JFK Assassination Forum

Frazier was at the corner of Houston and Elm when he saw Oswald. He never said he saw Oswald coming from the loading dock. That is your invention.

Try again.

Frazier saw Oswald coming from the loading dock, meaning walking south from the direction of the dock.
My timeline requires that Oswald had walked past Frazier at some time/point, then walked north along the TSBD (towards the dock, to get hiz jacket from the domino room) but then did a U-turn & walked back south along the TSBD, which iz where/when Fazier saw Oswald walking "from the dock".
So, Oswald must hav passed Frazier near the steps or near the corner of the TSBD less than 30 sec before Oswald passed Frazier near the corner for the last time.
We can be sure that Oswald had exited the TSBD via the main door/steps, koz, had he exited via the dock then he would hav got hiz jacket. But the jacket remained in the domino room for weeks.
Frazier had spent over 60 sec near the corner, so Oswald had passed within inches or feet of Frazier. So, how did Frazier not see Oswald the first time?
Anyhow, my perfect timeline requires that Oswald did not come from the dock, but had come from that direction, after doing a U-turn.
So, where did Oswald dump the empty coke bottle?
The vending machine would hav taken 5 cents or 10 cents.
And the bottle refund/deposit would hav been 2 cents to 5 cents.
Probly not enuff to explain why Oswald might hav shot Tippit. 

Most likely just a scrum and a black comedy of errors.

You're full of beans.

Trump: "The election was stolen from me!"

Trump: “Be there, will be wild!”

Bannon: "All hell is going to break loose tomorrow!"

Trump: "If you don't fight like hell, you're going to lose your country!"


GROK: Donald Trump repeatedly and publicly claimed before January 6, 2021, that the 2020 presidential election had been stolen from him, primarily by Democrats through widespread fraud, rigged voting processes (especially mail-in ballots), and other irregularities. He began raising doubts well before Election Day and intensified them dramatically after November 3, 2020, framing the results as illegitimate in speeches, tweets, press conferences, rallies, and calls with officials.

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Pre-Election Warnings (2020)

Trump frequently warned that the only way he could lose was if the election was "rigged," focusing on mail-in voting expanded due to COVID-19. Examples include:

April 7, 2020: "Mail ballots are a very dangerous thing for this country, because they're cheaters. They go and collect them. They're fraudulent in many cases."

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August 2020 (RNC acceptance speech): "The only way they can take this election away from us is if this is a rigged election." He also said Democrats were "trying to rig this election."

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May 24, 2020 (tweet): "The Democrats are trying to Rig the 2020 Election, plain and simple!"

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He and allies like Steve Bannon discussed a strategy where Trump would declare victory early on election night, and if trailing later (due to mail ballots), claim "they stole it."

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Post-Election Claims (November 2020–January 5, 2021)

After Biden was projected the winner, Trump refused to concede and made hundreds of statements alleging fraud. Key examples:

November 4, 2020 (early morning tweet, while results were still being counted): "We are up BIG, but they are trying to STEAL the Election. We will never let them do it. Votes cannot be cast after the Polls are closed!" He also said in a White House speech: "This is a fraud on the American public... we did win this election."

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November 5, 2020 (tweet): "STOP THE COUNT!"

November 15, 2020 (tweet): "He only won in the eyes of the FAKE NEWS MEDIA. I concede NOTHING! ... This was a RIGGED ELECTION!"

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December 2020 (tweet): "This Fake Election can no longer stand. Get moving Republicans." And: "I WON THE ELECTION IN A LANDSLIDE, but remember, I only think in terms of legal votes, not all of the fake voters and fraud..." He claimed "hundreds of thousands of ballots mysteriously flowing into Swing States very late at night."

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Trump promoted specific unsubstantiated theories, including:

Dominion voting machines flipping votes (sometimes tied to Venezuela or foreign interference).

Massive illegal ballots, dead people voting, non-citizens voting, and more votes cast than registered voters in key areas.

Poll watchers being blocked and "suitcases" of ballots in Georgia.

Late-night ballot dumps in Democratic strongholds.

He repeated these in rallies (e.g., in Georgia), interviews, and a January 2, 2021, call with Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, where he urged officials to "find 11,780 votes" and claimed he won Georgia "by hundreds of thousands of votes."

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On January 5, 2021 (the day before the Capitol events), Trump continued pushing the narrative in statements and planning for the next day's objections in Congress.

Scale and Impact

Trump made these claims hundreds of times via Twitter alone in the post-election period (e.g., "rigged" dozens of times, "stolen" dozens more, "I won" repeatedly). His January 6 Ellipse speech (on the day itself) compiled many of the same points, urging supporters to "stop the steal." Supporters and some Republican lawmakers echoed the rhetoric, leading to objections during the electoral vote certification.

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Context and Counterpoints

These claims were investigated extensively: over 60 lawsuits (many dismissed, including by Trump-appointed judges), audits, recounts, and statements from Trump's own officials (e.g., Attorney General William Barr said no fraud on a scale that could change the outcome). No evidence emerged of widespread fraud sufficient to alter the results in any state. Courts repeatedly rejected the allegations for lack of evidence. Trump and allies were told internally by campaign staff, DOJ, and others that the claims lacked merit, though Trump maintained he believed (or acted as if) the election was stolen.

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Trump framed the fight as protecting the Constitution and "legal votes," often calling for Republican lawmakers to act. Critics argue the sustained rhetoric undermined confidence in elections and contributed to the events of January 6; supporters view it as legitimate questioning of procedures amid pandemic changes and alleged irregularities.

In summary, Trump's pre-January 6 statements consistently and forcefully asserted that Democrats (and others) had stolen the election through fraud and rigging. These formed a central theme of his post-election messaging.


Do you think the 2020 election was stolen from Trump?

RS:  I am talking about the dirt road portion of the Elm St Extension.

So why did you bring up the limo turn and traffic signal in the Wegman film?

there are NO BOLLARDS between Officer Harkness and this alleged motorcycle cop.

Yes there are! Not only can you see many of them in the Darnell film, others are made obvious when the motorcycle cop walks behind them.

Here, bollards are outlined in red. Note that one is in Harkness' shadow:


Here, "B" marks where the line of bollards is. You can see that two of them are silhouetted by the MC as he walks behind them:


Here he is a half step later:

   12:35 - DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood makes documented radio transmission from his motorcycle parked near the Triple Underpass

   12:36 - DPD Officer Harkness makes a documented radio transmission that he is bringing a witness/Amos Euins to the TSBD. Harkness then loads Euins into the backseat of Inspector Sawyer's car in front of the TSBD. Harkness is then instructed to secure the area behind the TSBD.

                  Above, we see Officer Harkness has followed his orders with respect to securing the area behind the TSBD. The time of the above would be 12:38 PM. This makes it physically impossible for the above DPD Motorcycle Cop to be Officer Haygood. Haygood having made his 12:35 radio transmission from his parked motorcycle near the Triple Underpass.

You're kidding, right? You can see a man in black with an open black umbrella on the grass  in front of the Pergola in the Bronson film! Do just make this $#!^ up as you go along?

   Umbrella Man is standing on the sidewalk. This is why he said something along the lines of, "... just sat down" with respect to sitting on the retaining wall behind him. People such as yourself are simply unfamiliar with just how wide that sidewalk is. When they shut down Dealey Plaza to do the CSI work, they had DPD Cop Cars parked on that same sidewalk. Those cop cars did not hang over the sides of the sidewalk. That Elm St sidewalk is not similar to the one you used to play hopscotch on. 

                There are NO Images at any point in time showing Witt/Umbrella Man standing on any "grassy area". That argument has absolutely nothing to support it. Totally ridiculous right out of the blocks.

You're kidding, right? You can see a man in black with an open black umbrella on the grass  in front of the Pergola in the Bronson film! Do just make this $#!^ up as you go along?