’d need to see an experiment conducted with some more replica human models before I would believe that a Z193 1st shot CE 399 bullet bypassing the mass of JCs body , hence traveling probably still at 1500ft/sec (or even greater) ) would have come to a complete stop in JCs left thigh.

I agree. But I am not suggesting that it came to a stop in his thigh.

And what about the % of missing metal from the nose of CE 399? Theres no evidence ( as far as WC that is) of any flakes of metal found in JCs thigh muscle or thigh bone, so…

There was no metal missing from the nose of CE399.  There was a small piece of lead in his thigh but that would have been from the butt end.

Perhaps if the Z 193 1st shot shot was a tangential strike to the flesh part of JCs inner  left thigh and then continued on, the bullet could have gone thru the front seat and into the front floorboard. If that’s the case then that might explain missing % of metal from the nose of CE 399.

EXCEPT..  how can that be possible if the WC conclusion is correct that the missing % of metal from the nose of CE 399 was due to having passed thru JCs wrist bone.?

Again, there was no metal missing from the nose of CE399.

Where did JC  hold his hat upside with his right hand if JC had his left hand gripping his lower right ankle as the green shirt guy in the  photo?

The left  hand is taking up the space between the legs, and if the right leg and thigh are close to the right door , I don’t see where there’s enough room for the right hand  to hold the  Stetson Hat upside down.

Maybe  have the green shirt guy hold a Stetson hat upside down and try some other position and post that or make another drawing for those of us trying to imagine it in our minds.

And if possible show the position that JC s body was in during the Z frames from 270-275  and make a diagram of the trajectory of this 2nd shot   because I’m having a problem envisioning how the bullet traversed thru JCs back, exited his chest , and was aligned to go thru JCs right wrist without going thru his hat (since it’s still being held upside down).

And after that 270ish bullet exited JCs wrist bone where did THAT bullet go?

I’d need to see an experiment conducted with some more replica human models before I would believe that a Z193 1st shot CE 399 bullet bypassing the mass of JCs body , hence traveling probably still at 1500ft/sec (or even greater) ) would have come to a complete stop in JCs left thigh.

And what about the % of missing metal from the nose of CE 399? Theres no evidence ( as far as WC that is) of any flakes of metal found in JCs thigh muscle or thigh bone, so….

Perhaps if the Z 193 1st shot shot was a tangential strike to the flesh part of JCs inner  left thigh and then continued on, the bullet could have gone thru the front seat and into the front floorboard. If that’s the case then that might explain missing % of metal from the nose of CE 399.

EXCEPT..  how can that be possible if the WC conclusion is correct that the missing % of metal from the nose of CE 399 was due to having passed thru JCs wrist bone.?

There's more than one car parked on the "other side of the Elm St Extension". Which car are you asking about?

The light-colored car on the other side of Elm Street Extension in Wiegman that I've been referring to all along -- the car just to the left of "Fedora-Man-On-The-Island."

D'oh.

Why does it look so strange, Royell?

Shadows?

Or is it because your "getaway car," a 1958 Pontiac Bonneville, is already parked next to the "island" and is partially overlapping it?

I don't know where you are going with this but CE399 is not pristine and JFK's head did explode.

   Of course you do Not know where I am going. Your JFK Assassination Foundation is weak. You make this obvious everyday.

If Wiegman filmed a parked car: alongside the "island," behind the traffic light, 17.5 feet long, and almost 5 feet high, just show it to me.

Dear Royell,

Why does the car parked on the other side of Elm Street Extension in Wiegman look so strange?

Shadows?

-- Tom