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Hahahaha! Gotcha, Frazier your star witness with the photographic memory had never seen CE163 ever before and don't forget that Frazier sat right next to Oswald for about half an hour on the way to work! And you expect Frazier to remember Oswald in the five or so minutes they walked from the car to the loading dock, where Oswald ended up about 50 feet away??



Mr. BALL - I have here Commission's 163, a gray blue jacket. Do you recognize this jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't.
Mr. BALL - Did you ever see Lee Oswald wear this jacket?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; I don't believe I have.

 

JohnM

How delusional are you? I know what Frazier said in his testimony.

So, how did CE 163 end up being found at the Domino room of the TSBD?

And have you figured out already how Oswald's grey jacket CE 162 could have ended up at the rooming house at Friday 1 PM, if Oswald had worn it to the TSBD in the morning and left the TSBD without a jacket.?

I've always known you were not the sharpest knife in the draw, but this beats it all.

No evidence? Seriously? How do you suppose the bag contained Oswald's prints and fibers matching the blanket Oswald used to store his rifle in the Paine garage. Maybe it was by PFM (Pure Freaking Magic)

Absolute proof is not available nor does it need to be in order to be probative. Oswald carrying the rifle into the TSBD in the bag Frazier and Randle saw him with is simply far and away the most likely explanation and fits perfectly with all the other available evidence pointing to Oswald as the assassin. The rifle found on the 6th floor was probably his. It was matched to the shells in the sniper's nest and the only two recovered bullets from the shooting to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world. Oswald's palm and fingerprints were found on the boxes at the window where a shooter was seen. To believe Oswald brought his rifle into work that morning in the brown paper bag Frazier saw him with, I only have to believe that both Frazier and Randle misjudged the length of the bag, which is not a stretch at all. It's the kind of mistake witnesses routinely make. People simply aren't that observant about details and our brains are not equipped with DVRs.
One fallible witness is not much corroboration for another fallible witness.

No evidence? Seriously? How do you suppose the bag contained Oswald's prints and fibers matching the blanket Oswald used to store his rifle in the Paine garage. Maybe it was by PFM (Pure Freaking Magic)

This has already been explained to you. Oswald's print on a bag made in the TSBD, found in the TSBD, on the floor where Oswald worked isn't remarkable at all. There are all sorts of ways his print could have gotten on that bag.

No matter how often you keep making this bogus claim, there are no fibers found in the bag that matched anything. At best the fibers are similar. And those fibers could easily have gotten on and in the bag as evidence photos show the bag and the blanket lying direct next to eachother at the DPD and at the FBI Lab. Only the possibility of cross contamination makes all this fiber nonsense obsolete and invalid.

As for Oswald using the blanket to store "his rifle" in Ruth Paine's garage, there isn't a shred off evidence for that at all. All we really know is that Marina said she looked in the blanket about a week after coming back from New Orleans and saw the wooden stock of a rifle. That was in late September 1963. Since then nobody has seen any rifle in Ruth Paine's garage.

You talk about it being magic, but in fact it is pure imagination on your part.

So, here's a question for you. Let's see if you can imagine an answer. When Oswald allegedly took a rifle to New Orleans by public transport nobody saw the damned thing. Considering he had allegedly just tried to kill General Walker with that rifle, taking it with him would have been a massive risk.

Now, we are to believe that when Ruth Paine, who wanted nothing to do with weapons, picked up Marina, in New Orleans, Oswald just wrapped a rifle in a blanket and put it in the back of Ruth's car, giving up total control over the weapon and risking that Ruth Paine would find the rifle. But that's not all, because enter Michael Paine, who said he took the blanket out of the car without noticing there was a rifle in it. He also said he had moved the package several times and never noticed anything wrong. He just thought that it was camping equipment. Yeah right! Years later Paine confirmed that he had seen Oswald with a rifle at Neely Street. So, he claims to have known that Oswald had a rifle yet he couldn't figure out that it might not be camping equipment in the blanket after all.

Absolute proof is not available nor does it need to be in order to be probative. Oswald carrying the rifle into the TSBD in the bag Frazier and Randle saw him with is simply far and away the most likely explanation and fits perfectly with all the other available evidence pointing to Oswald as the assassin. The rifle found on the 6th floor was probably his. It was matched to the shells in the sniper's nest and the only two recovered bullets from the shooting to the exclusion of all other weapons in the world. Oswald's palm and fingerprints were found on the boxes at the window where a shooter was seen. To believe Oswald brought his rifle into work that morning in the brown paper bag Frazier saw him with, I only have to believe that both Frazier and Randle misjudged the length of the bag, which is not a stretch at all. It's the kind of mistake witnesses routinely make. People simply aren't that observant about details and our brains are not equipped with DVRs.
One fallible witness is not much corroboration for another fallible witness.

Oh please... enough with the crappy story. There is no evidence that Oswald carried a rifle into the TSBD, regardless of what you think is the most likely explanation.

The rifle found on the 6th floor was probably his.

Hilarious! Now you don't even know for sure it it was Oswald's rifle. HAHAHAHAHAHA

To believe Oswald brought his rifle into work that morning in the brown paper bag Frazier saw him with, I only have to believe that both Frazier and Randle misjudged the length of the bag, which is not a stretch at all.

You can believe all you want, but when you have two witnesses who corroborate eachother, not on size estimates, but on the maximum size that package could be for it to be carried in the way they had seen it being carried, you need for more that assumption and what you believe.

And not the only thing you have to believe.

You need to believe there was a rifle stored in Ruth Paine's garage om 11/22/63
You need to believe that Oswald carried that rifle in a - according to Frazier - flimsy supermarkt bag that was too small to fit the broken down rifle
You need to believe that Frazier and Randle were wrong about the way they saw Oswald carry the parcel he had with him.

And all this believing doesn't give you an iota of evidence or proof. If you want to believe something, go to church!

One fallible witness is not much corroboration for another fallible witness.

They are only fallible in your biased mind, because you need them to be!

I guess all of us can just stay home during the 2028 election since Putin is going to pick our next President for us.

He doesn't need to, Corbett, because since the 1959 Master Plan has worked to perfection, irreparable damage has already been done to our country by The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx"), the PayPal Mafia, Christian Nationalists, The Traitorous Orange Bird's (rhymes with "Xxxx's") own corrupt family, and oodles and gobs of zombified MAGATs like you.

Oh boy. Those elastic sections are in just about every jacket of that type. I have two windbreaker type jackets that have exactly the same elastic sections at the same place. No big deal. But what the photos do show (and Johnny simply ignores) is that the sleeves of the white jacket are far larger that the one's on Oswald's grey jacket. So much for similarity! You just see what you want to see.

But what the photos do show (and Johnny simply ignores) is that the sleeves of the white jacket are far larger that the one's on Oswald's grey jacket.

Sure Oswald was a Gorilla, Hilarious!

I have two windbreaker type jackets that have exactly the same elastic sections at the same place. No big deal.

Wow, in 2026, you claim to own two of that type of jacket, please take a photo of the two jackets and show us the two elastic gathered sections on the back and I hope they're a light grey/beige shade! Then post them in this thread. Waiting....Zzzzzz...

JohnM

For what it's worth, there certainly is an FBI report which states that Linnie Mae Randle originally stated (on the afternoon of the assassination) that the bag she saw Oswald carry that morning was 36 inches long.

It isn't worth much.

Indeed there is. Bookhout wrote the FD 302 for internal use. Randle never saw it and it can hardly be described as evidence.
But even if it could be considered to be evidence, it contradicts all other statements Randle ever made and it's only mentioning an estimation.

Isn't the LN clan allergic to estimates?

There is no way a 36 inch bag would fit between Oswald armpit and the cup of his hand, and it would have been impossible to be carried they way Randle described and not hit the ground.

You're flogging a dead horse.