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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Today at 12:59:09 AM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 10:27:39 PM
I don't know why I didn't think of that before but of course Oswald's view of JFK would have been blocked by the tree from Z166 until Z210 which make highly unlikely Oswald would have even attempted a shot at Z193. Why would he do that when he would have a clear shot at JFK if he just waited one more second. JFK cleared the tree at Z210 which is why the WC concluded that is the earliest time he could have fired the single bullet. In reality, he squeezed the shot off about a half second after JFK came into the clear. He might have been tracking is target while JFK was passing under the tree, but it would have been very stupid to try to force the shot before he had a clear line of fire.

This same line of thinking casts aspersions on the HSCA conclusion that the single bullet was fired at Z189. I don't know what they were sniffing when they came up with that one. I'll bet they based that conclusion on the flawed acoustics evidence and not on the genuine Z-film.
The FBI re-enactment in May 1964 was with the Oak tree after spring growth and will full leaves.  They also used the wrong car.  Even then, it showed the whole back of the car to be visible at z210.

The Secret Service film 10 days after the assassination showed the tree closer to as it was on Nov. 22/63.  It showed that JFK was quite visible at all times when passing under the tree and completely clear when he had just passed the lamp post and before he pass the Thornton sign which is between z190 and z200:
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Tippit Shooting At 1:15-1:16, FACT
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Today at 12:35:26 AM »
Quote from: John Mytton on Today at 12:30:58 AM
Wow, what a coincidence, like clockwork when Weidman's in trouble, here come his White Knight in Shining Armour! Hilarious! :D

JohnM

Weidman's in trouble?
 Thumb1: NO actually, he kicks your butt every time.


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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 12:34:11 AM »


JohnM
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Today at 12:32:28 AM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 10:15:04 PM
The truth is not up for a vote. There is only one truth whether a majority believe it or not. If a poll could decide these questions, we might as well drop this discussion now because a majority of people believe JFK died as a result of a conspiracy and that would make us both wrong.
You are right that it does not matter what people believe. But it does matter what people see. All I am asking is what they see.
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I don't know what you are looking at. There is no question JBC's head is turned far more than his shoulders. His head/shoulder relation looks very similar to what we see in JFK whose head is turned sharply to his right while his shoulders are turned slightly left of Zapruder's sight line. We can see the left side of JBC's face and we'd even be able to see his ear if the overhead bar were not blocking the view. If his shoulders were turned that far, we'd be able to see the outside of his left arm. Instead we have a frontal view of his chest.
If JBC's shoulders were not turned we would not see the right side of his shirt collar. A collar doesn't change with the neck. It follows the shoulders. We can't see the outside of his left arm because it is blocked by Kellerman (green lines):
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Tippit Shooting At 1:15-1:16, FACT
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 12:30:58 AM »
Quote from: Michael Capasse on Today at 12:27:30 AM
That's the nutter's  BS: right there.

Wow, what a coincidence, like clockwork when Weidman's in trouble, here come his White Knight in Shining Armour! Hilarious! :D

JohnM
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Tippit Shooting At 1:15-1:16, FACT
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Today at 12:27:30 AM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Today at 12:20:58 AM
This is what the CTs never understand. The case against Oswald never wasn't going to trial once he was pronounced dead. From a historical perspective, the only thing we should ask ourselves is whether a piece of evidence is the real deal. CTs act like they are trying to get Oswald off on technicalities. I've never understood that perspective. If you are interested in figuring out how JFK died and also Tippit, you shouldn't dismiss any evidence. You should simply be concerned with whether that piece of evidence helps to tell us what happened. On the other hand, if you are dedicated to arguing for Oswald's innocence in either murder, you just want excuses to disregard the evidence of his guilt. The problem with that approach is there is so damn much evidence you have to come up with lots of excuses. Sometimes you even have to invent excuses.

That's some nutter's  BS: right there.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Tippit Shooting At 1:15-1:16, FACT
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 12:20:58 AM »
Quote from: Bill Brown on Yesterday at 11:46:59 PM
Once Oswald was murdered and there'd be no trial, there was no concern for a proper chain of custody of the jacket.

This is what the CTs never understand. The case against Oswald never wasn't going to trial once he was pronounced dead. From a historical perspective, the only thing we should ask ourselves is whether a piece of evidence is the real deal. CTs act like they are trying to get Oswald off on technicalities. I've never understood that perspective. If you are interested in figuring out how JFK died and also Tippit, you shouldn't dismiss any evidence. You should simply be concerned with whether that piece of evidence helps to tell us what happened. On the other hand, if you are dedicated to arguing for Oswald's innocence in either murder, you just want excuses to disregard the evidence of his guilt. The problem with that approach is there is so damn much evidence you have to come up with lots of excuses. Sometimes you even have to invent excuses.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Tippit Shooting At 1:15-1:16, FACT
« Last post by John Mytton on Today at 12:18:20 AM »
Quote from: Martin Weidmann on Yesterday at 11:23:58 PM
....they "knew" they had their man?

Well, DUH!
Oswald was positively identified at the scene.
Oswald was seen fumbling with his gun and removing shells.
The shells seen being discarded were a 100% match to Oswald's revolver.
The cartridges used to kill officer J.D. Tippit were a mix of Winchester-Western and Remington-Peters .38 Special rounds, the SAME mix as found in Oswald's revolver.
Oswald tried to kill more Police when arrested.
Oswald was arrested with the same revolver that was purchased by him.

This insane need to find a cop killer innocent is psychotic!

JohnM
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The All-Important Curtain Rods
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 12:13:32 AM »
Quote from: Martin Weidmann on April 18, 2026, 01:17:26 AM
This is what a post by a pathetic fanatic looks like.

Don't be so hard on yourself.

On second thought, go ahead.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Nova "Cold Case" JFK
« Last post by John Corbett on Today at 12:11:45 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Yesterday at 11:38:17 PM
  So YOU of all people are pimping the, "major legacy news organizations"? You got Storing Derangement Syndrome (SDS) bad. A tell tale symptom being not knowing what you are saying.

I guess the sarcasm was lost on you.
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