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JFK Assassination & General Discussion & Debate / Re: The Charlie Kirk conspiracy theories have officially begun

« Last post by Joffrey van de Wiel on Yesterday at 04:18:52 PM »

I don't think Charlie Kirk's death was the result of a conspiracy. This Robinson fella confessed (twice even I think) he was captured on CCTV and recognized by his parents etc. I am not familiar with the ballistics and autopsy results, but quite certain that these will reinforce the case against him. Same goes for the trace evidence (fingerprints, DNA, fibers etc).

Regarding his motive, he moved in circles of the mentally ill and was in an intimate relationship with a completely deranged individual. This may have warped his mind - if it wasn't so already - and pushed him towards an attack on a Christian conservative like Kirk. It was a high-profile target and presumably would raise his standing in the weird but dangerous woke community he was part of.

Matt Walsh and Megyn Kelly have revealed evidence that strongly indicates other people were aware of his plan. Their failure to notify authorities is appalling and perhaps even punishable by law. It does NOT however mean they conspired with Robinson.

JFK Assassination & General Discussion & Debate / DiEugenio Promotes Prayer Man Scam To Congress

« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 03:47:28 PM »

My Prayer Man postings were THE biggest threat to The Education Forum's pet theory...Every post I made was responded to with a barrage of protesting responses...Moderator Gordon rode my back on every post making up false rules and false complaints in order to remove my evidence from the board...I haven't seen any member on that board subjected to such moderator abuse ever since...My evidence was such a threat to that board that I was banned for life with a special administrative watch put out for me...Enforced silence...When the progress of the evidence 100% came in in my favor it was dishonestly ignored...

Prior to the Luna Task Force I sent e-mails to Morley warning him about the Prayer Man theory...Morley had the sense to heed my warnings and my input resulted in Morley's disclaimer of the Prayer Man theory in front of the United States Congress...Speer reduces this to "anger and vitriol"...

If you view the "Ciphered Past" video with Bart Kamp you will see I am very much on the mind of the main Prayer Man promoter...And if you have a good idea of human behavior and what people fear you can see Kamp and Ciphered Past are very much afraid of my evidence due to the way they avoid it in their slanderous discussions of myself...These people are very afraid of letting me defend my work on a fair playing field...The dishonest way they deal with me is very much indicative of their awareness of the danger of my research to their BS theory...Kamp himself put it best when he said "This is all because of one person...Brian Doyle"...Their use of cowardly censorship speaks the most and shows they are afraid of letting me show my evidence because of their awareness that it is deadly to their Prayer Man BS...These are cheap hacks however who aren't beneath petty banning and censorship to protect what they know to be a bogus theory...Again, if you have a good sense of things the evidence that makes the difference on Prayer Man is exactly what is being kept off "Ciphered Past" and The Education Forum...That evidence is my evidence as I credibly apply it...My discussions here are no different than anyone else's so why the intense effort to deny me my earned posting space amongst my peers?...The only answer to that is their awareness that my evidence refutes their corrupted false claims and their honor-less willingness to practice cowardly censorship...

JFK Assassination & General Discussion & Debate / Re: The Charlie Kirk conspiracy theories have officially begun

« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 03:07:51 PM »

Just found out on my newsreader that the latest CT that's gathering steam is that Mitch McConnell is already dead. While I would not be surprised to find out he's in the express checkout lane, I find it a little far fetched to think he had assumed room temperature and somebody would want to keep that a secret. For what purpose? Maybe he's comatose. Maybe he's brain dead and they haven't pulled the plug. But if he was truly dead, i.e. all bodily functions have ceased, I think they would have made that public.

JFK had died before his official time of death of 1:00 CST but the announcement was withheld for another half hour for security purposes because they wanted to get LBJ to AF1 and have him sworn in. That's understandable. Biden passed away sometime during his term of office but as long as they had the autopen functioning, there was nor reason to make that announcement. Besides, if they admitted that, Kamala would have become POTUS and nobody wanted that. Somebody made the reasonable choice that it was better to have a corpse propped up at the Resolute desk than a lush.

JFK Assassination & General Discussion & Debate / Re: DiEugenio Promotes Prayer Man Scam To Congress

« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 03:02:14 PM »

Quote from: Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 02:32:45 PM

I disagree and the first effort to trace and investigate the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of Darnell will prove it to be a 1st generation film to film copy that shows Sarah Stanton's dress neckline on Prayer Man and ends the issue...The only reason this hasn't happened is because the Prayer Man people dishonestly don't want to be the people who disprove their own theory...The main means this is achieved by is Mark Knight lying and saying I have committed horrible offenses that prohibit me from being allowed Education Forum membership...Knight is lying and is abusing his moderator power in order to protect the clique...These people already proved their worth by placing someone who nearly scuttled the forum, by means of his own lack of respect for the Forum, in total control...It is amazing the things you can come up with when you are in charge of judging your own doings...Mark Knight oversaw Stanton's face being clearly shown on Prayer Man in the Davidson Enhancement and reacted by banning the person who presented the correct evidence and siding with those who brought a false theory before Congress...The membership was fine with that disgraceful desecration of good research and traded integrity for posting space...Good research for lies and corruption...

There's something seriously wrong with a research community that sees the neckline emerge organically from the evidence and responds to it with forgery lies and censorship...

Again, by rational logic, the only thing that could result in such a sharper copy at the time Jones obtained his copy would be a 1st generation film to film copy...Doubting this is just taking advantage of time in order for the original individuals to not be able to explain their evidence...The entire Greg Parker BS Prayer Man theory is just a taking advantage of time in order to wait for the people who could tell Kamp he's full of it to die off and not be available...The main thrust of the BS Prayer Man theory is not evidence...It is blocking and banning...

Seriously, how many people do you believe were following your "Prayer Man" postings at the Ed Forum? If that Forum had an audience of size, it would Not have collapsed. Whatever the value of your "Prayer Man" postings might have been, if next to nobody is following them, why would anyone go out of their way to inhibit them? You're deluding yourself. Why do you think that Kamp does lengthy "You Tube" presentations? You can learn a lot by just watching your perceived opposition.

JFK Assassination & General Discussion & Debate / DiEugenio Promotes Prayer Man Scam To Congress

« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 02:32:45 PM »

I disagree and the first effort to trace and investigate the 6th Floor Museum 1st generation copy of Darnell will prove it to be a 1st generation film to film copy that shows Sarah Stanton's dress neckline on Prayer Man and ends the issue...The only reason this hasn't happened is because the Prayer Man people dishonestly don't want to be the people who disprove their own theory...The main means this is achieved by is Mark Knight lying and saying I have committed horrible offenses that prohibit me from being allowed Education Forum membership...Knight is lying and is abusing his moderator power in order to protect the clique...These people already proved their worth by placing someone who nearly scuttled the forum, by means of his own lack of respect for the Forum, in total control...It is amazing the things you can come up with when you are in charge of judging your own doings...Mark Knight oversaw Stanton's face being clearly shown on Prayer Man in the Davidson Enhancement and reacted by banning the person who presented the correct evidence and siding with those who brought a false theory before Congress...The membership was fine with that disgraceful desecration of good research and traded integrity for posting space...Good research for lies and corruption...

There's something seriously wrong with a research community that sees the neckline emerge organically from the evidence and responds to it with forgery lies and censorship...

Again, by rational logic, the only thing that could result in such a sharper copy at the time Jones obtained his copy would be a 1st generation film to film copy...Doubting this is just taking advantage of time in order for the original individuals to not be able to explain their evidence...The entire Greg Parker BS Prayer Man theory is just a taking advantage of time in order to wait for the people who could tell Kamp he's full of it to die off and not be available...The main thrust of the BS Prayer Man theory is not evidence...It is blocking and banning...

JFK Assassination & General Discussion & Debate / Re: The Charlie Kirk conspiracy theories have officially begun

« Last post by Tom Scully on Yesterday at 11:48:25 AM »

Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 02:31:28 AM

MTG--

Yes, the COVID-19 tale confirms that government, even two governments (Beijing and Washington), and multiple agencies and actors can and did participate in a cover-up, and induced the mass and social media to not only participate in the cover-up, but to ridicule and even ban those who had alternative narratives.

Remember, some social media platforms banned commentary that a lab leak was responsible for the COVID-9 pandemic.

AI: Facebook and Instagram: In early 2020, Facebook explicitly classified "COVID-19 is man-made or manufactured" as a false claim to be removed. On May 26, 2021, Facebook ended this ban after consulting with public health experts.

Twitter (now X): Twitter also implemented COVID-19 misinformation policies early on, which initially restricted certain origin theories. Twitter later quietly lifted its COVID-19 misinformation enforcement in late 2022.

Other Platforms: Similar moderation strategies were used across networks like YouTube and TikTok, relying heavily on the World Health Organization consensus at the time.

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The above is an ugly record of what can happen to the truth.

Although I believe the initial JFKAC was very limited, I believe there was a subsequent government cover-up, following President LBJ's diktat that LHO be found an LN.

Not all CTs are alike. Some hold water.

Not all government narratives are truthful. Some are not.

Social media platforms, more reckless than these knuckle heads?

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Yahoo
https://www.yahoo.com/news/killed-herman-cain-says-trump-001325858.html
‘We killed Herman Cain,’ says Trump staffer, according to …
Nov 13, 2021 · While it is largely believed that Cain contracted the virus at Trump’s rally, both a Cain representative and the White House downplayed the connection …

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/03/politics/trump-covid-amy-coney-barrett-event
October 3, 2020
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Barrett’s entire family – including her husband and seven children – were flown on a military plane from their home in South Bend, Indiana, to attend the event. Ahead of the ceremony, they all packed into the Oval Office to meet with the President, first lady, Vice President Mike Pence and his wife Karen....

JFK Assassination & General Discussion & Debate / Re: The smell of gunpowder

« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 11:21:53 AM »

Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 12:47:00 AM

I've corrected you on this stuff before, but I see you're repeating it again.

Recap: One, the witnesses who smelled gunpowder said they smelled it on the grassy or near the knoll. Two, they indicated they smelled it very soon after the shooting, within less than about 1 minute after the shooting, judging from their accounts. Three, several witnesses also said they saw gun smoke coming from an area of the picket fence on the knoll. Four, a small cloud of apparent gun smoke can be seen in the Wiegman film hanging over a point on the grassy knoll.

I'm not disputing that people on the GK might have smelled gunpowder. The people I've seen most often cited as having smelled gunpowder were people in the motorcade such as Senator Yarborough. He was in the middle of Elm St. when he smelled the gunpowder residue. I don't think anyone has suggested a shot was fired from Elm St. which tells us that the residue had traveled some distance from its source. That doesn't tell us where that source was. It is illogical to conclude that because these people smelled the residue as they were passing the GK that is an indication the source was the GK. The smell of gunpowder in no way tells us where the shots originated from. We have much better evidence of that: the spent shells in the sniper's next, the murder weapon on the 6th floor, and several eyewitnesses who located the gunman before he fired his last shot. CTs have no real evidence of a second gunman so they grab onto morsels such as this.

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You're talking about a case where the gunman fired inside a building with an air circulation system and fired only about 10-15 feet away from the ballroom entrance. It's not a bit surprising that some people in the ballroom could smell gunpowder, and, more important, the gunpowder did not "drift quite a distance" from its origin.

So any suggestion that the Trump assassination attempt implies that the gunpowder that Dealey Plaza witnesses smelled near/on the grassy knoll came from 60 feet up and 200-plus feet away is baseless.

". . . from it's origin"? You mean "from its origin." The possessive form of "it" is "its," not "it's." "It's" is a contraction of "It is." Sheesh, this is junior-high-level English.

If you are going to use the smell of gunpowder on Elm St. as evidence of a shot from the GK, the burden is on you to prove that the residue was discharged from the GK. At the very least, you would need to prove that residue could not have been discharged from the sniper's nest. As is the norm for CTs, you assume what you have failed to prove.

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I usually do not call attention to someone's apparent lack of education, but I'm making an exception in your case because of the arrogant and dismissive polemic that you use while making erroneous claims that prove you don't know what you're talking about.

I see you are projecting again.

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You have no business starting threads unless they're only asking sincere questions.

By sincere questions, you mean ones that are critical of the WCR. You resent when critical thinking is applied to the CT arguments.

JFK Assassination & General Discussion & Debate / Re: Which Six Books Would You Recommend to a Newcomer?

« Last post by Tom Scully on Yesterday at 11:15:11 AM »

Quote from: Tom Graves on Yesterday at 10:28:35 AM

I became aware of this memo several years ago.

Question: does this prove that Russophile Ruthie was an agent of the evil, evil CIA?

Ruthie, CIA? It is possible, but Priscilla is more entertaining.

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https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/19058-questions-for-peter-janney-on-his-book-mary%E2%80%99s-mosaic/page/4/
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Oswald and the CIA: The Documented Truth about the Unknown ... - Google Books Result

books.google.com/books?isbn=1602392536... John Newman - 2008 - Biography & Autobiography - 669 pages
... One new lead comes from a heretofore unconnected recollection of Priscilla's. It concerns a neighbor, who was a close friend and regular tennis partner of Stuart Johnson's, Priscilla's father. Sometime soon after her return from the Soviet Union, this friend asked Stuart if he might speak with Priscilla about her experiences in Moscow. The meeting took place, and Priscilla told the man what she could remember about her stay in Moscow. That man, who had known her since she was a small child, was F. Trubee Davidson. He worked for the CIA.9

Looking back on her experience now, Priscilla believes it is possi ble that Davidson "was waiting for me to grow up to recruit me." It is an intriguing thought, and one that she has had about one other person too. "The other person who was waiting for me to grow up," she recalls, "was Cord Meyer." While we do not know the extent of Cord Meyer's knowledge or interest in Johnson up to the time that the CIA closed out its interest in her in January 1957, he does show up the next time they become interested.

More than a year after this close-out, the CIA again reopened its interest in Priscilla Johnson. On April 10, 1958, CIA headquarters sent a cable to a place that is still classified but which, from all indications, was one of its stations in Western Europe. It contained this detailed and condescending description of Johnson referred to earlier. It is worth repeating in full:

JFK Assassination & General Discussion & Debate / Re: How Mrs. Connally Described Her Husband Being Shot-HSCA

« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 11:05:16 AM »

Quote from: Andrew Mason on July 08, 2026, 11:09:34 PM

A bit circular. I thought you were arguing that the bullet was yawing because of what the doctors saw, not what they may have gathered from talking to others. In any event, the concept that the torso was "nearly parallel with the flight of the bullet" must be based on the direction of the bullet not its orientation when it entered.

Either a tangential entry or a yawing bullet could produce an elongated entry wound. Since the medical team AT THE TIME would have had no reason to believe the bullet and struck someone or something before entering JBC's back, it is understandable why they would conclude the bullet made a tangential entry wound into JBC's back. That would indicate the bullet was traveling almost parallel to his back. The problem with that is a bullet entering at that angle would have continued on and exited from the left side of his torso. The other possibility would be if the bullet made a tangential entry going in the opposite direction which would require the shot to have been fired from the south side of Elm St. In any case, the ER doctors were simply wrong in concluding that the elongated wound was caused by a tangential strike. It was caused by a yawing bullet. No other explanation fits the available evidence.

JFK Assassination & General Discussion & Debate / Re: Which Six Books Would You Recommend to a Newcomer?

« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 10:28:35 AM »

Quote from: Tom Scully on Yesterday at 09:08:04 AM

Tommy, have you forgotten that, according to the 1930 census, a future CIA officer, Talbot Bielefeldt, reporting to Bruce Solie, was residing in NYC with Ruth's parents. We'll let Bruce Solie explain it, in his own words.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=162099#relPageId=1

I became aware of this memo several years ago.

Question: does this prove that Russophile Ruthie was an agent of the evil, evil CIA?

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