Dear danny BOY o'meara,

Those Secret Service guys in the follow-up car were so mixed up (from the chaos of the moment, lack of sleep and possible "Salty Dick" hangovers) that they confused the "firecracker"-sound at "Z-124" (which they didn't turn around after) with Oswald's second shot at approximately Z-222 (which they did turn around after).

LOL!

-- Tom

The HSCA panel of photographic analysis experts were split on what the Zapruder film shows. Two dimensional imagery. The belief of the several members of the HSCA FPP was based on interpretation of the abrasion margin of the wound. I recall that there are two different descriptions of the abrasion margins found in the HSCA volumes. I could be wrong though.

Yes, here you go proving once again that you are immune to facts and reason. I would note that you still have said nothing, absolutely nothing, about Dr. Baden's demonstration of the supposed magic bullet's alleged trajectory through the neck, and about his demonstration of how far forward JFK would have had to be leaning to make the trajectory align with a shot fired from the sixth-floor window.

Instead, you've launched into diversionary nonsense about the downward angle through Connally's chest, and in doing so you have, as usual, assumed as a given the myth that the bullet that supposedly exited JFK's throat was the bullet that hit Connally in the back.

Anyway, let's continue.

You're doubling down on absurdity. The HSCA FPP's report corrects this blunder. Let's read from the FPP's report -- again:

Dr. Baden's report comments on the angle of the trajectory:

Positioning the Governor while erect in the anatomic posture shows the missile track to proceed from back to front downwards at approximately a 10-degree angle for a distance of 12 1/2 inches through the body. (7 HSCA 150)

Again, have you looked at a diagram of Connally's torso wounds? There is no way the bullet's downward angle was 45 degrees. Did you flunk high-school geometry?

I notice you said nothing about the fact that the WC said the downward angle through Connally's torso was 25 degrees, not your impossible fantasy of 45 degrees. Let's read what the Warren Report says about this -- again:

When Governor Connally testified before the Commission 5 months after the assassination, on April 21, 1964, the Commission observed the Governor's chest wounds, as well as the injuries to his wrist and thigh and watched Dr. Shaw measure with a caliper an angle of declination of 25 degrees from the point of entry on the back to the point of exit on the front of the Governor's chest. (p. 93)

No, the problem is that you refuse to process and explain contrary facts. You still have said nothing about the fact that in order to get the HSCA FPP's SBT trajectory to align with the sixth-floor window, you have to assume, as Dr. Baden demonstrated, that JFK was leaning far forward when the bullet hit, but no photo or footage shows JFK leaning that far forward during the timeframe of the alleged SBT strike.

You also keep ignoring the fact that the HSCA FPP destroyed the WC's erroneous assumption that the back wound was above the throat wound and that the supposed magic bullet traveled at a downward angle through the neck. 

LOL! This is the problem! Your answer to every fact that clearly refutes the SBT is to reject those facts because they refute the SBT! You judge fact by theory instead of judging theory by fact.

Now, as for your repetition of your bogus circular argument that there is no explanation for Connally's wounds without the SBT, I have refuted this nonsense several times in previous discussions with you, but you just keep repeating it.

So, I will note yet again that I and many other scholars have pointed out that a bullet fired from any number of other locations to the rear of the limo, such as a lower floor of the Dal-Tex Building or the County Records Building, could have missed JFK and hit Connally in the back.

First off, it's called logic and critical thinking. It is utter diversionary hokum to assume that the Connally back-wound bullet exited JFK's throat when numerous facts self-evidently refute this fantasy, such as

(1) the fact that no bullet fired from the sixth-floor window could have hit JFK's back and transited his neck at an upward angle (since JFK was never leaning far enough forward to make such a trajectory possible),

(2) the fact that JFK's back wound was far too low to have exited the throat (since the holes in the back of JFK's shirt and coat were 5 inches below the collar),

(3) the fact that no bullet exited JFK's throat (since there was no bullet hole through the tie and no nick on either edge of the tie knot, and since the throat wound was small and punched inward and the damage behind the throat wound was larger than the wound itself, all of which are textbook traits of an entry wound, not an exit wound),

and (4) the fact that JFK's back wound had no exit point (as we now know from the 11/26/63 FBI report on the autopsy, from the transcript of the WC's 1/27/64 executive session, and from numerous ARRB and related disclosures based on recorded interviews with autopsy witnesses).

Moreover, as mentioned, several plausible alternative shooting positions behind JFK have been discussed that could have fired a bullet that missed JFK and hit Connally in the back.
 
Objective people who read this thread and my other SBT threads are going to wonder how you can say this poppycock with a straight face.

Maybe your statement was a Freudian slip and you were actually talking about the SBT.

You have no bullet, since every single SBT wound-ballistics test has proved that no bullet could have emerged in CE 399's virtually pristine condition after doing all that damage, and since there were more fragments deposited in Connally's wrist and thigh than could have come from CE 399 (the thigh fragment alone, as shown on one of the x-rays, was 3.5 mm by 1.3 mm).

You have no trajectory, as demonstrated by the 2023 Knott Lab SBT trajectory analysis, the most sophisticated and data-intensive analysis ever done.

You have no medical explanations. Indeed, no bullet in the history of forensic science has done all the damage claimed by the SBT and emerged with less than 4 grains of its substance missing, with its lands and grooves intact, and with only a slight deformation at its base.

And perhaps this is a good time to mention the fact that the man who experienced the SBT's second set of wounds, Gov. Connally himself, adamantly rejected the SBT fantasy that he was hit before Z229.

Huh? Dr. Shaw and Dr. Wecht, the only doctors I've "quoted" in this thread, scoffed at the SBT as pure nonsense.

Are you talking about Dr. Baden?! Uh, he's the one who proved my "ridiculous claim," even though he adhered to the FPP's impossible SBT trajectory through the neck. You see, it sometimes happens that experts will inadvertently disprove a theory they are trying to defend by providing facts that refute the theory because they don't realize that the facts they're presenting actually discredit their theory. In logic, this is called "self-refutation" or the "fallacy of irrelevant reason" (or non sequitur).

You're the only one talking nonsense, and you haven't laid a finger on the facts I've presented about the head wound.