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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 09:47:20 PM »
J. Edgar Hoover was duped by many Soviet intelligence agents over the years, including by GRU Lt. Col. Dmitry Polyakov for one year (1962), by KGB Major Aleksey Kulak for fifteen years (1962 - 1977), by Yuri Nosenko from February 1964, on, by CIA officers Bruce Leonard Solie (look him up) and Leonard V. McCoy (look him up) for who-knows-how-long, by, IMHO, "FBI agents" SOLO (Morris and Jack Childs), and probably by that former Nazi, former POW, former Communist German National crop-duster from Snyder, Oklahoma, Guenter Heinz Schulz (TUMBLEWEED; look him up) who was instrumental in convincing the CIA and the FBI that Oswald had met with the KGB's alleged Western Hemisphere chief of assassinations and sabotage, Valery Kostikov, in Mexico City in September 1963.

Man, you love the ruskies.
You have such a hard on for all things soviet.
What happened to you bro?
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    I agree that much of what you are presenting is IS POSSIBLE. My issue is the Timelines that have been assigned to this short period of time. This includes the Wiegman Film timeline which you use above to support your theory. I do Not believe the timelines that have been assigned to Wiegman, Darnell, and Couch Films are accurate.
   Remember, 2 years ago when the Sixth Floor released the opening :20 seconds of their 1st generation Darnell Film copy, the first few frames of that newly released footage showed ALL 3 Camera Cars at a Dead Stop. It is AFTER seeing these camera cars at a dead Stop, and we see the driver of camera car #2 standing on the ground outside of the car,  that we then see Officer Baker running up the Elm St sidewalk and across the Island toward the TSBD. That camera car driver did not jump out of that camera car and then stand there only 10 seconds after the kill shot. Nobody jumps out of their car when only sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic for 10 seconds. We ALL routinely sit inside our car at a traffic light for a much longer time period than that.
   And the Wiegman Film? Remember, for 30+ YEARS the Wiegman film was ballyhoo'd as being filmed "continuously". Took decades, but this Bogus Wiegman Film timeline was finally proven to be incorrect.
  The assassigned timelines of the people we see in the Wiegman, Darnell, and Couch Films are Wrong.

Thank you for expressing your reservations so succinctly.
You agree the Weiugman film shows the Presidential limo about to enter the underpass, do you not?
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Let's say Gloria was in a position to see JFK's head explode and that made her run as fast as she could back towards the TSBD building.
It has been demonstrated time and time again that she could have covered that distance in 15 seconds.
If there is something about the calculations that is confusing you please let me know.
Look at the Weigman film - less than 10 seconds after the shooting and the area that included Gloria and her friends is totally clear.
Look at the 'woman in white' on the steps in Darnell and Couch, linking arms with the woman in the black head scarf and refute that these are the same women we see in the Z-film. This is the evidence that Gloria was the woman on the steps talking with Lovelady in Darnell/Couch.
Rather than your 'instinct' provide something stronger.

    I agree that much of what you are presenting is IS POSSIBLE. My issue is the Timelines that have been assigned to this short period of time. This includes the Wiegman Film timeline which you use above to support your theory. I do Not believe the timelines that have been assigned to Wiegman, Darnell, and Couch Films are accurate.
   Remember, 2 years ago when the Sixth Floor released the opening :20 seconds of their 1st generation Darnell Film copy, the first few frames of that newly released footage showed ALL 3 Camera Cars at a Dead Stop. It is AFTER seeing these camera cars at a dead Stop, and we see the driver of camera car #2 standing on the ground outside of the car,  that we then see Officer Baker running up the Elm St sidewalk and across the Island toward the TSBD. That camera car driver did not jump out of that camera car and then stand there only 10 seconds after the kill shot. Nobody jumps out of their car when only sitting in bumper-to-bumper traffic for 10 seconds. We ALL routinely sit inside our car at a traffic light for a much longer time period than that.
   And the Wiegman Film? Remember, for 30+ YEARS the Wiegman film was ballyhoo'd as being filmed "continuously". Took decades, but this Bogus Wiegman Film timeline was finally proven to be incorrect.
  The assassigned timelines of the people we see in the Wiegman, Darnell, and Couch Films are Wrong.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 09:30:29 PM »
Your attempt to make J. Edgar Hoover look like some kind of inept figurehead shows your utter ignorance regarding, not just this case, but American history in general.

J. Edgar Hoover was duped by many Soviet intelligence agents over the years, including by GRU Lt. Col. Dmitry Polyakov for one year (1962), by KGB Major Aleksey Kulak for fifteen years (1962 - 1977), by Yuri Nosenko from February 1964, on, by CIA officers Bruce Leonard Solie (look him up) and Leonard V. McCoy (look him up) for who-knows-how-long, by, IMHO, "FBI agents" SOLO (Morris and Jack Childs), probably by that former Nazi, former POW, former Communist German National crop-duster from Snyder, Oklahoma, Guenter Heinz Schulz (TUMBLEWEED / AEBURBLE; look him up) who was instrumental in convincing the CIA and the FBI that Oswald had met with the KGB's alleged Western Hemisphere chief of assassinations and sabotage, Valery Kostikov, in Mexico City in September 1963, and . . . gasp . . . maybe even by James McCord of Watergate notoriety.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 09:17:43 PM »
You're full of shit.
It was dumbass. It was recovered in pieces on the floor of the limo.
A recovered fragmented bullet is still a bullet. Is that too hard for your pea brain to comprehend?
You're a damn liar.
As is stand practice for CTs when the evidence doesn't jibe with your beliefs, you question the evidence instead of your FUBAR beliefs. Please provide us the evidence that supports that suggestion. Hoover was possibly the most clueless person the FBI regarding the JFKA. Apparently whatever was being passed up the chain of command was getting garbled before it got to him. His briefings for LBJ sounded like kid trying to fake his way through a book report for a book he hadn't read.

Is it possible you're loony? No, it's  certainty.

Remind us all again, what is the evidence CE399 was found at Parkland?
Remind us all again of the chain of custody for the bullet fragments found in the limo.

And, just to state the obvious, even to a cretin such as yourself, various bullet fragments DO NOT constitute a single bullet.

And your truly moronic understanding of Hoover's influence over the FBI is unbelievable.
Hoover WAS the FBI. End of story. What he said was gospel.
Your attempt to make him look like some kind of inept figurehead shows your utter ignorance regarding, not just this case, but American history in general.

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Twelve Questions for Andrew Mason.

1) Did Oswald fire any shots?

2) If so, how many?

3) Who, if anyone, did he hit?

4) In which Zapruder frames did he hit them?

5) Where was the other shooter located?

6) Did he or she hit anyone?

7) If so, in which frame(s)?

8 ) If Oswald fired only one or two shots, who planted the extra shells in the Sniper's Nest?

9) Did Oswald fire CE-399?

10) If not, who fired it with his rifle, who planted it, and how did it get so strangely deformed?

11) Was Oswald "patsied"?

12) If so, how many bad guys do you figure were involved, altogether, in the planning, the patsy-ing, the planting of evidence, the shooting, the planting of more evidence, the getting-away, the altering of films, photos, and x-rays, and the all-important (and ongoing) cover-up?

Just a few, or oodles and gobs?

Andrew?
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202608061425
Tom Alyea's Sniper's Nest Mystery Hull

The mystery follows from Warren Commission testimonies of Lt. Carl Day and Detective Richard Sims. Per their testimonies the three hulls found in the sniper's nest were collected and fingerprinted by Lt. Day and then put into an envelope and given to Sims for custody. This is just as the rifle was discovered and the detectives were sent to that area. Later Tom Alyea filmed the sniper's nest just a few minutes before 2 p.m. Therefore, Alyea filmed a hull that should not be there at that time.   


I used a technique of “frame registration and stacking” to obtain a clearer image compared with single video frames of Alyea's film of the Sniper's Nest. The technique and software are widely used in the astronomy community. An enhancement of a 171 frame stack from WFAA video shows an apparent hull near the hull “B” area (DPD Crime Lab photos) but is now rotated towards Alyea's camera. It is similar in shape and size with Mannlicher Carcano spent hulls. There is no gouge or defect in the flooring at this location. The artifact is not viewable in single frames of the film. Perhaps it is viewable in the original 16mm film, if it still exists.

I've timed Alyea's filming that scene at just a very few minutes before 2:00 p.m. when Studebaker and Alyea returned to the sniper's nest after filming the rifle. This is about the same time Lt. Day left the building with the rifle. If I  recall correctly the Warren Commission testimonies the hulls were fingerprinted and bagged just before the rifle was found. There should not be any hull on the floor at the hull “B” location in Alyea's film. It is missing in a crisp photo taken by William Allen around 3 pm. What is this if not a spent rifle shell?
   
The source of the Tom Alyea film clip was the WFAA 40th Anniversary Collector's Edition of the “the story behind the story JFK”. Jay Watson played some of the Alyea film as soon as it was processed for TV. The sniper nest scenes contained the chyron “DALLAS”. This is important as you will read later.

The stacking procedure is almost standard practice for armature astronomers. I was doing this myself during Covid 19 using cell phone video taken of moon features with an 8” telescope. It is this experience that gave me the idea to try it on JFK videos. I don't know of anyone else doing this for JFKA video.

The process of stacking first involves registration of the source frames. This is done automatically after fixed reference features of the SCENE are selected and marked. The software then will internally register the 8 bit frames and stack them into a 16 bit buffer. The final output is a single frame that is the sum of the input frames. The stack then includes all of the features of the input frames as an average frame. The entire process relies on the improvement of signal-to-noise (S/N) as more registered frames are stacked. Video noise in these video frames is essentially averaged and smoothed. The signal to noise improves with a theoretical square root of the number of source images. Thus, for my 171 frame image there is roughly 13x improvement of S/N. The raw image at this point is usually blurrier than any single frame might be.



 
The next step processes the raw stack using special sharpening tools based on “wavelets”. The math is a little beyond me but the image is sharped just by moving sliders until a desired result is (hopefully) found. It is a fairly steep learning curve to get decent results. The end result is an apparent sharpening of fixed points in the scene. Features in the individual frames that change in location and not part of the scene will become blurred or even “ghosted”.

Alyea filmed his scenes as a human tripod. Almost, but he held the camera on his subject fairly steady. But for these 171 frames the camera did move slightly during his filming and, therefore, become blurred with the fixed scene remaining sharp. The same thing holds for possible imperfections, (e.g. a scratch or spec of dirt,), in the camera lens. It too would become blurred as the camera moved. Film development imperfections would also be ghosted. The DALLAS chyron appears blurred because is was not part of the subject scene but added to all frames at a fixed location. The hull is visible due to being a fixed feature in the scene. Alyea filmed the sniper's nest scene with a second take at a lower light exposure level. The scene is darker, and plagued with his “film loop” malfunction. Moreover, a similarly processed stack of this second take shows this same hull in the same location.
I'm attaching the registered 171 frame stack before sharpening. I can't see any evidence for the hull. The registered frames are available to the user and ready for making an un-sharpened stabilized gif. I've done that and playing the video, and knowing where to look, can see fleeting, random sections but never a clear indication that something is actually present. There is just too much video noise. I wonder if the original film might show something there, if the film still exists. Below is an example of another scene from Alyea taken after he and Studebaker left the nest area and are now at the area of the rifle and NW stairs. In the enhanced frame below one can easily identify a flash bulb and Speed Graphic camera atop the boxes. Can you see the bulb in the single frame? Can you even tell that is a camera atop the boxes?


As for the timing of the SN views I relied on the sun interacting with the window's east vertical bricks. In the Alyea film the sun is just beginning to shine on the northern edge of these window bricks. A forum member and I were independently 3D modeling the sniper nest to estimate the timing of the film. Between the two of us there was almost 20 minutes difference of when we simulated the Alyea sun. I was having issues with the various dimensions of the window, that greatly affected the timing. I decided the only way I could get an accurate time would be boots-on-the-ground at the upcoming 2021 November 22'nd anniversary. Buell Frazier was to be the guest speaker and I wished to see him. The weather prediction was clear sky so I planned to spend a few nights in Dallas. Frazier's talk ended about 12:30 p.m. which gave me time get downstairs in order to take a series of photographs. There were many people touring at this time and I had to kinda blend in and orbit around the SN exhibit. Finally at about 13:51 the first rays of sun hit the bricks edge. By about 13:55 the sun was at good match to Alyea's view. By 14:00 the sun appears to have already passed the Alyea view. Thus, I'm confident the true timing is a few minutes before 2:00 p.m.



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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 08:42:31 PM »
Someone let lil' Tommy out of his pen.
In your tiny mind CE399 somehow represents a bullet that smashed one of the most dense, hardest bones in the body.
EVERY SINGLE TEST done with a bullet fired into this bone deformed the bullet to a massive extent, barely recognisable from its original shape.
But your tiny, tiny brain believes uttering the chant "tumbling" somehow, in some insane version of reality, makes things alright.

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

In "Cold Case: JFK," the Haags showed that that kind of bullet fired from that kind of rifle has a tendency to start yawing/tumbling when it exits something soft, like a block of ballistics gel or a human neck.

Which would probably explain why the entrance wound in JBC's back was oblong in shape, why his fifth rib was smashed the way it was, why the exit wound in his chest was so large, why JBC's lapel and tie flapped, how fibers from his jacket were carried by the rear end of CE-399 into his wrist wound, and how his radial bone was smashed the way it was.

In short, CE-399 was deformed so strangely because it hit JBC's rib sideways and was tumbling/twirling when it smashed his radial bone.

If the guys at the arsenal had fired their test bullets so that they passed through a block of ballistics gel or a person's neck before hitting a cadaver's wrist, they might have ended up with the same result -- a bullet whose nose was pristine, but whose rear 1/3 was flattened on one side and which had lost some of its lead core out of its rear-end.

But even if they fire a thousand bullets like that, ending up with a bullet that looks like CE-399 isn't guaranteed, because it's impossible to replicate the exact deformation experienced by a bullet when it passes through something soft (e.g., JFK's neck) and then starts yawing and penetrates something else (e.g., JBC's upper torso) and smashes something sideways (e.g., JBC's 5th rib) and exits that something else (JBC's torso) and then penetrates something else (e.g., JBC's wrist) and smashes something hard (e.g., JBC's radial bone) while travelling initially about 2100 feet-per-second.

D'oh

-- Tom
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I don’t see why the WC investigators would want Bakers time to the  steps to be as soon as 20-25 secs post shots because they’ve got to make sure there was enough time for their suspected 6th floor shooter Oswald to be able to get down to the 2nd floor lunchroom. Likewise They were careful to assign 2 minutes as the time for Mrs Reid’s return to the 2nd floor office so she’s not seeing Oswald too early before Baker/Truly do.

Baker himself thought it probably was closer to 90 secs post shots when he finally got to the door of the 2nd floor lunchroom.

It’s all depending on Mrs Garner. What time did she follow behind Adams and Stiles. She never gave any specific time estimate other than to say she was “right behind them” and followed “ almost immediately”.
So is that less than 30 secs? If so  then there is no way a 6th floor shooter using the stairs could have gone past her unseen. (however he could have used one of the elevators like Jack Dougherty allegedly did)

Could it be as long as 1 minute post shots? If so a 6th floor shooter CAN get down it the 4th floor landing and start down the 4th floor stairs to 3rd floor without being seen by Garner.

From what excerpts I’ve read from Barry Ernest book pertaining to Garners statements one particular one being she changed her statement from seeing Adam’s and Stiles (A/S) go down the stairs to HEARING THEM go down.

I have not found any clarification of what exactly Garner heard. If she’s saying she “ heard them” then to me that implies she heard their voices. If so then she could not have waited 1 minute to follow A/S because A/S have exited the stairwell to the 1st floor and it’s improbable Garner have heard their voices then.

As to what reason Lovelady and Shelley are suddenly more interested in going back in to the TSBD quickly rather than go investigate  all the commotion on the GK, it does seem kind of strange. Maybe seeing Baker running to the steps with his gun in hand was more compelling than what was happening elsewhere.

Royell's argument is really weird.
It is clearly the case that those wanting to demonstrate that Oswald was the lone assassin would leave as much time as possible for Truly and Baker to get to the second floor lunchroom. This would give Oswald plenty of time to get down from the 6th floor to the 2nd floor lunchroom.
The time trials involving Baker and Truly created a real headache for the WC Sham because they were so quick.
In fact, it was the speed of the Truly/Baker time trials that created the very first conspiracy theories - how could Truly and Baker have interacted with Oswald on the 2nd floor 90 seconds after the shooting if Oswald was supposed to be on the 6th floor?

The Tom Dillard pic. taken between 10 - 15 seconds of the shooting shows Adams, Styles and Garner had already left their parade watching positions - in accordance with Adams' assertion that she had decided to race down to the scene of the shooting before the limo had even reached the underpass.

As for Shelley and Lovelady...they lied about their movements because they were covering something up that involved their presence near the elevators within seconds of the shooting.
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   I have thought about this a lot. For starters, you gotta have Calvery in position on the TSDB Steps lickety split. She is Not on any Single Image racing down the sidewalk or in the street heading toward the TSBD front door. There is absolutely nothing supporting her being there talking with Lovelady on the TSBD front steps only :15 seconds after the kill shot. I fully appreciate the quicker you put Calvery on those steps, also serves to support my theory of those 2 Guys walking alongside the "Getaway" Car were originally inside that same car. Still, I believe the individuals filmed by Darnell & Couch been given an accelerated time stamping.

Let's say Gloria was in a position to see JFK's head explode and that made her run as fast as she could back towards the TSBD building.
It has been demonstrated time and time again that she could have covered that distance in 15 seconds.
If there is something about the calculations that is confusing you please let me know.
Look at the Weigman film - less than 10 seconds after the shooting and the area that included Gloria and her friends is totally clear.
Look at the 'woman in white' on the steps in Darnell and Couch, linking arms with the woman in the black head scarf and refute that these are the same women we see in the Z-film. This is the evidence that Gloria was the woman on the steps talking with Lovelady in Darnell/Couch.
Rather than your 'instinct' provide something stronger.
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