JFK Assassination Forum

1. As the Limo turns into Houston the Limo is in the sight for a fraction of a second and recentering after a miss is a pain in the ass.
2. As the Limo travels further down Houston and gets closer to the TSBD, the time for a shot gets progressively less.
3. When the Limo is passing directly by the TSBD, the increased angular velocity is at it's maximum so you can completely forget about the "closest" shot.
4. Which leaves us with the shot as the Limo travels down Elm being the easiest simply because of the incline and the direction of the Limo means that at this angle the Limo stays in the sights the longest and if Oswald misses reacquiring the target is much easier. It's all just simple physics.



JohnM

Yes. The stretch from z-222 through z-340 gives the best chance for a hit.

It would have taken the bullet about 2.4 frames of the Z-film to travel the 88 yards from Oswald's rifle to JFK's head so it was probably fired in the Z310-311 window. That's assuming an average velocity of 2000 fps for those 88 yards. I doubt that is an exact figure but I'm sure it's in the ballpark.
I believe that shot was fired at Z220 and struck about Z222. I base that on a 7 frame difference between the shot fired at Z311 and the camera blur at Z318. Of course if the shot was fired at Z310, that changes the arithmetic by one frame. Frame Z227 is badly blurred so that would indicate a shot fired at Z219-220. That fits with the jacket bulge at Z224 and the simultaneous arm raising by JFK and JBC at Z226.

Yes. I always use the time the bullet struck. Z-153, Z-222 and z-312 (Frame z-313 is clearly close to 20-55 ms after the bullet struck). I could instead use the time Oswald fired. Or the estimated time he chambered the round. But I go with when the bullet struck, or reached the vicinity of the limousine, as my convention, which most people do as well.

I think you are in the ballpark. For years I believed the shot was fired at Z151 based on the blurred frame Z158. However someone recently showed me better evidence that Zapruder reacted at Z155. Not only is that frame badly blurred but the frame jumps between Z154 and Z155. The same jump happens at Z226-227 and Z317-318.
The first shot, whatever frame it was fired at, was by far the most difficult of the three which would explain Oswald's miss. His target would have been almost directly below him, forcing him to raise the butt end of the rifle and fired downward at a target moving across his line of fire. I believe he would have been in a kneeling position because that is one he would have trained for in the Marines. Raising the butt end of the rifle probably would have forced him to raise up out of the kneeling position into a low crouch, an awkward shooting position. To make things even more difficult, he had the tree about to become an issue. He might well have rushed that first shot. That could cause him to pull the trigger as opposed to squeezing it. When a shooter does that, the tendency is to miss low. The shot didn't have to miss that wildly. JFK was on the extreme right side so a miss by a foot or more could cause him to miss everything.

I agree with this pretty much. I think a miss of a few feet, maybe 3 feet or 5 feet might be required. The bullet has to miss the side of the limousine as well, In the 1908 Olympics, shooters missed an entire target the size of a deer, and they had practice, I assume, at shooting at a moving target. And the angular speed was not as great. So i think it is quite plausible that Oswald could have missed by 3 feet, 5 feet or maybe more.

As far as if the shot was at z-151, z-152, z-153, z-154 or z-155, I have not looked into this too carefully. Knowing the approximate frame is good enough to get the angular speed.

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It is misnomer that modern firearms do not issue gunsmoke.

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Several modern, readily available ammunition brands are known for producing more smoke at the gun range, often due to the use of "dirtier" burning powders or specialized coatings intended for high-volume, cost-effective target practice.

Based on user experiences, here are the primary brands and types of ammo that produce noticeable smoke:
1. Winchester White Box (WWB)
Frequently cited as the smokiest and "dirtiest" commonly available range ammunition, Winchester's bulk FMJ "white box" ammo often produces significant smoke and residue.
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2. CCI Blazer Brass
While generally considered reliable, Blazer Brass is frequently noted for burning a bit dirtier than premium ammo, resulting in a distinct, moderate amount of smoke at the range.
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In addition, if a gun barrel has recently been serviced, or oiled, the fresh oil will be emitted along with the gunblast, in the form of smoke.

Snub-nose .38s were known for their loud noise, and gunsmoke, as the short barrel did little to mitigate noise and smoke. In general, the longer the barrel, the less noise and smoke.

You are likely correct in deducing LHO's M-C carbine was not the source of gunsmoke smelled in the GK area, in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA.

The wind was blowing from the GK area towards the TSBD--you see that in women's apparel, skirts, etc.

Dallas Police Officer Joe Marshall Smith was one of several witnesses and officers who reported signs of gunfire, including the odor of smoke, near the grassy knoll on November 22, 1963.

According to his testimony and subsequent accounts, Smith's experience included the following:

Response to the Area: Immediately after the shots were fired, Officer Smith ran from his position on the Triple Underpass towards the parking lot area behind the picket fence on the grassy knoll.

Smell of Gunsmoke: Smith reported smelling a distinctive odor of "gunsmoke cordite" in the area behind the fence.

The Imposter Incident: While investigating, Smith reported confronting a man in the area who appeared to be hiding or acting suspiciously behind the fence. When Smith approached and asked what he was doing, the man showed him Secret Service identification, though it was later noted that all authorized Secret Service agents were believed to be in the motorcade.

Testimony Limitations: In his official Warren Commission testimony, Smith noted that he didn't know exactly where the shots came from due to the echo effect in the area, but his instincts led him to the area behind the concrete structure on the knoll.

Smith was among a group of people, including railway workers, who reported seeing a flash of light, hearing a loud report, or seeing a puff of smoke near the picket fence on the knoll.

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The wind was blowing towards the TSBD from the Third Street Overpass...so LHO's M-C was not the source of that gunsmoke.

It is certainly plausible there was a smoke-and-bang show 11.22 at the GK.

Was it a snub-nose .38 that fired, only a diversion?

The fact that I suspect a gunsel at the GK on 11.22, does not mean I subscribe to Tehran- and Moscow-financed JFKA narratives, or elaborate JFKA plots and cover-ups.

I suspect LHO and couple guys, maybe G2'ers, took shots at the President. They got lucky on the motorcade route and layout. That was the whole plot, and LHO was dead soon enough. 

The G-2'ers, although acting independently, may have been waxed soon enough also.

The gunsmoke many smelled in the GK area strongly points to a gunsel there.

You said, "... smelled gunpowder as they were GOING PASSED the GK". The wind would Not permit a "drifting" gunpowder odor from the TSBD to the GK.

No, he didn't. He said "... smelled gunpowder as they were going past the GK."

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