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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why are so many MAGATs attracted to the JFKA?
« Last post by Lance Payette on Yesterday at 01:24:22 PM »
Well, that was all certainly predictable.

Can we get back now to whether Oswald could drive, or maybe what Tippit was doing at Top Ten Records?

How about a little better Billy Meier UFO to get things back on track?

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: What Happened to State Dept'ers in Mexico Who Suspected LHO-Cuba Ties
« Last post by Lance Payette on Yesterday at 01:18:45 PM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 06:21:34 AM
OT side note:

Dulles famously told the WC that presidential assassibatios were all LN jobs.

That is true---all successful assassinations.

Abraham Lincoln? https://www.nps.gov/foth/learn/historyculture/the-lincoln-conspirators.htm

(John Wilkes Booth was an extremely successful actor and was once described as "the handsomest man alive." Just a bit of Lincoln conspiracy trivia. I visited Ford's Theatre in 2020 and, like Dealey Plaza, found it to be surprisingly small.)
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Why are so many MAGATs attracted to the JFKA?
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 01:11:17 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Yesterday at 04:16:06 AM
I suspect Hitler, Mussolini, Putin, Ayn Rand and you would say "Nein!"

None of them were German.
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What else would you like to add?

Mandatory sterilization -- or even better -- euthanasia?

You're referring to Southern Democrats, especially during "Reconstruction."

Gasp . . . were they in Queens in 1927, too?

Probably.

https://www.newyorkalmanack.com/2024/08/1920s-new-york-ku-klux-klan/
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How so, Adolf I mean Benito I mean Vladimir I mean John?

In 2024 the Democrats were comparing Trump's Madison Square Garden rally to a Nazi rally in Madison Square Garden in 1939, even though they weren't even in the same building. Your reply exhibits the same sort of double standards the left is known for. It's OK for them to bring up things from long ago but not OK for those on the right to do the same.

"One rule for thee and another for me" is the motto of the modern political left.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Does your CT dismiss the lapel / tie flap, etc?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 11:42:26 AM »
Lone Gunman Advocates tend to see things like the simultaneous rising of JFK's and JBC's right hands in Z-225 - Z-226 and the outward flap of Connally's lapel and tie in Z-224 (iirc) as indications that JFK and JBC were both struck from behind by CE-399.

If you're a Conspiracy Theorist, what do you see in the Zapruder film that leads you to disavow the Single Bullet Hypothesis?

JBC's continuing to hold onto his Stetson way past Z-222?

JBC's "speaking while turning around to see where the shot came from and whether or not JFK was okay" way past Z-222?

What?

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Ed Smith dang near spilled the beans
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 10:40:49 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 10:14:20 AM

It appears Solie was compromised.

"Compromised," or a mole?

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Letting Nosenko into the US was a relatively harmless exercise.

Not if FEDORA was a Kremlin-loyal triple agent at the FBI's NYC field office, and if Solie, Leonard V. McCoy, and Russia-born George Kisevalter were KGB moles in the CIA.

You are aware, aren't you, that after Nosenko was "cleared" by Solie he was given a gig at the Agency teaching "counterintelligence" to its and the FBI's new recruits?

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Lots of people though-out the national security state hid documents from the WC and the HSCA.

"The National Security State"?

You sound like Comrade Jim DiEugenio.

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Lots of people hid documents from the Warren Commission and the HSCA.

Did they arrange to have the incoming non-CIA cables on Oswald's upcoming defection rerouted to their office rather than where they would normally go -- the Soviet Russia Division -- and have the ones that mentioned Oswald's threatening to commit U-2 radar espionage disappear into a "black hole" there until after the assassination?

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For that matter, we have no idea what true or fake document are hidden in G2 KGB vaults, or which have been destroyed, which might shed light on Solie and LHO.

Point being?

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And there is plenty of evidence the WC wanted no part of any links between CIA'ers, LHO and the KGB or G2, or even considered that there might be some linkages.

Point being?

 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Ed Smith dang near spilled the beans
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 10:14:20 AM »
TG-

As stated, from a distance of 60+ years, it appears Solie was compromised, and that is the opinion of John Newman and  yourself. Tennent Bagley thought it was possible.

OTOH, letting Nosenko into the US was a relatively harmless exercise.

Lots of people though-out the national security state hid documents from the WC and the HSCA.

For that matter, we have no idea what true or fake document are hidden in G2 KGB vaults, or which have been destroyed, which might shed light on Solie and LHO.

A wilderness of mirrors, and lot of fog about.

And there is plenty of evidence the WC wanted no part of any links between CIA'ers, LHO and the KGB or G2, or even considered that there might be some linkages.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Ed Smith dang near spilled the beans
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 08:25:15 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 07:44:11 AM
Solie could have wanted to look compromised so he could leak bad info to the KGB.

LOL!

Is that why he "cleared" putative KGB staff officer / false-defector-in-place in Geneva in 1962 / false (or perhaps rogue) physical defector to the U.S. in February 1964 Yuri "The KGB Didn't Even Interview Marine U-2 Radar Operator Oswald During The 2.5 Years He Lived In The USSR" Nosenko in 1968 via a bogus polygraph exam and a specious report, is that why he helped probable mole Leonard V. McCoy "lose" Shadrin to KGB kidnappers in Vienna in 1975, and is that why he hid Office of Security files on Oswald from the Church Committee and the HSCA?

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I can see with my own eyes Governor Connally's apparently un-injured hand holding onto his Stetson at Z-275.

LOL!

Translation: You can definitely see something "that might or might not be."
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK Videos
« Last post by David Von Pein on Yesterday at 07:49:17 AM »
Here's the expanded 11/22/63 edition of the CBS Evening News with Walter Cronkite:

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Ed Smith dang near spilled the beans
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 07:44:11 AM »
TG:

Sheesh, we are 60 years after the fact in trying to decipher the Bruce Solie-Nosenko-KGB-Oswald stuff, and since everyone is dead, we only have access to (online) paper records, and what fraction of real info was ever put on paper?

I have respect for Tennent Bagley's work, and what I know about the man. I never met him and I don't remember meeting anyone from the CIA in my whole life. I might have back in the 1980s but I now forget if they were CIA or ONI.

But Bagley strikes me as intelligent and earnest.

I lean to Solie at least being compromised, and perhaps a full-on KGB asset. Of course, Solie could have wanted to look compromised, so he could leak bad info to the KGB.

Like looking through the fog on a dark night.

But then, I can see with my own eyes Gov. JBC's apparently un-injured hand holding onto his Texas Stetson hat at Z-275.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: What Happened to State Dept'ers in Mexico Who Suspected LHO-Cuba Ties
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 06:21:34 AM »
Mann was out of the service by 1967.

The important aspect is, Mann told the HSCA he had been blunted in efforts to pursue LHO-Cuba leads, and then he was quickly transferred elsewhere. Maybe those assignments were promotions, or maybe consolations. 

Here is my general take:

We have LBJ instructing WC'ers Warren and Russell to find out nothing that might trigger a nuke war (and those were hair-trigger days, see the CMC, 50/50 we get nuked).

We have the Katzenbach memo (11/25).

We have early memos from Hoover indicating he thought that the LN had been captured.

We have Mann and Thomas saying they were forcefully dissuaded from following LHO-Cuba leads.

I have reasonable doubts the WX/FBI prosecuted LHO-G2-KGB leads with vigor, or even much at all.

By the time the HSCA got on the case, the trail was 15 years old, and the HSCA was more Mob- and CIA-suspicious.

OT side note:

Dulles famously told the WC that presidential assassibatios were all LN jobs.

That is true---all successful assassinations.

but

Puerto Rican nationalists Oscar Collazo and Griselio Torresola attempted to assassinate President Harry S. Truman on November 1, 1950. The attack occurred at Blair House in Washington, D.C., where Truman was temporarily residing during White House renovations. The plot failed when security forces intercepted the gunmen before they could enter the building.

So, there have been serious conspiracies to assassinate Presidents, and one was hatched only 13 years before the JFKA.
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