JFK Assassination Forum

Yes Tom, the car seems close to the Elm Exension's south curb, which is the "island" north curb. I'm attaching a single graphic showing the two positions along with the Wiegman frame for comparison. Which 3D render looks more like the Wiegman frame to you?

    Obviously, there is no car measuring 17.5 Feet Long and almost 5 Feet High, directly behind the Fedora Man and the Purse Lady in the Wiegman still frame above. This car is alleged to to be there, parked inside some sort of Rectangle Of Invisibility. Oh yeah, and the wearing of Red/Cyan Glasses are recommended to aid exposing the presence of this alleged car. There is no "getaway" car there. Not Yet!

John Connally heard the first shot.  Therefore, he couldn't have been hit by that first shot.
Everything he said he did after hearing the first shot is captured on the Zapruder film.  He had just turned his head from right to left, then he suddenly jerked his head back to his right, and there his head remained in that position until he appeared from behind the Stemmons Freeway sign, the sudden two-time up and down motion of his shoulders, and the grimace on his face are the first signs of him being struck by the shot that he did not hear, and then he heard the third shot which stuck President Kennedy in the head. 

 This can all be heard in the 1964 CBS program "The Warren Report", which aired the day the Warren Report was released to the public.  Governor Connally gives a detailed account of what happened as soon as the car turned onto Elm Street.

All of the eyewitnesses stated JFK reacted to the first shot. Mary Woodward places the first shot took place after Z207 when JFK faced forward again.

Witnesses in and near the car----DPD Hargis and sidewalk spectator Bill Newman both reference JBC as having been wounded by the first shot. Both Jackie and Nelly stated JBC was hit by the first shot. SA Kellerman referenced the second shot as the head shot. SA Clint Hill is a two shot witness as is SA Greer.

Here is a list of the two shot witnesses and witnesses who stated the second shot was the head shot.

Two shot witnesses

Jackie, Nelly, Bill Newman, Gayle Newman, John Chism, Faye Chism, Jean Newman, Charles Brehm, Clint Hill, DPD Chaney, DPD Hargis, Sheriff Decker, Garland Slack, James Altgens, Malcolm Summers, Charles Roberts, BR Williams, Brennan, SA Greer, A Zapruder, Marilyn Sitzman, Charles Hester, Beatrice Hester, SA Glenn Bennet, Ann Donaldson, Peggy Burney, Dolores Kounas, Dave Powers, Kenneth O’Donnell, SA Landis,  Ernest Brandt, James Powell, James Darnell, Hugh Betzner, Seth Kantor, Lupe Whitaker, F Lee Mudd, Ernest Brandt, Milton Wright, James Perry, JW foster, Clemon Johnson, Jack Franzen, Mrs Jack Franzen, Jeff Franzen, Ann Ruth Moore, Mary Hall, Toni Glover

Second shot was the headshot

James Jarmin, Harold Norman, SA Kellerman, Marilyn Willis, SA Kinney, SA Hickey, Mary Woodward, John Templin, Gov Connally, Mary Moorman, SA Emory Roberts, Hugh Aynesworth, Ruby Henderson, DPD Douglas Jackson, Jerry Kivett, Cliff Carter, Thomas Johns, June Dishong, Aurelia Alonzo, Margaret Brown, Georgia Ruth Hendrix, DPD JW Foster

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The information from the shells left on the floor in the Snipers Nest and the cartridge left in the rifle indicated that LHO only fired twice.

     Your bias has blinded you. This is sad to witness.
     The discussion was about Baker NOT PATTING Oswald down. Graves said that Baker asked Oswald if he worked at the TSBD. I replied this never happened. Officer Baker did NOT even do that. The Point Being?  Baker's display of Total Incompetence amid searching for an "active" shooter inside the TSBD.  And, Baker's incompetence can therefore also be on display in his WC Testimony. His testimony gets very blurry when he sees 2 people near the elevator, and then again with Oswald in the lunchroom and the coke bottle stuff.      Please shake yourself and wake up!

Your comment about my bias blinding me set off a irony alert.

You seem to be the only one fixated on Baker having not patted Oswald down, as if this was some sort of requirement. Cops do not pat down every person of interest they come in contact with. You keep insisting without any support that this was SOP.

For the record, Baker never said Oswald had a Coke when he saw him. Someone else wrote up a statement for Baker to sign, based upon notes taken during the interview. Baker read the report and initially refused to sign because he had never said Oswald had a Coke. He was asked to cross out that reference and initial the correction which he did before signing the corrected document.

John Connally heard the first shot.  Therefore, he couldn't have been shot by that first shot.
Everything he said he did after hearing the first shot is captured on the Zapruder film.  He had just turned his head from right to left, then he suddenly jerked his head back to his right, and there his head remained in that position until he appeared from behind the Stemmons Freeway sign, the sudden two-time up and down motion of his shoulders, and the grimace on his face are the first signs of him being struck by the shot that he did not hear, and then he heard the third shot which stuck President Kennedy in the head. 

 This can all be heard in the 1964 CBS program "The Warren Report", which aired the day the Warren Report was released to the public.  Governor Connally gives a detailed account of what happened as soon as the car turned onto Elm Street.

JBC was remarkably consistent over the years in his retelling of the assassination. There is only one problem. He seems to have tailored that story to the Z-film as opposed to the Z-film corroborating his story. In his first telling of the story to Martin Agronsky from his hospital bed, he made two significant errors. The first is that he said he turned to his left upon hearing the first shot. The Z-film clearly shows his initial turn was to the right. The second error was a bit more significant. He said that when he looked over his shoulder, he saw the President had slumped. The Z-film shows us on his first look over his right shoulder, he did not turn enough to where he could have seen JFK. He didn't turn enough to see JFK until after they had both been hit by the second shot. He did about a 180 degree turn in his seat in reaction to his devastating wound so that he was looking directly at JFK. This is significant because if his first recollection was accurate, it would have negated the SBT. If JBC had seen JFK slumped after hearing the first shot but before JBC had been hit by the second, obviously that would mean they were hit be separate shots.

Fortunately, we do have the Z-film. Without it, I doubt anyone would have figured out the SBT. Not the WC anyway. But we do have the Z-film and it shows us what JBC got right and what he got wrong in his first telling. To his credit, he realized his errors, probably after seeing the Z-film, and made the corrections before testifying to the WC. I wonder if his first false recollection was one of the reasons he never accepted the SBT. He knew he had been hit by the second shot so if JFK had been hit by the first, the SBT could not be true. In reality, JFK had not been hit by the first shot and we don't see either man react to being hit until Z226 when they both suddenly flung their arms upward.

From Baker's signed report:
     The manager said, "I know that man, he works here."

What difference does it make whether Baker asked Truly or Truly volunteered the information. Baker got the information and decided to continue up the stairs to where he believed the shots were fired from. Baker had no way of knowing the shooter was an employee.

     Your bias has blinded you. This is sad to witness.
     The discussion was about Baker NOT PATTING Oswald down. Graves said that Baker asked Oswald if he worked at the TSBD. I replied this never happened. Officer Baker did NOT even do that. The Point Being?  Baker's display of Total Incompetence amid searching for an "active" shooter inside the TSBD.  And, Baker's incompetence can therefore also be on display in his WC Testimony. His testimony gets very blurry when he sees 2 people near the elevator, and then again with Oswald in the lunchroom and the coke bottle stuff.      Please shake yourself and wake up!