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The flaw in your approach is that you put absolute faith in witnesses' ability to accurately remember a bewildering event that popped up out of nowhere and took place over a period of about 9 seconds. Do you think any of those witnesses at the time was trying to discern the spacing of the shots. For starters, many people did not even realize the first shot was a gunshot. Some didn't seem to hear it or if they did, thought it might have been a firecracker or a motorcycle backfire. So how could those people accurately describe the spacing? Then you have the witnesses saying there wasn't more than 2 seconds between the second and third shots. If those people are correct, there were two gunman. Oswald could not have accurately fired his rifle that rapidly.

In stressful situations, events seem to speed up. After the first shot which missed, a lot of people weren't even aware there was an assassination attempt going on. JBC was one of the few exceptions. Once they saw, JFK's reaction to being hit by the second shot, suddenly the gravity of the situation would have become apparent to those people. It's not surprising that those people thought it SEEMED like the third shot came much more rapidly than it actually did. Things aren't always what they seem. People's ability to perceive and accurately remember an event like that is going to be compromised. That's why I have far more faith in one witness, Zapruder's camera, than all the other DP witnesses combined. That witness was not surprised by what happened. That witness was not experiencing stress. That witness viewed and recorded the event as calmly and accurately as it would a child's birthday party.

Keep putting total faith in your witnesses. It wii prevent you from ever learning the truth of the assassination.
I might suggest that one of the flaws in your approach is that you would not raise those arguments but would readily accept the evidence of witnesses if it fit with the second shot SBT. 

The arguments could apply to all the facts observed by witnesses, including the number of shots, just like this  :

The flaw in your approach is that you put absolute faith in witnesses' ability to accurately remember a bewildering event that popped up out of nowhere and took place over a period of about 6 seconds. Do you think any of those witnesses at the time was trying to discern the number of shots fired? For starters, many people did not even realize the first shot was a gunshot. Some didn't seem to hear it or if they did, thought it might have been a firecracker or a motorcycle backfire. So how could those people accurately describe the number of shots?
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Then you have the witnesses saying there wasn't more than 2 seconds between the second and third shots.
The actual timing (z271-z313) is 2.3 seconds.  Would you expect any witness to say they thought they were 2.3 seconds apart? In whole seconds, not more than two seconds means less than three.
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Once again, it's for researchers and people familiar with the JFKA. We are pointing to those who follow the JFKA of where LHO lived in Fort Worth with the proximity of Clean Towels business. Good grief, we aren't saying because LHO lived near Clean Towel means it was connected with him.  ::)

This is a new one.. because Lee Harvey Oswald lived near a towel business, the truck parked in Dealey Plaza must have been connected to the assassination?? Riiiiiiight. You have quite the imagination!
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Did not Oswald supposedly make the bag out of TSBD paper and tape from the dispenser roll by that station on the ground floor of TSBD?

That would be Thursday morning  so that’s him planning something well BEFORE he had yet found out that Marina wanted a divorce.

For all Oswald knew, he was going home a day earlier this week because he hadn’t been able to see Marina the previous weekend because Ruth Paine was throwing a party and he had been told not to come.

That doesn't explain why he needed to come to Irving a day earlier than normal. That decision indicated a sense of urgency. Curtain rods wouldn't have created that urgency. A desire to see Marina wouldn't have created that urgency. Something else that was happening on Friday would have created that sense of urgency.
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So wouldn’t Oswald be optimistic? A guy looking forward to seeing his wife and kids , for a long 3 day weekend yet he is also planning a murder?

Some have speculated that if Oswald had been successful in persuading Marina to reconcile with him, he would have abandoned his plan to assassinate JFK. There's no way we could ever know that. We are left to guess as to what his motive was for killing JFK and whether a reconciliation with Marina would have changed that.
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He must have really wanted to move up from his mule job in the mafia to being a made man?

There is zero evidence Oswald was involved with organized crime. Or were you talking about Ruby?
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We brought up LHO and where he lived to inform people who follow the JFKA of where Clean Towel business was located in regards to it's proximity to where he once lived in Fort Worth.

This is a new one.. because Lee Harvey Oswald lived near a towel business, the truck parked in Dealey Plaza must have been connected to the assassination?? Riiiiiiight. You have quite the imagination!
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A google search tells me that Burt Griffin is still alive but he is the only one I've been able to verify. I know Arlen Specter has died and I'm pretty sure David Belin has too. Not sure about the rest.


I believe that Howard Willens is still alive. His book is very good and a very long oral history from Howard is available online from the SFM.

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The SFM also has his journal available. I feel like I learned a good bit about how the WC operated by reading his book.

Thanks for that information. I will look into it.
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Ben, you're not mentally well. Until you get some help, you're on ignore.

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I am surprized that there are so many John Corbetts around here & elsewhere (ie that believe the WC report)(that Oswald fired 3 shots).

I am at least as surprised that there are still believers in Donahue's Mortal Error theory. That one is ludicrous.
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Me myself i got into the jfk saga 4 years ago & (with the help of some smart fellas around here) it took me only a few months to see that Oswald's first shot ricocheted offa the overhead signal arm.
And (with the help of some smart fellas not around here) i could see that Hickey fired an accidental auto burst of at least 4 shots the last being the headshot.
I will write a short quick eezy jfk book.  Praps in late 2026.
I am busy writing a book on billiards at present.
And then i will write a book on elekticity.
And then the jfk book.

Stick with the billiards and/or electricity. We don't need another Mortal Error 2.0. Donahue was full of beans. There is no definitive evidence as to what the first shot struck. It MIGHT have hit the overhead traffic bar. It MIGHT have struck the pavement near the limo. There is no chance at this time that we are going to discover a piece of forensic evidence that tells us definitively what happened to that bullet. I happen to think the first shot, which was by far the most difficult of the three, struck the pavement and if so is the most likely cause of Tague's injury down range. The same thing could have happened if the shot ricocheted off the traffic arm. It seems less likely but possible to me that Tague's injury was caused by a fragment from the head shot that flew over the windshield before striking the curb in front of Tague. I also wouldn't rule out the possibility that Tague's injury had nothing to do with the shooting and was caused by a pebble being thrown up by a car traveling in the opposite direction. I've had to replace two windshields due to that. The problem with that explanation is it doesn't explain the apparent bullet strike on the curb in front of Tague.
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It is not just that they were closer. They were described as being in “rapid succession”, “not more than two seconds. It was - they were real rapid”, “real close”, “about one and one-half seconds after the second shot”, “just about as fast as you could expect a man to operate a bolt action rifle”. That doesn’t fit with 91 frames of the zfilm.

The flaw in your approach is that you put absolute faith in witnesses' ability to accurately remember a bewildering event that popped up out of nowhere and took place over a period of about 9 seconds. Do you think any of those witnesses at the time was trying to discern the spacing of the shots. For starters, many people did not even realize the first shot was a gunshot. Some didn't seem to hear it or if they did, thought it might have been a firecracker or a motorcycle backfire. So how could those people accurately describe the spacing? Then you have the witnesses saying there wasn't more than 2 seconds between the second and third shots. If those people are correct, there were two gunman. Oswald could not have accurately fired his rifle that rapidly.

In stressful situations, events seem to speed up. After the first shot which missed, a lot of people weren't even aware there was an assassination attempt going on. JBC was one of the few exceptions. Once they saw, JFK's reaction to being hit by the second shot, suddenly the gravity of the situation would have become apparent to those people. It's not surprising that those people thought it SEEMED like the third shot came much more rapidly than it actually did. Things aren't always what they seem. People's ability to perceive and accurately remember an event like that is going to be compromised. That's why I have far more faith in one witness, Zapruder's camera, than all the other DP witnesses combined. That witness was not surprised by what happened. That witness was not experiencing stress. That witness viewed and recorded the event as calmly and accurately as it would a child's birthday party.

Keep putting total faith in your witnesses. It wii prevent you from ever learning the truth of the assassination.
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You seem to be saying that since there were lots of witnesses who said there were three unevenly spaced shots and the second and third shots were closer together than the first and second ones, JFK must have been hit by the first shot because he started reacting before the "late" second shot had been fired.

Is that what you're saying?
It is not just that they were closer. They were described as being in “rapid succession”, “not more than two seconds. It was - they were real rapid”, “real close”, “about one and one-half seconds after the second shot”, “just about as fast as you could expect a man to operate a bolt action rifle”. That doesn’t fit with 91 frames of the zfilm.
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