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An important point that I did not include in the OP is the fact that the autopsy evidence shows two separate, disconnected wound paths in the brain, i.e., the subcortical and cortical damage to JFK's brain. There is no wound path or fragment trail between these two wound paths—in other words, these are two separate, unconnected wound paths. The cortical damage is near the very top of the skull; it is close to the high fragment trail and is on the outer (or cortical) surface of the brain. The subcortical wound path is nearly 2 inches below the cortical damage and spans the length of the brain from front to back. The first expert to note these two separate wound paths was Dr. Joseph Riley, a neuroscientist who specialized in neuroanatomy.

British researcher Martin Hay has said the following on this issue:


Since you have identified him as a research and not an expert in forensic pathology, I am going to assume he is not the latter. That means he is no more qualified to discuss the medical evidence than you or I.
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That George O'Toole thing?

"Never mind."

The "moving boxes" thing is one of MTG's pet canards. He beats it like a drum. Dale Myers addressed it way back in 1998 in responding to MTG at McAdams' forum:

Of course, computer technology available today (even at the desktop level) was not available in 1978 when these studies were done. Today,however, the position of a photographer can easily be calculated within a few feet by triangulating three fixed points visible in any two dimensional photograph.(see: http://www.jfkfiles.com for a complete description of 3D techniques and triangulation) ... My computer work shows beyond any doubt that the boxes in the Dillard and Powell photographs are in an identical arrangement. In addition, further renderings show that CE715 & CE716, as well as the footage shot by Tom Alyea, show a configuration that matches those seen in the Dillard and Powell photographs. These are the only images showing the original box configuration.

The complete response is here: https://groups.google.com/g/alt.conspiracy.jfk/c/rGOLLeH2Kgw/m/fI2IkofoclgJ

All MTG is doing, you can hopefully see, is assembling CT-oriented factoids as though they were evidence and there were no differing opinions or contrary evidence. It's quite ludicrous, especially on a JFKA forum where most participants are not neophytes.
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We've known when Connally was hit for over 60 years now. He was hit at Z234. We know this from Connally himself. After viewing the Zapruder film in slow motion several times, he told the WC he wasn't hit before Z230. In 1966, LIFE magazine allowed him to study a high-quality print of the Zapruder film under high magnification. After doing so for some time, Connally reached two key conclusions:

1. He was certain he was not hit before Z229.

2. He identified Z234 as the moment of impact.

Connally had valid reasons for selecting Z234 as the moment of impact. Starting in Z238 his right shoulder rapidly collapses, his cheeks puff, and a pained expression appears on his face. The right-shoulder collapse matches Connally's earliest descriptions of the bullet's impact: he said the impact felt like someone hit him powerfully in the back with their first.

A Z234 hit makes perfect sense with what we see in the Zapruder film. It makes total sense that a bullet that hit Connally in the back would only take four Zapruder frames--4/18ths of a second or 218.4 milliseconds--to drive his right shoulder downward. 218.4 milliseconds is in the range of the speed of an eye blink. Eye-blink speed ranges between 100 and 400 milliseconds.

Similarly, the forced expulsion of air from Connally's lungs would have been quite rapid and forceful, quickly causing his cheeks to puff, just as we see in the Zapruder film virtually simultaneously with his right-shoulder drop. The cheeks start to puff just a frame or two after the right shoulder starts to drop.

Also, the shattering of 4 inches of rib bone alone was extremely painful and would have quickly caused a pained expression to appear on Connally's face. Forensic science tells us that when people experience a sharp pain, it only takes 150-300 milliseconds to react with a pained facial expression.

Jim Moore, one of the most honest WC defenders around, concludes that Connally was hit at Z236 and he basis this partly on the rapid collapse of Connally's right shoulder starting in Z238 (Conspiracy of One, pp. 198-199, see also p. 159, where he says that Connally's right shoulder "drops dramatically").

Obviously, these reactions make no sense in a Z224-hit scenario. It most would not have taken Connally's right shoulder 14 frames to begin to be driven downward, nor would it have taken 14 frames for Connally to react with a pained facial expression and for his cheeks to puff.

It is worth noting that Dr. Robert Shaw, Connally's chest surgeon, studied the Zapruder film and concluded the bullet struck the Governor at Z236, "give or take 1 or 2 frames, and that Dr. Charles Gregory, Connally's wrist surgeon, opined that the hit occurred between Z234 and Z238.

But, of course, WC defenders here cannot accept the fact that Connally was not hit before Z229 because it destroys any version of their untenable Z220-224 SBT.

JBC was wrong. He attempted to place the time of the first shot by looking at when he made the reaction he REMEMBERED which was doubling over and dipping to his right. That did happen in the Z230s.There is no reason for him to look for the involuntary reflexive response he made to being struck in the wrist when he suddenly flipped his right arm upward. He had no memory of that action. He didn't even know he had been shot in the wrist until he came out of surgery.

I have pointed out this arm flip to you on numerous occasions and each time you simply choose to ignore it, apparently because you have no explanation for it that fits your narrative that JBC wasn't hit until Z234.
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If anyone wants to read the best response to the case against Oswald ever written to date, it is available free of charge online. It is Barry Krusch's 2012 book Impossible: The Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald. The book is available for free viewing and download here:

https://krusch.com/books/Impossible_Case_Against_Lee_Harvey_Oswald.pdf

The problems with the case against Oswald that I discuss in the OP are literally the tip of the iceberg. Krusch picks apart the so-called "evidence" against Oswald piece by piece in exhaustive detail. The book was originally published in three volumes, but the online version contains all three volumes in one PDF (totaling 1,072 pages).

CTs always try to dismiss evidence rather than try to explain it. Since there is no evidence to support their beliefs, that's all they can do.

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This is silly. There was no forensic, photographic, and ballistics evidence that disproved the suicide explanation in the George Reeves case, whereas there is plenty of such evidence in the JFK case.

Only in your head.
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I was reading this story online and I found one paragraph particularly interesting:

"The problem wasn't simply that people disliked the verdict. The problem was that witness accounts didn't always match. Some statements changed over time. Certain details conflicted with physical evidence. Different people seemed to remember the night differently. The more reporters examined the story, the less straightforward it appeared."

Sound familiar. We've all seen the same issues raised over and over again in this forum. Only this story wasn't about the JFKA. It was about the suicide of actor George Reeves, TV's Superman in 1959. Despite this being an open and shut case of suicide, some people didn't want to accept the obvious answer. They continued to search for an alternate explanation and conspiracy theories grew out of it. The public lost interest in this story a long time ago but for many years, people interested in the case refused to believe it was a simple a case as the investigators determined. The convinced themselves there had to be more to it, just as JFKA CTs have done for decades.

This is silly. There was no forensic, photographic, and ballistics evidence that disproved the suicide explanation in the George Reeves case, whereas there is plenty of such evidence in the JFK case. That's part of the reason that the House Select Committee on Assassinations concluded at the end of their extensive two-year investigation that JFK was killed by a conspiracy, that two gunmen were involved, that four shots were fired, that one of the shots came from the grassy knoll, that Jack Ruby had extensive Mafia ties, that there was credible evidence that anti-Castro Cubans were trying to frame Oswald for the assassination weeks before the shooting, that Ruby had help getting into the police basement to shoot Oswald, that Ruby lied about how he entered the basement and why he shot Oswald, that someone was moving boxes around in the sixth-floor window within 2 minutes after the shooting when Oswald could not have been there, and that the eyewitness accounts of shots from grassy knoll were credible, among other findings.
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If anyone wants to read the best response to the case against Oswald ever written to date, it is available free of charge online. It is Barry Krusch's 2012 book Impossible: The Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald. The book is available for free viewing and download here:

https://krusch.com/books/Impossible_Case_Against_Lee_Harvey_Oswald.pdf

The problems with the case against Oswald that I discuss in the OP are literally the tip of the iceberg. Krusch picks apart the so-called "evidence" against Oswald piece by piece in exhaustive detail. The book was originally published in three volumes, but the online version contains all three volumes in one PDF (totaling 1,072 pages).

One of Krusch's most important chapters is his chapter on the photographic evidence that someone was moving boxes in the sixth-floor window within 2 minutes after the shooting when Oswald could not have been there (volume 1, pp. 21-52). This was also the conclusion of the HSCA's photographic experts: "There is an apparent rearranging of boxes within two minutes after the last shot was fired at President Kennedy" (6 HSCA 109; see also 6 HSCA 109-115 and 4 HSCA 422-423). Krusch proves with additional photographic evidence and analysis that the HSCA was correct on this crucial point.

Usual MTG crap. In the same photo, someone also took Harold Norman and placed him somewhere else.
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We've known when Connally was hit for over 60 years now. He was hit at Z234. We know this from Connally himself. After viewing the Zapruder film in slow motion several times, he told the WC he wasn't hit before Z230. In 1966, LIFE magazine allowed him to study a high-quality print of the Zapruder film under high magnification. After doing so for some time, Connally reached two key conclusions:

1. He was certain he was not hit before Z229.

2. He identified Z234 as the moment of impact.

Connally had valid reasons for selecting Z234 as the moment of impact. Starting in Z238 his right shoulder rapidly collapses, his cheeks puff, and a pained expression appears on his face. The right-shoulder collapse matches Connally's earliest descriptions of the bullet's impact: he said the impact felt like someone hit him powerfully in the back with their first.

A Z234 hit makes perfect sense with what we see in the Zapruder film. It makes total sense that a bullet that hit Connally in the back would only take four Zapruder frames--4/18ths of a second or 218.4 milliseconds--to drive his right shoulder downward. 218.4 milliseconds is in the range of the speed of an eye blink. Eye-blink speed ranges between 100 and 400 milliseconds.

Similarly, the forced expulsion of air from Connally's lungs would have been quite rapid and forceful, quickly causing his cheeks to puff, just as we see in the Zapruder film virtually simultaneously with his right-shoulder drop. The cheeks start to puff just a frame or two after the right shoulder starts to drop.

Also, the shattering of 4 inches of rib bone alone was extremely painful and would have quickly caused a pained expression to appear on Connally's face. Forensic science tells us that when people experience a sharp pain, it only takes 150-300 milliseconds to react with a pained facial expression.

Jim Moore, one of the most honest WC defenders around, concludes that Connally was hit at Z236 and he basis this partly on the rapid collapse of Connally's right shoulder starting in Z238 (Conspiracy of One, pp. 198-199, see also p. 159, where he says that Connally's right shoulder "drops dramatically").

Obviously, these reactions make no sense in a Z224-hit scenario. It most would not have taken Connally's right shoulder 14 frames to begin to be driven downward, nor would it have taken 14 frames for Connally to react with a pained facial expression and for his cheeks to puff.

It is worth noting that Dr. Robert Shaw, Connally's chest surgeon, studied the Zapruder film and concluded the bullet struck the Governor at Z236, "give or take 1 or 2 frames, and that Dr. Charles Gregory, Connally's wrist surgeon, opined that the hit occurred between Z234 and Z238.

But, of course, WC defenders here cannot accept the fact that Connally was not hit before Z229 because it destroys any version of their untenable Z220-224 SBT.
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If anyone wants to read the best response to the case against Oswald ever written to date, it is available free of charge online. It is Barry Krusch's 2012 book Impossible: The Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald. The book is available for free viewing and download here:

https://krusch.com/books/Impossible_Case_Against_Lee_Harvey_Oswald.pdf

The problems with the case against Oswald that I discuss in the OP are literally the tip of the iceberg. Krusch picks apart the so-called "evidence" against Oswald piece by piece in exhaustive detail. The book was originally published in three volumes, but the online version contains all three volumes in one PDF (totaling 1,072 pages).

One of Krusch's most important chapters is his chapter on the photographic evidence that someone was moving boxes in the sixth-floor window within 2 minutes after the shooting when Oswald could not have been there (volume 1, pp. 21-52). This was also the conclusion of the HSCA's photographic experts: "There is an apparent rearranging of boxes within two minutes after the last shot was fired at President Kennedy" (6 HSCA 109; see also 6 HSCA 109-115 and 4 HSCA 422-423). Krusch proves with additional photographic evidence and analysis that the HSCA was correct on this crucial point.
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The hole in the back of JBC's shirt proves you are wrong. You can't just ignore this inconvenient evidence.
The hole is entirely consistent with a nose-on impact at an angle and entirely inconsistent with a tumbling bullet.
And is it just me who finds the idea that the bullet would have continued 'tumbling' as it passed through JBC's torso ridiculous.
It continues rotating as it smashes through flesh and bone??
Where is all this rotational energy coming from?
It's like Corbett's suggestion that the bullet starts rotating 1000 per second as soon as it leaves JFK's throat!

I agree the bullet could deviate from its course as a result of passing through JBC and exit his chest on a different trajectory.
When it strikes his radius the bullet fragments. Tiny fragments are spread throughout his wrist (as shown in the pre-op X-Rays). A Slightly larger fragment passes through his wrist (explaining the "slit-like" exit wound in the crease of his wrist and the lack of a bullet hole through his wrist). But the largest fragment, the majority of the bullet, is deflected down into his leg after which it falls to the floor of Trauma Room 2 as JBC is being transferred from his stretcher to the operating table.

The hole in the back of JBC's shirt proves you are wrong. You can't just ignore this inconvenient evidence.


Absolutely meaningless. The tear in the coat and the wound in his back were both elongated. The wound on the rib was caused by a bullet sliding along the rib with the bullet in a vertical position for 10 CM before pushing through the rib.

Dr. SHAW - The fact that the muscle bundles on either side of the fifth rib were not damaged meant that the missile to strip away 10 centimeters of the rib had to follow this rib pretty much along its line of inclination.

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The hole is entirely consistent with a nose-on impact at an angle and entirely inconsistent with a tumbling bullet.

No, tumbling or yawing is a very rational explanation. Are you are promoting the idea the bullet went from Elongated (coat) to puncture (shirt) to elongated (back wound), and the hole in the shirt was cut back taking samples to the point no one knows what it looked like to begin with. There is no definitive explanation for how a shirt would tear as the bullet passes through it.

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And is it just me who finds the idea that the bullet would have continued 'tumbling' as it passed through JBC's torso ridiculous.

It continues rotating as it smashes through flesh and bone??


Why do you think it is cartwheeling? Yawing was the description I always read. Nose up or down.

The bullet was considered to be undamaged as it left JBC’s chest, but with greatly reduced velocity. The only damage that could possible have occurred to the bullet was when it struck the radius bone in the wrist which the rear of the bullet is flattened as a result. By the time the bullet had entered the wrist the velocity of the bullet had been greatly reduced which is exhibited in the shallow ˝ inch deep thigh wound.

Dr. SHAW - The wound entrance was an elliptical wound. In other words, it had a long diameter and a short diameter. It didn't have the appearance of a wound caused by a high velocity bullet that had not struck anything else; in other words, a puncture wound. Now, you have to also take into consideration, however, whether the bullet enters at a right angle or at a tangent. If it enters at a tangent there will be some length to the wound of entrance.

Mr. SPECTER - So, would you say in net that there could have been some tumbling occasioned by having it pass through another body or perhaps the oblique character of entry might have been occasioned by the angle of entry.
Dr. SHAW - Yes; either would have explained a wound of entry.

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Where is all this rotational energy coming from?
It's like Corbett's suggestion that the bullet starts rotating 1000 per second as soon as it leaves JFK's throat!
 
I agree the bullet could deviate from its course as a result of passing through JBC and exit his chest on a different trajectory.
When it strikes his radius the bullet fragments. Tiny fragments are spread throughout his wrist (as shown in the pre-op X-Rays). A Slightly larger fragment passes through his wrist (explaining the "slit-like" exit wound in the crease of his wrist and the lack of a bullet hole through his wrist). But the largest fragment, the majority of the bullet, is deflected down into his leg after which it falls to the floor of Trauma Room 2 as JBC is being transferred from his stretcher to the operating table
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It was a round exit wound in JBC's wrist and a round entrance wound in JBC's thigh.

The bullet entered the wrist backwards with parts of his clothing on it and exited leaving a perfectly round hole in his wrist and then left a ˝ inch deep wound in his thigh. Leaving only a minute amount of flakes from the bullet. No large fragments at all. By this point the bullet is a very reduced velocity.

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