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It's not my problem that you can't figure it out. This is a pointless conversation.
I found out a long time ago that I can't fix stupid

We're getting near to the point in the conversation where the CT tells the LN to find the supporting evidence for the CT's assertion.
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I'm not suggesting anything. 

I am pointing out that President Kennedy never touched his throat like just about everyone claims when they mention his reaction to the first shot.  Clearly, he never went for his throat.  Ever.  His right hand and arm jerk upward, his hand is open, giving the appearance that his hand is covering his mouth, while his arm is splayed upward and folded at the elbow.
 
Too many people watch the Zapruder film at slower than normal speed because too many people post the Zapruder film onto YouTube at a speed slower than 18.3 frames per second and overlook how fast his right comes up in front of his face to mouth level. The left hand is clearly not touching his throat either. as can clearly be seen.

Even before I saw David Von Pein's excellent website on the SBT, it appeared to me when looking at the Z-film at normal speed that JFK's upward movement of his arms coincideed with his reappearance from behind the sign. It was only after seeing DVP's webpage that I realized there was a one frame delay between his reappearance and the upward movement of the arms. The naked eye can't detect that one frame delay of 1/18 of a second between his reappearance and the upward movement of his arms.

Also when looking are the Z-film at normal speed, it appears JBC's gyrations began almost immediately after he reappeared. His bending and twisting to the right began less than a second after he reappeared from behind that sign.  His arm flip started about a quarter second after he reappeared and his dip to the right occurred about a half second after that.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: When Was JFK Hit?
« Last post by John Corbett on June 27, 2026, 06:11:14 PM »
At least my points were supported by evidence.  You just don’t agree with the evidence. Not only is there no evidence of a first missed shot, or that JBC was hit in the back by the same bullet that struck JFK, or that JBC is already wounded in the chest at z226, there is abundant evidence that conflicts with each of those points.

I agree with the evidence. I just don't agree with your FUBAR analysis of the evidence. It is comical that anyone could look at the Z-film and conclude JBC was not hit until Z270.

Many/most CTs argue that JBC was hit some time in the mid-Z230s. While I disagree with their assessment, it is reasonable based on JBC's assessment. It ignores JBC's obvious arm flip at Z226 but it recognizes the obvious gyrations JBC went into following the arm flip. Your scenario is just plain cuckoo.
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They all reported the Bolton story.


Here's CBS Evening News from last night. Tell me where in it you find the Bolton story:

https://www.cbsnews.com/video/062626-cbs-evening-news/
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: When Was JFK Hit?
« Last post by Andrew Mason on June 27, 2026, 05:51:25 PM »
Wrong  Right  Right  Wrong

Your batting .500. That's much better than you usually do.
No, they had the same misperceptions. Do you think the witnesses who said the shots were evenly spaced and those who said the first two shots were closer togather were hallucinating?
At least my points were supported by evidence.  You just don’t agree with the evidence. Not only is there no evidence of a first missed shot, or that JBC was hit in the back by the same bullet that struck JFK, or that JBC is already wounded in the chest at z226, there is abundant evidence that conflicts with each of those points.
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Putting your faith in legacy media makes even less sense than putting your faith in eyewitnesses. Much of the deception of the legacy media is in what they choose NOT to report as it is in what they do report. They will largely ignore negative stories about people who side with them as they did in ignoring the story of John Bolton's guilty plea to a very serious charge. But they did manage to squeeze in the stories about the escaped giraffe and the cowardly grizzly bear.
They all reported the Bolton story.

Bolton’s case is interesting because he used the documents to defend the foreign policy he helped carry out after Trump began revising history and refusing support to Ukraine. That led to his book that Trump tried to stop.  Trump on the other hand used the horde of documents he took to Maralago to show his friends.
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I did. It wasn't there.

It's not my problem that you can't figure it out. This is a pointless conversation.
I found out a long time ago that I can't fix stupid
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Although I have no proof  that this it happened, I have often wondered if President Kennedy gagged once the bullet ripped through his throat, thus he threw his hand up and over his mouth.  He makes two jerking motions as he exits from behind the Stemmons sign.  The first is a very sudden head-nod motion, and the second  looks like a possible gagging/heaving motion.  I made a similar post to this group a few years ago regarding JFK's hands, and one of the people who read the thread pointed out that it looked to him like JFK wipes his mouth off as he's turning his head to his left. Since then, I've wondered myself if he didn't do this, and wondered if JFK could have both gagged on blood in his mouth, and the terrible feeling he must have suffered as the bullet tore through his throat.

That does not look to me, or apparently to most other medical professionals  :D, like an intentional series of movements. "I am gagging and am going to wipe the blood off my mouth now." That looks to me like a completely reflexive (i.e., Thorburn-like) reaction to a neurological stimulus.

The analysis of Altgens6 looks suspiciously like pareidolia to me. I'm not convinced we're seeing his mouth at all, let alone in the level of detail being suggested. I brought this up to maximum magnification on my screen and examined it with a magnifying glass, and I was still left saying "Ya got me." I did see Bogus Haygood Imposter there in the corner, however.

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Try reading the combined testimonies again. Perhaps you'll figure it out.
I did. It wasn't there.
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   The choking issue works both ways. A shot from the Front would also impact the interior of JFK's throat and cause gagging. Blood possibly coming out of the mouth? I'm not aware of anyone at Parkland Hospital or anyone in general reporting seeing blood on the mouth, in the mouth, or on the chin of JFK. And remember that they placed SA Hill's jacket over JFK's head. Those SS agents were getting a a very good look at JFK then. I do think gagging is going on. Like somebody gagging on food stuck in their throat, JFK's gagging could be a bullet lodged in his throat. This mandated the enlarging of the tracheostomy to remove it.
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