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Thanks for your collegial comments.

Some quickies:

1. LHO may have brought the rifle into the TSBD earlier, as in overnight, or in parts. The 11/22 bag, as seen Wesley's Frazier's car, does seem a little small.

2. There are memos from Hoover 11/24 that the JFKA perp is in custody. LBJ was also loath to fully explore LHO's links, and told Earl Warren so. The Katzenbach memo.

AI-generated: "Yes, the U.S. Ambassador to Mexico in 1963, Thomas C. Mann, had immediate and significant knowledge of Lee Harvey Oswald's suspicious activities in Mexico City (trying to get Soviet/Cuban visas), suggesting ties or at least awareness of Oswald's interactions with Soviet/Cuban contacts that linked to the assassination, but was told to stay quiet; Oswald's Mexico City trip involved alleged phone calls, potential impersonation, and links to KGB assassin Kostikov, all part of a complex intelligence situation where the CIA was monitoring him, creating deep secrecy and questions about who knew what about Oswald's Mexico City dealings."

As I recall, Ambassador Mann lost his job over this matter. I think it is fair to say LHO's foreign connections were downplayed by the WC, and then largely overlooked by the HSCA (which was Mafia-obsessed under Robert Blakely, or CIA-obsessed on the part of some staffers).

Now, usually left-wing ideologues say this was all a clever plot to cover up US security agency and globalist-capitalist warmonger management and involvement in the JFKA.

Victor Marchetti offered that the CIA was covering-up intensive KGB infiltration of the CIA.

To me, it suggest that leads linking LHO to G2 or KGB were not followed up as much as they should have been.

As stated, my read on the Z-film is that there had to be a second gunsel somewhere behind to JFK limo, and also likely someone behind the GK smoke-and-bang show.

OK, were the LHO accomplices G2-affiliated? No one knows.

My guess is G2 and KGB are more likely than CIA or US security agencies.

Alpha 66 is interesting also.

 
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Royell steered me to a Couch clip which is the best quality I've come across:



I cropped and blew up the two men:



There is a hint of something on the shirt in this image that may be a pattern but I wouldn't have an idea how to get it to stand out.
Maybe someone who knows what they're doing can have a go.

   This Couch Film still frame is taking place roughly 20 seconds after the kill shot. There's no way Shelley and Lovelady could have talked with Calvery and then began walking down the Elm St Ext in only 20 seconds. The 2 guys we see have just exited their "getaway" car. 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on December 16, 2025, 03:08:43 AM »
There's a huge difference between hearing something to your right or behind you. That's ground level. How many eyewitnesses claimed they heard something from up high? Like six stories high?

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

Confusing post.

Not unlike the confusing echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza when former Marine sharpshooter Lee Harvey Oswald fired a (missing-everything) shot at "Z-124" and two much easier follow-up shaots at Z-222 and Z-313.

D'oh!

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Royell Storing on December 16, 2025, 03:00:05 AM »
Dear Sonderführer Storing,

Some witnesses were evidently better situated in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza to be able to accurately locate the general direction of the first shot.

In Rosemary Willis' case, perhaps not only her general location but the fact that she was running -- and the direction she was running -- had something to do with it.

D'oh!

-- Tom

  There's a huge difference between hearing something to your (R) or Behind you. That's ground level. How many eyewitnesses claimed they heard something from up high? Like 6 stories high?
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I am not familiar with an "ice bullet" itself or the weapon(s) that possibly fire one.

Perhaps you should look into it, Sonderführer Storing.

It's either that, or they just plum missed.

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on December 16, 2025, 01:24:53 AM »
  "...hardest to locate"? "....echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza"?  Those quotes defeat your personal observation/opinions regarding the direction that you believe eyewitnesses were looking. You just shot yourself in the foot, and you don't even know it.

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

Some witnesses were evidently better situated in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza to be able to accurately locate the general direction of the first shot.

In Rosemary Willis' case, perhaps not only her general location but the fact that she was running -- and the direction she was running -- had something to do with it.

D'oh!

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on December 16, 2025, 12:33:17 AM »
I am not sure why you think that Roselle and Scearce's speculations on how difficult it might be to recognize source direction of a gunshot sound are of any value.  They even admit that this comment was speculative.

The fact is that human brains rely on both ears to determine sound source. The brain detects time differences between the arrival of a sound wave at each ear to determine lateral position of the source.  Our ability to detect that a sound is coming from behind instead of the front is facilitated by the shape of our ears.  Here is the Wikipedia page on Sound Localization and here is a paper dealing with experiments on people that may be of interest.  I expect that ability to determine direction of sound is an important survival mechanism that has been highly conserved over millions of years.

The problem with detecting an actual source arises when there are nearby reflective surfaces that cause multiple wave fronts to arrive at the ears at slightly different times. Nevertheless, most witnesses, particularly those near the corner of Elm and Houston, had little difficulty in determining the direction of the source. For example, Dearie Cabell instinctively looked directly up from where she was facing (which was to her right toward the right front seat) and saw the rifle in the 6th floor window as they were already making the turn.  She said (7 H 486):

Mrs. CABELL.. I heard the shot, and without having to turn my head, I jerked my head up.
Mr. HUBERT. Why did you do that?
Mrs. CABELL. Because I heard the direction from which the shot came, and I just jerked my head up.
Mr. HUBERT. What did you see?
Mrs. CABELL. I saw a projection out of one of those windows. Those windows on the sixth floor are in groups of twos.
Mr. HUBERT. In which window did you see the projection?
Mrs. CABELL. I have always been a little confused about that, but I think it was the first window.

https://www.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=3572034979706767&set=g.553546571932211

In five studies of earwitnesses' shot locations, the choice "other than the TSBD or the Grassy Knoll" ranged from about 5% in one study (by Stuard Galanor; 111 witnesses), 14% in two studies (by John McAdams, 112, and Josiah Thompson, 75) 26% (by the HSCA, 75), and 50% (in a study by Joel Grant, 104).
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gus Russo's View on JFKA
« Last post by Ben McKenna on December 16, 2025, 12:19:13 AM »
After the shooting Oswald is winging it, wandering around Dallas with no purpose. It all seemed so last second.

Exactly how how Joseph Milteer said it would happen...

The soldier was one of Oswald's handlers. Oswald was their target. He had no confederates, only handlers.
I don't understand why everyone thinks he was some kind of cosmopolitan international James Bond.


On Nov. 9, 1963, 13 days before the Kennedy assassination, Milteer had a lengthy conversation in a Miami, FL apartment
with a childhood friend, Willie Somersett, in the course of which Milteer told Somersett about a plot
that was afoot to assassinate JFK. Unknown to Milteer, Somersett, a secret informant for local Miami
police, was surreptitiously tape‐recording the conversation. In that conversation Milteer confided that the killing of Kennedy “was in the working;” that the president could be killed “From an office building with a high‐powered rifle;” that the rifle could be “disassembled” to get it into the building; and that “They will pick up somebody within hours
afterward, if anything like that would happen, just to throw the public off.”

Joseph Milteer stopped by the soldier's house in Mississippi in November of 1973, exactly 10 years after the assassination. They drank a few shots of whiskey and discussed the Citizen's Council. Four months later in February 1974 he was fatally injured in a "camping stove accident".
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Tom Graves on December 16, 2025, 12:16:43 AM »
I can't get past her hawk-like bill.

I can't get past your obtuseness.
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One of the men in the photo in my article was a very powerful Sicilian mob boss who's family controlled vice on the Mississippi Gulf Coast from the 1920's to the 1970's. He was a lieutenant in the organization until his uncle died in the early 70's. He took over the organization and brought about reform. He was vehemently opposed to the cocaine trade and deplored cheating. He purged Dixie mafia elements who were involved with drugs and human trafficking. To put it in perspective, Mickey Gillich (Kingpin of the Dixie Mafia) had to pay him protection money (pizzo) because the Italian mob controlled  Mississippi Coast gambling activities, alcohol sales, cigarette sales, and even pinball machines. He attended Catholic mass every Sunday.

What does any of that have to do with Lee Oswald?
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