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This is a photo of the small round hole in the rear of Gov. JBC's assassination-day shirt.



This small round shirt-hole was actually enlarged twice, legitimately, once by the FBI and once by the HSCA, to test cloth for metallic residue. The initial hole was even smaller, but unfortunately it appears there are no photos of the original, even smaller hole.

JBC's surgeon, Dr. Robert Shaw, who worked on 700-odd wartime bullet wounds while serving in the WWII Army, was of the opinion that JBC received a direct shot from above and behind, which left an ovoid wound, north-south on JBC's back, per his drawing of the wound.

Shaw expanded or debrided JBC's back wound to remove dead flesh and any foreign material, leading to confusion about the actual size of initial wound later.

In addition, the exit hole in JBC's assassination-day suit is also small and round, indicating the slug was not tumbling as it exited JBC.



I conclude the slug that struck Gov. JBC's back was not tumbling, in concordance with the sentiments of Dr. Shaw, a very experienced surgeon, with no evident axes to grind.

The "tumbling bullet" appears to be among the many myths subscribed to by LNT'ers, or CT'ers, regarding the JFKA, in order to buttress their narratives. 

https://www.tsl.texas.gov/lobbyexhibits/jfk-suit

The Secret Service killed him through inaction.

I must say, this thread has completely lost me. Isn't the dishing of the primer, as observed by Chapman and as seen in the HSCA composite, the more significant issue? It would be conclusive evidence that CE 543 was a dry-firing shell, yes? The dent could be why CE 543 became a dry-firing shell - i.e., it was no longer suitable for reloading. The dent could have happened during practice with the M-C or CE 543 could have simply been picked up someplace by Oswald. Yes, the dent perhaps could have happened when CE 543 was fired on 11-22 - but not if the primer shows evidence of more than one firing pin impact. What am I missing?

Lance, if you haven’t already read it, the article that Jack cited very early on in this thread that includes a bit about Dr. Chapman can be found at this link at archive.org:

https://archive.org/details/they-killed-the-president-by-alan-stang-american-opinion-february-1976


Personally, I wasn’t impressed with Dr. Chapman’s experiments with a Carcano rifle. One of the tests literally backfired in his face and injured him substantially.

If you continue to read the rest of the article you will be treated to one of the most bizarre conspiracy theories that I have read. You seem to like weird stuff. So I thought you might be interested.

Dear Royell,

We know CE-399 was already tumbling when it penetrated JBC's back and then traveled several inches along his fifth rib and shattered it before it exited his chest.

Given that, why in the world couldn't it have been tumbling/twirling when it penetrated his wrist, and done so butt-end-first?

-- Tom

We know CE-399 was already tumbling when it penetrated JBC's back

And "we" know this how, exactly?

No, sounded more likes a proclamation. Not just one dent but two dents from the same strike on the rear bridge. Unbelievable is what it is.

It’s just the opposite Jack, the higher quality photo from a side angle shows us that there is absolutely no flare out on the mouth of CE 543. And furthermore, when we now compare the two top view photos of CE 543 and the HSCA test cartridge #2, we can now see how very similar they actually are. I am now of the strong opinion that the rear bridge caused both dents.

Up your game a little bit and reread Six Seconds in Dallas.

Jack, what you just posted is not what I posted earlier. You changed the wording in order to try to distort what I wrote. Shame on you!

Also, I should have been more clear about what I meant by “both dents”. It wasn’t two different dents on the same cartridge. It was the two dents on the necks of two different cartridges (CE 543 & the HSCA test cartridge #2) that I had previously specified in the immediately prior sentence. Both cartridges were fired in the rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD on 11/22/63. Therefore, I believe that the same rear bridge could have caused the two different but similar dents on the necks of these two different cartridges.