JFK Assassination Forum

If Tippit had seen that Oswald had a revolver, he IMO wouldn't have gotten out of his car without first having taken his revolver out of it's holster.

The entire encounter is strange.

Oswald had no obvious reason for being at a suburban area like 10th street if he was on the run after killing Kennedy. Unless of course (and here comes the tin foil hat) in case he was told to go there, if whatever he was involved in went wrong. I somehow find that highly speculative possibility more plausible than the theory that a killer on the run takes a taxi (after offering one to a lady) to his rooming house, getting his revolver and then stand at the bus stop in front of the building, before deciding that he would go, of all places, to 10th street instead of walking to Jefferson and get on the first bus.

On the other hand, Tippit had no obvious reason to stop a civilian walking on the sidewalk, but he nevertheless initiated contact (without telling the operator) by calling Oswald to the side of the car to have a conversation with him. They didn't talk long, so what would have caused the massive escalation?

And if we assume that Oswald was the assassin on the run, why would he be so stupid to draw instant attention to himself and his location by killing a cop in front of witnesses? It seems to me this can't be explained by simply claiming he just panicked.

Does this mean Oswald didn't kill Tippit? No, of course not. It just means that none of it makes a great deal of sense, if you really think about it.

Yes, almost every aspect of the JFKA seems to have come from the pen of some crazed whodunnit author who was cackling "They'll NEVER figure this out!" Literally nothing is neat and clean. It just isn't.

Up to the Tippit killing, everything has gone unbelievably smoothly for Oswald. He survives the Baker encounter - near miracle. He exits the TSBD and walks away - near miracle. He gets to Beckley without incident and pockets his revolver - perfect. AND THEN HE STARTS WALKING DOWN THE SIDEWALK in full view of the world (perhaps even pausing to pee into the bushes!) - WHY? And then he encounters Tippit in full view of umpteen witnesses and PROCEEDS TO BLOW HIM AWAY, including a close-up kill shot to the head, thereby destroying in an instant any hope of a clean escape - WHY? Why did Oswald the previously cool cucumber morph so quickly into Oswald the crazed murderer? And, then, for whatever they are worth, we have the accounts of Tippit's morning activities that suggest he was up to "something" before the Oswald encounter. Anyone is certainly entitled to conclude "I'm 100% confident the LN narrative is fundamentally correct" - but the mysteries don't just go away. Hence my sleep-inducing exercise of trying to picture exactly, in detail, what the key players were doing and why.

"OK, Oswald sneaks into the Paine garage before 9 AM and wraps the rifle ... Ruth finds the light on at 9 ... Oswald goes back into the garage at 4 AM ... no, wait, that won't work because ..."

In a fit of near-terminal boredom, I reviewed a number of the many "Bowers" posts at the Ed Forum.

1. The entire transcript of Lane's interview with Bowers is available for a small fee from the Wisconsin Historical Society. Bowers specifically told Lane that he saw no accomplices on his side of the fence. Lane conveniently omitted this.

2. Ed Forum members expressed surprising skepticism about Bowers' credibility. Not that he was lying, but that he was conflating what he had actually seen and what he had later heard. One pretty careful analysis of what he could actually see from his tower makes clear that he could not have seen some of what he described (nothing about the cars, which he clearly could have seen).

3. There was, of course, speculation that Bowers himself was part of the conspiracy - a "lookout" of some sort.

4. Steve Thomas identified that the two cars with black-on-white out of state plates and Goldwater stickers had to be from Virginia. Langley, the CIA headquarters, is in Virginia. Case closed.

5. The following compilation was attributed to Matt Douthit:

* Researcher David Murph interviewed Reverend Wilfred Bailey, Bowers’s minister. "Lee did discuss that day with me. He said he saw movement behind the fence. He believed something was going on, but he never got more specific than that. He did not share with me any more than he shared with the Warren Commission."

* New Orleans district attorney Jim Garrison was approached by James R. Sterling, a friend and fellow employee of Bowers. Sterling said Bowers “...observed two men running from behind the fence. They ran up to a car parked behind the Pergola, opened the trunk and placed something in it and then closed the trunk. The two men then drove the car away in somewhat of a peculiar method.”

* Another friend of Bowers, Walter Rischel, came forward and revealed to reporter Morey Terry: “He said he saw a car pull up. Two men got out of the car, and they were carrying what appeared to be rifles. He said that one gunman apparently positioned himself either on their car or on a car. The other one I don’t recall where he said he was. He said he saw both men fire shots. He could tell by the puffs of smoke that it came from the rifles.” Terry: “You’re saying that Lee Bowers told you that he saw both men fire?” Rischel: “Yes, he did.”

* In addition, legendary Texas journalist Penn Jones Jr. said he also heard the complete Bowers story: “He said he saw gunmen firing at the President from their hidden position. He didn’t see all of them, but he saw two of them that were firing. At the President.”

* And finally, there is Olan Degaugh, Bowers’s boss. Researcher Debra Conway wrote: “I interviewed the supervisor for the railroad yard and Bowers’ boss's superior. He told us that Bowers told him and his direct boss that he did see the two men BEHIND THE FENCE and he thought at least one of them was shooting. He said he didn't go further with it because he was afraid. He didn't want his life threatened or ruined being the main witness against Lee Oswald being the lone shooter.” From Conway’s notes: “Degaugh felt Bowers never told the authorities about the men, the car, or what he saw these men doing immediately after the shooting because he did not want to be more involved in the assassination controversy.” A few years later, Conway re-interviewed Degaugh. “Degaugh said that Bowers told him that he saw someone running away. This person put something inside a car, get into the car and drive away. Degaugh said that Bowers told him it looked like a rifle.”

And on it goes.

Hence my suggestion that you should work on recognizing a joke.

I just did.

Trump - Il Duce = Perfect comparison re: populist rhetoric, anti-democratic tendencies, and personal leadership styles.

Just curious: Do you think Commie Snowflake Woke Libtards were responsible for the latter's demise?

What historical figure would you compare to Biden?  There have been many weak leftist leaders like Jimmy Carter and Neville Chamberlain, but at least they had their marbles.  Their wives didn't suspect that they had a stroke when they spoke.  Perhaps no country in history had a person with advanced dementia in charge.  The Commies actually did kill Mussolini. 

Numerous surveys have shown that 2/3 to 3/4 of adults in the Western world reject the WC's lone-gunman theory.

Which is an indication of just how pervasive and influential KGB disinformation ops have been ever since it set up Department D in the First Chief Directorate (today's SVR) and Department 14 in the Second Chief Directorate in 1959 and started applying them to the JFK assassination literally on Day One (11/22/63) via Morris Childs (FBI's SOLO) in Moscow.

The KGB's "Master Plan" / "Master Plot" of getting us to defeat ourselves by waging disinformation, "active measures," and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations against the CIA, the FBI, and the intelligence services of our NATO allies which began in 1959 (see above) really came to fruition after it planted an article in the Communist-owned Italian newspaper Paese Sera in March 1967 which motivated overly ambitious, scandal-plagued, and revengeful Jim Garrison to change his theory against Clay Shaw from "He masterminded the homosexual 'thrill kill' assassination of JFK!" to "He was a "highly paid contract agent" for the evil, evil CIA, and he organized the assassination for it!!!"

How many times have you watched the self-described mythological ("to counter the myth of the Warren Report") movie, "JFK," by Garrison's hagiographer, Oliver Stone, now, Griffith?