JFK Assassination Forum

Since some are perhaps not familiar with Greg Doudna's off-Broadway production "The Walker Follies," here it is in a nutshell from one of Greg's recent posts at the Ed Forum:

The reconstruction in the staged shot is that Walker was signaled by man No. 1 who was standing in the southwest end of the church parking lot away from his car with its engine running and headlights turned on a short distance away, standing near the wooden stockade fence over which Kirk Coleman would climb and look seconds later after the shot. Walker could see man No. 1 through the north-facing window right next to where Walker was sitting at his desk. When signaled by man No. 1, Walker would drop to the floor. In the alley, after man No. 1 signaled to them, Surrey and Oswald have a rifle and one of them--since Surrey is in command, was more experienced with shooting, and was protective of Walker's safety, probably was the actual shooter, rather than Oswald—fires a single shot through the west-facing window at where Walker's head would have been if Walker were sitting normally at his desk--then hands the rifle to Oswald who runs off with it in the other direction, while Surrey takes a few steps out into the parking lot and is seen by Coleman walking to his parked car to drive away normally.

Your first sanity check: Could you read that without giggling? If you could not - indeed, you giggled, tittered, chuckled and guffawed - you pass. MTG apparently did not pass. Did not pass big-time.

If Walker - whom, you hopefully understand, is an active participant in the Follies - wants to stage an assassination attempt, WHY THE HELL is ANY of this elaborate scenario required??? And MTG takes this nuttiness even further and has hitting the window frame somehow EVIDENCE it was a staged attempt. I mean, WHAT???

If Doudna and MTG, both of whom are educated and intelligent, are actually serious, they have more loose screws than ACE Hardware. And people like Tom Gram think Greg is really onto something here. WHAT???

I keep waiting for folks who posit these silly scenarios to say "Hey, of course, I'm just goofing around, playing with ideas just for fun." But they never do.

Why do I mostly not engage with MTG's dark "facts"? Because his underlying theories are irrational to the point of "this guy belongs in an institution."

Why do people not understand that the THRESHOLD inquiry is:

DOES THAT MAKE ANY SENSE WHATSOEVER OUT HERE IN THE REAL WORLD?

The problem with the lunatic fringe of conspiracy theorizing, which is where MTG and Doudna are solidly ensconced, is that they DON'T EVEN CARE if it makes sense.

It’s just the opposite Jack, the higher quality photo from a side angle shows us that there is absolutely no flare out on the mouth of CE 543. And furthermore, when we now compare the two top view photos of CE 543 and the HSCA test cartridge #2, we can now see how very similar they actually are. I am now of the strong opinion that the rear bridge caused both dents.

You started the thread already convinced because you are an early missed shot advocate, desperately trying to salvage the theory. Nothing more. If you can be convinced by what you have posted you can be convinced of anything and already have been. Just look at your track record on other subjects. There is the assassination and then there is your assassination.

The CE 543 shell is flared at the top and on both sides. Maybe you missed that. 

The early missed shot nonsense is never going to work. Look at what that belief has led you to do just on this thread. It is not my lot in life to educate you. It looks like a fool's game to try.

The best thing the Republicans have going for them is that they are not Democrats. The electorate is pissed at the GOP largely due to the recent spike in inflation, mainly driven by high gas prices. That doesn't mean they have fallen in love with the  Democrats. They haven't forgotten how bad things were under Biden and the Democrat Congress. The approval rating for the Democrat Party is still significantly lower than Trump's. I think a lot of voters are going to sit this one out or vote third party. The one thing the Democrats probably have going for them is a more energized base. IOW, their voters are more pissed off than the GOP base. The PO factor drives turnout. I'm old enough to remember the 2022 midterms which were supposed to be a red wave and turned out to be a red trickle. I think the same thing could happen to the Democrats this time around. Only time will tell.

The Dems have one thing going for them.  The impact of the decades long anti-Trump propaganda campaign.  I would say 50-70% of the population has been influenced.  Strangely, not the usual suspects on the left but many older, white, college educated types who have been convinced that Trump hating is a noble cause.  They can go out for an hour on "No King's" day and then knock off for a swanky lunch before returning to their gated communities.  They are not personally affected by the loony leftist policies they espouse.  They can't articulate exactly why they are obsessed with and hate Trump.  Rather, they can only repeat generalizations.  It's virtue signaling to show how much they hate Trump.  The younger anarchist types who protest ICE are all very unhappy and angry people.   Some of them likely get paid or at least funded to attend these riots and cause chaos but they all seem unhappy with their lives and channel that self-loathing to these events that lend themselves to venting that anger.

Here is the bullet hole in the front of JBC’s jacket:



This indicates that the bullet was still intact when exiting the chest.

However, if the evidence of Greer that he sensed an impact sound of something hitting in the car on the second shot and if Tague’s recollection of being struck by a fragment on the second shot are correct, then the bullet must have fragmented on striking the back of the wrist. The jagged and long hole in the back of the french cuff is consistent with irregular shaped fragments deflecting off the back of the wrist.

The bullet fragments created by forceful impact on the radius bone will necessarily deflect away from the point of contact on the radius.

If a still intact bullet struck the back of the wrist and this impact caused the bullet to fragment then all the fragments would have deflected away from the point of contact. That would have been upward and a bit to the left if it struck the wrist around z270. A fragment of bone could have penetrated through the skin on the volar side but not a bullet fragment created by the impact on the radius.

If that occurred, there was no bullet fragment that passed through the wrist. And, therefore, no bullet hole in the hat.

A whole lot of ifs there. I counted five but I might have missed one or two.

Here's what really happened with no ifs:

CE399 was the second bullet Oswald fired at JFK. It struck high on JFK's back about two inches right of his spine and exited from just below his Adam's apple. It began tumbling as it exited and entered JBC's back near his right armpit traveling almost sideways making an elongated entrance wound. It exited JBC's chest just below his right nipple, taking out a section of rib and continued tumbling. It struck JBC's right wrist traveling almost backward, depositing small lead fragments from lead core which was exposed at the base of the bullet. From there, it made a shallow penetration into JBC's left thigh before working it's way out and was discovered at Parkland Hospital on a gurney.

No if, ands, or buts needed.

As dented in as CE 543 is, your previous post proves it is flared out. Thanks for posting the picture of CE 543 from the top. Clears this up.

Gave up on your chamber mark theory being caused by the rear receiver bridge? Too ridiculous? Too similar to being a believer in an early missed shot?

It’s just the opposite Jack, the higher quality photo from a side angle shows us that there is absolutely no flare out on the mouth of CE 543. And furthermore, when we now compare the two top view photos of CE 543 and the HSCA test cartridge #2, we can now see how very similar they actually are. I am now of the strong opinion that the rear bridge caused both dents.