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The Trask image shows Jackie was holding white flowers.



These video frames confirms Jackie holding the white flowers as she and John are welcomed into the Limo.




Here's John and Jackie entering the Limo through John's side and we can see no one on the other side with a departing gift of a horrifying disembodied Lamb Chop puppets head. BTW why would anyone give the First Lady a cheap knockoff Lamb Chop head which doesn't even include the arms or legs or even a torso?
We also can see Jackie's right hand isn't holding anything and her left arm is cradling two bunches of flowers, so where was she hiding Lamb Chop, stuffed in her jacket?
Then after Jackie sits down she looks down to where we just saw where the white flowers would be, and "gee willikers" she is then seen holding the white flowers with her right hand which effectively rules out a Lamb Chop Groupie running up and placing the gruesome Puppet head into Jackie's accessible left hand.
All events from multiple camera angles follow a logical narrative and there is no need for a Houdini like "watch me pull a rabbit Lamb Chop out of my hat"



And finally here's the frame where there is apparently Lamb Chop's face and we can see within the red box the two flowers highlighted above from when Jackie is entering the Limo, and the left "eyebrow" in the yellow box is simply the space between two flowers.





JohnM
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TC:

AI Overview       

       President Lyndon B. Johnson persuaded Chief Justice Earl Warren to chair the assassination commission by arguing that a swift, authoritative investigation was necessary to prevent public panic and a potential nuclear war. Johnson claimed that rumors of Soviet or Cuban involvement could provoke a war killing millions of Americans.Key Details of the

Conversation:The War Argument: Warren originally refused to serve, stating it was improper for a Chief Justice to engage in non-judicial work. Johnson argued that a chaotic investigation or multiple Congressional probes could worsen international relations and potentially lead to a nuclear conflict involving 60 million deaths, according to reports from Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara.

"Patriotic Duty": Johnson appealed to Warren's patriotism, insisting he was the only one who could provide credibility and stop "wild conspiracy stories" that could threaten national security.

The Breakdown: Warren recounted that Johnson called him to the White House, described the fears of international fallout (including reports on Soviet leader Nikita Khrushchev and Cuban leader Fidel Castro), and that the President cried, asking Warren to serve as a matter of duty.

The Threat Analysis: Johnson wanted to ensure the public believed the assassin, Lee Harvey Oswald, acted alone, rather than as an agent of a foreign power, which could trigger a military response.

Following these arguments, which brought up the potential for war and the need to unify the country, Warren reluctantly agreed to lead the commission.

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There are recorded telephone conversations of LBJ to this effect. LBJ had a similar conversation with Sen Richard Russell.

The above marching orders of LBJ are pretty well known, and not controversial.

Here is a recorded conversation between Russell and LBJ:


LBJ: Dick...it has already been announced and you can serve with anybody for the good of America and this is a question that has a good many more ramifications than on the surface and we've got to take this out of the arena where they're testifying that Khrushchev and Castro did this and did that and kicking us into a war that can kill 40 million Americans in an hour.

Russell: I have never...

LBJ: You're my man on that commission. And you're going to do it. And don't tell me what you can do and what you can't, because I can't arrest you and I'm not going to put the FBI on you, but you're goddammed sure going to serve. I'll tell you that.

Russell: Mr. President, you ought to have told me you was gonna name me.

LBJ: I told you. I told you today I was gonna name the chief justice when I called you.

Russell: You did not...

LBJ: I did...

Russell: You didn't tell me you was gonna name him...

LBJ: I told you I was gonna name Warren and you said it would be better to name Harlan.

Russell: Well you ought not to be so persuasive.

LBJ: Well, I think I ought to.

Russell: I think you did wrong getting Warren and I know damned well you did wrong in getting me. But we'll both do the best we can.

LBJ: No. I think that's what you'll do. That's the kind of American both of you are. Good night.


https://americanradioworks.publicradio.org/features/prestapes/b4.html

 
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I conclude LHO has confederates based upon my observation Gov. JBC was shot at ~Z-295.

No wonder you reached a FUBAR conclusion. You started with a FUBAR premise.
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Connally: I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)

That happens ~Z-295.

WRONG!!! It started over 3 seconds earlier.
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I have reasonable doubts JBC was shot through the chest ~Z-223, but after that executed a 180-degree turn in his seat to check on JFK.

Keep the silliness coming. We've had over 62 years of it. We can take a bit more.
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In addition, I have reasonable doubts JBC was shot through the wrist at Z-223 by a large slug, that "tumbled" (WC version) through his wrist, shattered bone, but that JBC is seen gripping his Stetson at Z-275 without apparent injury. Huh? This does not hold water.

Why would you expect him to let go of his Stetson?
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Thereafter, after tumbling through JBC's wrist, then CE-399 untumbled and made a small round hole entering JBC's pant leg, and burrowed into his leg. The WC version. Really?

OK, so the slug was removed from JBC in surgery (says JBC) but then ends up on the floor by elevators away from the surgery room. This despite well-known hospital regulations that all bullet wounds are reported to police and evidence retained. Hospital employee Tomlinson finds the CE-399 slug inexplicably lying on the floor, and gives it to OP Wright, hospital administrator and former police chief.

The bullet was turned over to the Secret Service.
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Wright says the Parkland Hospital slug had a pointy head, like most 30.06 slugs. A former cop said that.

Here we go again. Relying on fallible eyewitness recollections instead of the bullet that was turned over to the Secret Service and positively identified by the FBI to have been fired by Oswald's rifle to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world. CE399 was the only bullet found at Parkland.
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The WC had a mandate:

Repeating the same lie over and over again doesn't make it more credible. It just makes you look foolish. But you should be used to that by now.
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Determine an LN leftie-loser-loner Marxist acted alone. LBJ told Richard Russell, and Earl Warren, he wanted no results that might trigger a nuke war. Reasonable enough concern.

Either you made that up or you are repeating something somebody else made up.
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Did LBJ suspect the Mafia, US-based right-wingers or US-intel types? Mossad?

Obviously not. He suspected G2 or KGB. He had good reasons.

It's amazing the things you have convinced yourself of that aren't supported by a single piece of credible evidence. Only imagination and speculation.
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I conclude LHO has confederates based upon my observation Gov. JBC was shot at ~Z-295.

Connally: I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)

That happens ~Z-295.

I have reasonable doubts JBC was shot through the chest ~Z-223, but after that executed a 180-degree turn in his seat to check on JFK.

In addition, I have reasonable doubts JBC was shot through the wrist at Z-223 by a large slug, that "tumbled" (WC version) through his wrist, shattered bone, but that JBC is seen gripping his Stetson at Z-275 without apparent injury. Huh? This does not hold water.

Thereafter, after tumbling through JBC's wrist, then CE-399 untumbled and made a small round hole entering JBC's pant leg, and burrowed into his leg. The WC version. Really?

OK, so the slug was removed from JBC in surgery (says JBC) but then ends up on the floor by elevators away from the surgery room. This despite well-known hospital regulations that all bullet wounds are reported to police and evidence retained. Hospital employee Tomlinson finds the CE-399 slug inexplicably lying on the floor, and gives it to OP Wright, hospital administrator and former police chief.

Wright says the Parkland Hospital slug had a pointy head, like most 30.06 slugs. A former cop said that.

The WC had a mandate: Determine an LN leftie-loser-loner Marxist acted alone. LBJ told Richard Russell, and Earl Warren, he wanted no results that might trigger a nuke war. Reasonable enough concern.

Did LBJ suspect the Mafia, US-based right-wingers or US-intel types? Mossad?

Obviously not. He suspected G2 or KGB. He had good reasons.
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Agreed.  I'm just saying there was no actual time that Oswald was supposed to be transferred; only that it was going to be after 10 AM.

Had Ruby not needed to wire money via Western Union to one of his dancers, he probably would have seen Oswald peacefully transferred on TV from his apartment.
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Anyone planning to kill Oswald would take that to mean he needed to be in the garage by 10 AM if he wanted to kill Oswald. Otherwise, he could miss his chance, Oswald would have been transferred to the county jail, stood trial, been convicted, sentenced to death, been spared by SCOTUS in 1972 and he might still be doing time in the Texas state penitentiary.

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Anyone planning to kill Oswald would take that to mean he needed to be in the garage by 10 AM if he wanted to kill Oswald

Agreed.  I'm just saying there was no actual time that Oswald was supposed to be transferred; only that it was going to be after 10 AM.
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  My fault. SA Hill.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK Videos
« Last post by David Von Pein on Yesterday at 03:15:25 AM »


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Progress Zeon!  All very reasonable points.

You are beginning to realize that there is no way the evidence can fit a first shot miss.  However, I would not agree that JFK's reaction is delayed. It is rather difficult to accept that JFK is not reacting between z193 and before z224:



Neither JFK nor JBC had a delayed reaction. They both reacted at the same time to being hit by the same shot.
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JBC's reaction was not to being hit by it in the back/armpit. So his reaction will be delayed because he has to process the significance of the sound, realize that the President may have been hit by a rifle shot and begin to turn around to catch sight of the President.

Total BS. It's not even good BS.[uote]

Dan's first shot SBT scenario might be more persuasive if there was a reasonable explanation for JBC being absolutely sure that he was not hit in the back/armpit by the first shot - and if there was cogent evidence of a third shot miss. Also, the shot had to be a bit earlier than z224. 

 

A second shot SBT perfectly fits with the Z-film and the medical evidence. JBC was directly in line with the bullet exiting JFK's throat. It simply could not have missed him. Your goofy drawings do not change that simple fact.
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I didn't avoid the image evidence. I told you that I could see the pareidolic "face" at 29:30. Alas for you, neither I nor pretty much anyone else who has looked at this pareidolic face thinks it looks like our beloved Lamb Chop. Actually, at first blush I thought the image posted by Jack White looked more like Lamb Chop than your pareidolic flower face, It took me about 30 seconds to realize "Wait a minute, that's the purse of a woman on the sidewalk."

Bugiloisi (BOO! HISS!) says the following in his endnotes in Reclaiming History (BOO! HISS!):

Jean Hill took a lot of ribbing for telling reporters in a national TV interview shortly after the shooting that President and Mrs. Kennedy were looking at a little white dog on the seat between them as the car came abreast of Hill’s position. In later years, conspiracy theorists tried to restore her credibility by claiming that photographs taken at Love Field show that Mrs. Kennedy had been given a white, stuffed-toy version of the famous Sheri Lewis TV puppet, Lamb Chop. The claim, however, was based on poor-quality images posted on the Internet. High-quality images show that what critics thought was a Lamb Chop toy was, in fact, a bouquet of white asters. (Trask, That Day in Dallas , p.29).

I don't have the Trask book, but if you can find it take a look at page 29 and see if it clears up this non-mystery for you.

  Thanks for posting that page 29 photo.  I think that SA Greer carried a gun. I can Not see SA Greer's gun on your page 29 photo. Do you think that SA Greer had his gun on him? The page 29 photo has nothing to do with the 29:30 Lamb Chop Image.
  You guys continue wanting to direct this discussion toward anything but the actual 29:30 Lamb Chop Image. All I continually get is: (1) Where did this Lamb Chop come from?, (2) How did this Lamb Chop get inside the JFK Limo? and, (3) "run out the clock" endless Dodging. Just tell this Forum what YOU SEE at 29:30.  Or, if you believe this 29:30 Lamb Chop Image is a "planted/altered image", just put on your Big Boy Pants and say so. I do Not see the Lamb Chop Image as being "PAREIDOLIA". I do believe that legitimately can be argued with respect to "Badge Man". That I know of, this Lamb Chop Image has not been played with. The Badge Man Image required Hokey Pokey to produce that image. That is not necessary to see the 29:30 Lamb Chop Image.
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