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Doyle: "At the 40:52 mark when Frazier mentions talking to Stanton after Calvery shouted, "They've shot the president!" he shifts his body language and eyes to his right." (paraphrased)


ME:

He's constantly turning his head to his right to talk into the microphone and look at the audience.

Why does he say he walked down to the front step?

It seems as though his story is always changing.
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The man marked "Lovelady" is Molina...

The best resolution enlargements show Molina's bald pate on this man...

Lovelady also has a bald head.
I assume you agree that the woman this man is talking to is Gloria Calvery. If that is the case your identification is clearly in error.
Molina states that he interacted with Gloria and her companion inside the lobby.
Lovelady states he interacted with Gloria while he was still on the steps.
Frazier also recalls a lady, who can only be Gloria, coming up to the steps and telling everyone about the shooting in a distraught manner.
This is what we are seeing here.

You've also skipped over this part of my post:


So many researchers have swallowed down the 'sharpened' image supposedly identifying Shelley and Lovelady on the Elm Street Extension approximately 20-25 seconds after the shooting.
What these researchers reach for is the WC testimonies of these men in which they state they wandered along the extension after the shooting.
However, what these same researchers are willing to ignore in the same testimonies boggles the mind:

Both men state they remained on the steps after the shooting until Gloria Calvery came up to the steps.
Both men testified that it was at least 3 minutes until Gloria came running up.
Both men testified that they only left the steps after listening to Gloria talk about the shooting.
Both men testified that they then moved out to the "little old island" after interacting with Gloria.
Both men testified that it was AFTER they left the steps that they turned around and saw Truly and Baker still outside the building.

The WC testimony of both men is a tissue of easily disprovable lies. Lies disproven by the Darnell/Couch footage. Disproven by the Truly/Baker time trials. Disproven by the testimony of Victoria Adams who saw both men on the first floor approximately 60 seconds after the shooting. Disproven by their own same-day affidavits, which make no mention of this fictitious trip along the extension.


How do you reconcile the WC testimonies of Shelley and Lovelady with this image?
Also, the man in the image is not wearing the pure white shirt of Molina.




PS: I identify the woman in white as Hicks because I have a vague memory that a researcher talked to Carol Reed who said she had no memory of accompanying Gloria back to the steps. I also have the vague memory that researcher was you.


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Oh, OK, if the topic is the broader one of coincidences, I would agree that the JFKA is full of weird twists and turns and "seven degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon"-type coincidences. It sometimes almost seems like a Cosmic Whodunnit written by the Great Mystery Writer in the Sky - as though all of this surely couldn't have "just happened."

I like to use myself as an example. Before becoming involved in the JFKA, I attached no significance whatsoever to the fact that my grandmother knew the Dulles family or that one of my relatives - whose last name is my middle name (which was my parents' nod to my grandmother) - was Lorenzo Dow Baker, one of the founders of the the United Fruit Company. I also have in my study a completely innocent photo of me with William Webster, former director of both the CIA and FBI (FBI when the photo was taken). My wife "just happens" to be from Minsk, and her sister and late brother-in-law worked at the radio and TV factory at the same time as Oswald. Holy cow, how suspicious is all THAT? And yet, the reality is that it has pretty much nothing to do with anything.

This seems to be part of the conspiracy mentality - put everything under a microscope until nothing looks real anymore and poor old Ruth Paine becomes a major player in the JFKA.

I've had so many startling incidents of synchronicity - "meaningful coincidence" - that I started writing them down many years ago. I shared this one on Duncan's new weirdness forum. I happen to believe it was more than mere coincidence - but even if someone wants to argue it was "just a coincidence," it's still exceedingly weird and unlikely. Unlike the homicide cops, I definitely do believe in coincidences because I've lived them.

-Snip-


Lance, for 23 years I have felt like I was plucked, like a chess piece, out of a life and a relationship I was content to continue, and set down on the board I'm playing the game of
life on since then. I ended up where I came to recognize I was critically needed in the future. Maybe the feeling is just an internal coping mechanism, maybe not. I've experienced a sense of purpose that has filled a void I had not really sensed during my other life. I'll visit the weird events area of this forum and fill in the blanks.

You listed "Legend" by Edward Jay Epstein as one of the six books you felt, I assume, was a reliable source, or at least a decent starting off point for the uninitiated.

Epstein was the last known person, the year before the 1978 publication of "Legend", to interview George DeMohrenschildt, including on the day of George's alleged suicide.

The local detective investigating what was then classified as a suspicious death, requested Epstein's interview notes and or recordings. Despite paying Demorenschildt
$1000 per day and his car rental expenses, Epstein told the investigator he had not taken any.

I thought it was newsworthy, especially in 2013, with the 50th anniversary of the JFKA approaching, that the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle, a Gannett chain newspaper since
1928, be made aware that a hometown boy, Tom Devine, is described in HSCA records as meeting, on behalf of CIA, with DeMohrenschildt and Clemard Charles in NYC less than four weeks after what would be the final time the DeMohrenschildt couple ever visited with the Oswald couple, on Easter Sunday, 1963. DeMohrenschildt later wrote that he had asked, "Lee, how did you miss," referring to the attempt on Edwin Walker. George Dem's wife, Jean was on record as seeing the rifle that day.

I emailed that newspaper's investigative reporter. I soon received an email reply from that reporter's editor. He shared that his late father, a Chinese language linguist, had held
a high position in the early days of the JFK library. The editor's father had persuaded his son that DeMohrenschildt had a very minor role and was therefore, not newsworthy.

Unlike humans, horses are not born with blinders on. Local newspapers, as Upton Sinclair pointed out in his self published, "The Brass Check" do not report on otherwise newsworthy details of local department stores or car dealers, the largest contributors to keeping the lights on in the news room. Mr. Devine was still too influential at that point
to risk ruffling the feathers of.
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Minute mark 40:52 -

Frazier ends the issue...

Totally ignored by the Prayer Man cheaters...

When Frazier remembers talking to Stanton after Calvery shouted they have shot the president he shifts his body language and eyes to his right...
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High Tech enhancement of the 6th Floor Museum's 1st generation copy of Darnell will clearly reveal the man is Molina...

We know this is true because Lovelady is fast walking up the Elm St extension at this time...

The man marked Shelley in this image obviously has too thick a body shape to be the tall and thin Shelley...Besides, we know Shelley is fast walking up the extension at this time...
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Frazier saying Stanton was deepest in to the shadows on the front steps...

Stanton not being seen to Frazier's left in Altgens 6 and the first frames of Wiegman...

The Hughes Film showing Stanton up behind Lovelady in the Prayer Man spot...

Stanton in Owens matching Prayer Man's height...

The Davidson Enhancement showing Stanton's chubby face on Prayer Man in Wiegman...

And the 6th Floor Museum's 1st generation copy of Darnell showing a dress neckline on Prayer Man all pretty much cinch it...

 How about we start with your very 1st claim above? What is the SOURCE and WHEN did Frazier say that Stanton was deepest in to the shadows on the front steps. Frazier's story has changed many times over the years.
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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: Quoting Common Sense
« Last post by David Von Pein on Yesterday at 02:14:56 AM »

"Several factors make it clear that Kennedy and Connally WERE struck by the same bullet. There's absolutely no evidence of the existence of any separate bullet hitting Connally." -- Vincent Bugliosi; 1986
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We've had this discussion before. Even if Oswald only had a 5% chance of hitting his target, that's a better chance than if he didn't take the shot at all. He still had the later shots if he missed with that shot.

Oswald set up a very effective perch to fire down Elm St. I think that was his primary plan all along. But as his target approached on Houston St., I would think he would start contemplating whether taking that early shot made sense. He only had a limited amount of time to make the decision. While neither of us can know for sure what Oswald's intention was on the first shot, I can certainly understand why he would decide to take that awkward shot.

I didn't go to the trouble of creating a model of the sniper's nest but I did use a few objects to kinda sorta give me an idea the challenges that first shot would have presented in addition to the angular velocity. I have a Sears Ted Williams Model 53 .30-06 bolt action rifle which is actually a Winchester Model 70 which they slapped the Williams name on it back in the day when Sears hired Ted Williams to endorse their line of hunting and fishing equipment. Sears did that with lots of brand name products that they sold under the Sears name. It has a top mounted scope. I don't know how the trigger pull compares with the Carcano but it seems to me with my rifle, it would take a pretty good jolt for me to accidentally fire the rifle. I would think that if Oswald didn't intend on taking the early shot, there would be no reason for him to move around much. I think it would make more sense to set up in his intended shooting position and begin tracking JFK in his scope as he was passing under the tree. I don't see an early accidental discharge to be likely if he was doing that.

I'm curious as to what the minimum distance setting Oswald's scope allowed. I wonder if it could even be adjusted down to 100 yards. Do you have any information on that?


I'm curious as to what the minimum distance setting Oswald's scope allowed. I wonder if it could even be adjusted down to 100 yards. Do you have any information on that?

LHO’s scope is a very simple scope. I have a somewhat similar one mounted on a precision air rifle that is zeroed-in for about 40-feet. The target is far from in sharp focus at that distance. But it isn’t necessary for the target to be in sharp focus in order to hit it. See the group of five shots in the image below. I shot these just recently after not shooting for about six months.

LHO was very frugal. He paid extra dollars for the scope. And it appears he intended to use it for the attempt on Walker. Based on the FBI’s tests at 100-yards, the scope was only slightly off at 100-yards when they tried to zero it at that distance. At 100-feet (1/3 of 100-yards), it appears to me that there should be no problem with zeroing the scope.

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The man marked "Lovelady" is Molina...

The best resolution enlargements show Molina's bald pate on this man...

Molina's testimony said he wandered over from his position on the east side of the top platform towards the west side after the shots and then exited down the steps on his way to the Knoll...

Lovelady is fast walking up to the Knoll on the extension at the time of this image...

   Disagree. Above is very close to where Lovelady was standing on Altgens 6. Also, I believe there are images of Molina being loaded into a DPD Cop Car. Molina looks nothing like the Lovelady figure above.
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The title of this thread might be too broad..,
 More coincidences ?

Oh, OK, if the topic is the broader one of coincidences, I would agree that the JFKA is full of weird twists and turns and "seven degrees of separation from Kevin Bacon"-type coincidences. It sometimes almost seems like a Cosmic Whodunnit written by the Great Mystery Writer in the Sky - as though all of this surely couldn't have "just happened."

I like to use myself as an example. Before becoming involved in the JFKA, I attached no significance whatsoever to the fact that my grandmother knew the Dulles family or that one of my relatives - whose last name is my middle name (which was my parents' nod to my grandmother) - was Lorenzo Dow Baker, one of the founders of the the United Fruit Company. I also have in my study a completely innocent photo of me with William Webster, former director of both the CIA and FBI (FBI when the photo was taken). My wife "just happens" to be from Minsk, and her sister and late brother-in-law worked at the radio and TV factory at the same time as Oswald. Holy cow, how suspicious is all THAT? And yet, the reality is that it has pretty much nothing to do with anything.

This seems to be part of the conspiracy mentality - put everything under a microscope until nothing looks real anymore and poor old Ruth Paine becomes a major player in the JFKA.

I've had so many startling incidents of synchronicity - "meaningful coincidence" - that I started writing them down many years ago. I shared this one on Duncan's new weirdness forum. I happen to believe it was more than mere coincidence - but even if someone wants to argue it was "just a coincidence," it's still exceedingly weird and unlikely. Unlike the homicide cops, I definitely do believe in coincidences because I've lived them.

Complex incidents of synchronicity - "meaningful coincidence" or what Jung called an "acausal connecting principle" - absolutely fascinate me. In 2007, I was a widower awaiting the arrival of my fiance from Belarus. I had ordered from art.com some eight pieces of art to freshen up the house. I was online looking at them. I asked my paralegal across the hall, named Vicki, if she'd ever seen the site. Looking over my shoulder, she asked "Do they have anything by Gustav Klimt?" I brought up what they had, and Vicki said "Oh, my God, 'The Kiss' - that's my favorite painting!" OK, whatever. A week later, I was awaiting the arrival of the final piece - a droll Victorian print of Mama Cat teaching her studious-looking children how to catch mice. It arrived. I looked at the shipping invoice - yep, here it was. I opened the box and pulled out "The Kiss" by Gustav Klimt. What??? I just about fainted. I got back online to make sure I hadn't gone into some sort of trance and ordered "The Kiss." Nope. I contacted art.com. "Eh, mistakes sometimes happen at the warehouse. Send it back." I asked Vicki if she wanted it, but $300 was too much for her. Fast-forward some five years. I had retired (working from home) and Vicki had died. Some good friends from out of town were visiting to go to lunch. My wife was still getting ready. We were standing right in front of the print of Mama Cat, so I told them my "The Kiss" story. We drove to the restaurant at an historic hotel down the road. They have a gift shop and a little book nook where they sell books on local history and whatnot. While the others were in the gift shop, I stuck my head in the book nook. There was a little table with exactly one book sitting upright on it: a metallic gold dustjacket with "GUSTAV KLIMT" in big red letters. I have no idea what a book on Klimt would have been doing there. I just about fainted again and of course bought it. Weird.
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