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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on Yesterday at 01:59:33 PM »
Quote from: Michael Capasse on Yesterday at 01:41:56 PM
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In 1963, determining the exact age or "freshness" of a latent fingerprint was not scientifically possible, as methods were limited to identifying WHO left the print rather than WHEN. Forensic techniques focused on visual enhancement, not chemical analysis of age.

He worked there. He would be expected to touch anything in the building.

It's the only evidence assumptions they have. Poor souls
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Yesterday at 01:41:56 PM »
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In 1963, determining the exact age or "freshness" of a latent fingerprint was not scientifically possible, as methods were limited to identifying WHO left the print rather than WHEN. Forensic techniques focused on visual enhancement, not chemical analysis of age.

He worked there. He would be expected to touch anything in the building.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by John Mytton on Yesterday at 01:38:10 PM »
But there's more, much more!
Oswald's prints were on top of the rifle rest Rolling Reader box orientated down Elm Street.



Latona did print tests and determined that detectable prints using powder lasted a maximum of 24 hours, bizarrely when pinned down he said 3 days, I'm guessing to be safe, but he still classified the prints as fresh.

Mr. LATONA. We have, run some tests, and usually a minimum of 24 hours on a material of this kind, depending upon how heavy the sweat was, to try to say within a 24-hour period would be a guess on my part.
Mr. EISENBERG. I am not sure I understand your reference to a minimum of 24 hours.
Mr. LATONA. We have conducted tests with various types of materials as to how long it could be before we would not develop a latent print.
Mr. EISENBERG. Yes?
Mr. LATONA. Assuming that the same print was left on an object or a series of similar prints were left on an object, and powdering them, say, at intervals of every 4 hours or so, we would fail to develop a latent print of that particular type on that particular surface, say, within a 24-hour period.
Mr. EISENBERG. So that is a maximum of 24 hours?
Mr. LATONA. That is right.
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Under circumstances, bearing in mind that here the box was powdered, and a print was developed with powder, the conclusion is that this is comparatively a fresh print. Otherwise, it would not have developed.



And to top it off these Rolling Reader boxes with the fresh prints and according to Oswald's supervisor, William Shelley, were moved halfway across the floor and it was very unusual to see them in south west corner, Oswald's sniper's nest. The boxes were smaller and were obviously moved to make a suitable height for Oswald's rifle!

Mr. BALL. You have seen pictures of the window, haven't you?
Mr. SHELLEY. Oh, yes.
Mr. BALL. With the larger box on the floor and two Rolling Readers on the top?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. One Rolling Reader resting in the sill of the window?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Now, the Rolling Readers were stacked three aisles away, I believe you testified, haven't you, before?
Mr. SHELLEY. I'm not sure how many aisles we moved all that stock now, but it was at least three aisles.
Mr. BALL. Away from the southeast corner?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes; they were at least half way across the building from this corner.
Mr. BALL. Had you ever instructed anybody to take two Rolling Readers over there?
Mr. SHELLEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Would it have been unusual for two Rolling Readers to be out of the stack and over there?
Mr. SHELLEY. Very unusual, because they are different size cartons from everything else.
Mr. BALL. You mean from everything else in the southeast corner?
Mr. SHELLEY. Well, from any box on that floor.
Mr. BALL. They were?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes; they were little boxes. The rest of them are pretty good sized.
Mr. BALL. You had had a special place for the Rolling Readers?
Mr. SHELLEY. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Then, the two Rolling Readers that were over in the southeast corner were out of place, were they?
Mr. SHELLEY. They sure were.
Mr. BALL. Had you ever seen them out of place before?
Mr. SHELLEY. No, sir.
Mr. BALL. Had you ever seen those Rolling Readers in that corner before?
Mr. SHELLEY. No, sir.

Tom Alyes captured the Sniper's nest before any boxes were moved, and we can see the rolling reader rifle rest boxes.





JohnM
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on Yesterday at 01:12:23 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 12:48:39 PM
I don't need schooling from some one who doesn't know what he is talking about. If fibers can't be matched to an object, why would the FBI have a division that matches fibers to objects. Furthermore, suspected serial child killer Wayne Williams was convicted primarily on fiber matching and has already served 45 years in prison for that conviction. Without the fiber matching, the prosecutors wouldn't have had a case to take to trial. The reason fiber matching isn't 100% conclusive is that unlike fingerprint and ballistic matching, it is theoretically possible a matching fiber could have come from an identical object, even though that is a remote possibility.

Wayne Williams lawyers filed an appeal making the same claims you are about fiber evidence. The appeals court rejected the claim. Even though fiber evidence is not 100% conclusive, it is still highly probative when one considers the unlikelihood it came from an identical object to the one in question. You would have us believe it's just a coincidence that the fibers found on Oswald's rifle and in the rifle bag matched Oswald's shirt and blanket. If that is the case, Oswald had to be the unluckiest SOB that ever lived.

I can't believe Oswald's shitass luck. Not only did the fibers on the rifle and the bag match his shirt and his blanket, when he went back to his rooming house to change shirts, he just happened to pick the one that was identical to the one the real shooter was wearing.

It only seems like evidence to people with common sense.

You do seem to believe in amazing coincidences.

It only seems like evidence to people with common sense.

Common sence is just another word for assumptions

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 34, with Steve Barber on the Acoustics Evidenc
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 01:11:54 PM »
Brehm can be seen still clapping his hands in the background of the Z-film even after JFK had been hit by the second shot. Like so many others, he didn't seem to realize shots were being fired until he saw JFK's head explode.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on Yesterday at 01:09:45 PM »
Quote from: John Mytton on Yesterday at 07:38:34 AM
BS:



JohnM

Just how dishonest can you be. That is a jpg made by Tony Fratini and he was talking about the 20 inch bag... not the 38 inch bag.

the red stripe shows the size of a 38 inch bag. You've shot yourself in the foot, yet again!  :D
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 01:08:20 PM »
Quote from: Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 02:18:06 AM
Not sure if the “blockade” description is reverse psychology or if it means blockading the coastline of Iran so there’s no chance of the fanatic death cult version Islamic regime  ( the false one) being able to mine the waters.

Maybe the new mission should be renamed “SafeGuard” the strait to allow all merchants ships safe passage with aid of US Navy escort ships. This could be a joint venture  with Russia, China, France , Britain and the oil from that special island can be distributed by US at bargain prices once the island is occupied and under control of the US Marines.

The only problem with that is once we seize Kharg Island, the Iranians would stop pumping their oil to it. It would have only a short term effect on the supply of oil.

I don't think destroying Kharg Island would useful either.  3/4 of the oil that passes through the Strait of Hormuz is Iranian oil, so destroying that island would have almost the same long term effect on world oil supply as the current closing of the strait. The solution is to open the strait so everyone's oil can get through.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Where Was Oswald Heading After The Assassination?
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 12:59:15 PM »
Quote from: Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 02:36:21 AM
That smirk on Oswald’s face is the same expression I’ve seen on that kook that’s on trial for shooting Charlie Kirk.

If ever there was someone who deserved to be murdered, it was Oswald. I can't justify it legally, morally, or ethically, but I'm still glad Jack Ruby did it.
The photo of Oswald grimacing and clutching his stomach taken one second after Ruby's bullet ripped his guts apart never ceases to bring a smile to my face. It's been said, facetiously, that "He needed killing" is a legal defense in Texas. That would certainly apply to Oswald.

If not for Jack Ruby, Oswald likely would have cheated the executioner and still might be thumbing his nose at us from the Texas penitentiary at the age of 86. Thanks again, Jack.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 12:48:39 PM »
Quote from: Martin Weidmann on Yesterday at 12:22:12 PM
The bullet and shells don't tell us who fired the rifle butt the fibers on the bullet plate of the rifle that matched Oswald's shirt and Oswald's prints on the boxes in the sniper's nest do.

Only in your feeble mind. You have been schooled on the fact that there is no such thing as fibers matching with a particular object, but you won't learn, will you?


I don't need schooling from some one who doesn't know what he is talking about. If fibers can't be matched to an object, why would the FBI have a division that matches fibers to objects. Furthermore, suspected serial child killer Wayne Williams was convicted primarily on fiber matching and has already served 45 years in prison for that conviction. Without the fiber matching, the prosecutors wouldn't have had a case to take to trial. The reason fiber matching isn't 100% conclusive is that unlike fingerprint and ballistic matching, it is theoretically possible a matching fiber could have come from an identical object, even though that is a remote possibility.

Wayne Williams lawyers filed an appeal making the same claims you are about fiber evidence. The appeals court rejected the claim. Even though fiber evidence is not 100% conclusive, it is still highly probative when one considers the unlikelihood it came from an identical object to the one in question. You would have us believe it's just a coincidence that the fibers found on Oswald's rifle and in the rifle bag matched Oswald's shirt and blanket. If that is the case, Oswald had to be the unluckiest SOB that ever lived.

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Secondly, you don't know which shirt Oswald was wearing on Friday morning, so even if the fibers on the rifle butt matched that shirt, you still are nowhere near proving who fired the rifle. And as far as Oswald's prints on boxes go, the guy worked on the 6th floor and part of his job was to handle boxes and move them around. It would be a surprise if no prints were found.


I can't believe Oswald's shitass luck. Not only did the fibers on the rifle and the bag match his shirt and his blanket, when he went back to his rooming house to change shirts, he just happened to pick the one that was identical to the one the real shooter was wearing.

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If this is what you consider to be "evidence", you really need to consider getting another hobby!


It only seems like evidence to people with common sense.

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We have a plethora of evidence

Now, there's a typical Mytton use of words. The resemblance is remarkable! Probably just a coincidence, though....

You do seem to believe in amazing coincidences.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The Brown Paper Bag
« Last post by Martin Weidmann on Yesterday at 12:22:12 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 01:23:57 AM
This coming from a guy who has absolute faith in eyewitness testimony over what the forensic evidence tells us.
 
The bullet and shells don't tell us who fired the rifle butt the fibers on the bullet plate of the rifle that matched Oswald's shirt and Oswald's prints on the boxes in the sniper's nest do. It's truly amazing anyone would ignore those facts and continue to argue for Oswald's innocence. We have a plethora of evidence that points to Oswald's guilt and not a scrap of evidence that points to anybody else.

Tell us why you think it is more reliable in this case.

"There is none so blind as he who will not see."

That works out well because you don't seem to have one.

The bullet and shells don't tell us who fired the rifle butt the fibers on the bullet plate of the rifle that matched Oswald's shirt and Oswald's prints on the boxes in the sniper's nest do.

Only in your feeble mind. You have been schooled on the fact that there is no such thing as fibers matching with a particular object, but you won't learn, will you? Secondly, you don't know which shirt Oswald was wearing on Friday morning, so even if the fibers on the rifle butt matched that shirt, you still are nowhere near proving who fired the rifle. And as far as Oswald's prints on boxes go, the guy worked on the 6th floor and part of his job was to handle boxes and move them around. It would be a surprise if no prints were found.

If this is what you consider to be "evidence", you really need to consider getting another hobby!

We have a plethora of evidence

Now, there's a typical Mytton use of words. The resemblance is remarkable! Probably just a coincidence, though....
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