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Perfectly expressed, Lance. Maybe we can pass the hat around and get Michael T. Griffith a t-shirt that says "All the Evidence Is Fake!"

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I must say, this thread has completely lost me. Isn't the dishing of the primer, as observed by Chapman and as seen in the HSCA composite, the more significant issue? It would be conclusive evidence that CE 543 was a dry-firing shell, yes? The dent could be why CE 543 became a dry-firing shell - i.e., it was no longer suitable for reloading. The dent could have happened during practice with the M-C or CE 543 could have simply been picked up someplace by Oswald. Yes, the dent perhaps could have happened when CE 543 was fired on 11-22 - but not if the primer shows evidence of more than one firing pin impact. What am I missing?
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So why did you ignore Mark Ulrik's polite requests to share Mantik's supposed research that you referenced ... hmmmm?

Umm, just a few days ago I posted some of Dr. Mantik's recent comments about how DNA evidence refutes 9/11 Truther claims. Sheesh. . . .

Good Lord, man! You posted a snippet from a scientific-style article, with endnote numbers, supposedly posted in a private email chain. When I politely inquired about the availability of the article and its cited sources, you ignored me - but maybe that was just you being your arrogant self.
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What a ridiculous comment. JBC had no way of knowing of knowing whether the first shot hit JFK. That's something he was led to believe and why he rejected the SBT. He knew he had been hit by the SECOND shot. That fact alone eliminates your two shot scenario.
It's not in that cherry picked quote. You completely ignore his testimony that the first shot did not strike him. Whether the first shot struck JFK or not, that makes your two shot scenario impossible. The only way you can make a two shot scenario work is if you believe JBC just imagined hearing the first shot.
The only thing that is undeniable is that you lie shamelessly. A lot. You lie when you claim there were no 3 shot witnesses. Jarman, Norman, ad Willaims who were one floor below Oswald testified UNDER OATH, that they heard three shots. Glen Bennett's report said the following:

"At this point I heard what sounded like a firecracker. I immediately looked from the right/crowd/physical area/and looked towards the President who was seated in the right rear seat of his limousine open convertible. At the moment I looked at the back of the President I heard another fire-cracker noise and saw the shot hit the President about four inches down from the right shoulder. A second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the President's head."

That's one shot that he heard, and TWO MORE that he SAW hit JFK. That's three shots, with the first being a missed shot.

You are nothing but a lying troll. I just posted his report which described three shots.
Keep lying about the evidence. It's all you know how to do.

If only you had evidence of your claim.

I think the problem is obvious. You're the “no child left behind” everyone is worried about. How can you make these JBC and Bennett claims knowing what they stated? Incredible.

Here is the Bennett statement you should have posted.

Glenn Bennett: We made a left hand turn and then a quick right. The President's auto moved down a slight grade and the crowd was very sparse. At this point I heard a noise that immediately reminded me of a firecracker. I immediately, upon hearing the supposed firecracker, looked at the boss's car. At this exact time I saw a shot that hit the boss about 4 inches down from the right shoulder. A second shoot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the boss's head.

When did JBC start supporting the SBT? In your fantasy tale, you have him supporting it. He is the witness you claim supports the early missed shot.



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Jack! Jack! Jack! this is what I wrote:

“Based on what I can see in this video, I think that there is reason to believe that the slight indentations on the other empty cartridges besides CE 543 might have also been caused by an impact with the rear bridge.”

That is simply an off the top of my head idea; it is a far cry from “claiming” it.

How about you show us the 30 different marks that you claim are all in the same exact place?

No, sounded more likes a proclamation. Not just one dent but two dents from the same strike on the rear bridge. Unbelievable is what it is.

It’s just the opposite Jack, the higher quality photo from a side angle shows us that there is absolutely no flare out on the mouth of CE 543. And furthermore, when we now compare the two top view photos of CE 543 and the HSCA test cartridge #2, we can now see how very similar they actually are. I am now of the strong opinion that the rear bridge caused both dents.

Up your game a little bit and reread Six Seconds in Dallas.
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https://www.yahoo.com/news/us/articles/skydivers-plane-crashed-didnt-time-170100089.html?fr=yhssrp_catchall

Who knew the most dangerous part of skydiving isn't jumping out of the plane. It's going up in the plane.

I wouldn't jump out of a perfectly good airplane for all of Elon Musk's money.

It would have to be going down in flames and even then I'd probably need a push.

The fall isn't what kills you. It's that sudden stop.
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Jack! Jack! Jack! this is what I wrote:

“Based on what I can see in this video, I think that there is reason to believe that the slight indentations on the other empty cartridges besides CE 543 might have also been caused by an impact with the rear bridge.”

That is simply an off the top of my head idea; it is a far cry from “claiming” it.

How about you show us the 30 different marks that you claim are all in the same exact place?

Jack can't make an honest argument. His SOP is to lie about what people have said to make his point. IOW, he's an internet troll.
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It is really rather sleazy for you to question Dr. Mantik's integrity.

I am sleazy to the core, but you'll have to show me and the audience where I questioned Mantik's integrity. I know nothing about him except that shoplifting incident at Walmart and the animal abuse allegations.  :D :D :D

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What does any of this have to do with the subject of the thread: the fact that the low fragment trail described in the autopsy report does not appear on the extant autopsy skull x-rays?

It has nothing to do with it. Enquiring minds simply wonder why you ignored Mark's request if Mantik is now neck-deep in 9/11 studies.

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I think you're being dishonest. I have never questioned Pat Speer's integrity or sincerity, and I have praised and cited some of his research on other issues.

Ah, the references to "college dropout Pat Speer" and his "blundering, amateurish and erroneous" attacks on Mantik were mere slips of the keyboard. Well, it happens.

Do you actually have a little home shrine to Mantik, replete with votive candles and whatnot? The cast of characters with whom Mantik has been associated does not exactly inspire confidence. Pat Speer's massive critique is still up, includes pretty recent references, and seems devastating to me ("Mantik's numerous and repeated mistakes form a pattern--a pattern in which he misrepresents evidence to support a dubious theory and then misrepresents more evidence to defend his theory against heretics like myself"). But others can judge for themselves: https://www.patspeer.com/chapter-19d-stuck-in-the-middle-with-you

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I think it is rather dishonest for you to pretend that you agree with anything approaching a substantive portion of Pat Speer's research.

I am relentlessly dishonest in addition to being sleazy, but I pretend nothing. I respect all of Pat's efforts. I haven't done a quantitative analysis as to the percentage I agree with, but it's all worth a look.

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Now, if you are truly "inclined" to agree with Speer's placement of the rear head entry wound, then you need to explain how in the world the bullet that made that wound could have come from the sixth-floor window. The only theory that Larry Sturdivan has offered to explain this problem is that after the bullet entered the skull it magically veered sharply upward and to the right, yet not a single bullet in the WC's wound ballistics tests performed such an impossible feat. That's just as bad as the WC experts' assumption that JFK's head was tilted nearly 60 degrees forward when the bullet struck.

I mean, it would be nice if you would finally take a stab at trying to explain the vanishing fragment trail, especially since you say you lean toward the EOP site.

I don't "need" to explain anything. When the autopsy doctors, WC and HSCA couldn't agree within 4" about the wound entry, and the Harper fragment has been fitted just about everywhere but JFK's crotch, and characters like Mantik see things that no one else sees, I merely watch in wonderment as the debate unfolds. I was quite impressed by Sturdivan's book, but your use of terms such as "magically" and "impossible" tells us you are simply a crank.
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It would make perfect sense for Oswald's handlers to have involved him in a staged shooting of Walker so that this could later be used to help implicate him in JFK's death.

Oh, goody. I haven't heard about Oswald's handlers in years. They are an invention by some CTs to explain why Oswald did so many things that made him look guilty. His handlers made him do it.
It reminds me of Flip Wilson's Geraldine character. "The devil made me do it.".
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I don't understand the logic that we should expect that Oswald would have been immediately arrested for trying to shoot Walker if he were involved in a staged Walker shooting. This would have raised the obvious question: Why would someone who wanted to kill the rabidly anti-Kennedy Walker then turn around and kill Kennedy when Kennedy had publicly disgraced Walker and had relieved Walker of command? I just don't understand that logic.

You make the mistake of assuming Oswald was on one side or the other. The fact is he was a Marxist who was far to the left of both men. JFK was not a leftist like his brother Teddy became. He was the most conservative of all the candidates running for the Democrats running for POTUS in 1960. Both Eleanor Roosevelt and Harry Truman were opposed to him being the nominee. He was staunchly anti-Communist and a friend and ally of Nixon in their early days in Congress. He donated $1000 to Nixon's Senate campaign against leftist Helen Douglas. The Kennedys were close allies of Joe McCarthy who dated one of the Kennedy sisters and was godfather to RFK's first born.
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Plus, if Oswald had been arrested for trying to shoot Walker, he may have ended up in jail and would have been unavailable to supposedly shoot JFK.

How would anyone know in March of 1963 that Oswald would be handed a golden opportunity to kill JFK the following November?
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I see some folks have howled at my argument that the gunman purposely missed Walker. The same guy who supposedly went 2/2 in 5.6 seconds from 60 feet up should have had no problem whatsoever missing the window pane/frame and at least hitting Walker somewhere on his torso when firing from no more than 147 feet and having plenty of time to carefully take aim.

I should copy this down so I wouldn't have to type it up again. Oswald fired at Walker from very close range. The fixed iron sights were zeroed for 200 meters and were not adjustable. The scope was adjustable but I doubt it could have been adjusted down to the range Oswald fired at. No matter which sights Oswald chose, it would have aimed high. Instead of firing through the open window, the shot hit the very bottom of the sash and barely missed Walker.
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