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LP-

Woolsey: Yale Law grad, Rhodes Scholar, extensive career in and out the US foreign policy and national-security apparatus, and former CIA director.

You and me: JFKA hobbyists.

I am uncomfortable simply dismissing Woolsey's POV. I may suspect lower-level G2'ers, or even Alpha-66'ers, possibly double agents, rather than the formal KGB.

But that's IMHO.

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What five anomalies have complicated the JFKA investigation over the years?

Here are five I can think of:

1) The fact that JFK and JBC disappeared from Zapruder's view behind the Stemmons Freeway sign about the time that at least one shot was fired.

2) The fact that Zapruder didn't resume filming until the limo was about 100 feet down Elm Street.

3) The fact that the interrogations of Oswald weren't tape-recorded.

4) The fact that the doctors at Parkland, in a futile attempt to keep JFK alive, preformed "a trach" and thereby obscured a bullet wound in his neck.

5) The fact that the physicians who performed the autopsy on JFK weren't very qualified and were under pressure to do it quickly.


And here are three more for good measure:

6) Zapruder's camera didn't have audio.

7) The pergolas and tall buildings. etc., in Dealy Plaza created different echoes in different places.

8 ) The fact that the kind of bullet that's fired by LHO's kind of Carcano short-rifle have a tendency to start yawing/tumbling upon exiting something soft -- like a block of ballistics gel or a human neck.
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When are the CTs here going to tell us who, specifically, killed JFK?

"All we can say for sure is that it had to be the evil, evil, Deep State!"

LOL!
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I love strawman arguments, When did I say the bullet didn't deflect?
The bullet is moving downward and forward when it strikes the radius.The point of contact is on the dorsal surface of the radius bone breaking at least five pieces off the right side of the radius. If it continues past the radius, passing between the radius and ulna, and exits palm side, it does not deflect away from the point of contact.

If it deflects away from the point of contact it will deflect up and away from the dorsal side of the radius.

To get to the left thigh it would have to deflect down and somewhat to the left.after leaving the arm. What causes that deflection? 
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I came across Chris Davidson and Keven Hofeling's allegations at the Ed Forum that the Zapruder film that we know, isn't the original. Chris Davidson uses "maths" to allege that the Limo stopped, while Hofeling has accumulated a vast number of buzzwords which he uses to sound somewhat knowledgeable but as they say in the classics, garbage in garbage out.

1. Refuting a Limo stop.

I don't think Zapruder critics realize that the changes they suggest were impossible;
For example, say you remove frames then how do you have the people outside moving towards the Limo not be affected by the frame removal and that goes for the Limo passengers, there is no sudden jumps and everyone has constant motion. And then you have the problem of the Limo, it doesn't stop and start on a dime but has to come to a stop and then has to gain speed to go again, so at what two points in the "original" Zapruder film do you snip the film to show the slowing Limo and how do you account for the multiple people elements and the missing yards to account for the slow down, stop and reacceleration?
This may be difficult to grasp but to have an end product that equals the "Current" Zapruder film we need to edit out a stop, so we match the Limo's approach speed of say 8mph and edit that with a departure speed of 8mph but what happens to the footage in between? The Limo has travelled some distance, the people outside didn't become statues and likewise the occupants of the Limo have continued to move.

And considering that Nix captured from the opposite end of Dealey Plaza, the entire sequence where the Limo was supposed to have stopped, makes the limo stop theory dead in the water.

2. Addressing Hofeling's needlessly verbose allegations or in other words, if you can't impress with science and legitimate evidence, then baffle them with BS!

According to Jonathan Cohen, in Hofeling's latest post at the ED Forum, Hofeling used over 10,000 words to attack his critics and repeat much of the garbage which he has posted multiple times before. I have previously created a thread addressing Hofeling's belief that JFK's back of head "patch" at Z317 was painted on to cover a back of head hole but this is only the start of a much larger problem, namely how do you cover up the cloud of expelled matter? 

My original thread addressing Hofeling's first wave of Zapruder fakery.
Ever wonder why the hardcore CT's try to create doubt about the Zapruder
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,3920.msg154876.html#msg154876

Hofeling has recently added some new pieces of "evidence", some of which are the very definition of intellectual dishonesty.

2a. Hofeling lists some witnesses who allegedly corroborate Brugioni's "Multi-Frame, Rearward-Flying Biological Debris", for those who don't know who Brugioni is, he watched the Zapruder film on the day after the assassination. And for a start, Brugioni was the worst witness because after seeing the Zapruder film 50+ years later said of the original film, "it(biological matter) was straight up [gesturing high above his own head]... in the sky..." which is precisely what we see in the current Zapruder film and is totally at odds with rearward-flying anything! Brugioni also says that this biological matter was visible for more than 1 frame but the Zapruder film shows this debris in the air for more than 1 frame, so who knows what he was shown and at what resolution? and let's not forget that Brugioni back in 1963 saw either the much clearer original or at the very least a first generation print?
To support the rearward-flying matter, Hofeling lists along with Brugioni, Zapruder himself and Sitzman who was Zapruder's secretary who stood behind Zapruder and kept him steady.

But unfortunately for Hofeling, Sitzman and Zapruder's evidence equally doesn't support rearward-flying debris, in fact it strengthens the exact opposite??



These Dealey Plaza eyewitnesses just an hour or two later were interviewed and all said what they saw and guess what, they all saw what the Zapruder film shows! How about that!

2b. In Hofeling's latest presentation, Hofeling boasts that him and his team of modern researchers are working off the fabled 6K Zapruder film print which came from a second generation NARA copy and then was logarithmically improved! Let's see where that takes us?

This GIF demonstrates a "logarithmically" adjusted Hofeling frame over an original Zapruder frame and the obvious strong red bias just increases and crushes the blacks and all for what? For the misguided hope of artificially enhancing JFK's back of head shadow and this deception is the exact the opposite of what a logarithmically manipulated image is designed to show.

Hofeling also links to a video which shows his team analysing their high res 6K logarithmically enhanced Zapruder frames and even though this video capture lose a little resolution, the much lauded microscopically visible film grain is a joke and the clearly visible macro blocking is an embarrassment. It's no wonder that previous to this that they only showed zoomed out images which hid their poor copies and awful artefacts.

A near original Zapruder Film frame demonstrates the Back of head shadow showing subtle shade variation, a feathered edge and clear film grain.

On this supposed 6K frame grab, the microscopic visible film grain is severely lacking, the macro blocking is painfully obvious and the hard edged, solid coloured back of head shadow is not seen on the original.

2c. Hofeling has been very busy making all sorts of infographics, but what use are they if they are intellectually dishonest? In the following table, his team compares JFK's hair to Connally's grey hair in the same frame, Z317 but we have different ambient lighting, different angle of incidence and different reflective properties then declares same same! Give me a break! How about comparing Kellerman and Kennedy? Nah, that would give the game away.

And upon closer examination the "drop-off" is only visible in their horrible attempt to "logarithmically" enhance/alter the Zapruder original.

My second generation Zapruder vs Hofeling's dogs breakfast!

2d. Hofeling also cites two Hollywood experts who don't seem to have the relevant credentials for a detailed analysis of the back of head "patch" but even if they did, they were no doubt showed the above fraudulent "logarithmically" enhanced/altered Zapruder frames which makes their opinions worthless.

2e. Hofeling also makes the same claim as Davidson, that because some eyewitnesses saw the Limo stop or slow down then that must mean the Zapruder film was faked but how reliable are these eyewitnesses who saw these two contradictory events, it's physically impossible for a Limo to stop and slow down at the same time but the Zapruder film does in fact show the Limo to slow down, so some of the witnesses were correct and some were wrong, it's as simple as that!

In conclusion, and I've said this before, whatever could be done with celluloid film in 1963 can be done infinitely easier using computers and photoshop but I still haven't seen anybody replicate anything that was alleged to have occurred with the Zapruder film? Why can't someone film a car stop and then edit the film to show that the car didn't stop? I can tell you why, because even with advanced SFX, the job would be mammoth, it would require the car element to be digitally removed, then because the car slows, stops and starts this car element would be excised and then we require three dimensional perspective correction to be reinserted over the constantly updating background. And BTW just editing out some frames would look absurd, so don't even go there.

And finally, David Healey who worked in the film/TV industry provided this proof of concept image where he used Photoshop an image manipulation tool which was unheard of for at least a couple of decades after 1963(the technology at the time was literally a sharp knife and sticky tape) and it just looks fake AF and it's only a single frame, imagine the mess that would be created by a string of these in photoreal film!

JohnM

Anyone who reads the serious, scholarly research on evidence of alteration in the Zapruder film will see that your post is your usual mix of strawman arguments, exaggerations, omissions, pseudo-science, and errors.

One would never know to read your arguments that dozens of film experts have concluded the Zapruder film has been altered. One would never know that Stanford physicist Dr. Art Snyder refuted your argument that there are no indications among the movements of the passengers that the limo stop was removed from the film. One would never know about the extensive research of Australian physicist and film expert John Costello on evidence of alteration in the film. Etc., etc., etc.

I still recall your spurious argument that Nix and Zapruder filmed from such drastically different angles that the readily apparent contradiction between what they show about Agent Hill and Jackie Kennedy's relative positions at the same moment in time is just an optical illusion.

For those who want an introduction to the evidence of alteration, I offer this article for your consideration:

Evidence of Alteration in the Zapruder Film
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1YOK_7uLe49zgXADGQxkIH1dmaEcpyaWd/view
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Here is the Knott work: https://knottlab.com/cases/knott-lab-presents-digital-reconstruction-and-findings-on-the-assassination-of-president-john-f-kennedy/

I haven't seen any sort of detailed written report, probably because it was privately commissioned by Orr.

Larry Schnapf said Knott focused only on the viability of the SBT, not on possible alternative trajectories.

He also said Orr's current study takes into account details at the level of the softness of the seats, the fact that Elm has been repaved three times, etc.

As Larry noted, even 1/4" one way or the other is critical to this kind of reconstruction - which is why, it seems to me, the debate will never end; no one will ever achieve that level of precision.
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Who were LHO's most likely confederates?

It doesn't really fit any very popular or sexy conspiracy theory, but realistically his most likely confederate would have been Oswald Junior - some equally pro-Castro character he had met in the course of his travels and activities and to whom he could turn on or about 11-20 and say, "I'm gonna do it - are you with me?"

You keep mentioning Woolsey. We've gone down that road before, but I would bet Woolsey knew less about Oswald and the JFKA than you, I or most people on this forum.
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TG-

We have different takes on the timing of shots during the JFKA.

I have reasonable doubts about the WC narrative, and your narrative.

My narrative is what it is, and I concede I am a layman and amateur. Just IMHO.


You have your doubts, all right, but they aren't reasonable.
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TG-

We have different takes on the timing of shots during the JFKA.

I have reasonable doubts about the WC narrative, and your narrative.

My narrative is what it is, and I concede I am a layman and amateur. Just IMHO.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.

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Niedernut was the death knell for the Education Forum?

Gordon said he was weary of endless EF antics a couple of years back. I can see why, when Niedernut assumed the helm, Gordon simply walked off. Enough is enough. The EF-JFKA was no longer a forum.

Maybe Gordon began to worry about liabilities associated with owning a forum dominated by anti-Semitic crackpots, especially given his residence in Great Britain. What if an EF reader was inspired or prompted to perp a violent act? People in Great Britain are sometimes put in jail for expressing views online.

Niederhut all but justified the assassination of Charlie Kirk, stating that Kirk has engaged in "stochastic terrorism."

Egads. Perhaps Gordon has just washed his hands of the mess.

Charlie Kirk was a pure as the driven snow.
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