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Why would that be necessary in order to look away from the limo and back in the general direction of the TSBD?

She is running and her shoulders are square to the direction she is running. So if her head is turned 90 degrees, her face is looking straight across Elm St. and that would be right at the limo. Here is Tyler's animation at z144.3 which is the closest I could get to z145:


I have no idea how to tell whether she is looking at the TSBD, the car, the road, the sidewalk across the street, or something else. All I can say is that her hood is turned to the right about 90 degrees to her shoulders and the President's car is directly in the sightline if she was looking in the direction her hood is facing.  I don't know why she would not be looking at the occupants of the President's car.

Some witnesses said it sounded muffled (which makes sense given the fact that it was a steeply-downward-angled shot which required Oswald's having the muzzle of his short-rifle inside the building).

Since the occupants of the VP car said that their car had completed the turn and was going toward the Triple Overpass, and since the VP Security car occupants said that they were just about to complete the turn onto Elm (eg. "We turned off of Houston Street onto Elm
Street and that was when I heard the first shot" -Joe Rich 18H800; "our car had just made the left-hand turn from Houston onto Elm St. and was right along side the Texas School Book Depository" - Clifton Carter 7H474), and since Croft said the the first shot was after his z161 photo and Betzner said it was after his z186 photo, and Mary Woodward said it was after JFK began his last wave as they passed by where she was standing (at the lamp post opposite JFK at about z192), ALL OF THESE PEOPLE would have to be COMPLETELY MISTAKEN IN THE SAME WAY but for different reasons.  What could have caused that?  How can that possibly happen?

Why did she snap her head to her left and finally start looking at the limo around Z-214?

She had seen the pigeons fly from the roof of the TSBD by then.  Why would she continue looking at the TSBD?  Another look toward the President doesn't seem unreasonable.

Dear World-Famous Comrade Storing,

Why are you obsessed with Holland's probably incorrect theory when, in fact, Oswald's first, missing-everything shot was more likely at "Z-124," i.e., a second later than Holland's "Z-107"?

-- Tom

   What bothers me is the general acceptance by the JFK Assassination Research Community of the Holland "Theory" without any serious push back. A major part of this is due to it being broadcast world wide by National Geographic. This is the same thing we saw transpire with CBS, NBC, ABC, and PBS doing likewise with the WC Whitewash during the 60's and 70's. Anybody bucking this "rip tide" gets their appearances/opinions Black Balled. And that translates into $$. What we are seeing with Holland's half baked theories is the JFK Assassination Research Community simply "going with the flow". Anybody doing the deep dive research and revealing the Holland Baloney for what it is, is soon preaching to a congregation of 1. And this media generated riptide includes the famed Sixth Floor Museum too. 

A silly argument not worth answering. Objective people who read this thread will wonder how you can make such statements with a straight face.

Oh! Really?! Well, please do provide a shred of evidence that the large chunk of brain that Jackie handed to Dr. Jenkins was ever even flown to DC, much less that it was given to the autopsy doctors at any point. Nobody but nobody but nobody said one word about seeing any such thing. There is literally not one word in any account that even hints that such a thing was done.

FYI, the autopsy brain photos do not show any separate pieces of brain tissue. Dr. Jenkins said he gave the "large chunk of brain" to a Secret Service agent, and there is no record or even rumor of what happened to it after that, nor is there any photo of a "large chunk of brain," nor is there any record or account of a large piece of brain being given to the autopsy doctors at any point.

Umm, which argument of mine is this ball of confusion supposed to be answering? How does this explain the fact that the skull x-rays show far more missing brain tissue than the autopsy brain photos show? How does this explain how JFK's brain could have weighed 1,500 grams after bits of brain tissue from that brain splattered or fell onto 16 surfaces, not counting the "large chunk of brain" that Jackie brought to the ER? How does this explain the fact that the dozens of tiny fragments seen on the skull x-rays prove the ammo could not have been FMJ ammo?

Huh??? Uh, you're the one who claimed that someone took the large chunk of brain that Jackie brought to the ER and put it back with the rest of brain. I've never said that any pieces of brain tissue were put back with the rest of the brain. That was your zany suggestion.

The only fantasy is your claim that OD measurement is not a recognized science, that 40-plus witnesses couldn't tell the difference between a wound directly above the right ear and a wound several inches farther back on the head, that your college-dropout source (Pat Speer) knows more about OD science and x-ray interpretation than Dr. Mantik, Dr. Chesser, Dr. Henkelmann, Dr. Haus, Dr. Aguilar, etc., etc.

I can't prove anything to you because you have the same mindset as a Flat Earther, a 9/11 Truther, or a Moon-landing denier when it comes to the JFK case.

The bits of brain that were splattered or fell onto 16 surfaces undoubtedly added up to more than 2 ounces, and this is not counting the "large chunk of brain" that Jackie gave to Dr. Jenkins in the Parkland ER. There is simply no way that the brain seen in the autopsy brain photos could be the same brain that was blasted during the assassination.

If you believe Bonnie Ray ate his lunch in the third aisle then how did his lunch remains end up on top of the Sniper's Nest?
You've tried to answer this question once and failed miserably. You are the one who is spouting the Warren Commission's version of events, so it's up to you to explain this 'discrepancy'. The truth is you can't rationally explain it. You have been corrected on this issue time and time again and now, rather than make even more of a fool of yourself, you want me to explain it for you. Either provide a coherent explanation, one that makes rational sense, or tell the truth...that you don't really care one way or the other and no amount of evidence is going to alter your spoon-fed beliefs.

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Please answer my question.

Did Bonnie Ray Williams eat inside the Sniper's Nest?

If so, did he share his Fritos with Lee?

-- Tom

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Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Where did Billy Ray Williams eat his lunch?

Inside the Sniper's Nest ? ? ?

If so, did he share his Fritos with Lee ? ? ?

-- Tom