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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 12:57:59 AM »
Thanks for some useful information. So if I’m understanding correct  a Z313 fragment could have had a velocity as high as 800 ft/ sec and still strike the curb if the fragments angle after exit from JFK skull was much more upward than the minimum angle required to go above the windshield.

Only question I have is how probable it is that  a fragment  deflects upward more than 45 degree after exiting the skull in order to have a steeper parabolic arc that shortens the horizontal distance traveled to coincide hitting the curb at the 800 ft/sec more  vertical strike angle of 45 degree or greater?

If it’s reasonable probable a fragment could deflect upward more than 45 degree upon exiting the skull at 800 ft/sec then I think the problem is finally solved.  Thumb1:

I don't think it's reasonable to think anyone is going to come up with accurate numbers for the exit velocity and the exit angle of the numerous fragments to determine if it is feasible that one of those fragments could have caused Tague's injury by chipping the concrete curb in front of him. I think we know how to frame the question but i don't know how you determine the right numbers. It's all guess work.
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    YOU have been conned. The stadium clock is Not Official. This is why the conference is challenging the outcome of the game.

I officiated high school and college football for over 25 years. I think I know what the official clock is and it's the clock on the primary scoreboard. You obviously misunderstood what the explanation was by the Big 10. The issue is with how the replay cameras are synced to the stadium clock. All the video cameras are supposed to be synced to the stadium clock before the game. There is a technical problem that causes the main TV camera that superimposes the first down line on the screen to fall about quarter second behind the other cameras. That's why the main camera showed the clock hit 0:00 before the pass was touched out of bounds while the end zone camera showed there was still 0:01 second on the stadium clock when the ball was touched. While the end zone camera was probably the more accurate one, the replay protocol dictates that the main broadcast camera is the one that should be used when determining timing issues such as this. The reason for that is obvious. The main camera is the one everybody looks at. Had they followed the protocol, they would have made the ruling based on what the main camera showed. Nobody would have ever known what the camera in the replay booth showed and there would be no controversy. The ruling on the field that the game clock had run out during the first Hail Mary would have stood and Western Michigan would have the victory.

The NFL has a protocol that says even if replay shows the play ended with one second still on the clock, they do not put time back on the clock. If it's that close, the call on the field stands and the game is declared over. If there isn't at least a two second error, the play stands as called on the field.
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Only if Josiah Thompson was there  could it have been the craziest gathering of CTs.

Thompson looks as the Z312-Z313 forward head movement of JFK and rather than just admit he made a mistake presuming a frontal head shot, doubles down with an even more preposterous sequence of FIVE shots fired of which JFK is struck TWO times in the head, one from TSBD and then 1 from a GK shooter wearing a Fedora hat. Thompson explains the forward head movement of JFK is caused by Zapruder moving his camera.

Talk about crazy Bat%^* .




 
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Zeon Mason on September 09, 2026, 10:50:36 PM »
Herb Husker replied at another forum to John Corbett's questions about his analysis of the possibility that a bullet fragment from the Z-313 head shot wounded James Tague:

The main question about fragment velocity is a good one. Fragment velocity is one that couldn’t be looked up but had to be calculated. The model to do this was based on solving equations of motion for projectile travel, in this case bullet fragments, in horizontal and vertical directions. A decent estimate on the fragment ballistic coefficients was necessary to determine velocity retardation during flight.

The basis constants in the attached were looked up as the best values I could find for the necessary variables at play here. These were not totally arbitrary, but the best values I could find. The modeling then calculated the fragment velocities by using the solver function. The arbitrary value here was the starting input value for the fragment velocity. The model iterated that velocity value, while using the non-arbitrary other constants, to find out what velocity would solve the equation of motion for the given curb distance. Net, how fast would it have to be going to reach the curb by Tague under such conditions. Some variations on key variables were also looked at for a sensitivity analysis.

The two main base cases evaluated predicted 846 ft/sec and 888 ft/sec, so for the fragment exiting the limo something abound 850 ft/sec appeared to be a good estimate.

The surprising thing out of this analysis was at the terminal end of the trajectory at the curb strike, the trajectory was close to vertical, and the velocity was essentially the terminal velocity of a fragment having a poor ballistic coefficient.

Another surprising thing was a test I ran in my basement to test the general concept with a projectile's having a similar striking energy. I found that a vertical shearing curb strike could chip off shards off a concrete block and strike me in the leg while I was standing a few feet away.

The summary of the work here describes this in more detail.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CcnCy17Hwqqw3zBCK7ls8peA3DxmVzhk/view?fbclid=IwY2xjawUNquVwZG9mAWV4dG4DYWVtAjEwAGJyaWQRMUZjZ2dObDk1emhHSW1NYUdzcnRjBmFwcF9pZBAyMjIwMzkxNzg4MjAwODkyAAEeJG8GSrUlD4T-8jA5RY48A7vDLpCLmGyuncXSge0ythorYqh2qFYB3U8Bjl0_aem_fv7vr94a-tvdXN6B1TxRvQ&pli=1

[I was unable to copy-paste here a chart in that's in Huskr's reply, but the same chart is on page 3 of his study]

Thanks for some useful information. So if I’m understanding correct  a Z313 fragment could have had a velocity as high as 800 ft/ sec and still strike the curb if the fragments angle after exit from JFK skull was much more upward than the minimum angle required to go above the windshield.

Only question I have is how probable it is that  a fragment  deflects upward more than 45 degree after exiting the skull in order to have a steeper parabolic arc that shortens the horizontal distance traveled to coincide hitting the curb at the 800 ft/sec more  vertical strike angle of 45 degree or greater?

If it’s reasonable probable a fragment could deflect upward more than 45 degree upon exiting the skull at 800 ft/sec then I think the problem is finally solved.  Thumb1:
 

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Already anticipating a new thread: Stadium Clock Conspiracy where Royell will find evidence in  the replays of some mystery  referee carrying some object in his hand pointing it at the scoreboard  :D
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Anna Luna's JFK Conspiracy Circus
« Last post by Matt Brooks on September 09, 2026, 09:27:15 PM »
they own the films and will only give them to, say, documentary directors or people in the industry wanting to license the film.
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The Loeffler memo was part of the documentation relating to the chain of evidence for the alleged stretcher bullet, CE 399. At this very time, the FBI was trying to find out about the bullet that had been reportedly found on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital in Dallas. Keep in mind that this memo was written on 11/22/63.

Loeffler begins the one-page memo by noting that O.P. Wright was contacted regarding "the present location of the bullet that was taken from the body of Governor Connally." Now, come on, folks. This is clearly, undeniably a reference to the stretcher bullet. This becomes even more obvious with Loeffler's next sentence: "Mr. Wright said he had given instructions to his supervising nurse to preserve the bullet."

Then, Loeffler mentions that Wright advised that some fragments were found in Connally's wrist and were turned over to Texas highway patrolman Nolan. Loeffler next says that Wright assumed that Nolan would take the bullet to the state lab in Austin.

So, we can either believe that Loeffler somehow thought the stretcher bullet was really just the wrist fragments, even though he had just referred to "the bullet" twice, or we can make the more logical assumption that Loeffler simply reverted to referring to the stretcher bullet when he said Nolan would take the bullet to the state lab. The focus of the memo was the location of the stretcher bullet, not the wrist fragments.

If Loeffler thought "the bullet" was the wrist fragments, why did he use the term "bullet" at all in the memo? Why didn't he simply explain that "we thought that a bullet had been removed from Connally's body, but it turns out that only some fragments were removed from his wrist"?




A bullet wasn't taken from the body of Connally. A nurse did not have possession of a bullet removed from Connally. Wright gave the bullet that he received from Tomlinson to Richard Johnsen. The memorandum was unmistakably about the fragments removed from Connally. Nolan received bullet fragments, not a bullet. Loeffler was not assuming that Nolan had a bullet as well as the fragments. Loeffler was not assuming anything in that memorandum. Stop being so ridiculous. The memorandum is a clear example of an FBI agent referring to bullet fragments as a bullet.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Anna Luna's JFK Conspiracy Circus
« Last post by Royell Storing on September 09, 2026, 09:09:43 PM »
Because the Sixth Floor Museum owns the rights + unless we form a bogus enterprise to license the films, we can't watch them.

                                                                                ".........owns the rights" ? 

                                                                          What specifically does that mean?
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Marsh was cantankerous. He avoided getting involved in lengthy debates on any subject here. He was never wrong about anything.
Marsh? Cantankerous? NAH!!! He used to call us Nazis over on McAdams' forum. Name calling like that was against the forum rules but McAdams let him get away with it. I think he just got tired of fighting him and found it easier to just take the attitude that it was just Tony being Tony. Everyone was used to it.

As for never admitting he was wrong, we have at least one poster on this forum who seems to have that same quality. No need to name names.
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My hand to eye coordination is terrible. I am not good at golf at all. My game improves with each beer consumed though.

I was just the opposite. Even when I was a halfway decent player, one beer and my game would go to hell. I saved the beer for the 19th hole.
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-- The autopsy brain photos show virtually no tissue missing.



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