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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Lee Harvey Oswald's and the KGB's mind-blowing synchronicity (pardon the pun)
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 09:46:07 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 09:39:42 AM
What was the mechanism for Solie to conspiratorially and covertly communicate with LHO, while he was stateside?

Dear "BC,"

By meeting with him outside the front gate of the Lighter-Than-Air base?

Via a Russian ballet company that was touring the West coast?

Beats the heck outta me.

Why don't you look into it and let us know what you find out?

-- "TG"
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Lee Harvey Oswald's and the KGB's mind-blowing synchronicity (pardon the pun)
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 09:39:42 AM »
TG-

John Newman noted the great difficulties a mole like Bruce Solie had in actually communicating with co-conspirators in the US, or with the KGB.

Can't talk on the phone, telegram, or use the mail, and meeting in person could get observed by counter-intel. Running classified ads in newspapers was one way to signal co-conspirators, but even that risked detection, and hardly allowed transmission of anything but brief, pre-arranged coded info.

Newman even says communication snags were one reason for Solie's travel schedule---to meet, or even pass messages covertly, to co-conspirators.

What was the mechanism for Solie to conspiratorially and covertly communicate with LHO, while he was stateside?

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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Zapruder film "fakery" and the ED Forum Kooks!
« Last post by John Mytton on Yesterday at 06:10:38 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on May 07, 2026, 04:40:38 PM
  Hey John - Have you viewed the higher def Current Z Film(s) posted on You Tube? I have 1 that I prefer, and it clearly shows JFK being HIT with such force that he is PROPELLED BACKWARD into the backrest. JFK is hit with such force the he literally bounces off of the backrest and then falls to the (L) like a tree that has just been cut down.
                  We can argue the bona fides of the Current Z Film, but even hi def copies of that clearly display the impact of a Front (R) shot. The lower def Z Film copies are like watching anything on an old SD Broadcast/TV. Just think back to the stark difference between broadcast SD vs HD. This is why Bart Kamp continues gaining attention. He is posting better definition images. The Current Z Film images being posted on this Forum are outdated. Even the Z Film images that you are posting has all kinds of crappola consistently flying through it. That's a dead giveaway that this "material" dates way back.
                     

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  Hey John - Have you viewed the higher def Current Z Film(s) posted on You Tube? I have 1 that I prefer, and it clearly shows JFK being HIT with such force that he is PROPELLED BACKWARD into the backrest. JFK is hit with such force the he literally bounces off of the backrest and then falls to the (L) like a tree that has just been cut down.

JohnC is right, you've been watching too much Dirty Harry, real life isn't a Hollywood movie.

All these Soldiers were struck in the head with FMJ bullets and not one soldier is forcefully propelled forward and in fact not even one falls forward, they simply crumple straight down and fall back towards the shooters.



Mythbusters had multiple men firing into a pig carcass and it barely moved.



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The Current Z Film images being posted on this Forum are outdated. Even the Z Film images that you are posting has all kinds of crappola consistently flying through it. That's a dead giveaway that this "material" dates way back.

So you think the closest images that we have to what's on the actual Zapruder Film is outdated but your digitally enhanced Zapruder Frames which obscures detail and is not much better than being covered with Vaseline is the Gold standard, Interesting!

JohnM
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Lee Harvey Oswald's and the KGB's mind-blowing synchronicity (pardon the pun)
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 05:53:53 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 05:50:04 AM
TG--

Was State Department'er in Moscow Richard Snyder a semi-witting participant in the KGB-Solie-LHO conspiracy to get LHO into the Russia?

Did Snyder, given his role in the aforesaid conspiracy, decide to never tell the truth about any hints or suggestions he received from Solie? Mum is the word?

Was Snyder himself yet another KGB asset? After all, he was stationed in Moscow, and they surely tried to flip him.

Did Snyder think Oswald had been sent to him (and the hidden KGB microphones in his office) either by the KGB-controlled CIA or the non-KGB-controlled CIA?

Probably not.

Afterall, he did say Oswald came across as a neophyte Marxist and that his spiel sounded coached and rehearsed, so if anything, he probably thought he'd been sent by the KGB proper.

Even if Solie gave him "heads up" that "CIA Agent" Oswald would be coming, his being mum about it after the assassination may have been due to his realizing, correctly, that there was an ongoing counterintelligence of some sort.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Lee Harvey Oswald's and the KGB's mind-blowing synchronicity (pardon the pun)
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 05:50:04 AM »
TG--

Was State Department'er in Moscow Richard Snyder a semi-witting participant in the KGB-Solie-LHO conspiracy to get LHO into the Russia?

Did Snyder, given his role in the aforesaid conspiracy, decide to never tell the truth about any hints or suggestions he received from Solie? Mum is the word?

Was Snyder himself yet another KGB asset? After all, he was stationed in Moscow, and they surely tried to flip him.






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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 04:11:31 AM »
Quote from: Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 03:12:32 AM
I see in this Z260-Z290 range  that JC’s right shoulder appears to be rotating in the opposite direction from what would normally be expected from an impact of a 2000ft/ sec bullet hitting (presumably) the right of his upper back and exiting the right side of chest . Hitting the mass to the right of center of mass will usually impart angular momentum causing that mass to spin about the vertical axis ( JCs vertical spine) in the direction the bullet is traveling.
You are seeing correctly!  That sudden rotation to the left is what one would expect from the deflection of the bullet to the right.  And you can see that the body suddenly rotates clockwise (from above) beginning at z272.  It is particularly evident from the change in sunlight reflection on the head and chest.  Here is a comparison of JBC at z268 and at z272, about a quarter of a second later:



It is apparent from the sunlit areas of the head and collar that the head and collar turn clockwise (looking down). There is also a change in position of the hat in the wrist

And it is not as if JBC is turning his body farther around before this.  Here is JBC from z258 to z269 (he is blocked at z270 and partially at z271):


The impact on the fifth rib in the back of the armpit is where the rib is very strong.  The bullet strikes at an angle less than 90 degrees to the rib and it initially follows along the rib.  So the bullet deflects right and the body is pushed in the opposite direction (an example of Newton’s third law) .

That is one of the problems with a hit at z222. The medical evidence is that the bullet pushed the rib in toward the pulmonary wall - so much so that the rib fractured near the spine. That means the body would have been pushed to the left. We don’t see any push to the left.

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Note: As JC begins to lean back into Mrs Cs Lap, I think Andrew might concede that the expression on JCs face is “painful “ especially if I suggest that he has just felt the “ impact of the Z270 bullet 🙂
Not a good idea to interpret facial expressions based on what one may think he may be feeling without regard to the evidence. One has to examine the evidence.  JBC said he felt no pain. But he said he immediately realized he had been shot, fatally he thought, and just lay back. He felt no pain until he got up to get out of the car at Parkland.  That’s the evidence.  So, according the evidence that appears to be what he is experiencing: sadness and fear perhaps but not pain.


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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Zapruder film "fakery" and the ED Forum Kooks!
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 03:29:53 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Yesterday at 01:30:04 AM
   And you also forgot the HSCA "4th shot". This is what happens when you present only hand picked portions of a story. That story is quickly dismantled piece-by-piece.

And Amos Euins said he heard 4 shots. He is a major close up witness who not only heard the shots but was looking AT the shooter AS the shooter fired the rifle.

And  Amos said the shooter was sticking the rifle OUT the window and yet Amos saw no scope on the rifle.

But Arnold Rowland from a block away , DID see a scope on the rifle in the hands of some person at the SW 6th floor at 12:15.

Eagle Eye Rowland  however completely missed seeing the SE window shooter sticking a rifle out the window while Amos was watching the shooter at 12:30.

So these witness DRIVE me crazy lolz
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Gov. John Connally Grips His White Stetson Hat at Z-272
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 03:12:32 AM »
Quote from: Andrew Mason on May 07, 2026, 06:45:25 PM
Do you not see movement of JBC here:


The momentum transfer is in the direction the car is moving.

I see in this Z260-Z290 range  that JC’s right shoulder appears to be rotating in the opposite direction from what would normally be expected from an impact of a 2000ft/ sec bullet hitting (presumably) the right of his upper back and exiting the right side of chest . Hitting the mass to the right of center of mass will usually impart angular momentum causing that mass to spin about the vertical axis ( JCs vertical spine) in the direction the bullet is traveling.

But I am not a physics expert , nor do I know for  certain the angle of this Z270 bullet hitting JC. If the bullet deflected rightward  going out of his chest, that might induce  some % of counterspin which could cancel out the initial entry spin.

I think it’s going to require an experiment with some replica human bodies that include head  arms and legs ( and a hat in the right hand of the JC model) to prove this Z190 and Z270 shot theory.

Generally I think probably most of the LNs prefer Z224 as a shot because of the forward movement of JC and his right shoulder rotating counter clockwise at Z225-Z230 to be indicative of transfer of momentum caused by bullet impact.

Note: As JC begins to lean back into Mrs Cs Lap, I think Andrew might concede that the expression on JCs face is “painful “ especially if I suggest that he has just felt the “ impact of the Z270 bullet 🙂
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Lee Harvey Oswald's and the KGB's mind-blowing synchronicity (pardon the pun)
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 03:09:24 AM »
Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 02:38:12 AM
TG-

In your conspiracy theory, what mechanisms or carrots did Bruce Solie use to induce Lee Harvey Oswald to suddenly quit the Marines, not that long before he would have received a discharge anyway, and try to enter Russia?

[The opportunity to live out his “I Led Three or Four Lives” fantasy?]

Who is a likely “cut-out” between Solie and LHO? How did LHO and Solie communicate?

[How much communication do you think was necessary?]

In your theorizing, did Solie coordinate with the KGB on allowing LHO into Russia?

[Letting it know he was coming is “coordinating”?]

If so, was the whole phony LHO wrist-slitting in the hot bath-tub drama a staged event, to make it appear to other CIA’ers that LHO was a “earnest” defector and a nut, and not a de facto KGB asset?

[One wrist or two? — the Botkin Hospital records and his “Historic Diary” contradict each other on this issue]

In other words, Solie, LHO and the KGB scrumptiously conspired to trick Angleton and others?

[Maybe, maybe not]

When LHO went to the Mexico City Russian Embassy [Consulate] in Sept. 1963, did LHO know he was meeting KGB officers? Had Solie advised him on that matter?

[What makes you think real-deal Oswald went to the Soviet Consulate?]

What is your theory on that?

[Should I have one?]

Dear "BC,"

I'm sorry, but I don't have a theory on everything.

Should I?

Neither do I know what Lee "I Led Four Lives" Oswald had for breakfast on 16 October 1959 -- the day he arrived in Moscow and the day that GRU Lt. Col. Pyotr Popov -- whose "U-2 Mole" Oswald was ostensibly trying to root out -- just happened to be publicly arrested after having been secretly arrested eleven months earlier and "played back" against the CIA in such a way that made it seem he'd been uncovered, not due to a mole in the CIA, but due to sloppy tradecraft by the Agency (specifically, George Winters) and superior KGB surveillance.

While I'm trying to figure out the answers to your questions, please look into Bruce Leonard Solie, Leonard V. McCoy, and Russia-born George Kisevalter (the guy who claimed in April 1958 that Popov told him he'd heard a drunken GRU colonel brag at a New Year's Eve party that the Kremlin had all of the top-secret specifications of the U-2 spy plane), won't you?

And also try to figure out why someone in the Office of Security's mole-hunting Security Research Staff (where Solie was Deputy Chief) arranged with the Records Integration Division and the Office of Mail Logistics to have all of the incoming non-CIA cables on Oswald's upcoming "defection" sent to it instead of where they would normally go -- The Soviet Russia Division.

Thanks!

-- "TG"

PS “Conspiracy theory”?

Are you suggesting that the world-class humanitarian organization formerly known as the KGB does conspiracies?

Perish the thought!


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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Lee Harvey Oswald's and the KGB's mind-blowing synchronicity (pardon the pun)
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 02:38:12 AM »
TG-

In your conspiracy theory, what mechanisms or carrots did Bruce Solie use to induce LHO to suddenly quit the Marines, not that long before he would have received a discharge anyway, and try to enter Russia?

Who is a likely "cut-out" between Solie and LHO? How did LHO and Solie communicate?

In your theorizing, did Solie coordinate with the KGB on allowing LHO into Russia?

If so, was the whole phony LHO wrist-slitting in the hotye bath-tub drama a staged event, to make it appear to other CIA'ers that LHO was a "earnest" defector and a nut, and not a de facto KGB asset?

In other words, Solie, LHO and the KGB surreptiuosly conspired to trick Angleton and others?

When LHO went to MC Russia embassy in Sept. 1963, did LHO know we was meeting KGB'ers? Had Solie advised him on that matter?

What is your theory on that?


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