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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gunman in the pergola window...
« Last post by John Corbett on March 21, 2026, 11:06:21 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on March 21, 2026, 07:30:18 PM
   There's a big difference between a witness giving testimony that is "wrong" vs a "lie". For you to describe Witt's testimony as "wrong" vs what we see on the Bronson Film, signals you are not completely familiar with Witt's HSCA Testimony. There's nothing wrong with admitting this, and your unfamiliarity regarding the history of the Bronson Film. For you to reply with a "So?", is akin to a blind man reaching out in the dark. There's also nothing wrong with asking specific questions.

If a person gives testimony that is demonstrably incorrect, they could simply be wrong or they could be lying. Perjury is when you give testimony that you know to me wrong and it is a serious crime. Most people when testifying under oath are going to try to give accurate accounts to the best of their ability. Human beings are fallible and don't always remember things exactly the way they happened. I have no reason to believe Witt deliberately falsified his testimony. I believe he testified to the event as best he remembered it. If it doesn't square with the film record, it doesn't prove he committed perjury. It means he had less than perfect memory which is true for all of us.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Education Forum Moderated by Anti-Semitic Crackpot---John Simkin is Aware
« Last post by Dr. William Niederhut on March 21, 2026, 11:04:46 PM »
There's too much John Mytton disinformation here to fix.  Read my 9/11 Science 101 posts.

1) Yes, Larry Silverstein slipped up when he admitted that he "told them to pull" WTC7 before it collapsed in a perfectly managed explosive demolition.

2) Yes, international demolitions expert, Danny Jowenko, confirmed that WTC7 collapsed in an expert explosive demolition.  Any idiot can see that.

      It collapsed abruptly to the ground in a symmetrical free fall.  No panicking of floors.

       Even Dan Rather called that no brainer on 9/11.

        Mytton doesn't realize that the NIST "pancake" commentary about WTC7 doesn't explain the free fall collapse to the ground.  The distance between upper floors remains constant during the collapse!

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: S. M. Holland's "Smoke" on the Grassy Knoll
« Last post by John Corbett on March 21, 2026, 10:57:28 PM »
Quote from: Marjan Rynkiewicz on March 21, 2026, 09:12:06 PM




https://sites.google.com/view/oswaldsfirstshot/home




https://sites.google.com/view/oswaldsfirstshot/home
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPNYhsVvFb7NjNyOvPCyTnGtmP3XpWWM2GN9PYxT-RiaYBjC1sygstEOSKU718Jyg?key=bmtZbEUzbERLb3l4TW5aeFBrem5tS1dzZVVuNm9B

Did you happen to notice the word "speculation" in the first paragraph of that memo. The alleged bullet hole in the floorboard is speculation, not a conclusion based on evidence.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: S. M. Holland's "Smoke" on the Grassy Knoll
« Last post by John Corbett on March 21, 2026, 10:52:56 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on March 21, 2026, 07:48:05 PM
     So the man demanding Evidence from others, now admits to pushing a: (1)"possibly", (2) "maybe" and (3) "open question".  The knot you are tying yourself into is not easy to watch.

I guess reading comprehension isn't your strong suit. What is? I have made very clear my positions on any number of issues. There are many things we know because there is a wealth of evidence for those things. We know Oswald fired the shots that killed JFK and wounded JBC. We know Oswald murdered JDT. There is a wealth of incontrovertible evidence to support all of that. There are things we don't know for sure because the evidence is either inconclusive or non-existent. By applying critical thinking to the available evidence, I know what we know and what we don't know. There are issues for which we do NOT have conclusive evidence. The best we can do for those issues is recognize the various possibilities while also recognizing we cannot come to definite conclusions for those things. Not having definite conclusions for some issues, does not preclude us for reaching conclusions for which we have defintive evidence. If you still can't understand what I am saying, try finding a fifth grader to explain it to you.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Last post by Tom Graves on March 21, 2026, 10:42:23 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on March 21, 2026, 09:35:59 PM
This is a Couch still frame showing two guys next to the "getaway" car. It was taken only 20 seconds after the kill shot. I believe these 2 guys were previously sitting inside the car. The Police activity around them has forced them to exit the car. It is physically impossible for any other two eyewitnesses to be in this same position only 20 seconds after the kill shot. They are now in the process of distancing themselves from this vehicle. This deserted "getaway" car was parked in a clearly posted, "No Parking at Any Time" zone. It would be sitting in this same spot for three-plus hours following the assassination.

Dear Royell,

Those two guys (one of whom is wearing a suit and a "pompadour" hairstyle just like William Shelley, and the other of whom has a receding hairline, a bald spot, and is wearing a plaid / striped shirt like Billy Lovelady) are not "next to" your mythological "Getaway Car."

Twenty seconds after the final shot?

How do you know it wasn't 25, 28, 31 or [fill in the blank] seconds?

The 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Abandoned Getaway Car" was left in a no parking zone for at least three hours?

Gasp . . . did the evil, evil Deep State bad guys eventually come and tow it away, or did one of their agents forget to hotwire it for that long?

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
« Last post by Royell Storing on March 21, 2026, 10:00:10 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on March 21, 2026, 09:06:53 PM
Dear Royell,

The shadows weren't that long at 12:30, when Wiegman "captured" on film your 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Getaway Car" parked next to the "island" between "Purse Lady" and "Fedora Man."

-- Tom

   Please do your research. The Couch still frame showing the 2 guys moving away from the "getaway" car, shows the Elm St Ext with shadows stretching across it. Even the Corvair parked on the TSBD side of the street has shadow on it. And that Couch still frame was taken only 20 seconds after the Kill Shot.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Last post by Royell Storing on March 21, 2026, 09:35:59 PM »
Quote from: Dan O'meara on September 28, 2025, 06:59:56 AM
Royell steered me to a Couch clip which is the best quality I've come across:



I cropped and blew up the two men:



There is a hint of something on the shirt in this image that may be a pattern but I wouldn't have an idea how to get it to stand out.
Maybe someone who knows what they're doing can have a go.

    This is a Couch still frame showing 2 guys next to the "getaway" car. It was taken only 20 seconds after the kill shot. I believe these 2 guys were previously sitting inside the car. The Police activity around them has forced them to exit the car. It is physically impossible for any other 2 eyewitnesses to be in this same position only 20 seconds after the kill shot. They are now in the process of distancing themselves from this vehicle. This deserted "getaway" car was parked in a clearly posted, "NO PARKING At Any Time" zone. It would be sitting in this same spot for 3+ hours following the assassination.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: S. M. Holland's "Smoke" on the Grassy Knoll
« Last post by Marjan Rynkiewicz on March 21, 2026, 09:12:06 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on March 21, 2026, 12:44:04 PM
How is a photo of a reenactment a source for your claim that there was a bullet hole the floor of the presidential limo? You are citing yourself as a source and everything you are presenting is argumentative, speculation, and circular logic.





https://sites.google.com/view/oswaldsfirstshot/home







https://sites.google.com/view/oswaldsfirstshot/home
https://photos.google.com/share/AF1QipPNYhsVvFb7NjNyOvPCyTnGtmP3XpWWM2GN9PYxT-RiaYBjC1sygstEOSKU718Jyg?key=bmtZbEUzbERLb3l4TW5aeFBrem5tS1dzZVVuNm9B





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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
« Last post by Tom Graves on March 21, 2026, 09:06:53 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on March 21, 2026, 03:35:31 PM
[...]

Dear Royell,

The shadows weren't that long at 12:30, when Wiegman "captured" on film your 1958 Pontiac Bonneville "Getaway Car" parked next to the "island" between "Purse Lady" and "Fedora Man."

-- Tom
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gunman in the pergola window...
« Last post by Royell Storing on March 21, 2026, 08:04:20 PM »
Quote from: Mitch Todd on March 21, 2026, 07:47:54 PM
What material conflict is there between Witt's testimony and the Bronson film? All I see so far are some vague claims that one exists, but nothing specific that can be examined.

   Thanks for being man enough to simply ask this question. Witt testified that he was sitting on the knoll when the JFK Limo surprised him as it came down Elm St. He jumped up and began moving straight toward Elm St as he simultaneously struggled to open his umbrella. He claimed by the time he looked up from his struggling with the umbrella, that the JFK Limo had already traveled passed by him. None of this is on the Bronson Film. The Bronson film shows Witt standing stock still with the JFK Limo not yet having reached him. Witt did positively ID himself on the photo showing Witt seated on the retaining wall with The Cuban. The Bronson film had not become  public at the time of the Witt HSCA testimony. The Zapruder Film also shows the Umbrella being fully open and pumped as the JFK Limo passed by the Umbrella Man. 
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