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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The Secrets Of Anne Dischler
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on Yesterday at 10:44:49 AM »
Dischler had a secret, like Ms Kilgallen? lol
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The Hole in the Limousine's Windshield: Proof of a Second Gunman
« Last post by Ted Sager on Yesterday at 08:57:24 AM »
Because the crack or hole showed up between the K back shot and the head shot, where did this slug go?????
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 08:47:27 AM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on Yesterday at 01:18:15 AM
    Where is Zapruder? The Bell Film shows Wiegman running across the stairs/directly toward Zapruder. He gets very close to Zapruder. Wiegman then hangs a (L) and runs down the knoll between the Stemmons Sign and the Newman Family. We should be able to see a trace of the lower body of Zapruder up atop the steps. We do Not. Why? Zapruder has moved during a "Time Gap" here. "Missing Time"! Maybe, Wiegman for whatever reason, Stopped up there before hanging a (L) and running down the knoll. Remember that in "Pictures Of The Pain" (1994), Wiegman said that he saw SA Lem Johns UP-The-Knoll. Maybe this time gap/lost time is when Wiegman saw SA Lem Johns up-the-knoll? Maybe Wiegman filmed SA Lem Johns during this "time gap"? SA Johns claimed that he Never left Elm St after he jumped out of the LBJ SS Car.  The FBI has always claimed that no agents were assigned a ground position inside Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63.
    The Yellow Circled Officer Hargis is also a problem. He gave WC Testimony that he ran to that little wall that runs down from Zapruder. Hargis thought a shooter had fired from atop the Triple Underpass. He wanted to get a good look at the top of the Triple Underpass while covered by the short wall. But Hargis being behind the short wall is not on any image.
     The Wiegman Film was claimed to have been shot "continuously" for 30+ years following the assassination. "Pictures Of The Pain" comes out 31 yrs after the assassination with Wiegman claiming to have seen SA Lem Johns "Up-The Knoll", and all the sudden the Wiegman Film is now claimed to NOT be filmed continuously. There is a connection.
The Bell Film shows Wiegman running across the stairs/directly toward Zapruder.

The Bell film shows Weigman (circled in red) lying on the steps. He has just finished filming the Hesters (Mrs Hester circled in yellow) and is in the process of getting up.
Weigman doesn't move from this spot. He doesn't approach Zapruder at all. Note - in the bottom left of this image we can see Hargis stood by a lamp post.



There is then a cut in the film and Weigman is suddenly down by the Newmans. Note - in this image we can see Hargis is now running across Elm Street towards his car.



In the Couch film we see the moment Weigman runs down the knoll from his spot on the steps filming the Hesters to his spot near the Newmans where he starts to film them. We should be able to see Zapruder and Sitzman in the Couch footage but the Stemmons sign is in the way.



In the image above Weigman is about half way along his run. Hargis is still at the lamp post and is about to start his run across Elm Street.


"The Wiegman Film was claimed to have been shot "continuously" for 30+ years following the assassination."

From my own viewing it seems that the opening shot of the Weigman film is a single shot up until the point he has finished filming the Hesters. The film then clearly cuts to the Newmans. There can be zero doubt there is a cut at this point so I'm not sure how there could be a claim that it was continuous.


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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The smell of gunpowder
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 02:37:21 AM »
JC-

I never said the snubnose .38 was used to fire upon the limo.

Although a .38, firing lead, rather than FMJ bullets, might explain the Tague shot. Might. Might not. Only lead was detected on the curb near Tague.

My best guess is the GK smoke-and-bang show was a diversion, and it worked.

The second official investigation, HSCA, found someone fired a shot in the GK area as the limo passed.

There it stands. Each to his own.

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Yet Another Bullet That the Lone-Gunman Theory Cannot Explain
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 02:31:59 AM »
MC--

It is difficult to believe that not one but two FBI agents would use the word "missile" to mean something other than a whole bullet.

Forgotten today, in 1963--

Under longtime Director J. Edgar Hoover, the FBI accepted applicants who possessed either a law degree or a four-year college degree in accounting.---AAI

In the early 1960s, FBI agents were smart guys. Obviously literate.

There is something fishy when it comes to the topic of bullets and the JFKA. Too many bullets spoils the plot?

While I do not subscribe to a "Deep State" crime and cover-up of the JFKA, it is clear that LBJ and WC pursued the LNT to the exclusion of all else. No nuke wars with Russia!

The second official investigation, the HSCA 1979, into the JFKA found there was likely a JFKAC.

And there it stands.

Caveat emptor, and draw your conclusions.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on Yesterday at 01:49:05 AM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 12:22:07 AM
My bad. I meant to say exited from below his right nipple. I've fixed it if you want to respond.
Sorry, John. I should have asked you first if that was a mistake.  In reading it over I can see that the rest fits with you intending to say “exited”. 

The key to understanding the second bullet is to understand why JBC felt such a forceful impact where the bullet entered. That impact requires the bullet to undergo a significant change in momentum at the point of impact.  The bullet didn’t stop there and it did not penetrate the fifth rib at the point of impact. That occurred farther along the rib. Since the bullet little damage at the point of initial impact, it did not lose much energy, hence speed, there. The bullet had lots of energy after that initial impact because it took out the last 10 cm of the rib driving bone shards into the lower right lung and then had enough energy to fracture the radius in several pieces.

So the momentum imparted by the bullet to the fifth rib did not result from a significant and sudden loss of its speed at the point of impact.  Rather the momentum transferred to the body at the point of impact was due to a sudden change in direction of the bullet at the point of impact. This means the bullet struck the fifth rib at much more than a shallow glance. It struck the fifth rib solidly at an angle much closer to the normal or perpendicular to the surface of the rib. The fact that the rib fractured farther up the rib close to the spine supports this forceful, more normal impact angle. Since it did not penetrate the rib at that point, it changed direction to follow along the rib.  Since force is equal the time rate of change of momentum (Force=change in momentum/time period) the sudden change in direction requires a large force applied by the body to the bullet at that point with an equal and opposite force of the bullet to the body at the point of impact.

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Tom Graves on Yesterday at 01:23:23 AM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 01:03:40 AM
If you don't want me to respond to your half-assed posts, don't make any.

I told you he was a jerk.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Royell Storing on Yesterday at 01:18:15 AM »
Quote from: Dan O'meara on August 30, 2026, 11:36:00 PM
;D
I posted my last REPLY expressing my disappointment at not being able to find the moment when Weigman makes his way from filming the Hesters to filming the Newmans, had a quick look at Malcom Couch's footage and instantly saw exactly what I was looking for.
The cropped still below is from Couch.
The focus is on the figure in the red circle.
This figure runs from point A to point B along the blue line.
It is Wegman running between the Hesters and the Newmans.
It takes him about 3 seconds to cover this distance.



He can be seen in the footage below starting around the 4 second mark:


    Where is Zapruder? The Bell Film shows Wiegman running across the stairs/directly toward Zapruder. He gets very close to Zapruder. Wiegman then hangs a (L) and runs down the knoll between the Stemmons Sign and the Newman Family. We should be able to see a trace of the lower body of Zapruder up atop the steps. We do Not. Why? Zapruder has moved during a "Time Gap" here. "Missing Time"! Maybe, Wiegman for whatever reason, Stopped up there before hanging a (L) and running down the knoll. Remember that in "Pictures Of The Pain" (1994), Wiegman said that he saw SA Lem Johns UP-The-Knoll. Maybe this time gap/lost time is when Wiegman saw SA Lem Johns up-the-knoll? Maybe Wiegman filmed SA Lem Johns during this "time gap"? SA Johns claimed that he Never left Elm St after he jumped out of the LBJ SS Car.  The FBI has always claimed that no agents were assigned a ground position inside Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63.
    The Yellow Circled Officer Hargis is also a problem. He gave WC Testimony that he ran to that little wall that runs down from Zapruder. Hargis thought a shooter had fired from atop the Triple Underpass. He wanted to get a good look at the top of the Triple Underpass while covered by the short wall. But Hargis being behind the short wall is not on any image.
     The Wiegman Film was claimed to have been shot "continuously" for 30+ years following the assassination. "Pictures Of The Pain" comes out 31 yrs after the assassination with Wiegman claiming to have seen SA Lem Johns "Up-The Knoll", and all the sudden the Wiegman Film is now claimed to NOT be filmed continuously. There is a connection.   
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Yet Another Bullet That the Lone-Gunman Theory Cannot Explain
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Yesterday at 01:07:29 AM »
Quote from: John Corbett on Yesterday at 12:07:22 AM
According to my list of witnesses, neither Siebert nor O'Neill were ever called to testify before the WC, the HSCA, or the ARRB. So where does that leave us determining what they meant by a missile?

A receipt made out to Captain J.H. Stover, Jr., Commanding Officer, U.S. Naval Medical School, National Naval Medical Center, Bethesda, Maryland.
That clearly states (a) missile.  singular.  NOTHING about multiple fragments (2) - or "portion of the projectile" wording used in the autopsy report.

 Thumb1: I gotta go with a bullet was in the room, then it wasn't.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 01:03:40 AM »
Quote from: Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 12:39:34 AM
No offence John, but you are completely ignorant regarding the amount of evidence demonstrating a first shot at z222/z223.
Have a read through this thread to get yourself up to speed with the subject.

I've read through the arguments for a first shot strike and I don't find them the least bit compelling. You can make an argument for just about any scenario you want depending on the witnesses you choose to believe. I choose to believe the witnesses who are corroborated by the best witness available, Zapruder's camera.
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For instance, you hold up Connally and Bennett as "ample" proof that there was a missed first shot. At his website, Pat Speer compiled a list of 44 witnesses who report JFK reacting to the first shot as we see in the Z-film - hands flying up towards his throat, slumping to his left etc
Are you familiar with the concept of 'weight of evidence'?

44 witnesses? Out of how many? There are many different versions of the shooting but there is only one correct one. I've weighed the evidence which convinces me there was a missed first shot. I find it far more likely that 44 people didn't recognize the first shot for what it was than that JBC and Bennett imagined hearing a shot that never happened, especially when we can see JBC doing exactly what he said he did in reaction to the first shot and that was several seconds before JFK and JBC were hit.
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And just to clear up the worst of your cowardly misrepresentations - I have never claimed that my suspicions or assumptions are evidence of anything. If I am stating an assumption I will say so. Unlike you, I understand the difference between a fact and an assumption.
And no-one has said anything about a "positively" missed third shot.
Your deviousness reveals a lack of character.

Your assumption and suspicion were the only arguments you gave for a missed 3rd shot. Where is your evidence of that?
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How can you be so sure the back shot wasn't his aiming point and the headshot struck high?

 :D :D :D
Do me a favour and don't ever respond to any of my posts. You're the worst kind of idiot and I really don't want to have to deal with you.  Thumb1:

If you don't want me to respond to your half-assed posts, don't make any.
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