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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Royell Storing on September 29, 2026, 09:41:25 PM »
So you think he's standing upright?  Please explain?

   No, I do Not believe he is standing. I believe we are seeing him from his (L) side as he is running/stumbling toward the (W). What we are seeing is like watching a football player running/stumbling across the TV screen from the R-To-The-L. Instead of carrying a football, Wiegman is grasping his camera. He is moving (W), but at the same time he is looking Back over his (L) shoulder. Not looking where he was going probably is responsible for the stumbling. As the assassination images become clearer, JFK Assassination Urban Legends such as this one are being dismissed
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Andrew Mason on September 29, 2026, 09:23:20 PM »
You asked for an example of multiple witnesses making the same wrong observation and I gave you one. Now you want to move the goalposts.
Perhaps you misread my post.  I challenged you to find a single case in which "the witnesses all independently reported observing a simple fact" and "all were shown to have been wrong". No goalposts were moved since the creation of that challenge.
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we all got burned by that creature
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Steve Barber on September 29, 2026, 08:42:28 PM »
  STEVE - Thanks for posting that Bell still frame. To the (R) there is a Bench on the top of the steps. Below the bench is the Knoll Grass. Wiegman's legs/feet are on the same level as the Knoll Grass below that Bench. And there are Bell Film frames which include: (1) The Bench, (2) The Knoll Grass below the Bench, and (3) Wiegman MOVING (W) on the Knoll Grass.  Wiegman never said/wrote that he was "lying on the steps" while filming the Hester's, and no eyewitness has ever said they saw Wiegman lying on the steps. Plus, the Image Evidence does Not show him lying on the steps, or lying down anywhere at any point in time. Why would a professional photog do this, when he could film the Hester's while standing upright on the grass and/or go up the steps and film the Hester's from up there? This lying down stuff is disproven by the image evidence and makes absolutely no sense. Which is not uncommon for yet another JFK Assassination Urban Legend.

So you think he's standing upright?  Please explain? 
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Royell Storing on September 29, 2026, 06:05:38 PM »


Wiegman lying on the steps that lead to the pergola.

  STEVE - Thanks for posting that Bell still frame. To the (R) there is a Bench on the top of the steps. Below the bench is the Knoll Grass. Wiegman's legs/feet are on the same level as the Knoll Grass below that Bench. And there are Bell Film frames which include: (1) The Bench, (2) The Knoll Grass below the Bench, and (3) Wiegman MOVING (W) on the Knoll Grass.  Wiegman never said/wrote that he was "lying on the steps" while filming the Hester's, and no eyewitness has ever said they saw Wiegman lying on the steps. Plus, the Image Evidence does Not show him lying on the steps, or lying down anywhere at any point in time. Why would a professional photog do this, when he could film the Hester's while standing upright on the grass and/or go up the steps and film the Hester's from up there? This lying down stuff is disproven by the image evidence and makes absolutely no sense. Which is not uncommon for yet another JFK Assassination Urban Legend.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Determining a Timestamp for Darnell
« Last post by Steve Barber on September 29, 2026, 05:40:57 PM »


Wiegman lying on the steps that lead to the pergola.

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Likewise, we are being “hammered” by bad sourcing, posted by real people who say their source is true, but it’s not.  What a waste of time.  Does El Niño exist ? Hmmmm
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Gerry Patrick Hemming
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on September 29, 2026, 07:42:39 AM »
It would seem mssr. Hemming’s friend mssr. Burnham has included the (snicker)Torbitt Document as one of his sources.  how quaint.  anything else ?
Got ‘the crow’ yet ? lol

dang, feel like Albert or mr. Benjamin there, reporting from Duncan’s place.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Is This Our Man?
« Last post by Mark A. Oblazney on September 29, 2026, 06:06:29 AM »
hey, you guys, didn’t realize this until now, but if you hold your finger on the dancing gif, it stops !! which gave me time to compare the gentleman wearing the Lovelady Line of clothing with the Tan Man dancing, and you know what ?  They’re practically twins !  see for yourself !

Albert, “they” must have had squads of doppelgängers in the Plaza that dark day so long ago.  sigh.  those vicious Kennedy killers, as Ralph Sink would call us, i mean, “them”.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on September 29, 2026, 02:53:47 AM »
First of all, those were hardly all the witnesses who reported on the direction of the source.  I am looking for an instance where all the witnesses as to particular fact observation were mutually consistent but provably wrong.  Example: In this case, all the witnesses who were observing JFK and reported his reaction said he reacted in ways that are inconsistent with anything before z186.  Not a single witness said he continued to smile and wave after the first shot.

Second, sound direction is not a simple observable fact.  It is a complex process that relies on the brain's perception of a timing difference between the arrival of a sound wave front at each ear. Given the number and location of large reflecting surfaces, that sound difference will depend on the observer's location and proximity to reflecting surfaces.  We can see that in the way that observers' sense of sound direction varied by location.  Those closest to the rifle had no confusion about the direction of the source.  Those farthest away were confused.

You asked for an example of multiple witnesses making the same wrong observation and I gave you one. Now you want to move the goalposts.
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