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Part way throo Nova, at 6:55 Clint Hill says some silly stuff.
CH did not hear Oswald's first shot at say pseudo Z110, koz CH says that CH heard the first shot from over CH's shoulder at which time jfk grabbed at jfk's throat.
Then CH correctly says that there woz a shot that CH did not hear, while CH was running (this woz of course the headshot at Z312).
Then CH says that CH heard a shot az CH woz nearing the jfk limo, & CH says that this woz the headshot.
Memory iz fraught.

We've seen the above before. Many times. Right outta the box it is Wrong. On the TSBD side of the Elm St Extension, it shows only 1 car parked between the Huge Gates and the TSBD front door. That is Wrong. So the "stage" is Wrong before this cartoon even begins rolling. And you want me to have confidence in this? Would you buy a house to live in if you knew the "foundation" underneath it was bad? Not me.  Some of us have large Dealey Plaza Maps detailing who was where, the landmarks placement, and right on down to the where cars were parked including the "make" of the cars. Sole reliance on incorrect information like the above, is why this case remains unsolved after 62+ plus years. The above is entertaining, but what you're doing is lapping up xxxx xxxx. Without knowing it, you are poisoning your mind in more JFK Assassination areas than you realize.   

Dear Royell,

Only one car was necessary on the other side of Elm Street Extension in the animation to accurately reflect the fact that your putative "getaway car" was already there, parked next to the "island" and behind the traffic light pole.

Regardless, keep up the good work.

"Former" KGB counterintelligence officer Vladimir Putin and the Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with Xxxx") he installed as our "president" on 20 January 2017 cherish your work!

-- Tom

You, therefore, think that Connally is exhibiting classic signs of sudden distress (flinching, suddenly opening his mouth, and jerking an arm up then down) merely because he was "preparing to turn around". Oh brother!

Looks like Andrew is in just about as much SBT Denial as Mr. James R. Gordon of The Education Forum. Mr. Gordon, btw, totally denied the Connally "hat flip" altogether. He thought it never occurred:

"These “jerky” and “startled” reactions that you talk about only occur between Z 226 and Z 228. And these are blurred frames. These reactions have nothing to do with John Connally, they are a consequence of Zapruder moving his camera." -- James Gordon; 2015

How's that for a severe case of Denial?

David, for what it's worth, I could never get Tony Marsh to acknowledge the hat flip beginning at Z226 either. He simply didn't want to address the fact that JFK's and JBC's arms started moving up in perfect unison, so he simply denied it.

I will admit that my main focus has always been on the simultaneous upward movement of the two men's arms beginning at Z226 and had not focused much on the reactions you see at Z225. You might very well be correct about that. I wish we could see JFK's face at Z224 so we would have something to compare it to. Was there a significant change at Z225? No way to say for sure, but you make a strong case for that. There's no question that JBC's shoulders made a sudden dip at Z225.

I have calculated that the bullet that caused JFK's head to explode at Z313 with an estimated average velocity of 2000 fps would have required about 2 frames to cover the 88 yards from the muzzle to JFK's head. I want to emphasize the word estimate because I don't have an reliable figure for the bullet's velocity, but I think I'm in the ballpark. That means Oswald would have pulled the trigger at or about Z311. Frame Z318 is badly blurred indicating Zapruder likely jiggled his camera in reaction to hearing the muzzle blast. Since the distance from the muzzle to Zapruder's ears was a constant for all three shots, we should expect a similar lag time between the firing of the shot and the jiggle of Zapruder's camera, which for the head shot was 7 frames. That is an estimate because the actual lag time is unlikely to be an integer. Whether that figure is a little more or a little less than 7 frames I have no way of knowing. Trying to nail this down precisely is impossible due to the timepiece we are using which is Zapruder's camera. However, if we apply that estimated 7 frame lag time to the second shot, there is a blurring of frame Z227 which would indicate the second shot was fired at Z220. It's a slightly shorter distance for the bullet to cover but it's still almost 2 Z-frames which would mean the single bullet struck at or about Z222. That seems to me to be reasonable given the jacket bulge at Z224 and the arm flips at Z226.

The movement couldn’t possibly be preparing to turn around because:
1. JBC had just heard a rifle shot.
2. He feared an assassination of the President was underway.
3. He wanted to turn around to look behind him to see JFK.

You, therefore, think that Connally is exhibiting classic signs of sudden distress (flinching, suddenly opening his mouth, and jerking an arm up then down) merely because he was "preparing to turn around". Oh brother!

Looks like Andrew is in just about as much SBT Denial as Mr. James R. Gordon of The Education Forum. Mr. Gordon, btw, totally denied the Connally "hat flip" altogether. He thought it never occurred:

"Nor does John Connally’s hat begin to flip at Z 226 forwards. .... These “jerky” and “startled” reactions that you talk about only occur between Z 226 and Z 228. And these are blurred frames. These reactions have nothing to do with John Connally, they are a consequence of Zapruder moving his camera." -- James Gordon; May 15, 2015

How's that for a severe case of Denial?

More:

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/A Bitter SBT Debate

Mark Tyler's video animation of the motorcade accurately shows Royell Storing's putative "getaway car" (a 1958 Pontiac Bonneville) parked next to the concrete island and behind the traffic light pole while Wiegman was filming the scene, and at the 2:22 - 2:24 mark, it's accurately overlapping, from Wiegman's perspective, a light-colored car that's parked on the other side of Elm Street Extension.

This reinforces my contention that Storing's "getaway car" wasn't abandoned by the bad guys (or intentionally left there by them for some other bad guys to use!) some 10 - 20 seconds later, but was there all along.

(Wiegman was in car "13" in the video.)

https://www.marktyler.org/mc63.html


The overlapping of the two cars in the Wiegman clip can be seen here:

https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4908.msg177001.html#msg177001