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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Why the James Tague Wounding Refutes the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 01:37:07 PM »
Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 01:01:49 PM
Just to be accurate, Posner's theory is that the alleged lone gunman's first bullet hit a limb of the intervening oak tree -- not a leaf, but a limb. Then, so the theory goes, the bullet's jacket separated from the lead core, and the bullet then sent two large fragments streaking in different directions, one striking the pavement behind the limo and the other magically weaving through the other tree limbs and jetting straight to the Tague curb site over 400 feet away.

Yes, it is fairy-tale material to assume that a supposed "sharpshooter" aimed at JFK's head or upper back but was so wildly off the mark that the bullet hit one of the tree limbs, and even hit far enough up the limb so the limb didn't snap or bend. No sensible, rational, objective person is going to buy such an utterly absurd scenario.

Specter and the FBI recognized immediately that the Tague wounding wreaked havoc on their single-assassin theory, which is why they ignored it for as long as they dared. Indeed, as mentioned, when the WC finally asked the FBI to investigate the Tague incident, the Dallas FBI claimed they could not find the Tague curb scar and theorized that street cleaners had wiped it away!

Like most CTs, MTG ignores the obvious difficulties with the first shot that were not present for the subsequent shots. The first shot was by far the most difficult one and not at all surprising that Oswald would completely miss with it. He also pretends Posner's theory is the only viable one available to those who believe Oswald acted alone. 

Nothing about the Tague injury calls into question the lone assassin scenario. There are plausible explanations for Tague's injury that are perfectly consistent with Oswald as the lone gunman.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Summary of Some of the Major Problems with the JFK Medical Evidence
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 01:33:34 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on Yesterday at 12:14:27 PM

Quote from: Ted Sager on Today at 07:30:01 AM
How did the dent by the mirror happen then? X-ray showed clean pass through. Where did this slug go?? Bullet hit K in top of his head, blew out right front, making this a left rear shot. Shooter's location shows in Z-film.

It was probably caused by a largish bullet fragment from the Z-313 shot.

That's very implausible. Any fragment exiting JFK's skull would have been traveling either upward or rightward, assuming for the sake of argument that the exit wound was exclusively in the right parietal bone (as claimed by the lone-gunman theory). How would a fragment that exited the right side of the skull have magically veered leftward and upward to hit the chrome above the rearview mirror? How would that have worked? 

Quote from: Tom Graves on Yesterday at 12:14:27 PM
Another fragment from that shot may have hit the curb down by James Tague and caused a piece of concrete to nick his face.

That's even more ridiculous, for the reasons I detail in my ongoing thread Why the James Tague Wounding Refutes the Lone-Gunman Theory

Do you understand that your magic head-shot fragment would have first had to veer markedly leftward and upward just to clear both the roll bar and the windshield and get on course to the curb? Do you understand that the Tague curb spot and Tague himself were to the left of the limo at the time? How would a bullet that exited the right parietal bone have suddenly performed like a guided missile to clear the roll bar and windshield while also veering leftward to get on course to the curb over 200 feet away, and how would it then still have had enough velocity to blast a chip from the curb and send that chip streaking toward Tague with enough force to cut his face?

This is the kind of ludicrous, fairy-tale speculation that one must offer to defend the lone-gunman shooting scenario.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Dallas DPD'er Joe Hill and D. Sheriff Seymour Weitzman...Saw What?
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 01:29:11 PM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 12:13:38 PM
Bagley said that LHO was a witting asset in Russia.

Given the context -- Malcolm Blunt's showing Bagley some CIA documents that indicated that all of the incoming non-CIA cables on Oswald's defection went to Solie's office in the Office of Security instead of where they would have normally gone (the Soviet Russia Division) -- Bagley said in so many words that since that sort of re-routing had to be arranged in advance, someone in the CIA must have sent Oswald to Moscow, and therefore Oswald must have known he was being sent to Moscow by someone in the CIA . . . and as a "dangle" in a mole hunt.

The only question is: was he sent on an America-protecting kind of mole hunt, or one designed to protect a KGB mole by getting it to focus on the wrong part of the CIA?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Dallas DPD'er Joe Hill and D. Sheriff Seymour Weitzman...Saw What?
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 01:11:26 PM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on August 24, 2026, 04:16:53 AM
One of the unexplained curiosities of the JFKA is that not one but two law enforcement officers separately encountered a man in the GK area, in the immediate aftermath of the JFKA, who flashed a Secret Service credential at each of them. 

Sure, one can assume anyone can mistake, even a law enforcement officer looking at and noting ID 11.22.

But two law enforcement officers, men in good-standing?

AFAIK, the Weitzman and Hill were in no meaningful way connected to each other, had no agendas or axes to grind, and were not CT-addled lefties.

I conclude someone flashed a Secret Service credential at Weitzman and Hill, in separate incidents, on 11.22.

There were no Secret Service agents in the GK area on 11.22, by the records and statement of the Secret Service itself.

Moreover, no one from the Secret Service ever came forward and said, "Oh, that was me on the GK. It was my day off, but I came down to watch the motorcade."

Similarly, no one from another agency, such as the federal ATF, came forward and said, "Oh, that was me. The ATF badge resembles the SS badge." 

Of course, the location of the ersatz Secret Service-badge flasher, near the GK, is where credible witnesses saw a puff of smoke (Sam Holland and others) and where from many ear-witnesses thought they heard gunshots.

The HSCA, and Tink Thompson, say there are anomalies on photographs indicating a person was in the GK area, during the gunshots, and then left.

There is the unsettling movement of JFK's head post Z-312.

Add it up, and I have reasonable doubts about LNT's (and most CT's, but that is another topic).

In addition, there Officer Joe Smith's encounter with a man on the grassy knoll less than 40 seconds after the shooting who showed him Secret Service credentials and who prevented him from going farther. The HSCA established that there were no Secret Service agents in the plaza after the motorcade left.

Moreover, let's not forget that Officer D. V. Harkness reported that he encountered two men in suits in the rear of the TSBD shortly after the shooting and that the men told him they were Secret Service agents. Thus, one cannot say that Harkness misidentified an ID badge that was shown to him, which is what Posner and other WC apologists say happened in the case of Officer Smith. Harkness specified that the two men told him they were Secret Service.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Why the James Tague Wounding Refutes the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 01:06:08 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 12:44:43 PM
I'm all for following the science as long as it is good science. During Covid, we were told to follow the science and now we know Fauci was full of sh*t.

You're full of beans.

Far-Right Libertarians are the worst.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Why the James Tague Wounding Refutes the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 01:01:49 PM »
Quote from: Matt Brooks on August 24, 2026, 07:15:32 PM
Very hard to convince me a BULLET aiming for the president's head deflected off a leave (which by all accounts is not supposed to be strong enough to deflect a bullet).
Bullet hitting a curb and knocking a piece of rock/glass and hitting an onlooker? Plausible, i guess.
A bullet deflecting off a tree leave? total BS:

Just to be accurate, Posner's theory is that the alleged lone gunman's first bullet hit a limb of the intervening oak tree -- not a leaf, but a limb. Then, so the theory goes, the bullet's jacket separated from the lead core, and the bullet then sent two large fragments streaking in different directions, one striking the pavement behind the limo and the other magically weaving through the other tree limbs and jetting straight to the Tague curb site over 400 feet away.

Yes, it is fairy-tale material to assume that a supposed "sharpshooter" aimed at JFK's head or upper back but was so wildly off the mark that the bullet hit one of the tree limbs, and even hit far enough up the limb so the limb didn't snap or bend. No sensible, rational, objective person is going to buy such an utterly absurd scenario.

Specter and the FBI recognized immediately that the Tague wounding wreaked havoc on their single-assassin theory, which is why they ignored it for as long as they dared. Indeed, as mentioned, when the WC finally asked the FBI to investigate the Tague incident, the Dallas FBI claimed they could not find the Tague curb scar and theorized that street cleaners had wiped it away!
 
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: My Book Review of Six Seconds in Dallas
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 12:55:41 PM »
Quote from: Fred Litwin on Yesterday at 12:25:34 PM
https://youtu.be/pD7mpVjxgK8?si=zQpVrkN0UnIx2wdk

On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 44, Six Seconds in Dallas Book Review

Six Seconds in Dallas is a beautifully produced book. The book designer did a terrific job. But the content is not so good.

That validates the old adage that you can't judge a book by its cover.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The Dealey Plaza Storm Drain Sewer Theory 1992
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 12:54:37 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Yesterday at 06:36:03 AM
    You continue to show you do Not Know what is going on with Knott Lab. Yes, Knott Lab is a "work in progress". They are working on finding out where the shots did come from. Step 1 was their finding that the SBT "Is Impossible".

They know, or at least they should know, that a bullet struck JFK's upper back two inches to the right of his spine and exited from near the center of his throat. Their animation showed that bullet would have struck JBC somewhere depending on where they positioned him. They moved him from various positions from directly in front of JFK to well to the left of JFK. They showed the bullet striking JBC just to the left of his right armpit when JBC was slightly to the left of JFK, exactly where he was when the bullet hit. Since we know where JBC was actually struck, logic would dictate he must have been slightly to the left of JFK when the bullet struck him just to the left of his right armpit. Since they provide no explanation for why they determined the SBT was impossible, we are left to guess. My guess is their simulation validates the SBT. It does not refute it.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Why the James Tague Wounding Refutes the Lone-Gunman Theory
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 12:44:43 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Yesterday at 06:22:17 AM
   Knott Lab and forensic science has declared the SBT, "Is Impossible". Follow the Science. Over the last 40 yrs, Knott Lab has been the Gold Standard when it comes to tracing bullet trajectories. Admitted as Evidence inside courtrooms across the USA.

I looked at the Knott Lab 3D animation and compared to Dale Myers' work, it is primitive, even though Myers did his animation 20 years earlier. It looked like Knott Lab was using 1980s technology. By Knott's own admission, their simulation was a work in progress. Mostly it show still frame from various perspectives and not ones that would demonstrate the path of the bullet in relation to JFK and JBC. In one view they showed JBC from various positions in front of JFK. They started with JBC directly in front of JFK, which is not where he was when the bullet struck, and gradually slid him to the left, showing where the bullet exiting JFK's throat would have struck JBC. When directly in front of JFK, it showed the bullet hitting JBC on the left side of his back. They then gradually slid JBC leftward showing where the bullet would have struck him in various positions. At one point, it showed the bullet striking JBC exactly where it did, just to the left of his right armpit. By the time they slid him to the far left, they showed the bullet hitting him in the right arm. Since they showed this animation from a side view, we cannot determine just where JBC was in relation to JFK at any point but it appeared to me when JBC was aligned to be struck by the bullet near his right armpit, it looked very close to the position he was actually in when the bullet struck, slightly to the left of JFK. In every position they placed him, their simulation showed the bullet would have hit somewhere from the left side of his back to his right arm. We know he wasn't hit in the left side of his back and we know he wasn't hit in the right arm. He was struck just to the left of his right armpit. Logic would dictate that whatever simulated position JBC was in to be struck by the bullet exiting JFK's throat, that must have been where he actually was at the time.

I'm all for following the science as long as it is good science. During Covid, we were told to follow the science and now we know Fauci was full of sh*t.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / My Book Review of Six Seconds in Dallas
« Last post by Fred Litwin on Yesterday at 12:25:34 PM »
On the Trail of Delusion, Episode 44, Six Seconds in Dallas Book Review

Six Seconds in Dallas is a beautifully produced book. The book designer did a terrific job. But the content is not so good.

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