JFK Assassination Forum

Too bad that Frazier testified that he never payed much attention to the Oswald's rifle bag. Try again! Hehehe!

Mr. BALL - All right. When you got in the car did you say anything to him or did he say anything to you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that.

Mr. BALL - Did it look to you as if there was something heavy in the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I didn't pay much attention to the package because like I say before and after he told me that it was curtain rods and I didn't pay any attention to it, and he never had lied to me before so I never did have any reason to doubt his word.

Mr. BALL - Well, from the way he carried it, the way he walked, did it appear he was carrying something that had more than the weight of a paper?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I say, you know like I say, I didn't pay much attention to the package other than I knew he had it under his arm and I didn't pay too much attention the way he was walking because I was walking along there looking at the railroad cars and watching the men on the diesel switch them cars and I didn't pay too much attention on how he carried the package at all.

Mr. BALL - You will notice that this bag which is the colored bag, FBI Exhibit No. 10, is folded over. Was it folded over when you saw it the first time, folded over to the end?
Mr. FRAZIER - I will say I am not sure about that, whether it was folded over or not, because, like I say, I didn't pay that much attention to it.

Mr. BALL - But are you sure that his hand was at the end of the package or at the side of the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Like I said, I remember I didn't look at the package very much, paying much attention, but when I did look at it he did have his hands on the package like that.

Mr. BALL - Mr. Frazier, we have here this Exhibit No. 364 which is a sack and in that we have put a dismantled gun. Don't pay any attention to that. Will you stand up here and put this under your arm and then take a hold of it at the side?
Now, is that anywhere near similar to the way that Oswald carried the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, you know, like I said now, I said I didn't pay much attention--

JohnM

Too bad that Frazier testified that he never payed much attention to the Oswald's rifle bag. Try again! Hehehe!

You don't have to pay much attention to a package to see how somebody carried it.

Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I say, you know like I say, I didn't pay much attention to the package other than I knew he had it under his arm

But you are repeating yourself. You've already used this argument and it didn't work back then, so why do you think repeating it would work?

Be original and try something new!

And this random bag with Oswald's prints was made to perfectly fit the rifle. OOPS!



JohnM

It just didn't fit between the cup of Oswald's hand and his shoulder.... OOPS!

Dear Martin,

Why are you such a jerk?

-- Tom

I guess it rubs off when I'm dealing with jerks.

I'm actually quite nice, when people treat me in a similar way.

Now why are you such a jerk?

It is truly amazing how LN nuts like Graves and Mytton are completely unable to provide a solid argument in support of a particular piece of evidence, yet write post after post about anything except the evidence and the actual case.

Hmmmm... could that be because they know they have nothing more to offer except what they believe without being unable to explain or defend it?

Sorry Martin but Frazier repeatedly says he didn't pay much attention to Oswald's bag. Try again.

Mr. BALL - All right. When you got in the car did you say anything to him or did he say anything to you?
Mr. FRAZIER - Let's see, when I got in the car I have a kind of habit of glancing over my shoulder and so at that time I noticed there was a package laying on the back seat, I didn't pay too much attention and I said, "What's the package, Lee?"
And he said, "Curtain rods," and I said, "Oh, yes, you told me you was going to bring some today."
That is the reason, the main reason he was going over there that Thursday afternoon when he was to bring back some curtain rods, so I didn't think any more about it when he told me that.

Mr. BALL - Did it look to you as if there was something heavy in the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I will be frank with you, I didn't pay much attention to the package because like I say before and after he told me that it was curtain rods and I didn't pay any attention to it, and he never had lied to me before so I never did have any reason to doubt his word.

Mr. BALL - Well, from the way he carried it, the way he walked, did it appear he was carrying something that had more than the weight of a paper?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, I say, you know like I say, I didn't pay much attention to the package other than I knew he had it under his arm and I didn't pay too much attention the way he was walking because I was walking along there looking at the railroad cars and watching the men on the diesel switch them cars and I didn't pay too much attention on how he carried the package at all.

Mr. BALL - You will notice that this bag which is the colored bag, FBI Exhibit No. 10, is folded over. Was it folded over when you saw it the first time, folded over to the end?
Mr. FRAZIER - I will say I am not sure about that, whether it was folded over or not, because, like I say, I didn't pay that much attention to it.

Mr. BALL - But are you sure that his hand was at the end of the package or at the side of the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Like I said, I remember I didn't look at the package very much, paying much attention, but when I did look at it he did have his hands on the package like that.

Mr. BALL - Mr. Frazier, we have here this Exhibit No. 364 which is a sack and in that we have put a dismantled gun. Don't pay any attention to that. Will you stand up here and put this under your arm and then take a hold of it at the side?
Now, is that anywhere near similar to the way that Oswald carried the package?
Mr. FRAZIER - Well, you know, like I said now, I said I didn't pay much attention--

•Just because Oswald worked in the building doesn't mean he has to touch every single surface, I don't believe that was a job requirement. But anyway out of the thousands of things Oswald could have touched he touched a brown paper rifle sized bag and in addition he placed fresh prints, which the FBI concluded were within a couple of days, on the recently moved rifle rest boxes. Try convincing a jury that it was just a random coincidence. Good luck with that.

• And it's not Oswald's rifle, really? The rifle he ordered, purchased, was sent and possessed?





• The FBI determined that the print that Lt. Day took on the 22nd came from the rifle, and thus proves that Oswald's print was on the rifle.



OMG, what a coward, you were wrong and I proved you are wrong! Just be a Man and own up to your lack of legal knowledge.

JohnM

Sorry Martin but Frazier repeatedly says he didn't pay much attention to Oswald's bag.

And still he maintains after all these years that Oswald carried the bag in the cup of his hand and under his shoulder. Deal with it!

•Just because Oswald worked in the building doesn't mean he has to touch every single surface, I don't believe that was a job requirement. But anyway out of the thousands of things Oswald could have touched he touched a brown paper rifle sized bag and in addition he placed fresh prints, which the FBI concluded were within a couple of days, on the recently moved rifle rest boxes. Try convincing a jury that it was just a random coincidence. Good luck with that.

Who said Oswald had to touch every surfice?

Oswald was working on the 6th floor. The bag was made from TSBD materials and found on the sixth floor. There are all sorts of ways his print could have gotten on that bag. The evidentiary value is strongly reduced because of this fact. What I find more interesting is that Oswald is supposed the have folded the bag before leaving it at the sniper's nest. So why are there not more of his prints on that bag? Ever thought about that?   

• And it's not Oswald's rifle, really? The rifle he ordered, purchased, was sent and possessed?

I'm sure you believe it was Oswald's rifle. Until you come up with something more that the known propaganda, I'm not wasting my time on this BS

• The FBI determined that the print that Lt. Day took on the 22nd came from the rifle, and thus proves that Oswald's print was on the rifle.

Is that the print the FBI couldn't find on the rifle in the night after the assassination or the one Day claimed days later that he took from the rifle?