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    So you believe Witt, but you don't believe Witt? And then you excuse Witt by claiming he was, "embellishing". Yet, Witt's HSCA "screeching tires" testimony does corroborate ASAIC Kellerman's WC testimony of the JFK Limo, "...leaping out of the G.D street". Knowing and Linking sworn testimony is important. Obviously, you are currently incapable of doing this. You need to buckle down, do the research, and familiarize yourself with the sworn testimony of JFK Assassination key players. This will help you avoid embarrassing yourself.

Your words, not mine. Yep, I believe that Witt was the Umbrella Man. I don't care if he embellished tires screeching, and nobody else but you does either. The sum and substance of his story matches the actions of the individual in Dealey Plaza perfectly.
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You guys are totally nuts.

The pathetic MAGA clowns always say that if you don't like the country, you should leave. Well, some time ago, during the Orange fool's first term, I did exactly that.
I closed down my businesses in the USA and took my entire family to my second home outside the USA. It was the best decision I've ever made. My grand kids go to school (they can actually walk there) without their parents fearing they might not come home. Nobody is carrying guns, there is no ICE like Gestapo and people feel safe and secure. I can actually leave my door unlocked when I leave and nothing will happen. There was a time I could have done the same in the USA!

No more stress and a far better quality of life for all of us. While you idiots have reached a point where nobody can trust anybody anymore, I can live the remaining years of my life without being confronted on a daily basis by uneducated idiots, bigots, racists and far right (as well as left) extremists who are destroying a country that once was the envy of the world.

When I was young, in the sixties and seventies, I used to love and be proud of my country. After that I saw large parts of the world and, although nowhere is perfect, I know better now. The world is laughing at your paranoia. It's so sad. I feel fortunate to have had the ability to move and I feel sorry for the millions of sane Americans who would like to do the same but are trapped.
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So what that we don't "see" these things? Are you incapable of considering the possibility that Witt was embellishing? Or that he simply misremembered? My guess is that you are incapable of considering that, since instead you leap to every ridiculous conspiratorial "explanation."

    So you believe Witt, but you don't believe Witt? And then you excuse Witt by claiming he was, "embellishing". Yet, Witt's HSCA "screeching tires" testimony does corroborate ASAIC Kellerman's WC testimony of the JFK Limo, "...leaping out of the G.D street". Knowing and Linking sworn testimony is important. Obviously, you are currently incapable of doing this. You need to buckle down, do the research, and familiarize yourself with the sworn testimony of JFK Assassination key players. This will help you avoid embarrassing yourself.   
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. Politics
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 09:11:06 PM »
So, the Rooskies have been waging a propaganda effort for 50+ years and now you want to blame it on Trump. Unbelievable.

Looking at Trump in the most charitable light, he's just one of many "useful idiots" who have, since late 1961 (when J. Edgar Hoover accepted Kremlin-loyal triple agent GRU Lt. Col. Dmitry Polyakov as an informant at the Bureau's NYC field office), benefited the mafia formerly known as the KGB*.

It's a pity that you (and so many other Americans) are ignorant about the KGB*, and don't know that in 1959 the Kremlin, having realized that the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact couldn't defeat the U.S. and NATO militarily, developed the "Shelepin Plan," which aimed to get us to defeat ourselves by waging Sun Tzu-like disinformation, "active measures," and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations against us and our NATO allies.

It's a pity that you don't know that General Oleg Gribanov, not to be outdone by the FCD, set up an analog unit, Department 14, in his Second Chief Directorate and, after he had trapped Oleg Penkovsky "like a bear in its den" in Moscow in such a way that wouldn't reveal the traitor in the CIA or British Intelligence who had betrayed him in April 1961, sent the aforementioned Polyakov (who later "flipped" to the CIA in Rangoon) to the FBI's field office to "volunteer" to spy for it at the U.N., and two months later sent KGB* Major Aleksei Kulak (Hoover's shielded-from-CIA FEDORA) to do the same thing.

It’s a pity that you don’t know that, six months after KGB* Major Anatoly Golitsyn defected to the U.S. from Helsinki on 15 December 1961, Gribanov sent putative KGB* staff officer Yuri Nosenko to the CIA in Geneva to discredit what Golitsyn was telling James Angleton about KGB* penetrations of the CIA, the FBI, and the intelligence services of NATO countries.

It's a pity that you don't realize that this is just "the tip of the iceberg," that, for example, Oliver Stone's self-described mythological (“to counter the myth of the Warren Report” movie, "JFK," was the result of a 1967 KGB* active measures operation, and that your boy, Trump, is wittingly or unwittingly helping the KGB* bring the goals of the aforementioned Shelepin Plan -- getting us to defeat ourselves -- to fruition.

*Today's SVR and FSB
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Do you know of Tony Marsh? He was a very prolific poster on John McAdams forum. He seemed to be in failing health not long before John passed away so I don't know if he is still with us. He could be very obnoxious and he had many screwy ideas but he had as good a command of the facts as anyone I've encountered in 35 years of online discussions with JFKA conspiracy hobbyists. I actually learned some of the minute facts that I would otherwise have been unaware of had I not dueled with him online. His problem was that he had all that knowledge but he simply could not apply it in anything resembling a logical thought process. Like so many conspiracy hobbyists, he let his desired conclusions prevent him from objectively analyzing all that knowledge he had accumulated.

I don't know Josiah Thompson, (Tink as Tony referred to him) but he sounds like a much less obnoxious version of Tony. He may be very well versed on the facts of the JFKA but his analysis of those facts is FUBAR. An informed opinion is not necessarily a logical one.

I do remember Tony from old forums and newsgroups but I am pretty sure he passed away at some point in the last five years. Agreed: re: informed vs. logical opinion. I just like Thompson's style as relative to almost every other "well known" conspiracy researcher/author. Thankfully he doesn't trade in garbage like Oswald body doubles and altered autopsy x-rays.
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John, agreed. I just meant that Thompson has always kept himself above the fray of the usual moronic conspiracy theorist battles.. I think he abandoned the subject for decades partially for that reason.

Do you know of Tony Marsh? He was a very prolific poster on John McAdams forum. He seemed to be in failing health not long before John passed away so I don't know if he is still with us. He could be very obnoxious and he had many screwy ideas but he had as good a command of the facts as anyone I've encountered in 35 years of online discussions with JFKA conspiracy hobbyists. I actually learned some of the minute facts that I would otherwise have been unaware of had I not dueled with him online. His problem was that he had all that knowledge but he simply could not apply it in anything resembling a logical thought process. Like so many conspiracy hobbyists, he let his desired conclusions prevent him from objectively analyzing all that knowledge he had accumulated.

I don't know Josiah Thompson, (Tink as Tony referred to him) but he sounds like a much less obnoxious version of Tony. He may be very well versed on the facts of the JFKA but his analysis of those facts is FUBAR. An informed opinion is not necessarily a logical one.
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We do not see any automobile activity that would produce "Screeching tires", or "Jamming brakes" on any of the JFK Assassination Films. This includes the Current Zapruder Film and the Nix Film (copy).

So what that we don't "see" these things? Are you incapable of considering the possibility that Witt was embellishing? Or that he simply misremembered? My guess is that you are incapable of considering that, since instead you leap to every ridiculous conspiratorial "explanation."
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JFK Assassination Aftermath - Dark Complected Man - Gerda Dunckel Analysis



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Well actually, Umbrella Man has never been a high priority to me because having a guy with an Umbrella making an obvious political statement makes far more sense than using the umbrella as a signal or heaven help us a concealed blow dart, but whatever.
Anyway, Witt's facial structure and body type 15 years later is still an extremely close match for Umbrella Man and the fact that he remembers most of what happened without a pedantic level of detail, in my opinion paints a picture of a normal bloke trying his best to remember a tiny slice of time from a decade and a half ago. Consider if Witt was some JFK fanatic who knew every detail with pinpoint accuracy then that all by itself would be powerful evidence of an impostor.
It reminds me of the eyewitnesses at the assassination, they all viewed an unexpected event once whereas the modern researcher has a ton of points of view from films and photos which they have studied over and over with microscopic detail but when some eyewitness makes some sort of a relatively insignificant error they are dragged over the coals for it? Go figure?

Getting back to the point of this post, when I grabbed the cropped image, I quickly checked the Bronson 8mm film and forgot that Bronson was also taking photographs and snapped the following photo a half second before the Limo reached Witt(my bad), before Bronson a literal second later swapped back to his movie camera.



JohnM

               John - Thanks for going the extra mile with your Bronson JFK Assassination research work. I knew you would. It's a hallmark to be proud of.
   With respect to the Witt HSCA Testimony, the part of his testimony that always jumps out at me is where he describes, "Screeching tires" and "Jamming Brakes". I have Never read or heard a single JFK Assassination eyewitness describe these tire/brake sounds during/after shots being fired. Though Witt's description does match the ASAIC Kellerman's WC testimony of the JFK Limo suddenly accelerating to the point of, "jumping out of the god damn street". We do not see any automobile activity that would produce "Screeching tires", or "Jamming brakes" on any of the JFK Assassination Films. This includes the Current Zapruder Film and the Nix Film (copy).
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          You owe Thompson your respect solely based on his decades long JFK Assassination research work. But then again, what do you know about JFK Assassination Research to begin with?

He knows a heck of a lot more than you do!
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