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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: I have had a JFKA epiphany!
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 10:19:00 AM »
The Dallas PD was either incompetent or intentionally malicious, but most of the problems with the evidence at the Book Depository and Tippit crime scenes originates from the mishandling of the case by local police. Captain Westbrook appears to have been in the middle of nearly all the problems with the Dallas PD evidence on 11/22/63.

The FBI is responsible for the post-11/22 cover-up and they no doubt got orders from LBJ and Hoover to focus on Oswald and ignore other potential leads.

The CIA and Secret Service obstructed investigations and covered up stuff too.

All of the above could be dismissed as incompetence and attempts after the fact to cover up their incompetence. I'm receptive to that argument.

However, in the big picture, that explanation doesn't explain the inconsistencies in the forensic evidence and other inexplicable stuff related to this case.

For example, how is it that dozens of witnesses between Parkland and Bethesda said they saw the back of Kennedy's head blown out but the autopsy photos don't show it? We're talking about doctors and nurses. Not lay people. How could so many of them be wrong in their description of Kennedy's head wound?

The inconsistencies with the Medical evidence are one of the main reasons I don't think we'll ever be able to conclusively say there was a single shooter.

People intuitively feel that there's more to the story and they're probably right.

"However, in the big picture, that explanation doesn't explain the inconsistencies in the forensic evidence and other inexplicable stuff related to this case."

Hoover laid down the law before the investigation had really begun - it was to be demonstrated to the public that Oswald was the lone assassin.
The FBI's investigation into JFK's assassination began with this conclusion!
The Warren Commission Sham was merely an extension of this pre-ordained FBI conclusion in the guise of a lame puppet show.
The Warren Commission Report is a ridiculous tissue of fabrication, misrepresentation and misinformation. This is an easily demonstrable fact.

On top of the laughably incompetent/corrupt DPD investigation, it's all grist for the CTer mill.
But none of it necessarily points to a conspiracy or cover up.
The planet had stood on the brink of World War III only a couple of years before. Now the most beloved President had been assassinated by an ex-Marine who had recently returned from Russia.
It was of paramount importance to demonstrate that this was just some random loner. The slightest hint of Russian involvement would have ignited a situation far more serious than the Bay of Pigs.
So the order went out - Oswald is the lone assassin and the purpose of any investigation is demonstrate this and nothing but this.
Whether or not he was a lone assassin was irrelevant.
Evidence was manufactured, manipulated and misinterpreted to this end. Not to cover-up a conspiracy but to avert a global catastrophe.

Further muddying the waters was the fact that 99.9% of all law enforcement officers appeared to be utterly convinced Oswald was the lone assassin as soon as he was arrested. By the end of the first day of the investigation it was deemed to be a slam dunk of a case. Altering a few details to make sure some Pinko lawyer didn't get him off on a technicality was a perfectly acceptable approach to the case. Again, not in the service of a conspiracy but as part of an utter conviction that Oswald was the assassin and he acted alone. A perfectly natural conviction.

On top of this was the rush by the intelligence services to hide the fact they had been closely monitoring Oswald prior to the assassination.
This was a very bad look indeed but a worse look was when evidence of this cover-up started to come to light. This really was fodder for CTers.
Again, actions not taken as part of an assassination related conspiracy, merely CYA on a grand scale.




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There was also a legitimate opportunity to "silence" Oswald in the Texas Theatre when he resisted arrest and pulled a gun on an officer.  A golden opportunity but those sly conspirators decide to arrest him, allow him to speak freely to the press, then recruit an unstable nut and rely on him to spend the rest of his life in jail without talking.   What a plan.  This is all a great example of no good deed going unpunished.  The DPD attempted to be as transparent as possible.  That resulted in chaos that unintentionally created security risks.
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100 percent spot on.

totally agree.  patsy points for that one. thanks.
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Graves, give it a damn rest.

this WAS a pretty good discussion until, well……… the first part is good.
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Brain………. I am going to do you a huge solid.  I think I have found a wife for you.  Her name is Barbara Hartwell, and she has a website, s’appelle barbarahartwellvscia.blogspot.com  Wander on over there, tell her Todd’s friend Mark sent you.  She will complete you, as Tom Cruise said.  You’re welcome.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The smell of gunpowder
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 06:21:08 AM »
JS

Yes, firecracker smoke, in the old-old days was identical to gunsmoke, both being "black powder."

However, Aalmost all "modern" gunpowder (even in the 1960s) is a mix of potassium nitrate, charcoal, and sulfur.

Firecrackers powder is usually made of fine aluminum or magnesium powder mixed with potassium perchlorate or potassium nitrate for a much brighter, louder crack.
 And results in a different smell.

Many who smelled gunsmoke in the GK in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA were vets and police officers. They were confident in the witness statements.

My best guess is a sub-nose .38, which gives off a loud report and a lot of smoke (depending on ammo used), was fired near the GK. It was the concealed carry weapon of the day.

Caveat emptor and draw your own conclusions. They will be as good as anyone else's.

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Perhaps I should copy your exemplary academic posting style...Meanwhile the posting style of the Prayer Man trolls goes uncriticized, which involves some of the worst organized corruption and dishonesty in internet history...Kamp then gets the endorsement of podcast idiots who are just looking to self-promote themselves with popular theories and researchers - evidence be damned (Ciphered Past, Robbie Robertson, Rob Clark, Len Osanic)...

Prayer Man is holding her purse up in front of her face and is looking down in to it...Her grand daughter Wanda sent me a photo of herself holding the purse as a child...

The internet allows dominating personalities to manipulate moderator favoritism and place friendships and clique over good evidence...They keep Mark Knight around to make sure they get away with it...Once disproven they keep their bad bans and don't apologize...It is much easier to just ban the people who out-argue you instead of admitting your were wrong...

……… so she’s powdering her nose? didn’t the prez already go by?  now me is’ con-fuz-ed !  oh well, it wasn’t the Ozzie, he had been busy upstairs there shooting the president.  yeah, the one that could shoot, right?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The smell of gunpowder
« Last post by Ted Sager on Yesterday at 05:12:16 AM »
Admitting a firecracker might smell different than a rifle shot. If someone smell burnt powder would they think it's gun smoke then realize, that's just a firecracker?
Or would they think rifle powder?
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BD-

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 02:25:02 AM »
Let me see if I got this straight. You have JFK hit in the back by the first shot and hit in the head by the third shot. You have JBC hit by the second shot, around Z270 if I recall. So if JBC was hit by the second shot and Tague was hit by the second shot, wouldn't they both have to have been hit by the same shot?
Yes. But I will give you a little hint: JBC’s right arm is not on or near his lap at z271.
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