JFK Assassination Forum

  Down some serious "Joe" and clear your head. Again, the Dan Rather description of the opening of the Zapruder Film has been Cut Out.

He would not have ignored it after he heard two more and realized they were rifle shots.  That is absurd.  Not a single person said they forgot about the first shot, which Mary Woodward described as a horrible ear shattering noise, after hearing other shots and seeing what was happening. [hint: Zeon was humoring you in suggesting that his camera may have made him go deaf)

How can a person forget something they hadn't noticed five seconds before something they did notice?

With respect to possible alteration of the Zapruder film, the removal of footage showing the right side of the JFK limo turning onto/heading down Elm Street would qualify as an alteration to that film.

Dear Sonderführer Storing,

https://www.marktyler.org/mc63.html?fbclid=IwY2xjawK4zONleHRuA2FlbQIxMABicmlkETFFODdsRHVIa2RSUGZJNllFAR6Zx-0JB5zBmwy-qakJKtfLfY5vcW9V2IqOrNXjP-oezkHhb-av38NlRUa-uA_aem_2d95NRPz2dpt6k_03l7iYg

The three “Lead Motorcycles” we see turning onto Elm Street from Houston Street and passing by Zapruder in Z-132 are being ridden by Stavis Ellis, Leon E. Gray, and W. G. Lumpkin.

As Zapruder was filming Ellis, Gray and W. G. Lumpkin navigate the turn from Houston to Elm and ride their motorcycles past him, the Presidential limousine was a block away from the intersection of Houston and Elm, turning onto Houston from Main.

FWIW, the aforementioned three "Lead Motorcycles" were preceded about ten seconds earlier by five “Advance Motorcyles” ridden by Bellah, McBride, Garrick, Freeman, and Brewer. These five “Advance Motorcycles” weren’t “captured” by Zapruder because he hadn’t yet turned his camera on.

What's more important for purposes of our "conversation" is the fact that about 80 yards behind Ellis, Gray and W. G. Lumpkin on Houston Street was the DPD “Lead Car” driven by Chief Curry, and about 50 yards behind it was the Presidential limousine. 

Although Ellis, Gray and W. G. Lumpkin were “captured” by Zapruder, he didn’t “capture" the aforementioned “Lead Car” because he had turned his camera off at Z-132 to save film.

Factoid: It took the Presidential limousine about seventeen seconds to get from the intersection of Main Street and Houston Street to where we see it in Z-133, some seventy feet down Elm Street and heading towards Zapruder.


D'oh!


-- Tom

TG--

I wish I had the eagle eye of TG, as a copy editor.

Thanks

Huh?

The Nechiporenko book can be read here: https://archive.org/details/passporttoassass0000nech

As he points out in the book, shortly after the assassination the then head of the KGB (Vladimir Semichastny) secretly reported to the Politburo and personally to Khrushchev that that KGB did not recruit Oswald for any operation. They viewed him as too unreliable.

I could quote the Norman Mailer book, the Oleg Kalugin book (see below), and other sources that support the view that Oswald was *not* used by the KGB. But if you think that all of that is disinformation or based on disinformation - that Kalugin is really an agent for Putin - then never mind.

One point about Kalugin: He is, as far as I can tell, the highest ranking KGB agent ever to defect to the US. He was in charge of all KGB operations operating out of Washington and then was named head of foreign counterintelligence for the First Directorate. Has there even been a higher ranking KGB agent to defect? Putin issued a death sentence on him and he calls Putin a fascist war criminal *and suggests that Putin is a pedophile (!!). Kalugin writes in his book that Nosenko's defection caused all sorts of problems for the KGB (and himself); numerous agents were recalled (he was one) and several operations canceled; and that in response the Soviets issued a death sentence to Nosenko. And then went through great lengths to try and find him in the US in order to persuade him to return or kill him. Yes, kill him. Furthermore, he says that it was the policy of the KGB to NOT use fake defectors. Shorter: He says that Nosenko was a real defector, was a drunk, womanizing incompetent that was an embarrassment but was an agent. Hardly the type of person, it seems to me, that the KGB would use for such an important mission.

But again, if you think Kalugin's a fake defector than there's no reasoning possible.

*Correction: In a recent interview Kalugin repeated a claim made by Alexander Litvinenko that Putin was allegedly a pedophile. Kalugin doesn't make the claim and in fact told Litvinenko (who was later poisoned by Putin) that he shouldn't have made the allegation.

The Kalugin book can be read here: https://cdn.preterhuman.net/texts/government_information/intelligence_and_espionage/Spymaster.pdf

Dear Steve M.,

As you intimated on my recent thread, "Photo and Film Alterationists are the Sickest Puppies" (or words to that effect), you're a straight-shootin' Realist's Realist, all right.

Only problem is, you've apparently swallowed sixty-six years of KGB* disinformation regarding that world-class humanitarian organization's penetrations of the "evil, evil" CIA and FBI.

Truth-be-told, when I read the following five-page screed the other day I couldn't help but think of you.

I wouldn't be sharing it with you if I didn't think you're so well-read and so intelligent that there might be a glimmer of hope for you yet.

https://hal.science/hal-01152762/document

-- Tom

*Today's SVR and FSB