JFK Assassination Forum

The Max Holland theory of a 1st shot fired from the TSBD 6th floor SE window just before Zapruder restarted his  camera at Z133, is a theory which is not supported by the vast majority of the ear witnesses , nor by the examination of the traffic light pole.

The closest ear witness right under the 6th floor TSBD shooter , Harold Norman, NEVER demonstrated that he heard 4 shots fired over 10-11 secs. At best , an LN may be able to claim that Norman’s  “boom click click” sequence is close enough to 6 secs in duration ( although it’s actually only about 4 secs).

It is ludicrous to suggest that Norman heard 3 shots spread over a 10-11 sec duration.

Earth to Major Tom. Your Max Holland theory is off by about 6 secs so please stop repeating that Rosemary Willis is looking back at TSBD at Z145 , because as your own posted link shows, SHE IS NOT looking back.

How about instead, try to demonstrate via scientific physics study, what the degree of probability that a 6.5 mm ball nosed fired from the TSBD SN window , striking the round surface of the traffic pole , would deflect to hit the manhole cover on Elm st.

Then prove the bullet shed its copper jacket after deflecting off the manhole cover , uprooted some grass without burying into the dirt, and that only a lead fragment traveled across the grass lawn of Dealey plaza to strike the curb near James Tague.

An actual physics study  of a  6.5mm ball nose bullet striking the round horizontal part of the traffic pole at the angle (whatever it actually is) , plus the velocity of the bullet , rotation of the bullet , and deflection probability angle, would be a more objective way of determining what the degree of probability is for Max Hollands theory.

Even if this hypothetical trajectory could be demonstrated  to be plausible by physics study, it still would not match with James Tague recollection that it was either the 2nd shot or the 3rd shot hitting the curb which caused his facial wound.

Perhaps you can discard that part of Hollands theory and stick with the other unsubstantiated LN theory that a lead fragment from the Z 313 head, hit the curb near Tague.

One last criticism of Max Hollands imaginative Traffic light pole obstruction theory is that it requires believing that a reasonably trained shooter like Oswald ( or conspirator shooter) would not notice the light pole in advance as an obstacle. It’s even more inconceivable that when the shooter lined up the iron sights ( or the reticle of scope) with JFKs body that he would not have noticed the light pole obstructing his LOS. It’s highly doubtful he would have squeezed the trigger at this intersection of pole and JFKs body as he observed it thru the irons sights or using the scope reticle.

All of the above refers to a shot or a noise to the (R). None of the above mentions anything about high or above, which one would expect to be attached to a possible shot fired from the 6th Floor sniper's nest. In my opinion, all of these witnesses are referencing a shot being fired from the Bushes/Shrubs/Garden which run along the Elm Street Extension. These are the same Bushes/Shrubs/Garden that DPD Officer Smith was filmed checking on the Darnell/Couch assassination films. This is the same Elm Street Extension that had two "wide open" Huge Gates that led into the TSBD on it. This is the same Elm Street Extension that had an abandoned car parked on it in a "No Parking At Any Time" zone. In my opinion, this abandoned car was intended to be a "getaway" car.

Dear World-Famous Comrade Storing,

1) Which was it: The Weeds, The Bushes, The Shrubs, The Garden, The Copse, The Woods, or The Forest?

2) Perhaps you missed it when Brian pointed out (in his article and in Fred's podcast) that a brief loud sound coming from behind and above a person is the most difficult for that person to locate.

3) How do you know that the person who parked their car there didn't work nearby, was trying to go somewhere during their lunch break and didn't notice the "no parking" sign?

4) Keep up the good work, World-Famous Comrade Storing!

-- Tom

   Perfect visual aid regarding the Zapruder camera NOT stretching down to the knee level. Plus, Zapruder had the camera strap stretching across his body. This would result in the camera hanging even higher on his body vs what we see above with Schwartz.

She wasn't. She was looking at the motorcade:

Since she isn't looking at JFK or Jackie, which other charismatic person farther back in the motorcade is she looking at?

LBJ?