JFK Assassination Forum

TG-

We have belabored this point a few times.

I match Gov. JBC's testimony to the Z-film.

But even without JBC's testimony (and that of his wife), to my layman's eye, JBC is shot at ~z-295 and is indeed a bit pushed forward by the blow---which took out four inches of rub, and thus was meeting resistance as it passed through his body. (It is true, sometimes bullets will pass through a body, while the body remains relatively still, if only soft flesh or organs are struck).

JBC appears entirely uninjured right up ~Z-295.

I could on---JBC's surgeon said his opinion was that a separate bullet had struck JBC from the one that passed through JFK. Dr. Shaw had worked on 700 wartime gunshot victims.

Caveat emptor, and draw you own conclusions.

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TG-

We have belabored this point a few times.

I match Gov. JBC's testimony to the Z-film.

But even without JBC's testimony (and that of his wife), to my layman's eye, JBC is shot at ~z-295 and is indeed a bit pushed forward by the blow---which took out four inches of rub, and thus was meeting resistance as it passed through his body. (It is true, sometimes bullets will pass through a body, while the body remains relatively still, if only soft flesh or organs are struck).

JBC appears entirely uninjured right up ~Z-295.

I could on---JBC's surgeon said his opinion was that a separate bullet had struck JBC from the one that passed through JFK. Dr. Shaw had worked on 700 wartime gunshot victims.

Caveat emptor, and draw you own conclusions.

I already answered these questions in Reply #107, a few replies above: "Looks to me like he's on a dirty of the lawn next to the edge of the sidewalk."

I also helpfully noted that your placement of TUM on the sidewalk only hurts your contentions:

"However, even if we were to assume for the sake of argument that TUM is indeed on the sidewalk, it's still fatal to your argument. Witt testified that he was on the grass when he saw the motorcade start down Elm. He said he started walking towards the street while trying to open the umbrella. He had trouble opening the umbrella but "continued to move forward and finally got this umbrella up in the air" with the sequence ending "I think by the time I got the thing up in the air I was over and possibly standing on the retaining wall." There is a low retaining wall at the edge of the Elm St sidewalk, so his testimony is perfectly consistent with your interpretation of the Bronson film"

It appears to me at the time this photo was taken, TUM was standing on the far edge of the sidewalk. TUM's leg shadow is being cast on the lawns concrete edge.



This photo taken relatively not long after, shows a cameraman on the sidewalk and by the angle of the shadow we can see that TUM was only inches away from the concrete edge.



BTW, if TUM was part of the conspiracy and was either waving his umbrella or firing a poison dart, there is no way he would hang around and let himself be photographed.

JohnM

    Are you claiming that Witt was standing on: (1) the grass, or, (2) the retaining wall? Both the grass and the retaining wall are incorrect.  He stood on the very wide sidewalk.

I already answered these questions in Reply #107, a few replies above: "Looks to me like he's on a dirty of the lawn next to the edge of the sidewalk."

I also helpfully noted that your placement of TUM on the sidewalk only hurts your contentions:

"However, even if we were to assume for the sake of argument that TUM is indeed on the sidewalk, it's still fatal to your argument. Witt testified that he was on the grass when he saw the motorcade start down Elm. He said he started walking towards the street while trying to open the umbrella. He had trouble opening the umbrella but "continued to move forward and finally got this umbrella up in the air" with the sequence ending "I think by the time I got the thing up in the air I was over and possibly standing on the retaining wall." There is a low retaining wall at the edge of the Elm St sidewalk, so his testimony is perfectly consistent with your interpretation of the Bronson film"

Well, I will say what I always say, and that is my layman's view of the Z-film shows Gov. Connally shot ~Z-295, and JFK at Z-313. About one second apart.

The SBT requires that JBC, after being shot through the chest, having his right wrist fractured, and a slug burrow into his left leg...only then did JBC a 180-degree turn in his seat to look for JFK. 

But, in real life, JBC described turning around to look for JFK after hearing the first shot. And then getting struck by a shot he did not hear as he began to face forward again. That is accurate, IMHO, fro my review of the Z-film.

Then there is this:

Connally: I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)

That happens about ~Z-295. JBC describes himself as immediately incapacitated by the shot that struck him. No 180-degree turn.

From this, I deduce there was a second gunsel behind the JFK limo. The GK smoke-and-bang show may have been another gunsel, or a diversion. Or kids playing with firecrackers.

LHO remains the most likely suspect for the TSBD6 sniper. Indeed, LHO is the only JFKA suspect known beyond reasonable doubt to have been in Dealey Plaza 11.22. This makes unraveling the JFKA almost impossible.

I do not know who were LHO's confederates or handlers on 11.22. Might have been Alpha 66'ers, or G2, or G2 plants in Alpha 66, double agents.

Likely the plot in its entirety was three people, LHO the other gunsel and the GK player.

Such a small plot was hard to detect, even after the event. LHO was soon dead. Maybe even a patsy of sorts.

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Of course, we all know Mossad perped the JFKA. Just ask Jeff Morley. Mossad was tight with James Jesus Angleton...so you know...that's a fact pattern.