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How could O make an upward angle shot at Ks back? Slug went on to make the dent by the mirror, above everyone's head?? How did O shoot JC through the back while he was turned looking back? How did O shoot K in the head from left rear to right front? Explain that.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by John Mytton on September 30, 2026, 07:26:17 AM »


Wiegman lying on the steps that lead to the pergola.



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"Wiegman" is definitely lying on the steps, there's a clear shadow under him and in the following GIF, he has not moved forward in relation to the sign.



And at the end he's in the process of getting up!



JohnM
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: My Expose of the JFK Assassination
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on September 30, 2026, 04:18:44 AM »
Does Jackie look "furious" to you as she smiles and waves her gun free hands at the crowd?

think it’s time to be talking about ‘JFK, Jackie & Lambchop’*, don’t you?  discuss !!

clue….. lambchop was asters*

google Lambchop photo at Love Field, you get John, Tony et. al. talking about this.  hilarious stuff from over 22 years ago!  historic !


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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Royell Storing on September 30, 2026, 01:01:22 AM »
Is it the guy I've circled in yellow?



   Wiegman circled in yellow, is Not getting up from the steps, and he is Not getting up from the ground. Why? Because he is Not a cardboard cutout. A living human body is incapable of rising from the ground as we see on the Bell Film. Just look at the straight line from the top of his hat to his lower torso. What we are seeing is Wiegman running/stumbling/falling toward the (W). Look at the grass below the Bench on the (R). Wiegman is running/stumbling/falling at this same grass level.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Royell Storing on September 30, 2026, 12:11:22 AM »
It doesn't matter what you believe.
As I've already proven, for the brief moment we see Weigman in the Bell footage he stays in exactly the same position. He does not move a single inch in any direction. Your constant insistence that he is running/stumbling along in the Bell film is utterly bizarre. As myself, Zeon and Steve have stated, Weigman is sprawled/lying across these steps and it is from this sprawled position that he filmed the Hesters. He is not running or stumbling in any way. He does not move an inch in any direction. You can keep on insisting on this falsehood but it reflects badly on you...to be honest, it's slightly embarrassing.
The close-up Steve posted could not be any clearer:



There is the suggestion he has turned around and is sitting up...nothing more than that. We know from Weigman's actual footage that he has already finished filming the Hesters by the time we see him in the Bell film. We next see him racing down the knoll in Couch and Darnell to where the Newman's are.  The image below is a crop taken from the Couch Film. Weigman is circled red. The blue line shows his movement from position A (where he was filming the hesters while sprawling/lying on the steps) to position B (where he filmed the Newmans).



      Forget what you have been repeatedly Told/Spoon Fed over the last 62+ years. Draw on your own real life experience. Nobody, repeat Nobody, gets up from the ground and appears like we see Wiegman on the Bell Film. A living Human Body can FALL to the ground like a Cardboard Cutout. A living Human Body can Not RISE from the ground like a Cardboard Cutout.  Did you look at the Morissette Couch Film I referenced earlier? The Couch still frame you posted is substandard to the Morissette Copy. 
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: How Do LNers Deal With Givens?
« Last post by Dan O'meara on September 30, 2026, 12:09:14 AM »
This is the only thing Corbett has posted that is of any significance:

"We also don't know where Oswald was during the time BRW was at the window. He could have been anywhere on the 6th floor and not have been seen by BRW, and he might have been pondering his next move if BRW had remained at the 6th floor window. He might have been contemplating whether to move to the 7th floor if BRW remained in place."

This is a significant shift from the usual Oswald-hiding-in-the-SN nonsense.
The one thing we can say with any kind of confidence is that Oswald WAS NOT in the SN...but that's not really the issue.
The issue is that it has been demonstrated, beyond any reasonable doubt, that the WC Sham fabricated and omitted key evidence in order to create the narrative that the last time Oswald was seen was on the 6th floor, near the southeast corner, the scene of the shooting.
In order to create this false narrative all testimony and statements regarding the elevator race had to be wilfully omitted as this revealed Oswald was trying to get down to the first floor with the floor-laying crew. Eddie Piper's testimony also had to be wilfully omitted as this revealed Oswald did in fact go down to the first floor and was there around 12 noon.
The numerous statements by Bonnie Ray, that he was on the 6th floor by 12 noon, also had to be omitted from the WC Report.

To replace all this first-hand testimony, the story of Givens going back up to the 6th floor and seeing Oswald there, had to be created.

The reason this new narrative had to be created was to give Oswald time to organise the SN and assemble his rifle (it took an FBI weapons expert 6 minutes to assemble the rifle). With Oswald on the first floor at 12 noon and Bonnie Ray up on the 6th floor at the same time, there was no time for Oswald to assemble the rifle in the SN before Bonnie Ray was up on the 6th floor. Because Bonnie Ray stayed up on the 6th floor for so long, there was no time for Oswald to assemble his rifle in the SN before the limo arrived in Dealey Plaza.

As Corbett speculates - Oswald could have been anywhere on the 6th floor.
He seems to be admitting that the man with the scoped, high-powered rifle spotted by Arnold Rowland might have been Oswald. However, this is more testimony that the WC Sham had to omit. The way Rowland's witness testimony was treated by the WC Sham is it's own scandal. Rowland's observation of the man with the rifle should have dictated the narrative of Oswald's whereabouts in the moments leading up to the assassination. But Rowland's testimony had to be ignored because it held a revelation far more important than the man with the rifle.
Rowland was absolutely insistent that there was a black male in the SN from around 12:15pm until a few minutes before the limo arrived in Dealey Plaza. This was more testimony that had to be ignored.

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Steve Barber on September 29, 2026, 11:45:42 PM »
   No, I do Not believe he is standing. I believe we are seeing him from his (L) side as he is running/stumbling toward the (W). What we are seeing is like watching a football player running/stumbling across the TV screen from the R-To-The-L. Instead of carrying a football, Wiegman is grasping his camera. He is moving (W), but at the same time he is looking Back over his (L) shoulder. Not looking where he was going probably is responsible for the stumbling. As the assassination images become clearer, JFK Assassination Urban Legends such as this one are being dismissed

 Hi Royell, 

 I noticed that in the segment showing Wiegman lying of the steps is enough to show that he is stationary on the steps. He still had his camera to his eye in the very first Bell film frame he appears in, then brings it away from his eye/face in the next frame.  HE can clearly be seen beginning to rise before Bell stopped filming that sequence, and Mrs. Hester also rises up at the same time as Wiegman shows signs of getting up.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Steve Barber on September 29, 2026, 11:39:54 PM »
It doesn't matter what you believe.
As I've already proven, for the brief moment we see Weigman in the Bell footage he stays in exactly the same position. He does not move a single inch in any direction. Your constant insistence that he is running/stumbling along in the Bell film is utterly bizarre. As myself, Zeon and Steve have stated, Weigman is sprawled/lying across these steps and it is from this sprawled position that he filmed the Hesters. He is not running or stumbling in any way. He does not move an inch in any direction. You can keep on insisting on this falsehood but it reflects badly on you...to be honest, it's slightly embarrassing.
The close-up Steve posted could not be any clearer:



There is the suggestion he has turned around and is sitting up...nothing more than that. We know from Weigman's actual footage that he has already finished filming the Hesters by the time we see him in the Bell film. We next see him racing down the knoll in Couch and Darnell to where the Newman's are.  The image below is a crop taken from the Couch Film. Weigman is circled red. The blue line shows his movement from position A (where he was filming the hesters while sprawling/lying on the steps) to position B (where he filmed the Newmans).



Hi Dan,

 I was just watching the SFM copy of Bell that I have, and I tried to post a GIF of just the frames showing Wiegman, but it's too small (just under a second in length) and the GIF program I have won't even accept it since it's so small.  However, I can watch it repeat play on my VLC player, and Wiegman and Mrs. Hester are both just starting to get up at the same, exact time before the clip ends.  I also noticed that the first frame that shows Wiegman, he still has the camera at his eye before he moves it.

 What we need is John Mytton here to work his magic and create a GIF of Wiegman in the Bell film.

I noticed in the Couch film that Wiegman's position is just a few feet from the steps as soon as Couch pans to the left, showing Wiegman running, and from the looks of it, Mr. Hester has rejoined his wife, and is helping her with her shopping bags.  A large white bag, and a smaller brown(?) can be seen moving and the two dark dressed figures with the bags. 

As fast as Wiegman ran from the steps to the base of the knoll, it took him no time to reach where the Newman's are located, as the Couch film reveals.   
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Dan O'meara on September 29, 2026, 11:36:35 PM »
This simple and common sense point is somehow overlooked by those trying to push an early missed shot.
The Sniper's Perch is the arrangement of boxes supposedly used by the shooter to rest his rifle on during the shooting.
This means the boxes were arranged BEFORE the shooting.
This means the shooter had already planned out what he was going to do BEFORE the motorcade arrived.
The arrangement of boxes tell us the shooter had decided that the 'kill zone' was going to be towards the triple underpass.



This is confirmed by the testimony of Ronald Fischer.
Fischer and his work colleague, Bob Edwards, were stood directly across from the TSBD building on Elm Street waiting for the motorcade. Edwards noticed a man on the 6th floor who seemed to be in a cramped, uncomfortable position, he pointed the man out to Fischer and made a joke about him. Something about the man made an impression on Fischer:

"And I looked up and I watched the man for, oh, I'd say, 10 or 15 seconds. It was until the first car came around the corner of Houston and Main. And, then, when that car did come around the corner, I took my attention off of the man in the window and started watching the parade. The man held my attention for 10 or 15 seconds, because he appeared uncomfortable for one, and, secondly, he wasn't watching-uh---he didn't look like he was watching for the parade. He looked like he was looking down toward the Trinity River and the triple underpass down at the end-toward the end of Ell Street. And--uh--all the time I watched him, he never moved his head, he never-he never moved anything. Just was there transfixed."

This is pretty much what the shooter was staring "transfixed" at:



The shooter knew exactly what he was going to do before the motorcade entered Dealey Plaza.
The area circled in the pic above is where the limo is moving almost directly away from his position. There would have been minimal lateral movement of the target.
He would have been aware of the oak tree and would have taken his first shot once the limo had moved into the open space as shown above. Once the limo had cleared the oak tree he would have had more than enough time to get multiple shots off while the target was in the 'kill zone'.
The idea that he was on his feet trying to shoot through an impossible gap in the half-closed window in an area where he had nowhere to stand is plain stupid.
He knew when he was going to take the first shot before the motorcade reached Dealey Plaza.
That he was going to wait until the limo was in the kill zone circled above is yet even more evidence that the first shot was taken at z222/z223.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: How Do LNers Deal With Givens?
« Last post by John Corbett on September 29, 2026, 11:30:42 PM »
What nonsense. There is nothing that Givens said that in any way incriminates or exonerates Oswald. He is a non-factor.
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