JFK Assassination Forum

That's not correct, John. Governor Connally's first visible signs of distress occur in Z225 (facial distortion; his mouth opens; and, most significant, the flinching shoulders--a surefire "reflex action" to an external stimulus).

JC-

Thanks for your comments.

Even if we ignore Jackie K's reaction, we see JFK at Z-226, obviously struck:

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z226.jpg

JBC is sitting bolt upright at Z-226. JBC's testimony is the shot that struck him in his back pushed him forward.

I will run with JBC's version of what happened to himself on this one. Witnesses can be in error, we all know that.

But JBC remembering receiving a blow in the back and getting pushed forward...that seems basic.

Hard to tell when JBC was struck, and the exact orientation of his torso. I concede all of that, which is why i say about Z-295. Might be later. The second gunsel was perhaps not in the TSBD.

JBC getting struck ~z-295 also lines up with many witnesses who heard a "bang.....bang-bang" cadence.

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We are on different pages on this one, but that happens in JFKA discussions.

I respect your views, I just disagree.

    The above presents absolutely nothing to refute what I have proven. It is physically impossible for both Haygood and Harkness to be filmed together at 12:34 PM. We are Not seeing Motorcycle Officer Haygood on the Darnell Film.
    The above claims this impostor was, "easy to find". If this were the case, why am I the only person to Ever discover that this charlatan was masquerading as a DPD Motorcycle Officer?
     Regarding a narrative that fits this impostor, it's "crowd control". If you notice, the impostor paralleled Buddy Walthers and Roger Craig. He steadily stayed between them and the string of train cars. We can Not see inside those train cars. The train car windows do not permit seeing inside the passenger train cars from the outside. Do we know specifically what was inside each of those train cars following the kill shot? Have any of you seen any images of the inside of those train cars after the kill shot? I haven't. I also have Not seen any images of the other side of this string of train cars either. And, the top of those passenger train cars is a very high ground position relative to Elm St. And, Zapruder and Bill Newman reported shot(s) being fired from behind them. The string of passenger train cars were behind Zapruder and Bill Newman. A possible high ground firing position from inside the railroad yard was posed by Josiah Thompson when he interviewed Sitzman in 1966.

Regarding a narrative that fits this impostor, it's "crowd control". If you notice, the impostor paralleled Buddy Walthers and Roger Craig.

He steadily stayed between them and the string of train cars.

We can Not see inside those train cars. The train car windows do not permit seeing inside the passenger train cars from the outside. Do we know specifically what was inside each of those train cars following the kill shot? Have any of you seen any images of the inside of those train cars after the kill shot? I haven't. I also have Not seen any images of the other side of this string of train cars either.

Royell is part of the old guard and has been studying this case for many decades and since he and his clan have not found even a sliver of evidence for conspiracy, they are now reduced to making outlandish claims on whatever morsel they can find.

But here, at the end of the day, having an "imposter" officer parading around nearly five minutes later while wearing a helmet which sticks out like dogs proverbials goes where exactly?
What narrative actually fits an easy to find "imposter" suddenly turning up and taking off a glove and still walking around five minutes later? It's absurd!

JohnM

JC-

My layman's take:

This is an image of JBC at Z-222 (see link below), JBC is sitting straight and upright, looks uninjured to me. You can see Jackie K. is looking with concern towards JFK. The President has already been shot. But JBC looks unharmed.

JBC may, or may not look alarmed (your call good as any) in the next few frames, but at this point he has heard the gunshot. I think he looks alarmed, startled, has sense of an impact behind him.



OK, here we have the left profile of JBC's face (see link below), as he had turned around to look for JFK, after hearing the gunshot. That is what he testified. No sign of blood on JBC. This about 2.8 seconds after JFK has been shot.

JBC never testified to having been spun around by the shot that struck him. He testified that under his own power he turned around.



~Z-295 this is where I think JBC is shot. Hard to tell, as his torso is below the door, out of view.



Here JBC looks possibly to be pain:



More pain:



JBC is registering pain at Z-305, but that is 4.6 seconds after JFK was struck at Z-222.

JFK registered pain almost immediately during-after Z-222, as seen by Jackie K's reaction. Granted, not all people are alike...but seems like stretch that JBC would have such a delayed reaction.

If you read through Dr Shaw's WC and HSCA testimonies, you will see he is skeptical that one shot struck both JBC and JFK, and also wonders aloud where the shot that struck JBC's wrist came from.

Anyways, that my view.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.