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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 03:45:58 AM »
at what point do you think Secret Service Agent Glen Bennett started leaning far to his right (in order to see around Ken O'Donnell) to see if JFK was okay?

Bennett was already sitting higher than Ken O'Donnell and would have had no difficulty seeing JFK over top of O'Donnell.  Bennett is in the right rear seat in the QM as seen in the Betzner photo at z186:

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 03:32:42 AM »
The CIA historian published a CIA-vetted report, on CIA letterhead, that Clay Shaw was a "highly paid contract source" for the CIA in the 1950s.

IIRC, that wasn't the only mistake your boy, J. Kenneth McDonnald, made in that rushed-and-cobbled-together report.

Fred Litwin has written:

As for the document's reliability, researcher Paul Hoch has found another example of where it was wrong. It refers to "records relating to Gilberto Alvarado, who maintained that he witnessed Cubans passing Oswald cash at a party on the night before the assassination." In fact, this description is obviously a confused mashup of two allegations that were separately made: one by Gilberto Alvarado in 1963 (which he ultimately retracted), and another, made later, by Elena Garro de Paz. A different page in the 1992 document correctly describes Alvarado as "the Nicaraguan who claimed he saw Lee Harvey Oswald receive cash in meetings inside Mexico City Cuban embassy." Elena Garro de Paz claimed to have seen Oswald and two companions at a "twist party" in Mexico City. The date given for this twist party (November 21) matches neither allegation and is obviously an error, thus suggesting that the 1992 document is not a completely reliable accounting of what is in the CIA's own archive. On the night before the assassination, Oswald was in Dallas with Marina at Ruth Paine's house (thus he could not have received cash in Alvarado's presence or have been at a party in Mexico City). Oswald was only in Mexico City from September 26 to October 3. If he attended a party - which is a big if - it could only have happened during this time period.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 03:27:14 AM »
The CIA historian published a CIA-vetted report, on CIA letterhead, that Clay Shaw was a "highly paid contract source" for the CIA in the 1950s.

You say Shaw was only a volunteer. 

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 03:13:05 AM »
I came across an FBI report of an interview of JBC made by SA H.T. Burk at St. David's hospital on December 11, 1963. While it is generally consistent with JBC's WC testimony it provides additional details and presents a slightly different light on what Connally did and observed after the first shot and before he felt the impact of the bullet that hit him in the torso. It is marked as CR-188 in file SA 89-67 and is part of the collection titled: " Warren Commission Records Related to Key Persons".  It is also hand marked "JBC-1" at the top. It is available on the Mary Ferrell site at this URL. Here is the important part:



He says he turned to his right "to look back" and "sensed more than I saw, that President Kennedy had been hit."  He says that he then turned back to the left "a little" before being hit himself.

One interesting comment is on page 3:



It is clear from this that JBC turned around enough to see three buildings, which he identified as the TSBD, a middle one and the County Records building.   Unless he had eyes in the back of his head, I don't see how he could be referring to this turn:


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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 03:09:35 AM »
After Baldwin got hired as AMA "PR Flack" in 1955, Shaw hired Jesse Core, Baldwin's sidekick in Calcuitta, to take Baldwin's place.
Edwin Walker's Turtle Creek landlord hosted Core and William Ruffle's daughter's engagement party in the same house Oswald allegedly
later broke an exterior window pain, of.  William Ruffle was a Dallas newspaper opinion editor who is credited with coining the oppressive phrase, "Right to Work"!

Do you think Clay Shaw was a "highly paid contract source" who was helping the CIA bring fascism back to Italy?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Tom Scully on Yesterday at 03:06:36 AM »
But were their garbagemen golfing partners?

Hmm?


ME: What does "PR flack" mean?

Google AI: A "PR flack" is a slang or sometimes pejorative term for a public relations professional, press agent, or spokesperson. The term is often used in American English and can range from a neutral catch-all for PR representatives to a derogatory label for someone who spins negative stories.


A question for Tom "A Beautiful Mind" Scully:

Do you think Clay Shaw was a "highly paid contract source" who was helping the CIA bring fascism back to Italy?
No, I do not.

I am satisfied that Tom Purvis's observation that Garrison and Shaw were actually united in an effort to make further investigation of the JFKA
look foolish. It worked for a time. There was a hiatus in official inquiry from 1969 to 1975.

After Baldwin got hired as AMA "PR Flack" in 1955, Shaw hired Jesse Core, Baldwin's sidekick in Calcuitta, to take Baldwin's place.
Edwin Walker's Turtle Creek landlord hosted Core and William Ruffle's daughter's engagement party in the same house Oswald allegedly
later broke an exterior window pain, of.  William Ruffle was a Dallas newspaper opinion editor who is credited with coining the oppressive phrase, "Right to Work"!
Mrs. Ruffle Core got mixed up in the protests lead by Mac Wallace in reaction to U of T's disciplining Homer Rainey because of his politics.
The CIA did not forget Mrs. Core's role.

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https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/2326-malcolm-wallace-part-2/
By Larry Hancock
Horace Busby and Malcolm Wallace were not just schoolmates at UT; they were campus leaders, leaders allied in the same sorts of causes. Busby was the editor of the "Daily Texan", UT student newspaper, and a strong proponent of the liberal (for Texas in the 1940's) President of UT, Doctor Homer Rainey
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 03:00:04 AM »
I was responding to your question: "at what point do you think Rosemary Willis started looking back towards the TSBD instead of at the limo"? by identifying the point at which she started looking back towards the TSBD instead of at the limo.

1) Why wasn't she looking at the limo in both of those frames?

2) What was she looking at in Z-148?

3) Why did she start turning her head away from the limo and towards the TSBD by Z-141?

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 02:48:51 AM »
Coincidentally speaking, I am sure .... David Baldwin was kicked out of India as a CIA officer and Shaw snapped him up in the role of the Trade Mart's first PR flack.

But were their garbagemen golfing partners?

Hmm?


ME: What does "PR flack" mean?

Google AI: A "PR flack" is a slang or sometimes pejorative term for a public relations professional, press agent, or spokesperson. The term is often used in American English and can range from a neutral catch-all for PR representatives to a derogatory label for someone who spins negative stories.


A question for Tom "A Beautiful Mind" Scully:

Do you think Clay Shaw was a "highly paid contract source" who was helping the CIA bring fascism back to Italy?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Things I don't care about
« Last post by Tom Scully on Yesterday at 02:43:51 AM »
You're right.

NKVD/KGB/SVR/FSB/GRU "Illegals" are ephemeral.

(LOL!)

Clay Shaw was a volunteer Domestic Contacts source from 1948 to 1956.

Since workers are, by definition, paid for what they do for a company (pardon the pun), Shaw didn't "work" for the evil, evil, evil CIA.

He was a patriotic unpaid volunteer.,


As to whether or not Shaw was a witting or unwitting unpaid "asset" of the evil, evil CIA in 1963, who knows?

Is he one of your favorite "perps"?

Coincidentally speaking, I am sure.... David Baldwin was kicked out of India as a CIA officer and Shaw snapped him up in the role of the Trade Mart's first PR flack.

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https://www.maryferrell.org/pages/Unredacted_-_Episode_1_-_Transcript.html
Unredacted Episode 1: Transcript of Interview with Joan Mellen
Joan Mellen is the author of A Farewell to Justice: Jim Garrison, JFK’s Assassination, and the Case That Should Have Changed History. This interview was conducted on 22 Feb 2006. Tyler Weaver provided the introduction, and the interview was conducted by Rex Bradford.
…….
REX: I – I think –
JOAN: – when (Attorney Edward) Baldwin was present, he was a CIA asset, his brother worked for the International Trade Mart and Clay Shaw, David Baldwin, and these, these are CIA people….

.....
In the course of attempting to determine if my new fact checked research details were actually original, I found identical details, by author of a biography of Clay Shaw, Donald H Carpenter.



https://books.google.com/books?id=9mQtAgAAQBAJ&pg=PT138&lpg=PT138&dq="joan+mellen"...


Fred ignored the fact that Nicholas Lemann was Thomas's son Steohen's nephew, and David Baldwin's mother-in-law (Thomas &  Stephen's step-mom since 1947)  was Nicholas's step-grandmother, the only fraternal grandmother Nicholas knew. :

Whoops!

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GQ Magazine - "The Case Against Jim Garrison"
Writer: Fred Litwin
Fred Litwin
Oct 5, 2023
19 min read

Updated: Feb 2

The January 1992 issue of GQ featured an article by Nicholas Lemann titled "The Case Against Jim Garrison."
GQ Magazine - "The Case Against Jim Garrison"
Writer: Fred Litwin
Fred Litwin
Oct 5, 2023
19 min read

Updated: Feb 2The January 1992 issue of GQ featured an article by Nicholas Lemann titled "The Case Against Jim Garrison."
.....

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 02:33:35 AM »
Point being?
I was responding to your question: "at what point do you think Rosemary Willis started looking back towards the TSBD instead of at the limo"? by identifying the point at which she started looking back towards the TSBD instead of at the limo.
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