JFK Assassination Forum

Dan Rather verified on multiple world-wide broadcasts that the JFK Limo turning onto Elm St was on the Original Zapruder Film. The Current Zapruder Film does not include this. And there are other discrepancies between the Original Zapruder Film and the Current Zapruder Film.

Poor Dan Rather.

As he later said, he'd done the best he could under the circumstances.

 Oliver "Far-Left" Stone? Your political compass is outta wack.

She said that the horrible ear-shattering noise was the first of three shots that she distinctly recalled, the last two following that horrible ear-shattering noise after a pause of several seconds.

She said that the first shot sounded like a car backfire, and she said that it didn't hit anybody.


Well, the first thing I remember is . . . uhh . . . we wanted . . . they had turned the corner. It was like the parade was over. They were about to hit the freeway and there was this big crowd. There was people but not the huge crowds that they had coming through Dallas and they were kind of talking amongst themselves in the car and I yelled out “please look this way” because I wanted to see Jackie Kennedy “please look this way” and they did look at us and waved and I think we're the last people they waved to.

Stephen Fagin: Yeah, you can sort of see that moment in the Zapruder film when the President raises his hand . . . and then after they . . . when did when did the shooting begin?

Woodward:  Well, then the shooting . . . There was one shot . . . and I have always believed it didn't hit anybody and I think a lot of research has shown I'm probably right on this because I couldn't see anything happen and I couldn't figure out what it was and we were saying is it, you know, we thought it was somebody backfiring a car or fireworks or something, but then the next two shots came very, very rapidly the sound one didn't kind of fade away before the second shot came and that's when the second shot I saw really what happened, and I don't know . . . of all the four of us it seemed I was the only one who really saw or really understood what happened and I don't know whether it's because they really weren't that intent[ly] looking, they weren't the Kennedy aficionados that I was so I don't know if they really just weren't looking because it was also ending you know it was about to go up on the freeway ,or they just didn't grasp it,  I don't know, but we got back to the newspaper and we delayed a few minutes . . .

Stephen Fagin: Interrupts with a question about the Grassy Knoll.

Bottom line, Oliver Stone is a "film maker". He's not a JFK Assassination expert by any measure. He's also 79 yrs old. I bring this up as "temperament" is also now being thrown into the Oliver Stone pot. As to Stone needing a "sidekick", people of Stone's age have an issue with staying "on track". Their maintaining a steady train of thought for more than 1 minute is often an issue. You throw in the brickbats hurled at Stone during a JFK Assassination "discussion", and this only complicates Stone's age/temperament issues. Hence his needing a sidekick. I watched JFK Assassination Expert Josiah Thompson do an interview on NewsNation about a year ago. Prior to that I watched his Sixth Floor Museum presentation concerning his 2nd Book. Thompson will turn 91 in January. Thompson needs a sidekick too.

Oliver Stone is a money-grubbing Vietnam War-traumatized Far-Left propagandist.

I quite agree. That is the turn and wave that she is referring to.   But she said it occurred before the "horrible ear-shattering noise" that was followed by a pause of a few seconds and then two more shots, the third coming rapidly after the second.

JFK's turn and wave to Mary Woodward and her colleagues at Z-173 did come before the "horrible, ear-shattering noise" of Oswald's second shot at Z-222.

Do you think she equated the backfire-like sound (which is how some other witnesses characterized the first shot and which she said she didn't think had hit anybody) with the "horrible ear-shattering noise" of the second shot?


EDIT ALERT FOR COMRADE STORING:

“At first we didn’t know what it was, if it was a car backfiring,” she said. “… Then there was the second shot and then the third. Then I saw [Kennedy’s] head just break open.”

https://www.timestelegram.com/story/news/2013/11/21/little-falls-resident-was-witness/41823236007/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p&gca-uir=true&gca-epti=z11xx71d00----v11xx71d--xx--b--xx--&gca-ft=119&gca-ds=sophi