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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Anthony Marsh Claims *He* Proved The Zapruder Film Is Authentic
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on August 20, 2026, 07:25:29 PM »
Quote from: Steve Barber on January 18, 2018, 04:21:22 PM
Oh, I feel sorry for you having to live 10 minutes from him. Have you ever met him? I have. VERY unscrupulous human being--if he can even be called that. His name should be listed next to the word loathsome within the dictionary.  I have a feeling that on Judgment day, he will argue with the LORD when God says "Depart from me..."

I do so miss mssr. marsh……….. sigh.  him and I used to wheelchair the divine ms. Sarah MacClendon around d.c., he to the jfk liars’ convention, i to the White House, where I would pass notes to Mike McClurry at the end of press conferences from her, like some grade-school kid !
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by Andrew Mason on August 20, 2026, 06:43:09 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on August 20, 2026, 04:10:32 PM
Another of your so-and-so said arguments and this one isn't even accurate. Ladybird said in here official statement to the WC:

"Then almost at the edge of town, on our way to the Trade Mart where we were going to have the luncheon, we were rounding a curve, going down a hill, and suddenly there was a sharp loud report--a shot. "

Notice she said they "were rounding a curve", not that they "had rounded the curve" which is a significant difference. The Z-film shows the VP car just beginning its turn onto Elm St. when Zapruder resumed filming. If Ladybird is correct, the first shot would have been fired in close proximity to that timeframe. Tom Graves believes it was fired a half-second earlier. I believe it was fired less than one second later. It doesn't matter which of us is correct. Either way it was fired well before your early Z190s estimate which would be over 3 seconds after Zapruder resumed filming.
I think most people would consider turning a corner as such and not "rounding a curve". That is especially so when there is actually a distinct round curve after the corner and it is on a downhill slope, whereas the corner appears to be level and the slope starts after the turn.  This can be confirmed from the Towner film and, to some extent, in the Hughes film. 

Besides, even if it is ambiguous, her evidence should be looked at in the context of what others observed. For example, Hurchel Jacks driver of the VP car said "My car had just straightened up from making the left turn".  SA Kivett riding in the VP security car said "The motorcade was heading slightly downhill toward an underpass. As the motorcade was approximately 1/3 of the way to the underpass, traveling between 10 and 15 miles per hour, I heard a loud noise".
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Why do JFK assassination forums draw so many nut cases?
« Last post by John Corbett on August 20, 2026, 06:29:35 PM »
Quote from: Brian Doyle on August 20, 2026, 05:35:33 PM

You are entering false information there because Jarman was very clear that Lovelady had told him he saw Oswald exit through the front door and get stopped by a cop and ordered back in to the Lobby...Jarman was quite clear that Lovelady told him he had witnessed this...Lovelady seeing this makes sense because films of the front steps after the assassination show Lovelady standing out there...What Lovelady saw was what Holmes heard and related...Lovelady saw Harvey being spooked out the front door by Lee who had stumbled in to the other end of the Lobby down the SE stairs...

What you are conspicuously avoiding answering is the fact that Lovelady lied and told Jarman that he then saw Oswald exit through the front doors anyway and leave the Depository...The reason the authorities covered this up in 1963 and at the HSCA is because they knew they could not answer why Oswald would be allowed to walk right out anyway right under the nose of a cop who detained him and told him to step aside and wait...The 1963 investigation wanted to avoid exposing Shelley's assisting Oswald around police detention and out the Loading Dock...The HSCA wanted to avoid Lovelady trying to plant a false story with Jarman in order to cover up Shelley's intervention...

Frazier's CSPAN admission that he saw Oswald exit the Loading Dock and walk down Houston St was deliberately avoided by Gary Mack, the media, and the authorities...Like with Lovelady, there was no inquiry why Frazier waited 40 years to reveal that...His admission that there was a partly-eaten cheese sandwich and apple on the 2nd Floor Lunch Room table after the assassination was deleted from the radio station archive he said that on and was also unaccountably not pursued in this false nation of America...I see you ignored it too...   

The cop who stopped Harvey was not outside the Depository...He was inside guarding the front door...He wasn't named because FBI and the Commission did not want any of the above to come out...

"Jarman was very clear that Lovelady had told him he saw Oswald exit through the front door and get stopped by a cop".  That's it in a nutshell. Jarman was speaking about something he heard, not something he saw. That is the very definition of hearsay. And where is the record of Lovelady saying he saw a cop stop Oswald? Nowhere. There is no record of that.

Everything else apparently came from the voices in your head. That too is hearsay.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on August 20, 2026, 06:26:15 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on August 20, 2026, 06:23:25 PM
troll

Says the guy who can't answer a simple question if it saved his life..... Hilarious!
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Last post by John Corbett on August 20, 2026, 06:23:25 PM »
Quote from: Martin Weidmann on August 20, 2026, 05:46:11 PM
And this is how a fanatical zealot desperately tries to avoid answering the actual question about the wallet brought in by Bentley being in Westbrook's office while at the same time Guy Rose was given a wallet, containing the Hidell ID, just before he became the first officer to talk to Oswald after his arrival at the police station.

troll
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on August 20, 2026, 05:46:11 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on August 20, 2026, 05:12:52 PM
I think you are continuing to invent cockamamie excuses to dismiss any and all evidence that Oswald was a double murderer.

All the credible evidence points to Oswald and Oswald alone.

You have never presented credible evidence that anyone other than Oswald was involved in either murder.

No one from the armies of CTs over the past six decades has presented any such evidence. Almost all of the efforts by the CT community has been to try to rebut the findings of the WC, not present any evidence that someone other than Oswald took part in the crime. Their case is a litany of excuses not to accept the overwhelming amount of evidence that Oswald was the assassin. None of these excuses has any validity.

And this is how a fanatical zealot desperately tries to avoid answering the actual question about the wallet brought in by Bentley being in Westbrook's office while at the same time Guy Rose was given a wallet, containing the Hidell ID, just before he became the first officer to talk to Oswald after his arrival at the police station.

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on August 20, 2026, 05:39:16 PM »
Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on August 20, 2026, 04:05:48 PM
It should be noted that in Officer Paul Bentley's 12/3/63 DPD memorandum, he said nothing -- not one word -- about finding a Hidell ID card on Oswald when he rode with Oswald to the police station. Said Bentley,

On the way to the City Hall, I removed the suspect's wallet and obtained his name.

Notice that not only did Bentley say nothing about finding a Hidell ID card but that he also said nothing about contacting the police dispatcher regarding the name Hidell, contrary to his later story.

It is also worth mentioning that when George O'Toole did a recorded interview with Bentley and checked Bentley's statements with the PSE (aka VSA) polygraph, the PSE showed hard stress when Bentley claimed that he found a Hidell ID card in Oswald's wallet and that he contacted the dispatcher about the name Hidell.

I think the story that the police found a Hidell ID card in Oswald's wallet on the way to the police station  was a falsehood that was invented to help explain away the finding of an Oswald wallet with a Hidell ID card in it at the Tippit scene.

I actually did not know that Bentley had claimed that he found a Hidell ID card. I don't think he did, because if he had done, he would have encountered two different ID's in a wallet without doing anything with that information. The police radio log also does not show any call to the dispatcher about the Hidell name.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Why do JFK assassination forums draw so many nut cases?
« Last post by Brian Doyle on August 20, 2026, 05:35:33 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on August 19, 2026, 06:10:32 PM
You just can't figure out that of the 8 billion+ people on this earth, you are the only one who thinks any of this is important. Why would the HSCA ask either Lovelady or Jarman to testify to an incident neither witnessed. They spoke of rumors they heard, not something they saw. There is zero evidence a cop stopped Oswald outside the TSBD. If you don't understand that, you just have no concept of what constitutes evidence. Hint: rumors are not evidence. That's all the help I am going to give you


You are entering false information there because Jarman was very clear that Lovelady had told him he saw Oswald exit through the front door and get stopped by a cop and ordered back in to the Lobby...Jarman was quite clear that Lovelady told him he had witnessed this...Lovelady seeing this makes sense because films of the front steps after the assassination show Lovelady standing out there...What Lovelady saw was what Holmes heard and related...Lovelady saw Harvey being spooked out the front door by Lee who had stumbled in to the other end of the Lobby down the SE stairs...

What you are conspicuously avoiding answering is the fact that Lovelady lied and told Jarman that he then saw Oswald exit through the front doors anyway and leave the Depository...The reason the authorities covered this up in 1963 and at the HSCA is because they knew they could not answer why Oswald would be allowed to walk right out anyway right under the nose of a cop who detained him and told him to step aside and wait...The 1963 investigation wanted to avoid exposing Shelley's assisting Oswald around police detention and out the Loading Dock...The HSCA wanted to avoid Lovelady trying to plant a false story with Jarman in order to cover up Shelley's intervention...

Frazier's CSPAN admission that he saw Oswald exit the Loading Dock and walk down Houston St was deliberately avoided by Gary Mack, the media, and the authorities...Like with Lovelady, there was no inquiry why Frazier waited 40 years to reveal that...His admission that there was a partly-eaten cheese sandwich and apple on the 2nd Floor Lunch Room table after the assassination was deleted from the radio station archive he said that on and was also unaccountably not pursued in this false nation of America...I see you ignored it too...   

The cop who stopped Harvey was not outside the Depository...He was inside guarding the front door...He wasn't named because FBI and the Commission did not want any of the above to come out...
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: CIA Wallets at Tenth and Patton
« Last post by John Corbett on August 20, 2026, 05:12:52 PM »
Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on August 20, 2026, 04:05:48 PM
It should be noted that in Officer Paul Bentley's 12/3/63 DPD memorandum, he said nothing -- not one word -- about finding a Hidell ID card on Oswald when he rode with Oswald to the police station. Said Bentley,

On the way to the City Hall, I removed the suspect's wallet and obtained his name.

Notice that not only did Bentley say nothing about finding a Hidell ID card but that he also said nothing about contacting the police dispatcher regarding the name Hidell, contrary to his later story.

It is also worth mentioning that when George O'Toole did a recorded interview with Bentley and checked Bentley's statements with the PSE (aka VSA) polygraph, the PSE showed hard stress when Bentley claimed that he found a Hidell ID card in Oswald's wallet and that he contacted the dispatcher about the name Hidell.

I think the story that the police found a Hidell ID card in Oswald's wallet on the way to the police station  was a falsehood that was invented to help explain away the finding of an Oswald wallet with a Hidell ID card in it at the Tippit scene.

I think you are continuing to invent cockamamie excuses to dismiss any and all evidence that Oswald was a double murderer.

All the credible evidence points to Oswald and Oswald alone.

You have never presented credible evidence that anyone other than Oswald was involved in either murder.

No one from the armies of CTs over the past six decades has presented any such evidence. Almost all of the efforts by the CT community has been to try to rebut the findings of the WC, not present any evidence that someone other than Oswald took part in the crime. Their case is a litany of excuses not to accept the overwhelming amount of evidence that Oswald was the assassin. None of these excuses has any validity.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Mary Woodward said there were 3 shots and the 1st shot missed everything
« Last post by John Corbett on August 20, 2026, 04:58:56 PM »
Quote from: Andrew Mason on August 20, 2026, 04:47:35 AM
I don’t have a theory. But I can tell you what facts are established by the clear preponderance of evidence:
1. there were three shots
2. the first shot was just after z186 and before z202.
3. the first shot struck JFK
4. the second shot was perceptibly after the mid point between the first and last.
5. the third and last shot struck JFK in the head
6. the above five points means that the second shot was perceptibly after z254.

I can’t tell you for sure what JFK is doing when we can’t see him other than to relate what witnesses observed him do or appear after the first shot. But that varies according to the vantage point of the observer. The only person in the same vantage point of Zapruder was Zapruder’s camera and it doesn’t show what he is doing. But I would suggest that it is reasonable to infer that between z193 and z225 JFK brought his right hand down, moved left and assumed the startled look we see in z225.

As usual, you are loony. JFK did not move left prior to Z225. That is something you made up out of necessity to try and salvage a fatally flawed theory. When JFK reemerges at Z225, he is still in the extreme right side of the backseat:

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z225.jpg

This is also where he was at Z193 when you claim he was hit by the first shot:

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z193.jpg

He does not tilt to his left until he has dropped his elbows which he does during the Z260s and by Z275, he is clearly leaning over toward Jackie:

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z275.jpg
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