JFK Assassination Forum

Your theory depends on 8 highly improbable to impossible events. It is not even close to being plausible. There is no talking any sense into you. You will continue to delude yourself no matter how many problems with your goofball theory are pointed out to you.

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over an over again and expecting a different result. It appears no matter how many problems I point out to you, you will continue with your silly rationalizations to convince yourself the impossible occurred. There is no point in me bothering to dissuade you from your fantasy. It is a joke and the joke is on you.

   Nice attempted dodge. There is a "Lost Bullet".

Hello Everyone,

This is my first post - apologies if this topic has been broached before, I was unable to find it using the search feature.

I have followed and tracked the statements recorded by David Lifton and Doug Horne for many years.  I feel I have stitched together the - admittedly complex and at times hard to believe - timeline of events concerning the casket(s) and body from Parkland to Bethesda.

The one piece of the puzzle which I cannot fit is based on an "off the record" conversation between David Lifton and Richard Lipsey where no recording equipment was permitted or used.

Lipsey stated - and Lifton directly quoted him - that JFK's left arm was raised like a "Heil Hitler salute" when he saw the body at Bethesda.  Furthermore, Lipsey said that "Humes had to jump on the body and lower it with his knee."

Lifton has discussed this in a few online videos including this series -

Lifton proceeded to hypothesise why the left arm - and only the left arm - was raised.  He implied that this was due to storage conditions for the body aboard the luggage compartment of Air Force 1.

Irrespective of how it was raised, if we take Lipsey at his word, we assume the arm was as raised as it was, I have a major problem.

What I know to be true is that the body was delivered inside a "zipped body bag" inside a "shipping casket" by helicopter, then black cadillac hearse to the back door of the Bethesday morgue at rougly 6:35pm.

Looking at both the zipped body bag (as cofirmed by Paul O'Connor at Bethesday) and the grey shipping casket (as confirmed by Jim Jenkins at Bethesda) I can't physically see how JFK's arm could have been raised at all.  There just isn't the room inside the body bag NOR the casket.

I would warmly welcome this great community to challenge me on this and I am open to being convinced that this is simply a false statement from Lipsey - he is the only person as far as I know that stated this. Equally, I'm open to being told that the body bags have plenty of room for a raised arm - but logistically, I'm sceptical.

I'm looking forward to your comments.

Thank you.

On that we can agree.I wouldn't call the 6.5mm Carcano routine. It wasn't a commonly used round, but there was nothing exceptional about it. It falls right between the WWII standard .30-06 (7.62mm) round and the current NATO round of 5.56mm now in use.
Simply pointing out that people think shooting victims get thrown forcefully by a gunshot like they see in the movies.

Both bullets recovered were 6.5mm Carcano bullets. So were the only three recovered shells. There is no evidence of any other bullet fired in Dealey Plaza that day.