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We can argue about whether JFK and JBC are exhibiting a reflex or cognitive response. What is unmistakable is that they are both reacting at precisely the same time and in the same manner by suddenly flipping their arms upward just 3 frames after we see JBC's jacket bulge outward. You want to write these events off as if they are coincidences. Another glaring example of how bad you are at weighing evidence.
I have explained ad nauseum why those actions are consistent with JFK reacting to the effects of his neck wound that began around z193 and JBC beginning his reaction to hearing it, just as witnesses described it. The reactions are occurring at the same time because the overlap but they do not begin at the same time. JFK began his reaction before z225. It is not a random coincidence. Their actions are their responses to the first shot.

You seem to think that anyone who disagrees with your interpretation of the zfilm is an idiot. That's an issue for you to deal with, not me.
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You are right.  We don't know if he was grimacing at z224.  We also don't know that he wasn't reacting like that during the second or so he was behind the sign.  Your common sense then is to assume that he wasn't.  Your "common sense" is to assume that it was just an amazing coincidence that the first time he grimaced was the first frame when he came into Zapruder's view. I suggest that your definition of "common sense" is not all that common.There is no evidence that JFK's reaction is a reflex.  A voluntary reaction will take at least 100 ms. to occur after the stimulus. A reflex reaction takes much less:  15-50 ms to start after the stimulus. So if JFK was shot at z223-224 as you suggest his reaction at z226 would not be a reflex.

We can argue about whether JFK and JBC are exhibiting a reflex or cognitive response. What is unmistakable is that they are both reacting at precisely the same time and in the same manner by suddenly flipping their arms upward just 3 frames after we see JBC's jacket bulge outward. You want to write these events off as if they are coincidences. Another glaring example of how bad you are at weighing evidence.
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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 11:12:16 AM »
Let’s see. On the left side of the scale we put 20 witnesses (there are at least four more including Zapruder, Clint Hill, Bobby Hargis, and Linda Willis) with different vantage points all saying JFK reacted to the first shot. On the right side we put Glen Bennett (his second statement, not his notes) and
your feelings about what you think you are seeing in the zfilm. Hmm. Which way would the scale tilt?
Drawing conclusions from 20 witnesses all saying the same thing is not blind faith.  Blind faith is your belief that your interpretation of the silent zfilm is more likely correct than 20 independent recollections.  Can you point to a single event in history where 20 independent reports of a simple observable fact got it wrong and zero reported it correctly?

By the way, if you think that an independent witness cannot corroborate another witness, you are wrong. You should also review your high school lessons on probability and statistics.

Herein is your problem. You put all your faith in fallible witnesses and reject what the Z-film tells you unmistakably. The Z-film is more reliable than 20 witnesses because it has perfect recall.

We don't have to look to other events to find more than 20 witnesses getting something wrong. More than 20 witnesses said all the shots came from the GK. More than 20 witnesses said all the shots came from the direction of the TSBD. They can't both be right. So there's your example of more than 20 witnesses getting a pertinent fact wrong.
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Like everyone else, I have puzzled over what happened to the three audible shots of 11/22. There may have been inaudible shots (simultaneous shots, or shots from a rifle with a silencer). Some witnesses heard four shots, but the most common account is "bang....bang-bang."

It does seem unlikely the TSBD6 sniper would miss the entire limo, and moreover the shot that hit a concrete curb hard enough to cause a fragment to chip off and cut James Tague's face is usually left unexplained.

The SBT-LNT theories are only theories, after all.

My best guess is first audible shot hit JFK, the second hit JBC, and the third JFK, as recounted by the Connallys, and which, in my layman's view, is seen in the Z-film.

I understand other JFKA buffs have different views.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.
 

We see JBC reacting to the first shot at Z164 just as he said he did and JFK is clearly not struck so it stands to reason that the shot didn't hit either of them. Almost immediately after they both reappear from behind the sign they both react by flipping their arms upward, after which JFK leans over to his left and JBC turns and dips to the right. Both have obviously been shot at that point. There is no evidence of any shots fired other than those fired by Oswald's rifle. There is no medical evidence of any shots fire from any direction other than behind the the two victims. There are no eyewitnesses who saw a gunman anywhere except the 6th floor sniper's nest. Why the hell would anyone believe there was a second gunman and why would they reject the SBT which is actually the Single Bullet Fact. It is the only plausible explanation for the wounds to JFK's torso and all of JBC's wounds. It did not require a magic bullet. It is the only explanation for those wounds ever offered that does not require magic bullet.
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Poll shows uneducated non-Democrats to be more prone to conspiracy thinking? Gotta be rigged, eh?

Polls don't tell us who killed JFK. The WC did that 62 years ago. Some people still refuse to accept it. That's their problem.
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Poll shows uneducated non-Democrats to be more prone to conspiracy thinking? Gotta be rigged, eh?
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Or Stu Sutcliffe.

I can name all the Kinks, so I'm at the nutcase end of the spectrum.

Lance, just don't go "postal" on us, please!



The Pretenders' song, from their first album, "Stop Your Sobbing" by Ray Davies -


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That is the case in my home state of Ohio. Governor Mike DeWine. a long time RINO, has created a moratorium on executions. He is on record as opposing the death penalty. There are currently 116 prisoners on death row. Vivek Ramaswamy, the favorite to win the governorship this fall, has said he will unblock the back log of death sentences. I doubt he will get the chance. I'm betting DeWine will commute all of those death sentences on his way out the door. Governors in other states have done that in the past and I fully expect DeWine to follow suit.

The Supreme Court only hears about 100 cases per annual session. After the least educated 29 of 30 states' voting majorities voted for
some more Trump in the White House, in November, 2024, Trump monopolized the Supreme Court docket with the best frivolous appeals
OPM could buy, along with his numerous attempts to have DOJ lawyers or the Solicitor General represent him personally in Supreme Court arguments
 in a parade of attempted unitary executive power grabs than he had during his first term in the White House. Imitating Trump,
"No one thought I could monopolize the Supreme Court's docket as 47th POTUS to an even greater degree than I managed to do,
2017 - 2021.
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Distracted by other obligations, I neglected my failing eyesight, as well as other medical issues, until I lost sight completely in my right eye and
experienced in my left eye cloudy vision with light sensitivity and washed out colors. Lens replacement by a retina surgeon in late May restored right eye vision
from unmeasurable to 20/30 on the eye test chart. Looking forward to less specialized treatment of the left eye soon by the ophthalmologist who had
referred me to the surgeon who repaired my right eye. I hope to begin driving before that and I am catching up on online information I was unable to
clearly read for the last several years.

Posting, after searching names with this forum's search tool to attempt to avoid redundancy, to share the surprising and sad news of the 2025 and 2026 deaths of JFKA researchers I had interacted personally or corroborated with.

Gone, but not forgotten, rest in peace!
Beginning with most recent deaths. :

William E,"Bill Kelly": https://aarclibrary.org/2026/03/07/in-memoriam-bill-kelly/
March 7, 2026, "In Memoriam" by Dan Alcorn, AARC President

Sandy Larsen : JFK Debate Education Forum Admin. https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/31686-our-friend-sandy-larsen-has-passed/page/3/#comment-578582
August 15, 2025

Just 9 days earlier, Sandy posted his respects to fellow Admin., Ron Bulman, on news of Ron's passing

Ron Bulman : JFK Debate Education Forum Admin.   https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/31668-our-friend-ron-bulman-has-passed/#comment-577891
August 3, 2025
https://www.microplexnews.com/ronald-bulman/

Joan Mellen Author Researcher Lecturer : https://aarclibrary.org/2025/07/07/rip-professor-joan-mellen/,
Died June 30, 2025
July 7, 2025 , "In Memoriam" by Dan Alcorn, AARC President
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/28/books/joan-mellen-dead.html Or https://archive.ph/d1aoX

Steve Logan : Forum member, Private Investigator, retired Boston PD Detective
After September, 2020
Earlier in 2020, Steve shared, in a PM to me on this forum, his bleak cancer diagnosis. Steve has not logged in here in nearly 6 years
and he has been absent even longer on the Ed Forum. In his last PM, he shared the extremely difficult surgery and other cancer treatment
he had already experienced. If anyone has more information as to whether, by some miracle, Steve survived his medical condition in 2020.
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One more "objective" one. Even if I'm just recounting these for myself, I find them infinitely more interesting and potentially of vastly greater significance than who shot some sleazy politician six decades ago. They fall into the category of what are called After-Death Communications, or ADCs, a category that includes a wide variety of phenomena. My introduction to these phenomena occurred after the death of my father when I was 21. In the only time I ever "heard" from him postmortem, he delivered, unmistakably in his voice, a simple six-word message that pretty much says it all: "I'm dead but I'm not dead." Those were the most important six words of my life.

Anyway, this is my most recent, just a few years ago. I had run an ad on Craigslist for someone to housesit our cats when we went on trips. The only response was from an older woman named Victoria. She was kind of a rough and down-on-her-luck character whom my wife really didn't like or trust, but she and I hit it off. Because she was down on her luck, I grossly overpaid her - $20 a hour to sit and play on our computer and feed the cats. We had only short personal conversations each time my wife and I left and returned.

One day, Victoria asked me "Did you buy any new little cats?" I have on the wall of the living room a display cabinet with about 100 little cat figurines that I have accumulated on my travels. She added, "I always look to see if you have any new ones." This became "our" bond, and I would show her if I had anything new.

I called to schedule with Victoria and was astonished to be told by her sister that she was in a hospice with an inoperable brain tumor and probably had only days to live. Our bond was strong enough that she had asked her sister to cover for her if I called and to ask if she could still sit for us if she recovered. I said of course she could - but she in fact died almost immediately.

Shortly after her death, my wife and I were preparing to go to lunch. She was in one bathroom taking a shower and I went into the other to take a shower. When I came out and walked into the living room, still draped in a towel, I was astonished by what I found. Not unlike my wife's teddy bear described above, one of the cat knick-knacks was sitting right side up smack in the middle of a rug, well away from the wall cabinet. It had absolutely, positively not been there when I went to take my shower.

But this was not just any knick-knack. It was a cat-shaped tea bag caddy that had been propped against the back of the cabinet with several figurines in front of it. Every time I got near it, it seemed, I knocked over one of those figurines. Not this time. All the figurines were untouched. On top of which, the cabinet sits above a five-foot bookshelf with decorative rocks on top that surely would have broken the tea caddy if it had hit them. I could not even fathom how this thing had got to the middle of a rug several feet away, sitting upright to boot, unless it had been carefully "floated" out of the cabinet. "Victoria!" immediately popped into my mind. She could not have picked anything in the entire cabinet that would more clearly have sent the message "This is not normal. This is something weird."

WAY more significant than whether LBJ and the CIA whacked JFK? I think so. WAY more significant. Multiply this ADC by 100,000 others like it, and it's WAY WAY more significant.
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