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Without the Z-film, how would Frazier know JBC was turned too far to the right. There would have been no Z210 and no Z240.

The Z-film was the timepiece for the JFKA. Without it, the WC would have nothing to base the timing of the assassination on the sequence of the shots.
That was my point:  “So it does appear that the zfilm was important in creating the SBT.”

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They probably would have figured out the headshot was the final shot but would have nothing but conflicting eyewitness accounts on which to base much else. More unknowns would have given the CTs more opportunities to fill in the blanks.
They would not have had conflicting witness accounts on the first shot causing JFK to immediately react. That’s why I suggested that if the SBT had been considered (because JFK did not stop the neck bullet) it likely would have been a first shot SBT. 
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You've been given every opportunity to illustrate how it would even be possible for Oswald to shoot JBC in the back when JBC was facing him and you have declined to do so. We both know you can't do it because you know that would have been impossible. Since your entire theory of what happened collapses without that element, there is no point in even discussing the rest of your silly theory which has a whole bunch of other problems.

You have managed to do one thing. You have the LNs and CTs agreeing with each other on something. We all know how ludicrous your theory is.
I see that should have said:

MASON: Well an argument is not the same as contradiction.
CORBETT: Can be.
MASON: No it can’t. An argument’s a collective series of statements to establish a definite proposition.  In this case, the witnesses say the first shot struck JFK and the vast majority said last two shots were closer together. That means a separate shot hit JBC after the midpoint between 1 and 3. I have explained how the bullet path through the body, as found by Dr. Shaw, is consistent with hitting JBC while his torso is twisted around so his shoulders are sideways in the car. In that position a path from the lateral edge of the scapula to right nipple goes around the pleural cavity.    The wounds are inconsistent with him facing forward because when facing forward the path from back wound to exit wound goes through the pleural cavity.  If you want to contradict that it is up to you to provide evidence to the contrary.
CORBETT: No it isn't and no I don't. You have to disprove my spidey senses and they tell me that JBC could not have been hit in the torso at z271.
MASON: No I don't.  You keep just contradicting.
CORBETT:  Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
MASON: But it isn’t just saying, “no it isn’t.”
CORBETT:  Yes it is!
MASON: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction’s just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
CORBETT:  No it isn’t.  ....
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Blunt can say whatever he wants. But show me the evidence.

fred

Dear fweddy,

The evidence that probable KGB mole Bruce Leonard Solie (look him up) hid from the HSCA the Office of Security's files on, among others, E. Howard Hunt, June Viola Cobb, Bernard L. Barker, J. Walton Moore, David Atlee Phillips, Priscilla Johnson McMillan, William Gaudet, Luis Clemente Posada Carriles, Joaquin Godoy y Solis, Nicolas Petrulli, Dorothe Matlack, Norman Rothman, Francisco Rodriguez (Tamayo), Antonio Cuesta-Valle, and Claude B. Capehart, and . . . gasp . . . Richard Case Nagell?

-- Tom
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And so it goes - my apologies to Monty Python:

MASON: Well an argument is not the same as contradiction.
CORBETT: Can be.
MASON: No it can’t. An argument’s a collective series of statements to establish a definite proposition.  In this case, the witnesses say the first shot struck JFK and the vast majority said last two shots were closer together. That means a separate shot hit JBC after the midpoint between 1 and 3.  If you want to contradict that it is up to you to provide evidence to the contrary.
CORBETT: No it isn't and no I don't. You have to disprove my spidey senses and they tell me that JBC could not have been hit in the torso at z271.
MASON: No I don't.  You keep just contradicting.
CORBETT:  Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
MASON: But it isn’t just saying, “no it isn’t.”
CORBETT:  Yes it is!
MASON: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction’s just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
CORBETT:  No it isn’t.  ....

You've been given every opportunity to illustrate how it would even be possible for Oswald to shoot JBC in the back when JBC was facing him and you have declined to do so. We both know you can't do it because you know that would have been impossible. Since your entire theory of what happened collapses without that element, there is no point in even discussing the rest of your silly theory which has a whole bunch of other problems.

You have managed to do one thing. You have the LNs and CTs agreeing with each other on something. We all know how ludicrous your theory is.
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It's pointless even discussing any of this other crap because if you can't show it's even possible for JBC to be shot in the back at Z271, the rest of your theory collapses like a house of cards. I'm not even asking you to prove he was shot in that back at or about Z271. Just show us that it was possible. Apparently, you can't do that.
And so it goes - my apologies to Monty Python:

MASON: Well an argument is not the same as contradiction.
CORBETT: Can be.
MASON: No it can’t. An argument’s a collective series of statements to establish a definite proposition.  In this case, the witnesses say the first shot struck JFK and the vast majority said last two shots were closer together. That means a separate shot hit JBC after the midpoint between 1 and 3.  If you want to contradict that it is up to you to provide evidence to the contrary.
CORBETT: No it isn't and no I don't. You have to disprove my spidey senses and they tell me that JBC could not have been hit in the torso at z271.
MASON: No I don't.  You keep just contradicting.
CORBETT:  Look, if I argue with you, I must take up a contrary position.
MASON: But it isn’t just saying, “no it isn’t.”
CORBETT:  Yes it is!
MASON: Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction’s just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says.
CORBETT:  No it isn’t.  ....
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  Thank you for helping me build my case.

As it turns out, I was wrong. New York held the #1 spot throughout the 1960s. It was the 1970 census that pushed California to the #1 spot.
In the 1960 election, New York was #1 by a wide margin with 45 electoral votes. California was tied with Pennsylvania with 32 apiece. Both Illinois and Ohio had more votes than Texas. Believe it or not, Florida had only 10 electoral votes.

California closed the gap following the 1960 census trailing New York 43-40. Following the 1970 census California took over #1 by a 45-41 margin. Pennsylvania held the #3 spot with 27, one ahead of both Illinois and Texas at 26.
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I believe until the 1960 census, it was #1

  Thank you for helping me build my case.
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Must be sad to believe so thoroughly in something so ridiculous.


   If this is "so ridiculous", it should be easy for you to show me this 17.5 Feet long car, standing almost 5 Feet high, parked alongside the Island on the Wiegman Film. Just show this car. It ain't there!

   This intended "getaway" car moved into position alongside the Island under 20 seconds after the kill shot. The car was abandoned when DPD Officer Smith ran past the driver side of the car and DPD Officer Baker ran past the front bumper of the car. Both DPD officers did this Less than 30 seconds after the kill shot. This happening, this quickly, alarmed those inside the "getaway" car.

  This "getaway" car is still the subject of an active investigation.    .....................................  STAY TUNED   ................................................
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   Seriously? The population of New York has been declining for years. This is why it is Now 4th largest with electoral votes. It was #2 forever. So, the total population declines but the number of people voting increases? That's a Red Flag!

I believe until the 1960 census, it was #1
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They need to get motivated and turn out in greater numbers and outvote the crazy leftists. The turnout rate in New York when Mamdani got elected was the largest for a mayoral election in 50 years which indicates to me the socialists were far more motivated than the normal people. That said, these people are victims but it is not my responsibility to rescue them from socialism. They will have to figure out how to do that themselves.

What will happen is the millionaires will largely move out of the city into the suburbs or move to low tax red states. That means the middle and lower classes will shoulder an even larger share of the tax burden. The problem with socialism is it soon runs out of other people's money to steal from the rich and give to the poor. Mamdani is already finding out New York can't pay for a fraction of the "free" things he promised and it is only going to get worse as the tax base shrinks.

   Seriously? The population of New York has been declining for years. This is why it is Now 4th largest with electoral votes. It was #2 forever. So, the total population declines but the number of people voting increases? That's a Red Flag!
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