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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on December 01, 2025, 02:13:50 AM »
and John Connally's quick head turn and peripheral glance at Nellie at Z-150, the final stage of which was captured by Croft at Z-161.

So Croft captures JBC reacting to what he immediately recognized as a high powered rifle shot, by expressing his distress at realizing that an assassination was occurring and wanting to see JFK?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on December 01, 2025, 02:01:55 AM »
Debunked nonsense.
This thread contains a staggering amount of evidence demonstrating, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that such an early shot is out of the question.
Who cares what you imagine people in the Z-film are looking at, or what they are thinking?
Do some research and provide some actual evidence to support your fantasies. It's the least a 'researcher' should do.

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

You're so full of beans I can smell you from here.

The only question is:

Does Vladimir Putin pay you, or do you do it for free?

-- Tom
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https://www.americanheritage.com/did-castro-okay-kennedy-assassination

GD--

Above is an easy read, and as I always say,

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions
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GD--

Yes, in his book, Russo says he talked with both a KGB'er and a G-2'er who said LHO had been either monitored or contacted in New Orleans by G-2'ers. Unfortunately, Russo kept the identities of the two individuals confidential, but he presented the two individuals as independently corroborating each other.

Russo, of course, notes that LHO met with KGB, G-2 assets in Minsk and Mexico City.

As you may know, researcher John Newman has posited KGB mole Bruce Solie sent LHO to Russia, and CIA'er Pete Bagley says LHO went "wittingly."

Victor Marchetti said the CIA was so riddled with KGB assets he did not now who was working for who, and that the JFKA cover-up may have been to hide that situation.

Evidently, Bruce Solie was active in CIA response to Garrison. That is interesting.

My interest in this is that for decades the JFKA research community has basically focussed on the CIA, and that is fine, they should be examined.

That has left much much less examined the KGB G-2 angle, or even the US Army intel angle.

The recent ascendance of the MAGA-Moscow-Putin angle, and the "Mossad did it" (financed by Tehran?) angles is a reminder that ideology drives the agenda and the agenda writes the JFKA narrative.

I observe the EF-JFKA is run by, and largely attracts, far-left ideologues, for example.





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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Dan O'meara on December 01, 2025, 01:01:02 AM »
JFK started a quick look to his left in Z-144, one second after Oswald's first, missing-everything shot at "Z-124," by which time Secret Service Agent Glen Bennett in the passenger's side back seat of the follow-up car is already leaning over to his right to see if JFK is okay.

Debunked nonsense.
This thread contains a staggering amount of evidence demonstrating, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that such an early shot is out of the question.
Who cares what you imagine people in the Z-film are looking at, or what they are thinking?
Do some research and provide some actual evidence to support your fantasies. It's the least a 'researcher' should do.
 
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You made up a bunch of nonsense about BRW and his lunch; that was most obviously not true. Now you follow that up with this fabricated tripe because you cannot even read what Mr. Shelley told the WC? If you cannot understand what he stated to them, it is only because you do not want too. No one can help you with that.

You need to calm down, Jack.
Let's deal with your wild, unsubstantiated claims first -

1] Quote what nonsense I have "made up" about Williams and his lunch.
By that I mean quote the actual words I have posted, not your raving opinion.

2] Quote what "fabricated tripe" I have posted.
Again, quote my actual words, not your unhinged ravings.

Shelley told the WC he 'thought' that at one time he might have said to someone that Givens was eating fried chicken, but he wasn't sure. He even had to ask Givens, he was so unsure.
But Givens is clear - he left his lunch in the domino room when he arrived at work and ate his sandwich outside the building at lunch time.
That's a fact.
What are you going to do now? Have another breakdown?

I've dealt with you before, Jack.
You usually last at least a couple of posts before you start ranting.
So, take a breath and decide whether you want to discuss this rationally or whether you are just going full rant mode from the start.

Check Givens' testimony. He states he had his sandwich outside the building.
Do you agree that a partially eaten piece of chicken was found on top of the Sniper's Nest?
Now...here's the big one - Do you agree that a small lunch sack was also found on top of the Sniper's Nest?

Let's have a rational discussion, Jack. Like two adults.



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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on November 30, 2025, 10:23:48 PM »
You have no idea what the wives or husbands were looking at. Jackie is staring Gov Connally smack in the face, and her husband is gagging right next to her.

Dear Comrade Storing,

You really sound like an idiot sometimes.

Read my lips:

JFK started turning his head quickly to his left at Z-143 to see if Jackie was okay after he heard what he hoped wasn't a shot at "Z-124."

Connally started turning his head quickly to his left at Z-150 to see if Nellie was okay after hearing what he knew was a rifle shot at "Z-124."

Your lame concentration on "Jackie's looking at Connally while JFK is gagging next to her" has to do with what she did post-Z222; Charles and I are talking about what JFK and Connally did about four seconds before Z-222.

D'oh!!!


-- Tom

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Royell Storing on November 30, 2025, 09:53:53 PM »
  You have no idea what the wives or husbands were looking at. Jackie is staring Gov Connally smack in the face, and her husband is gagging right next to her. Stop with the mind reading. You're not good at it.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on November 30, 2025, 09:36:31 PM »
The above is hilarious. How about contemplating that the wives actually comforted their dead/injured husbands?

Dear Comrade Storing,

What a stupid thing to say.

Jackie and Nellie attended to their husbands after they were wounded by CE-399 around Z-222.

BFD.

Pardon my German.

What Charles and I are talking about are JFK's head turn and quick glance in the direction of Jackie at Z-143, and John Connally's quick head turn and peripheral glance at Nellie at Z-150, the final stage of which was captured by Croft at Z-161.

D'oh!

I contend that they're consciously checking to see if their wives are okay after the loud "firecracker" or "backfire" at "Z-124."

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What JFK Assassination images are you looking at? Oh, that's right. Giving JFK Assassination Images due consideration would be actually examining the "Evidence". Can't do that. No way.

Yet another humdinger from you.

Question:

Have you never looked the Zapruder film frame-by-frame or watched the following clip?



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How is it that these ‘startled and traumatized” people were able to accurately recall the number of shots

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