JFK Assassination Forum

Your silence over the other witnesses speaks volumes.

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

When it comes to the following witnesses, so does yours.


Witnesses Placing the First Shot Earlier than Z-160:


1. Nellie Connally

In some statements, she says the shot came as they were turning, not after straightening out.

This places the sound before Z-155, possibly Z-140–150.

Other statements shift it slightly later, which is why she appears in both timing camps.


2. William Greer

In early accounts, Greer indicates the sound occurred during the turn.

Later testimony places it just after the turn.

The “during the turn” version implies earlier than Z-160.


3. Roy Kellerman

Described the first shot as coming almost immediately upon entering Elm Street.

Depending on how strictly one interprets “upon entering,” this can be Z-140–150 rather than Z-160.


4. Jean Hill

In early interviews, she indicates the sound came very quickly after the turn, almost as the car emerged from behind the Stemmons sign area.

Some reconstructions place her first-shot perception slightly earlier than Z-160.


5. Lee Bowers

Described the first report as occurring before any visible reaction or “disturbance.”

His vantage allows a pre-reaction placement, sometimes put before Z-160 in strict reconstructions.


-- Tom

Q - How many of the witnesses stated that the limo had passed their location at the time of the first shot
A - All of them

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Question:

How is it that one of your precious witnesses, Ernest Brandt, described your "Z-222 first shot" as thunderous whereas others said it sounded like a firecracker or just another of those darn motorcycle backfires?

Answer:

The Z-222 shot was Oswald's second, and, unlike his missing-everything first shot, the muzzle of his short-rifle was outside the Sniper's Nest window.

-- Tom

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

How many of your "Z-222 first shot" witnesses said they heard two shots after it?

-- Tom

Q - How many of the witnesses stated that the limo had passed their location at the time of the first shot

A - All of them

 

Surely even a troll like you must accept the obvious implications of this evidence.

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Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Trolls who call other people "troll" are the biggest trolls of all.

-- Tom

  I agree with you regarding Kamp probably enhancing the alleged Lovelady shirt.  Kamp fudged things to fit his Prayer Man scenario. I do not believe that: (1) Calvery could travel to Lovelady & Shelley, (2) tell them about JFK being shot, (3) Lovelady & Shelley then be filmed walking down the Elm St Ext, (4) ALL within 20 seconds following the kill shot.

Common Sense tells us it is impossible for Gloria to make it back to the front steps, tell everyone there about the assassination, after which Shelley and Lovelady are pictured walking down the Elm St Ext.
100% that did not happen.
Trolls like Tom are not interested in Common Sense or what's possible in reality.
As far as he is concerned, Kamp has magically produced an image of Lovelady and no amount of evidence can change what's left of his mind.

However, it is perfectly possible for Gloria to make it back to the front steps in the allotted time, where Darnell pictured her telling Lovelady and everyone on the steps about the assassination: