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I posted this on "When Was JBC Hit?".
It demonstrates what nonsense the premise of this thread is.
The observation, that JBC doesn't look injured at z248, is utter nonsense;

"I created this GiF to highlight JBC's reaction. I used z223 and z240 which represents a time gap of 1 second. A single second. Look at the difference between the two images and consider there is a single second between them:"



When I read the OP, this was going to be my response. A faulty premise will invariably lead to a faulty conclusion.

I wasn't going to go to the trouble of making a GIF, so that's a real nice contribution. Are you paying attention, Andrew Mason?
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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 12:09:30 PM »
Clint Hill actually sees JFK "grab at himself" after the first shot.
He saw the moment JFK's arms flew up and he slumped to the left.
In the "When Was JFK Hit?" thread I demonstrated that the first moment we see the beginnings of this reaction in the Z-film is z225.
It is a neuromuscular/reflex reaction to a shot passing through him at z222/223.
Altgens 6 shows Hill apparently looking directly at JFK as he begins to slump to the left. This picture is taken about one and three quarter seconds after the first shot. In three seconds from this moment JFK will be hit in the head as Hill tries to get onto the limo.

Hill is fully aware of the first shot and JFK being hit by it (the idea that Hill and all the other Secret Service agents on board just ignore a missed first shot is too silly to contemplate).
He is about to react to it.
So, let's forget about first shots at z160 or earlier because we would have to believe that Hill (in Altgens 6) stood there gawking at JFK for over five seconds at least.
Even in Andrew's scenario of z190, Hill stands there for over three and a half seconds and still shows no sign of reacting.
It's an eternity in such an intense situation.
When shots are fired people react very quickly.




Landis, Hickey and Ready have all spun around to their right and rear as a result of the first shot, just as they reported doing so.
Hill is staring at JFK who is reacting to being shot.
Was the first shot 3.5 seconds before this pic was taken, or 1.75 seconds?

How do you explain JBC hearing a shot and turning to look over his right shoulder, as we see him do starting at Z164, and then about 3 seconds later get hit by the single bullet if he did not hear an earlier missed shot.
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I wouldn't recommend 6 books. The WCR is all that is needed to know the truth of the JFK assassination. If one wants to deal with the myths of the JFKA, they can read Reclaiming History by Vincent Bugilosi. He does a thorough job of demolishing those myths and addressing all the objections made about the WCR, at least the ones that had been invented up to the time he wrote the book. Newer and nuttier ones are being invented all the time.

Back when I first started studying the JFKA, I bought a sampling of conspiracy books, Plausible Denial, Mafia Kingfish, and Best Evidence. What I learned from these books is that I should be more discerning in what I spend my money on.
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That picture is incorrect, you know that right? Entrance back wound was much lower as it grazed the first thoracic vertebrae. This slug went on upward to make the dent by the mirror, you know that, right? How else could the dent have been made??

The dent and the cracked windshield were made by fragments of the bullet that struck JFK's head. Not hard to figure.

Explain how your storm drain shooter could have fired a shot into JFK's back and exit from the middle of his throat. The geometry doesn't line up.
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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: The bones of the skull
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 11:52:14 AM »
Oh my goodness. You are worse than a teenager. Do you really think readers won't see through this silly, dishonest dodge?

I've stated several times now that the FPP did not touch the issue of missing frontal bone in the text of their report, but that they (1) produced several wound diagrams that show no missing frontal bone, (2) ignored McDonnel's and Angel's analyses of the skull x-rays regarding missing frontal bone, (3) ignored Angel's placement of the triangular fragment in the frontal bone, and (4) ludicrously placed the triangular fragment in the parietal bone in order to avoid having to admit that substantial frontal bone was missing.

And your teenage response is to cry "but they didn't say in their text that there was no missing frontal bone!" Producing bogus, misleading wound diagrams showing no missing frontal bone is every bit as much of an act of making a false claim as falsely saying in text that there was no missing frontal bone. Producing misleading diagrams is a form of misleading communication, especially if you purposely avoided saying that the diagrams are misleading.

If you bought a house remotely based on photos that a realtor sent you and then you found out that the photos had been photoshopped to conceal damage to the house, imagine what you would think if you confronted that realtor and they said, "Oh, hey, I never said there was no damage to the house!" Yeah, I'm sure you'd be just fine and dandy with that nonsense, right?

I would just again note that you still have not acknowledged your undeniable blunder of claiming that the FPP identified one of the skull fragments as frontal bone. There were only four skull fragments, and the FPP said in writing that they constituted the entire exit wound. They did not identify any of the fragments as frontal bone, even though the triangular fragment was "clearly frontal bone," as Dr. Angel told them and as Dr. Mantik, Dr. Chesser, and others have confirmed.

Finally, if you want to read about the FPP's conflicts with Angel and McDonnel over missing frontal bone and the placement of the triangular fragment and the Harper fragment, I again suggest that you break down and read John Hunt's famous article on the subject. Here's the link again, for your convenience:

https://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/ADemonstrableImpossibility/ADemonstrableImpossibility.htm

So you think omitting the missing frontal bone from their diagram equates to a dogged denial. <chuckle>
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I keep reminding you that you said the FPP doggedly denied there was missing frontal bone. I keep asking you for a quote that supports that claim and you keep dodging that request. Now you are claiming that is a strawman argument. That implies you are denying you ever wrote that. Sorry, but you really did write that. Just to remined you, here is the exact quote:

"the FPP doggedly denied that any bone was missing from the frontal bone".

Now if you can't find a quote to support that statement, why don't you simply admit you misspoke and overstated your case. It happens to all of us from time to time. Instead you choose to go into your Inartful Dodger act and in the process, you make yourself look quite foolish.

Oh my goodness. You are worse than a teenager. Do you really think readers won't see through this silly, dishonest dodge?

I've stated several times now that the FPP did not touch the issue of missing frontal bone in the text of their report, but that they (1) produced several wound diagrams that show no missing frontal bone, (2) ignored McDonnel's and Angel's analyses of the skull x-rays regarding missing frontal bone, (3) ignored Angel's placement of the triangular fragment in the frontal bone, and (4) ludicrously placed the triangular fragment in the parietal bone in order to avoid having to admit that substantial frontal bone was missing.

And your teenage response is to cry "but they didn't say in their text that there was no missing frontal bone!" Producing bogus, misleading wound diagrams showing no missing frontal bone is every bit as much of an act of making a false claim as falsely saying in text that there was no missing frontal bone. Producing misleading diagrams is a form of misleading communication, especially if you purposely avoided saying that the diagrams are misleading.

If you bought a house remotely based on photos that a realtor sent you and then you found out that the photos had been photoshopped to conceal damage to the house, imagine what you would think if you confronted that realtor and they said, "Oh, hey, I never said there was no damage to the house!" Yeah, I'm sure you'd be just fine and dandy with that nonsense, right?

I would just again note that you still have not acknowledged your undeniable blunder of claiming that the FPP identified one of the skull fragments as frontal bone. There were only four skull fragments, and the FPP said in writing that they constituted the entire exit wound. They did not identify any of the fragments as frontal bone, even though the triangular fragment was "clearly frontal bone," as Dr. Angel told them and as Dr. Mantik, Dr. Chesser, and others have confirmed.

Finally, if you want to read about the FPP's conflicts with Angel and McDonnel over missing frontal bone and the placement of the triangular fragment and the Harper fragment, I again suggest that you break down and read John Hunt's famous article on the subject. Here's the link again, for your convenience:

https://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/ADemonstrableImpossibility/ADemonstrableImpossibility.htm




 



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That picture is incorrect, you know that right? Entrance back wound was much lower as it grazed the first thoracic vertebrae. This slug went on upward to make the dent by the mirror, you know that, right? How else could the dent have been made??
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The HSCA concluded that JFK was killed by a conspiracy, that two gunmen were involved, that one of the shots came from the grassy knoll, and that there were four shots.

Question: On what basis did the HSCA conclude that?

Answer: A Dictabelt recording of a stick-open microphone on a three-wheeler police motorcycle miles from Dealey Plaza.
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Pretty dadgum extreme and biased. YEE-HAA!

That's because I was quoting a post from 2018. Here ya go: Walden by Henry David Thoreau. Happy now?

Not everyone, sweetie, but indeed some we could name.  ::) I'm sure Greg is an intelligent and hardworking guy who is kind to stray dogs, but in my opinion his ideas on virtually every issue are indeed lunatic fringe stuff. YMMV, and I'll bet it does.

The fact is, as I have pointed out repeatedly, there is now a VAST body of psychological and sociological literature concerning the conspiracy-prone mindset. Your continued umbrage might seem to many as though you were protesting just a wee bit too much.

Familiarity with this literature would be exceedingly helpful to a newbie in attempting to separate the wheat (e.g., Larry Hancock) from the chaff (i.e., you) in the CT literature.

I will concede: you are as fair and balanced as FOX News.  ::)

What you fail to grasp is that I am talking about methodology for a newbie. My suggestion would be for a newbie, BEFORE he (or she) dives into substantive JFKA materials, to (1) familiarize himself with the literature concerning the conspiracy-prone mindset, and (2) thoroughly acquaint himself with Oswald the actual man, not the fictional Most Interesting Man Who Ever Lived of much CT literature or the cardboard cutout who is plugged into many conspiracy theories only because "we gotta do something with him."

You just can't help yourself, can you? This thread is supposed to be a chance for people to list the top six books they would recommend to a newcomer. But, of course, you only list five books and then deluge us with more of your endless, pompous posturing that everyone who disagrees with you is part of the lunatic fringe and/or has a conspiracy-prone mindset and/or has a warped mind and/or has a form of mental illness, blah, blah, blah--after, that is, you announce that you will talk about your supposedly high IQ and academic honors if anyone asks.

I really don't think you grasp that when you bloviate like this, as you frequently, people quickly discern that you are hopelessly biased and closed minded.

I will again remind you that the ranks of people who reject your version of the shooting include medical doctors, historians, ballistics experts, former federal prosecutors, former federal investigators, forensic pathologists, physiologists, neuroscientists, firearms experts, neurologists, radiation oncologists, radiologists, physicists, etc., etc., not to mention that the last federal investigation into the assassination--the HSCA--concluded that JFK was killed by a conspiracy, that two gunmen were involved, that one of the shots came from the grassy knoll, that there were four shots, that Jack Ruby had significant Mafia ties and lied about how and why he killed Oswald, that there is credible evidence that anti-Castro Cubans were trying to frame Oswald weeks before the assassination, etc., etc.

And, just FYI, many researchers who posit a conspiracy initially believed in the lone-gunman theory. I'm one of them.

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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 10:11:00 AM »
So why doesn’t Clint Hill react to a Z150 of Z170 or a Z190 1sr shot?  John C .  argues the 1st shot missed JFK. OK so maybe since Clint  was keeping his eye on JFK and saw no movement of JFK.But  How Ciint and the other SS agents don’t hear this loud report of the rifle  fire seems improbable imo.

Or If a  Z190 shot which hits  JFK there would be some neurological response in just a 1/2 sec or less if Dans posted info is valid which would cause JFK to move earlier and thus Clint Hill seeing that earlier movement should have reacted quicker and in Altgens Z255 photo ,  One of Hills feet should be more off the running board at least.

Clint Hill actually sees JFK "grab at himself" after the first shot.
He saw the moment JFK's arms flew up and he slumped to the left.
In the "When Was JFK Hit?" thread I demonstrated that the first moment we see the beginnings of this reaction in the Z-film is z225.
It is a neuromuscular/reflex reaction to a shot passing through him at z222/223.
Altgens 6 shows Hill apparently looking directly at JFK as he begins to slump to the left. This picture is taken about one and three quarter seconds after the first shot. In three seconds from this moment JFK will be hit in the head as Hill tries to get onto the limo.

Hill is fully aware of the first shot and JFK being hit by it (the idea that Hill and all the other Secret Service agents on board just ignore a missed first shot is too silly to contemplate).
He is about to react to it.
So, let's forget about first shots at z160 or earlier because we would have to believe that Hill (in Altgens 6) stood there gawking at JFK for over five seconds at least.
Even in Andrew's scenario of z190, Hill stands there for over three and a half seconds and still shows no sign of reacting.
It's an eternity in such an intense situation.
When shots are fired people react very quickly.




Landis, Hickey and Ready have all spun around to their right and rear as a result of the first shot, just as they reported doing so.
Hill is staring at JFK who is reacting to being shot.
Was the first shot 3.5 seconds before this pic was taken, or 1.75 seconds?





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