JFK Assassination Forum

Forgot Point number 17:

17. Dorethy Kilgallens husband and son were sleeping in nearby rooms when she died - I always had the impression that someone had snuck into her home when she was there all alone and murdered her (as per CTers who push the idea she was murdered). I had not realized (or perhaps i had forgotten) that her husband and son were in closeby rooms sleeping at the time which significantly diminishes the idea that she was murdered and then staged to make it look like a suicide. 

The film doesn’t tell you what is happening, other than JFK is reacting to his neck wound.

No, it doesn't tell YOU what is happening. I guess that's the reason you developed a theory that is incompatible with the film

I can’t tell what JBC is reacting to without referring to other evidence.

I'm all for that. JBC's sworn testimony is evidence. I don't put complete faith in eye and earwitnesses unless they can be corroborated. JBC said he turned and looked over his right shoulder in reaction to a shot that sounded to him came from the right rear and from an elevated position. We see JBC start to turn to look over his right shoulder beginning at Z164. That's corroboration. That tells us the shot came before Z164.

Nellie, and 20 others said that JFK reacted like that to the first shot and the evidence is pretty consistent that JBC was hit in the back on the second shot. JBC said he turned around after the first shot to look at JFK. Nellie said she did not look in the back seat after the second shot.  She is looking at JFK up to z265. Altgens said his z255 #6 photo was taken after the first and before any other shots. Hickey said he was looking at JFK when the second and third shots occurred.  He is facing rearward at z255.

You continue to rely on uncorroborated witnesses. Nothing corroborates Altgens recollection. Altgens was focused on his job which was getting photos of the motorcade as it started down Elm St. His famous photos is #6. That means he took 5 more before that. Do you really expect him to remember after which of those photos he heard the first shot, assuming he even heard the first shot and recognized it for what it was. Many people in DP did not. Nellie might be one of the worst witnesses available. Not only is she not corroborated by the Z-film. Almost everything she said is refuted by it.

An the shot pattern explicitly recalled by over 40 people says there was only one shot to that point.

40 people? Out of how many that were in Dealey Plaza that day.

So I suggest that JBC is reacting the way he said he reacted after hearing the first shot.

He started his reaction at Z164. The first shot came before that unless you want to argue he was anticipating the first shot.

So you are in a better position than Itek to opine on this? The scale drawing of the car shows the seat to be 2.5 inches inboard:

If that is Itek's diagram you posted, they show JBC directly in front of JFK. No wonder their analysis if FUBAR. I will neither agree nor disagree as to whether the seat was 2.5 inches inboard but you have to do more than that to figure out how far inboard JBC was. He would likely have been seated in the center of the seat so you have to add half the width of the seat to the 2.5 inches to determine how far inboard his spine would have been. They show the seat to be 20.5 inches wide so the center of that seat would be (20.5/2) +2.5 = 13 which puts JBC's spine 13 inches inboard from the side of the car.

What I do know is that David Powers was filming from directly behind JFK and JBC and throughout the motorcade, the left half of JBC's head and torso are visible in front of JFK. That tells me he was about a half a body width inside JFK. At the time of the SBT, his shoulders were rotated to his right which would bring the point of entry under his right armpit even further to the left.

Here is a still from David Powers film taken from the QM. As you can see, most of JBC's head is visible. It looks clear to me that JBC's right armpit would be to the left of JFK's centerline and he isn't even rotated to the right as he was when the single bullet struck.
https://s.hdnux.com/photos/12/23/10/2699800/7/1200x0.jpg

 

But even 6 inches is not enough. JFK’s spine had to have been 8 inches from the inside if he had his ribs pressed against the side, which he didn’t (his right arm its extended out from his shoulder).

WRONG. His upper arm is almost vertical and his elbow rests on the side of the car. JFK was as far right as he could go. This footage of the limo as it is starting out at Love Field shows the tip of JFK's elbow is actually outside the car at the 24:22 mark of the video.
https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?q=video+jfk%27s+limo+leaving+love+field&&mid=9645ED65333C0BECEC009645ED65333C0BECEC00&churl=https%3a%2f%2fwww.youtube.com%2fchannel%2fUCDBAOsRNqsx5kz-w4Im7M5A&FORM=VAMGZC

That would put JBC’s back wound about an inch right of JFK’s midline. It needs to be at least 6 inches farther left because of the right to left path. He doesn’t look rotated at z224. Maybe 30 degrees at most. That moves it left by 8(1-cos30)=8(.134)=1.1 inches.
Myers refuses to disclose his data, such as the angle from the SN that he uses, or the distance of JFK’s exit wound from the back wound of JBC.  So it is not possible to really say if it is accurate. Good graphics are only worth that data they are based on.

Well once again you have proven that if you start with faulty premises, you will reach faulty conclusions.

I don't wanna look a gift horse in the mouth, but I hope your posting of these Colorized JFK Assassination Films is only an "opener".     

Thanks, Royell 

I'll probably colourise some more clips.

No clue what you're talking about, as nobody said a word about the Pentagon Papers in this thread. Maybe try your Jack in the Box analogies again?

   Of course you don't. You wantta blow off about JFK Assassination researchers vs your having Zero historical perspective. I don't wanta punch down here. Have a good day.

     And you wantta rag other people about being Conspiracy Nuts? What role do you think that Groden had in the "Pentagon Papers" caper?

No clue what you're talking about, as nobody said a word about the Pentagon Papers in this thread. Maybe try your Jack in the Box analogies again?