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I don't have the patience at the moment to deal with your stupidity. Read the memo again. Read it very carefully. Try to understand what you read.

I see exactly what it says. Call it stupidity all day long.
 Thumb1: Right back ya. He is referring to the bullet and what he was told about fragments

How can you think a memo with the name OP Wright and the word bullet is referring to fragments as the same?
I'm not aware of him finding - being given  - or having anything to do  - with any fragment JBC or JFK.
He only found a bullet.
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OP Wright carried a bullet around in his pocket for a 1/2 hour.
The FBI refused to take it.

Eddie Barker | News Director, KRLD-TV

Wright: I told him to withhold and not to let anyone remove the bullet, and I would get a hold of either Secret Service,
or the FBI and turn it over to them. Thereby, it wouldn't have come through hands at all.
I contacted the FBI and they said they were not interested because it wasn't their responsibility to make investigations.
So I got a hold of a Secret Service man, and they didn't seem interested in coming to look at the bullet in the position it was in then.

So I went back to the area where Mr. Tomlinson was, and picked up the bullet, and put it in my pocket,
and I carried it some 30 or 40 minutes. And I gave it to a Secret Serviceman that was guarding the main door into the emergency room.

Barker: Mr Wright, when you gave this bullet to the Secret Service agent, did he mark it in anyway?
Wright: No, sir.

Barker: What did he do with it?
Wright: Put it in his left hand coat pocket.

Barker: Well now, did he ask your name, or who you were, or any questions at all about the bullet?
Wright: No, sir.

Barker: How did the conversation go? Do you remember?

Wright: I just told him, this was the bullet that was picked up on a stretcher,
that had come off the emergency elevator, that might be involved with the wounding of the Governor Connally.
And I handed him the bullet, and he took it, and looked at, and said, "O.K." and put it in his pocket.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The memo about a bullet "might be involved with the wounding of the Governor Connally."
The phone call was clarifying what he had told to a secret service agent.

 ::) It is a p--- poor example of the word bullet used to describe fragments
In this case was CE-399

I don't have the patience at the moment to deal with your stupidity. Read the memo again. Read it very carefully. Try to understand what you read.
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The memo is about the fragments removed from Connally. I posted it as an example of an FBI agent referring to bullet fragments as a bullet. If you were familiar with the subject, you wouldn't have ended up with your foot in your mouth.

OP Wright carried a bullet around in his pocket for a 1/2 hour.
The FBI refused to take it.

Eddie Barker | News Director, KRLD-TV

Wright: I told him [Tomlinson] to withhold and not to let anyone remove the bullet, and I would get a hold of either Secret Service,
or the FBI and turn it over to them. Thereby, it wouldn't have come through hands at all.
I contacted the FBI and they said they were not interested because it wasn't their responsibility to make investigations.
So I got a hold of a Secret Service man, and they didn't seem interested in coming to look at the bullet in the position it was in then.

So I went back to the area where Mr. Tomlinson was, and picked up the bullet, and put it in my pocket,
and I carried it some 30 or 40 minutes. And I gave it to a Secret Serviceman that was guarding the main door into the emergency room.

Barker: Mr Wright, when you gave this bullet to the Secret Service agent, did he mark it in anyway?
Wright: No, sir.

Barker: What did he do with it?
Wright: Put it in his left hand coat pocket.

Barker: Well now, did he ask your name, or who you were, or any questions at all about the bullet?
Wright: No, sir.

Barker: How did the conversation go? Do you remember?

Wright: I just told him, this was the bullet that was picked up on a stretcher,
that had come off the emergency elevator, that might be involved with the wounding of the Governor Connally.
And I handed him the bullet, and he took it, and looked at, and said, "O.K." and put it in his pocket.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
The memo about a bullet "might be involved with the wounding of the Governor Connally."
The phone call was clarifying what he had told to a secret service agent.

 ::) It is a p--- poor example of the word bullet used to describe fragments
In this case was CE-399
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BS: That memo is clearly bullet and fragments.
A bullet mentioned several times

The memo is about the fragments removed from Connally. I posted it as an example of an FBI agent referring to bullet fragments as a bullet. If you were familiar with the subject, you wouldn't have ended up with your foot in your mouth.
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Yes, there are a number of tiresome threads on the Education Forum which, under the pretext of linking the JFKA to all history that followed thereafter, become platforms for the usual red-blue, D vs R, left v. right pissing wars. Mostly manned by leftist ideologues.

One can read that stuff, both sides, in profusion all over the internet.


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they own the films and will only give them to, say, documentary directors or people in the industry wanting to license the film.

   The Sixth Floor does NOT OWN the Original Darnell Film or the Original Wiegman Film.
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I officiated high school and college football for over 25 years. I think I know what the official clock is and it's the clock on the primary scoreboard. You obviously misunderstood what the explanation was by the Big 10. The issue is with how the replay cameras are synced to the stadium clock. All the video cameras are supposed to be synced to the stadium clock before the game. There is a technical problem that causes the main TV camera that superimposes the first down line on the screen to fall about quarter second behind the other cameras. That's why the main camera showed the clock hit 0:00 before the pass was touched out of bounds while the end zone camera showed there was still 0:01 second on the stadium clock when the ball was touched. While the end zone camera was probably the more accurate one, the replay protocol dictates that the main broadcast camera is the one that should be used when determining timing issues such as this. The reason for that is obvious. The main camera is the one everybody looks at. Had they followed the protocol, they would have made the ruling based on what the main camera showed. Nobody would have ever known what the camera in the replay booth showed and there would be no controversy. The ruling on the field that the game clock had run out during the first Hail Mary would have stood and Western Michigan would have the victory.

The NFL has a protocol that says even if replay shows the play ended with one second still on the clock, they do not put time back on the clock. If it's that close, the call on the field stands and the game is declared over. If there isn't at least a two second error, the play stands as called on the field.

   Funny that you would mention the "1st down line on the screen". That "line" is also Not, "Dead on balls accurate". Just like the game clock.
   And do Not get me started on the actual "spotting" of the football. That is "putzed" up very often. Sometimes on purpose. This was made obvious with this repeatedly being done in favor of the KC Chiefs during the NFL Playoffs.
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A bullet wasn't taken from the body of Connally. A nurse did not have possession of a bullet removed from Connally. Wright gave the bullet that he received from Tomlinson to Richard Johnsen. The memorandum was unmistakably about the fragments removed from Connally. Nolan received bullet fragments, not a bullet. Loeffler was not assuming that Nolan had a bullet as well as the fragments. Loeffler was not assuming anything in that memorandum. Stop being so ridiculous. The memorandum is a clear example of an FBI agent referring to bullet fragments as a bullet.

 BS: That memo is clearly bullet and fragments.
A bullet mentioned several times
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 12:57:59 AM »
Thanks for some useful information. So if I’m understanding correct  a Z313 fragment could have had a velocity as high as 800 ft/ sec and still strike the curb if the fragments angle after exit from JFK skull was much more upward than the minimum angle required to go above the windshield.

Only question I have is how probable it is that  a fragment  deflects upward more than 45 degree after exiting the skull in order to have a steeper parabolic arc that shortens the horizontal distance traveled to coincide hitting the curb at the 800 ft/sec more  vertical strike angle of 45 degree or greater?

If it’s reasonable probable a fragment could deflect upward more than 45 degree upon exiting the skull at 800 ft/sec then I think the problem is finally solved.  Thumb1:

I don't think it's reasonable to think anyone is going to come up with accurate numbers for the exit velocity and the exit angle of the numerous fragments to determine if it is feasible that one of those fragments could have caused Tague's injury by chipping the concrete curb in front of him. I think we know how to frame the question but i don't know how you determine the right numbers. It's all guess work.
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    YOU have been conned. The stadium clock is Not Official. This is why the conference is challenging the outcome of the game.

I officiated high school and college football for over 25 years. I think I know what the official clock is and it's the clock on the primary scoreboard. You obviously misunderstood what the explanation was by the Big 10. The issue is with how the replay cameras are synced to the stadium clock. All the video cameras are supposed to be synced to the stadium clock before the game. There is a technical problem that causes the main TV camera that superimposes the first down line on the screen to fall about quarter second behind the other cameras. That's why the main camera showed the clock hit 0:00 before the pass was touched out of bounds while the end zone camera showed there was still 0:01 second on the stadium clock when the ball was touched. While the end zone camera was probably the more accurate one, the replay protocol dictates that the main broadcast camera is the one that should be used when determining timing issues such as this. The reason for that is obvious. The main camera is the one everybody looks at. Had they followed the protocol, they would have made the ruling based on what the main camera showed. Nobody would have ever known what the camera in the replay booth showed and there would be no controversy. The ruling on the field that the game clock had run out during the first Hail Mary would have stood and Western Michigan would have the victory.

The NFL has a protocol that says even if replay shows the play ended with one second still on the clock, they do not put time back on the clock. If it's that close, the call on the field stands and the game is declared over. If there isn't at least a two second error, the play stands as called on the field.
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