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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Royell Storing on December 17, 2025, 08:01:53 PM »
Quote from: Andrew Mason on December 17, 2025, 07:34:16 PM
Perhaps to someone on the street who had shouted to the President to get his attention (because he was looking away from where they were standing).   If only we had evidence of that.....

   You're correct. But whatever ALL of these people are reacting to, their reaction is Not being directed at anything above them. And certainly not 6 stories above them. Nobody is looking upward. Their eye level is ground level.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on December 17, 2025, 07:34:16 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on December 17, 2025, 05:05:24 PM
    If the "head turners" were reacting to a shot fired from 6 stories high, why are their heads Not angled Upward? They obviously are reacting to something at ground level.
Perhaps to someone on the street who had shouted to the President to get his attention (because he was looking away from where they were standing).   If only we had evidence of that.....
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
« Last post by Royell Storing on December 17, 2025, 05:20:31 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on December 16, 2025, 11:31:56 PM
Dear Sonderführer Storing,

There are policemen I mean cops standing around it in the National Geographic video.

Wouldn't it be something if the fingerprints of Gilberto Policarpo Lopez, Miguel Casas Saez and/or Igor Vaganov were found in it?

-- Tom

   Yeah, and a DPD Cop/Baker confronted Oswald inside the TSBD lunchroom and released him. Also, SF Cops confronted The Zodiac and let him go along his way too.  DPD Cops being around the "getaway" car, in front of the TSBD, is indicative of their their Not realizing the importance of that car. 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Royell Storing on December 17, 2025, 05:05:24 PM »
Quote from: Andrew Mason on December 17, 2025, 03:58:56 PM
So that I am clear, you postulate a z-124 (.5 seconds before Zapruder started filming) based entirely on:
  • your interpretation of why you think people turned their heads when they did, and
  • despite all the witness evidence to the contrary, including evidence that explains why JFK and Jackie turned their heads to the right and waved for the last time, and
  • even though all the witnesses say that those turns were before the first horrible ear-shattering noise of the first shot.
If that is your theory, it needs to be presented with a touch of humility because it is not at all obviously one that fits the evidence.  Perhaps belittling those who disagree with your "theory" may not be the best approach to persuading others that you are right.

    If the "head turners" were reacting to a shot fired from 6 stories high, why are their heads Not angled Upward? They obviously are reacting to something at ground level. 
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on December 17, 2025, 03:58:56 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on December 16, 2025, 03:08:43 AM
Dear Sonderführer Storing,

Confusing post.

Not unlike the confusing echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza when former Marine sharpshooter Lee Harvey Oswald fired a (missing-everything) shot at "Z-124" and two much easier follow-up shaots at Z-222 and Z-313.

D'oh!

-- Tom
So that I am clear, you postulate a z-124 (.5 seconds before Zapruder started filming) based entirely on:
  • your interpretation of why you think people turned their heads when they did, and
  • despite all the witness evidence to the contrary, including evidence that explains why JFK and Jackie turned their heads to the right and waved for the last time, and
  • even though all the witnesses say that those turns were before the first horrible ear-shattering noise of the first shot.
If that is your theory, it needs to be presented with a touch of humility because it is not at all obviously one that fits the evidence.  Perhaps belittling those who disagree with your "theory" may not be the best approach to persuading others that you are right.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: James DiEugenio's Factoids about Howard Brennan
« Last post by Tom Graves on December 17, 2025, 03:31:15 AM »
Quote from: Michael Capasse on December 17, 2025, 02:21:34 AM
Amos Euins did not name Lee Oswald

"There was another witness to a shooter in the TSBD6 sniper window, Amos Euins."
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: James DiEugenio's Factoids about Howard Brennan
« Last post by Michael Capasse on December 17, 2025, 02:21:34 AM »
Amos Euins did not name Lee Oswald
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Jarrett Smith on December 17, 2025, 01:28:31 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on December 16, 2025, 03:00:05 AM
  There's a huge difference between hearing something to your (R) or Behind you. That's ground level. How many eyewitnesses claimed they heard something from up high? Like 6 stories high?

Higher up from ground level would have been best. S.M. Holland clearly heard the 4-shot sequence the acoustic panel discovered.



59:08
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gus Russo's View on JFKA
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on December 17, 2025, 01:24:21 AM »
TS--

Agreed, Russo got the three KGB agents in Mexico City, including Valery Kostikov, to say, on the record and filmed, that they had met the real LHO in MC.

Why the JFKA CT keeps harping on a fake LHO in MC , or no LHO ever, is beyond me. LHO may have been impersonated while there, also.

What is interesting is that LHO spent four or five more days in Mexico and few seem to now what he did.

"Ambassador Thomas C. Mann was the U.S. Ambassador to Mexico who, after the JFK assassination, suspected Lee Harvey Oswald's plot involved Cuban or Soviet handlers in Mexico City, especially given Oswald's recent visits to their embassies seeking visas. Mann pushed for investigations into potential Cuban involvement but was reportedly ordered by Secretary of State Dean Rusk to cease, facing indifference in Washington, despite his strong "gut feeling" about a larger conspiracy."

My take: If LHO had links domestic or foreign...no one (in authority) really wanted to know.

The CIA was riddled with KGB assets.

G2 had heavily penetrated the Cuban exile community.


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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: James DiEugenio's Factoids about Howard Brennan
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on December 17, 2025, 01:12:00 AM »
FL-

There was another witness to a shooter in the TSBD6 sniper window, Amos Euins.

There were three loud shots heard deep within the TSBD, on 11/22.

LHO was invisible during the JFKA, unless we accept Brennan's testimony. No one inside the TSBD, or co-workers anywhere, saw LHO when shots rang out.

Brennan is a little squishy, even with your clarifications.

That said, the best suspect as the TSBD6 shooter remains LHO.

Still, Gov. JBC appears shot at ~Z-295 and JFJ at Z-313.

I suspect a second shooter, from behind.

Could be Alpha 66, G2, or KGB assets.
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