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"I would say to me it seemed like 3 or 4 seconds between the first and the second, and between the second and third, well, I guess 2 seconds, they were very close together. It could have been more time between the first and second. I really can't be sure."  -- Pulitizer [sic] Prize winning photographer Robert Jackson

Probably because he mixed the sounds of the shots with their echoes and sorta hallucinated that it was two seconds.

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"Yes, I heard one. Then there was a little bit of time [about five seconds], and then there were two real fast [echo sounds of] bullets together." -- Linda Willis


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"The [echoes of the] second and third shots [made it seem that they] were pretty close together, but there was a short [5-second] lapse there between the first and second shot." -- Luke Mooney

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"Mr. BELIN. And what about between the second and third?

Mr. CRAIG. Not more than 2 seconds. It was—they were real rapid." Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig

Okay.

Roger Craig?

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"After what I took to be about three seconds, another shot boomed out, and after what I took to be one-half the time between the first and second shots (calculated now, this would have put the third shot about one and one-half seconds after the second shot--by my estimate--to me there seemed to be a long time between the first and second shots, a much shorter time between the second and third shots--these were my impressions that day), a third shot was fired." -- U.S. Senator Ralph Yarborough, affidavit)

Which proves that even a U.S. Senator can be confused by the echoes of Dealey Plaza.

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“There was to me about twice as much time between the first and second shots as there was between the second and third shots.” -- Forrest Sorrels [sic]

Secret Service Agents, too.

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“The Presidential vehicle was approximately 200 feet from the underpass when the first shot was fired, followed in quick succession by two more. I would estimate that all three shots were fired within 5 seconds. -- Secret Service Agent William McIntyre


18 H 747 ?

You meant to say 18 H, CE 1024, page 747.

Regardless, he seems to be referring to the second and third shots.

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“I heard a shot and about 7 seconds later another shot and approximately 2 or 3 seconds later a third shot.” -- Sheriff's Deputy Allan Sweatt

Seven seconds?

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“I heard three shots. One, then a slight [five-second] pause, then two [bullet and echo sounds which made them seem] very close together." -- Lee Bowers
 

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“The last two were closer than the first. In other words, it was the first, and then a pause, and then the other two were [either echoes or] real close.” -- Haygood


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“The second shot followed some seconds, a little time elapsed after the first one and followed very quickly by the third one.” -- Crawford.  (He also confirms that the VP security car had completed the turn when the first shot was heard.)

1) Huh? His English is almost as bad as yours.

2) He thought the Secret Service car was "a yellow closed sedan" that was behind LBJ's car!

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"Q: How much time elapsed from the time you heard the second noise until you heard the third noise?

A: When I heard the second noise, the third was followed nearly just right back-to-back. [Kinda like echoes!] It was fired in rapid succession." -- Buell Wesley Frazier, in his 1969 testimony at the Clay Shaw trial.

He also said he saw Oswald walking towards him down the Elm Street sidewalk about five minutes after the assassination.


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And I've made up many more.

We know you have, Andrew.

We know you have.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The girl in blue
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 12:17:15 AM »
   "Roar"? This is Not the Ed Forum.

I've never been a member of the Ed Forum so I guess I'll have to take your word for that.
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You will be held accountable around here.

How so?
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Count on it going forward, and choose your words carefully.

Oh, goody
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And Elm St runs downhill. A motorcycle(s) coasting around the corner would "speed up" automatically. Again, think what you are claiming through.

I have thought about it. That's why I know that both limos are going to accelerate (or speed up if you prefer) coming out of that turn. They aren't going to just coast down a 3 degree incline. Since the motorcycle escort's job was to keep pace with the limos, they would have to get on their throttles too and 4 accelerating Harleys are going to create quite a ROAR (I carefully chose that word).
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   If YOU are going to base your case on the Sprague Image, YOU should have already, ".....investigated the lighter box around Lovelady & Shelley". This is Not the Ed Forum.

Holding up a hoop and hurdle for others to jump through does not sound research make...

The person who lacks here the most is the one who has violated his own so-called standards and failed to show the highlight box was anything other than a highlight box...
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Says the JFK CTer.  HA HA HA HA.  Even "funnier."  No huge conspiracy would be required.  Fauci funds research in China.  It results in a COVID outbreak.  That coincides with the upcoming election.  Fauci cover his backside.  The Dems conjure up a lot of nonsense like closing down the entire country to blame Trump.  They win the election.

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The Dems conjure up a lot of nonsense like closing down the entire country to blame Trump.  They win the election.

 BS:

"Donald Trump’s social media posts during the COVID-19 pandemic routinely drew severe criticism from public health officials and tech platforms for spreading medical misinformation, downplaying the virus, and stoking xenophobic rhetoric. The backlash became so acute that it fundamentally altered moderation policies, forcing platforms like Twitter and Facebook to aggressively fact-check, label, or completely remove a sitting president's posts for the first time due to concerns over real-world physical harm."

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/05/27/coronavirus-twitter-trump-286716

Meanwhile - red states opened too early:

Dr. Anthony Fauci warned in May 2020 that lifting COVID-19 lockdowns before seeing a sustained two-week decline in infections would cause "needless suffering and death". As numerous states reopened and relaxed restrictions, many subsequently experienced surges in viral transmission and rising fatalities during the summer months

Fauci's Reopening Criteria Advised a phased approach based on federal guidelines. Demanded a continuous 14-day downward path in new documented cases or positive tests before easing rules. Required local public health systems to possess robust testing, contact tracing, and isolation capabilities

Outcome of Early Reopenings Several states lifted restrictions or advanced phases without meeting the 14-day decline benchmark. Infection rates climbed sharply in multiple regions (such as the Sunbelt states) during June and July 2020.

Fauci had no control over the states opening too early while a dopey POTUS caused fatalities spreading misinformation and lies across all social media platforms
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Which is just saying something strongly without really saying anything...


I'm sure if we rose to your bait and investigated the lighter box around Lovelady & Shelley it would just be a simple highlighting box and not change anything...

   If YOU are going to base your case on the Sprague Image, YOU should have already, ".....investigated the lighter box around Lovelady & Shelley". This is Not the Ed Forum.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The girl in blue
« Last post by Royell Storing on August 17, 2026, 11:12:54 PM »
Please explain the difference between "speed up" and "accelerate".

   "Roar"? This is Not the Ed Forum. You will be held accountable around here. Count on it going forward, and choose your words carefully. And Elm St runs downhill. A motorcycle(s) coasting around the corner would "speed up" automatically. Again, think what you are claiming through.
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Which is just saying something strongly without really saying anything...


I'm sure if we rose to your bait and investigated the lighter box around Lovelady & Shelley it would just be a simple highlighting box and not change anything...
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Rather admitted that his account of what he saw was wrong, that he had given a rushed description. He said he saw the film once - Zapruder projected it onto the back wall of his office - and rushed out with no notes to broadcast what he saw. And it wasn't a copy of the film; it was the original.

Here is Rather in his memoirs: "The lawyer [Sam Passman, Zapruder's lawyer] laid out the ground rules for us: He had set up a projector in a private room. You went in, looked at the film one time, took no notes, came out and gave him your bid. I was already saying to myself, the bid comes second. The first thing I am going to do is look at the film, then knock the hinges off the door getting back to the station and describe what I had just seen. Then, and only then, would we get into the bidding."

And this (from Alexandra Zapruder's book):  For his part, Rather defends his misrepresentation of what was on the film not by acknowledging that it was irresponsible to give an account after having seen it only once, but as follows: “At the risk of sounding too defensive, I challenge anyone to watch for the first time a twenty-two-second film [sic] of devastating impact, run several blocks, then describe what they had seen in its entirety, without notes. Perhaps someone can do so better than I did that day. I only know that I did it as well and as honestly as I could under the conditions."

Of course none of this matters. The same folks will repeat the same groundless claims and then demand their claims be proven wrong. When they are, they will ignore it and then repeat the claim. More than 60 years of this.

     Rather viewed the Zapruder Film on the Monday following the assassination. Rather then immediately began his multiple LIVE TV broadcasts describing what he saw on the Z Film that very same day/Monday.  Richard Stolley purchased the rights to the Z Film the previous Sat. How could Rather possibly be concerned about submitting a possible bid for the Z film, when the rights to the film had already been SOLD 2 days before?
     Also, in "National Nightmare"by Richard B. Trask, it is detailed that when Zapruder initially showed his film that Saturday morning inside his dress shop, the ONLY people that were present for that viewing were Richard Stolley and SS Agents. Trask goes on to detail that Zapruder immediately replayed his film several times. It was during these repeat showings that, "Representatives from AP, UPI, and several magazines, THOU NO TELEVISION PEOPLE, arrived and also viewed the macabre motorcade". Rather did Not view the Zapruder Film on Saturday. His viewing of the Zapruder Film was done on a Monday. He immediately described to the world what he saw on the Zapruder Film that very same Monday.   
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It's the HUGE conspiracy you would need to pull this off that is so laughable.
"...inflict the maximum amount of pain huh? - let's get Fauci"  :D

"...to dupe trump" - even funnier !

Says the JFK CTer.  HA HA HA HA.  Even "funnier."  No huge conspiracy would be required.  Fauci funds research in China.  It results in a COVID outbreak.  That coincides with the upcoming election.  Fauci cover his backside.  The Dems conjure up a lot of nonsense like closing down the entire country to blame Trump.  They win the election. 
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The girl in blue
« Last post by John Corbett on August 17, 2026, 10:35:33 PM »
    You described the motorcycles rounding of the corner as the, "ROAR of 4 motorcycles accelerating out of the sharp turn...". Now, you want to describe it as merely a "speed up". And, there is a difference between "4 Motorcycles" and "Any VEHICLE". You wanna go Drama Queen, and you will be held accountable. The Facts are important. So is the verbiage you choose to use.

Please explain the difference between "speed up" and "accelerate".
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