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JFK Assassination & General Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 10:38:48 PM »
I will never understand why so many people look at eye and ear witness accounts as if they are empirical evidence.
Yes. You never will unless you actually work with witnesses.
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Witness accounts, by themselves, do not establish anything as factual.
That is partly correct when dealing with a few witnesses who may not be independent.  Without the opportunity of a party adverse in interest to cross-examine a witness it is difficult to assess a witness’ accuracy ;)

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Witnesses can be, and often are, wrong.
It depends on what you mean by “wrong”. There is a difference between seeing JFK move left after the first shot and “ducking” but a huge differnce between either of those and continuing to smile and wave for several seconds after the first shot.


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The only time I will point to an eye or ear witness as evidence is if that witness can be corroborated by forensic evidence.
Most major crimes and virtually all minor ones that result in convictions are solved using witness evidence.  If courts took that approach, there would be few convictions. 
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All I can say is you are very consistent. Consistently WRONG.

Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

You really should stop talking about yourself like that.

-- Tom
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Easily found on Google Images...

   You now have a Trifecta of Mis ID's to your credit. (1) Shelley, (2) Lovelady, and (3) Molina. All I can say is you are very consistent. Consistently WRONG.
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Joe Molina is easily found on Google Images...

Just curious: As Credit Manager at the TSBD, did he wear a suit to work every day?
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Easily found on Google Images...
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  DOYLE - You must have no idea what Molina looks like. 
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You guys say this about every item of evidence that you can't explain.

I'm guessing you haven't bothered to read any of the articles and videos that I've linked in previous replies.

Would you care to offer an explanation for the evidence that Weldon presents, for starters? No, of course not. When at least eight witnesses in three different locations independently confirm something, such corroboration is usually considered to be very strong evidence.
The lack of damage to the windshield in Altgens 6 has already been pretty thoroughly explained. Yourf OP fails completely at that point, and can't be resuscitated by anything Weldon presented.


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What makes you think your musings are worth reading. The stuff you post is silly enough. We don't need to go on a scavenger hunt to find further evidence of your silliness.
Not nearly as strong as forensic evidence.
Look how Barb Junkkarinen researched this question vs. how Michael Griffith looked into it (Junkkarinen was a conspiracist not a lone assassin believer). She didn't uncritically accept any claims about seeing a hole, she looked into them, tried to re-create where they were, what they could see. Were they credible? She sifted through the evidence pro and con, weighed them, and came to a conclusion. Whether it was right or not is second to the question of *how* she studied the issue.

Michael Griffith simply accepts the bullet hole claims (how would a spectator not at the scene know what caused the "hole"?), does no deeper research into the accounts, dismisses counter claims and then concludes that the evidence by itself "refutes" the long assassin theory.

Meanwhile, at the same time he accepts the acoustic analysis which theorized there was no frontal shot at that time. It didn't happen they said. If he believes the acoustics analysis then he can't believe in a early frontal shot and certainly not here at circa Z 260 or so.
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You guys say this about every item of evidence that you can't explain.

I'm guessing you haven't bothered to read any of the articles and videos that I've linked in previous replies.

What makes you think your musings are worth reading. The stuff you post is silly enough. We don't need to go on a scavenger hunt to find further evidence of your silliness.
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Would you care to offer an explanation for the evidence that Weldon presents, for starters? No, of course not. When at least eight witnesses in three different locations independently confirm something, such corroboration is usually considered to be very strong evidence.

Not nearly as strong as forensic evidence.
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JFK Assassination & General Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 04:36:22 PM »
Same cherry picked BS: doesn't make it so.
Why do you even bother?

I do it for amusement only. I have no illusions that I might actually talk some sense into one of the CTs. Many years ago, I did see one CT change sides, and that was Dr. Bob Artwohl. I don't think I was the sole reason for his change of position but he did point some of the points I made as part of the reason he switched.
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