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Of course I remember, Pinko.
This is the lie...sorry, fabrication... I'm talking about, so obviously I remember.
I've argued all along that Shelley immediately ran from the steps and met Gloria coming the other way. He states this in his affidavit. (People such as yourself have to ignore the fact that, during his WC testimony, Shelley completely changes his story, stating that he stayed on the steps for at least 3 minutes before Gloria ran up).
The 'fabrication' I have to keep calling you out on is the part where Shelley calls Lovelady to join him. You've invented that. It's your fabrication. It is not based on any testimonial evidence whatsoever. It's a lie you have to tell because you can't find any other way of getting Lovelady and Shelley on to the Elm Street Ext. within 25 seconds.
You have swallowed down Kamp's 'Lovelady' image without question even though it has been demonstrated that this image is dubious, to say the least, and now it's been pointed out that it's physically impossible for Shelley and Lovelady to do what they attested to in their WC testimonies AND be on Elm St within 25 seconds, you've had to invent this lie. If it's any comfort, Lance "I think I've Had An Accident" Payette did exactly the same thing.

On the other hand, my own identification of Lovelady in Darnell does not require me to lie my way through an explanation and makes perfect sense with the known timings:



   DAN - Excellent work above. As always.
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So many researchers have swallowed down the 'sharpened' image supposedly identifying Shelley and Lovelady on the Elm Street Extension approximately 20-25 seconds after the shooting.
What these researchers reach for is the WC testimonies of these men in which they state they wandered along the extension after the shooting.
However, what these same researchers are willing to ignore in the same testimonies boggles the mind:

Both men state they remained on the steps after the shooting until Gloria Calvery came up to the steps.
Both men testified that it was at least 3 minutes until Gloria came running up.
Both men testified that they only left the steps after listening to Gloria talk about the shooting.
Both men testified that they then moved out to the "little old island" after interacting with Gloria.
Both men testified that it was AFTER they left the steps that they turned around and saw Truly and Baker still outside the building.

The WC testimony of both men is a tissue of easily disprovable lies. Lies disproven by the Darnell/Couch footage. Disproven by the Truly/Baker time trials. Disproven by the testimony of Victoria Adams who saw both men on the first floor approximately 60 seconds after the shooting. Disproven by their own same-day affidavits, which make no mention of this fictitious trip along the extension.
Below is a still from the Darnell footage taken approximately 20 seconds after the shooting. This is the same moment the "fake" Shelley and Lovelady are walking along the extension. It shows the moment Gloria reaches the steps and is telling everyone about the shooting. Lovelady is directly in front of her listening to what she is saying. Shelley is near the bottom of the steps after returning from the "little old island" where he met Gloria running the other way.



It is physically impossible for Shelley and Lovelady to be walking along the extension in the Darnell/Couch footage if they have to wait for Gloria to arrive.

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My first reaction before reading the in depth analysis is that tracking is the preferred method. The reason I say that is because aiming at a fixed point and firing as the target crosses that fixed point is going to encourage pulling the trigger rather than a steady squeeze of the trigger. I was taught not to force the gun to fire but squeeze and let it fire when the proper trigger pressure is reached. Pulling the trigger tends to cause a shot low and to the right for a right handed shooter.

I'm sure there are highly skilled shooters who can use the other methods, but for most shooters, tracking the target while putting a slow squeeze on the trigger is going to produce the best results.


The answer to the first question tends to agree with your idea. However, AI asks for more specific information several times and when given enough information the answers change accordingly. That’s part of what makes the lengthy dialogue interesting.
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Au contraire, Mr. Completely Insane Huge Gates Getaway Car Bogus Imposter Haygood Guy, I "peeped" repeatedly. Once the thread reached the 57th time of Blustering Buffoon calling everyone else stupid, pinko, jerkoff, etc., etc., I think most sane people bowed out. I said on another thread that conspiracy theorizing makes strange bedfellows, but you and Blustering Buffoon really do deserve each other. Blustering Buffoon's contributions to this thread never advanced beyond "I know nothing about photographic enhancement, but I don't see how Bart could have done this and I don't think he did" - making my "peeps" rather relevant, it seems to me. These were all after you claimed "And Not a single peep in response! None!" - oh, the shame, Mr. Completely Insane Huge Gates Getaway Car Bogus Imposter Haygood Guy.

I bumped the last one at least twice more.

I "peeped" repeatedly.


This is a lie.
Not once have you made the slightest attempt to answer the questions raised in this thread.
But here's your big chance.
In front of the forum.
And don't bother with your usual disappearing routine.
Answer, or attempt to answer, these two very simple questions:

How did Bart Kamp come up with the extraordinarily detailed picture of 'Lovelady' from a degraded image?
Why can't this detail be recreated from a far superior image?

Rather than your constant lies and bluster, why not actually do what you constantly claim to do.
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This pic is from five years ago when I visited Dealey Plaza. Not the best vantage point to watch the parade.



   Thanks for posting this pic. The landing is now deeper than it was on 11/22/63, but your photo is still clear with respect to Not seeing down Elm St when standing on the landing. I have seen other pics taken from inside the lobby which also make this LOS clear. Thanks again for picking up the ball for Mr Doyle. 
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Now you're just making sxxt up. There is no need to read between the lines. The WC said what they meant and they meant what they said. The could not determine which of Oswald's three shots were the missed shot. They gave pros and cons for each scenario without showing favoritism to any. They adopted the FBI approach which was that if they could not determine something conclusively, they would not speculate on probabilities.


I can assure you that I didn’t make Connally hold a press conference and make a statement saying he disagreed with the WC over whether he was hit in the back on the second shot. I didn’t make him think that the WC found that he was hit in the back on the first shot.  It wasn’t until the HSCA that anyone seriously proposed that the first shot missed.
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As Mr Rice shows above, the west wall of the portal blocked Prayer Man's view of the limousine at the exact same time Stanton said she could not see the limo during the shots...

I also entered a long list of other evidence that has gone ignored...
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This pic is from five years ago when I visited Dealey Plaza. Not the best vantage point to watch the parade.

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My first reaction before reading the in depth analysis is that tracking is the preferred method. The reason I say that is because aiming at a fixed point and firing as the target crosses that fixed point is going to encourage pulling the trigger rather than a steady squeeze of the trigger. I was taught not to force the gun to fire but squeeze and let it fire when the proper trigger pressure is reached. Pulling the trigger tends to cause a shot low and to the right for a right handed shooter.

I'm sure there are highly skilled shooters who can use the other methods, but for most shooters, tracking the target while putting a slow squeeze on the trigger is going to produce the best results.
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They read the report and read between the lines. They also understood that the WC members all thought the first shot struck JFK.

Now you're just making sxxt up. There is no need to read between the lines. The WC said what they meant and they meant what they said. The could not determine which of Oswald's three shots were the missed shot. They gave pros and cons for each scenario without showing favoritism to any. They adopted the FBI approach which was that if they could not determine something conclusively, they would not speculate on probabilities.

The CTs created the myth that the WC favored a second shot miss because that was the easiest one to attack. It was the one that made Oswald's shooting feat the most difficult. Josiah Thompson may have been largely responsible for creating the myth with his book title Six Seconds in Dallas. That was probably largely responsible for cementing the myth in the minds of the public that Oswald fired 3 shots in under 6 seconds. The CTs jumped on board by pointing out how improbable it would be for Oswald to score 2 hits with 3 shots in under 6 seconds which it was. Even some LNs got duped into believing the 6 second myth. It's understandable how the average person could have been taken in by the myth but it was inexcusable for a journalist the stature of Walter Cronkite to make such a fundamental mistake. All he would have had to do was read the conclusion paragraph in the chapter on the shots to know the WC never concluded which shot missed, how long Oswald took to fire his 3 shots, or when the first shot was fired. The WC reached no conclusion on those points and said so clearly.

I'm not sure when the Z-film became widely available to the public but I'm guessing it coincided with the internet becoming widely available to the public, some time in the late 1980s. The film had aired on TV several times but unless people recorded the program, they wouldn't have had the capability of reviewing it over and over again. Once the internet made multiple viewings possible as well as enhancements to the film, people started to figure out just what happened. It wasn't long after that a consensus started to build among the LNs that it was the first shot that missed. With millions of eyeballs able to look at the film over and over, in slow motion, freeze frame, and enlargements that people began to pick up on clues the WC had missed. They were able to see the bulge in JBC's jacket at Z224. They could see that JFK's arms did not start to be raised until one frame after he reappeared from behind the sign. They could see JBC's earlier reaction when he began to turn to his right in reaction to the first shot miss. While LNs might quibble about exactly when the first and second shots were fired, most LNs now believe the scenario was a first shot miss, the single bullet on the second shot, and the fatal third shot to the head. When you accept that, all the pieces fall neatly together. When you reject that, nothing fits together and one is forced to make ridiculous arguments to try to make their pet theory seem plausible. Unfortunately for them, that can't be done.
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