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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Former James Fetzer supporters.
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 05:31:24 PM »
there’s that “they” again, Albert.  identify “them” for us, would you please?  and don’t hold back.  no, wait……..


Fetzer and Drago led to the end of DPF members being protected by the rules and reduced the forum to a certain clique who didn't honestly recognize evidence...

DPF is pretending it didn't ruin the forum...
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Education Forum Goes Off the Rails
« Last post by Brian Doyle on Yesterday at 05:28:08 PM »
BD--

"You are saying Jim opposed the Prayer Man theory when he confronted you?"--BD

No, quite the opposite. He loved PM as LHO.


Yep...And that was probably after he admitted to me that I had proven Prayer Man was too husky to be Oswald...Jim had seen my posting of Sarah Stanton's family photo showing her obesity and realized I was right...He responded on Facebook "To be honest with you when I first saw the image of the person being called Oswald I thought they were too husky to be Oswald"...

This dishonesty was achieved by James Gordon when he came in to The Education Forum thread and banned the three posters who challenged the clique on their Prayer Man claims...Graves, Gilbride, and myself...Gordon later came in and threatened the membership saying he would moderate any way he desired...In other words he knew he did something wrong...

If you have followed JFK research long enough you will realize Jim D is a shameless click hunter who manipulates the popular opinion of the clique in order to boost his research venues...That explains why, after all that has occurred with Prayer Man, that Jim would be on Osanic solidifying the clique and polishing the Kamp Prayer Man **** - despite all the evidence against and and his own admission it was bogus...That's how Jim rolls and the JFK internet serves this hypocrisy...The EF and DPF use Jim D as their research barometer and Jim runs with it...Knowing they are guilty of this they have completely isolated and censored the Prayer Man topic and guard it with unfair banning...You'll never see Zartman or Iler call Jim on this and make him answer for its damaging effect on JFK research...


It has been a few years, but as I recall I said what I always say, which is no one saw LHO as shots rang out. He was invisible.

You have an eyewitness (Howard Brennan) who saw a a white guy in the TSBD6 sniper window firing in the direction of the limo (or at least a light-skinned individual), and Amos Euins saw a figure in the TSBD6 firing, again towards the limo. I have little doubt someone fired in the direction of the limo from TSBD6 on 11.22, and I strongly suspect it was LHO.


I fully subscribe to Armstrong...Harvey was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room while Lee was upstairs setting him up...Harvey's virgin negative paraffin test shows he never fired a rifle...Many witnesses saw two men in the 6th Floor window...


LHO ran down the back stairs before those other TSBD employees got onto the stairs.


Simply not possible...Mrs Garner said Adams & Styles bolted before the limousine reached the Triple Underpass...At that timing the girls were out ahead of Oswald who theoretically had a much longer route and had to stash the rifle...What happened with Adams is they bolted on adrenaline and had gravity to help them downward on the stairs...They were way ahead of Oswald's theoretical path and it was actually Mrs Garner who was positioned at the 4th Floor landing 20 seconds before Oswald would have arrived there...The bizarre coincidence with this is Truly & Baker may have run in to Lee on the 3rd Floor landing immediately after confronting Harvey in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room...


JD said the Prayer Man researcher had nailed down were all TSBD employees were, so the Prayer Man was LHO, or something close to that. I think PM looks like a chubby woman.

 
8 years ago I discovered the research find of our generation and to this day Jim D has never once mentioned it or shown any interest in it...DiEugenio complimented Gordon for banning me and said "It was the right thing to do" because I was only there to troll him and Gordon accepted the praise...The cowardly forum members said nothing...Like I said, The Education Forum isn't really interested in the evidence or solving the case...Jim D specializes in extensive scrutiny of research methods and harsh criticism...His trick is he suddenly shifts to the opposite and plays dumb on matters he's trying to promote and hopes you don't notice he is with-holding his normal skill from the Prayer Man subject...If Jim were to honestly apply that skill he would find that Murphy, or whoever listed where the employees were, had cherry-picked badly and avoided the stronger evidence that proved Oswald was not on the front steps...When you point-out that Frazier firmly identified Prayer Man as Stanton they ignore it...This is what the clique is for and Jim exploits it to the max...Andrew Iler is a liar when he boasts that the forum is there to promote the best evidence and promote the best opposing arguments...It is just the opposite and the forum has shamefully censored and suppressed the counter evidence on Prayer Man while it practices coddling favoritism towards the crank researcher Bart Kamp and bans all those who can disprove him...


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Andrew continues to be led astray by what witnesses think they remember.

Claiming there were three shots because of the earwitnesses makes you different in what way? Even your premier go to witness JBC stated he only heard two shots.
His recollection of the days events are the product of him watching the Zapruder film in the hospital. So much for his memory and testimony.
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Looks like you did.
We know that how, exactly? Let’s look at the evidence:
Wearing your CT hat today, John?

Fauci's own diary contradicts what he was saying publicly. And don't tell me that was an invasion of his privacy. When he put it on a government server, he forfeited his claim to privacy. it became a matter of public record.

Fauci was the highest paid public employee in the history of the US and is and was a total piece of sh*t.
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I am not sure who resurrected this zombie thread or why but I'd like to thank them. It has been quite entertaining.
Looks like you did.

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I love reading the old posts attacking critics of Fauci and the CDC in the early days of the pandemic. We were told to trust the science and we now know the scientists were lying their a**es off to us. The virus was from a lab leak in Wuhan.
We know that how, exactly? Let’s look at the evidence:

Quote from: Google AI

The origin of SARS-CoV-2 remains a subject of ongoing scientific and intelligence investigation, with two primary hypotheses: a natural zoonotic spillover from animals or an accidental laboratory-associated incident. Most peer-reviewed genomic and epidemiological analyses point toward a natural wildlife origin, while government inquiries note the plausibility of a research-related spillover given the regional context of coronavirus studies.

Natural Zoonotic Origin Hypothesis:
This theory proposes that the virus evolved in wildlife—likely originating in bats—and jumped to humans, potentially via an intermediate host animal.

Geographical and Genetic Clustering: Early human cases in December 2019 spatially clustered tightly around the Huanan Seafood Wholesale Market in Wuhan, China.

Environmental Sampling: Environmental swabs taken from the market—specifically from cages, drains, and carts associated with the live wildlife trade—tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 RNA.

Genomic Diversity: Analyses published in Science indicated that multiple early viral lineages (Lineage A and B) were present at the market, mirroring patterns seen in past zoonotic outbreaks like SARS-CoV-1.

Evolutionary Precedent: Close genetic relatives of the virus class (sarbecoviruses) circulate widely in horseshoe bats across Southeast Asia.

Laboratory-Associated Origin Hypothesis.
This theory proposes that the pandemic started due to a mishap, such as a field collection leak or infection of a worker during the handling or study of a natural virus at a research facility in Wuhan.

Proximity to Research:. Wuhan is home to the Wuhan Institute of Virology, a major center for coronavirus surveillance and research.Retrospective Illness Reports: Intelligence and congressional reports noted unverified or retrospective accounts of researchers falling ill with respiratory symptoms in the fall of 2019.

Gain-of-Function Context:. Proponents of this view point out that researchers in the region previously collaborated on collecting and studying high-risk bat coronaviruses, raising questions about pre-pandemic biosafety conditions.
Counter-Evidence & Analysis: Most scientific evaluations state there is no proof of deliberate genetic engineering or creation as a bioweapon. Furthermore, the intact presence of the furin cleavage site in early patient samples argues against standard laboratory cell-culture adaptation, which typically causes mutations or deletions in that specific site.
Quote from: John Corbett
Almost everything Fauci was telling us publicly was the opposite of what he knew to be true.
Wearing your CT hat today, John?
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Aeroplane  :)

I see. thanks for the heads up.

I agree that the unenhanced Costella frames aren't very clear but they do have value. There are sources that show enhanced frames. One of the best is David Von Pein's website which contains a wide variety of material. One of the best is his examination of the Single Bullet Theory. He presents enlarged and stabilized Zapruder frames at the critical time when the single bullet struck. You might as well know that David, like me, believes that Oswald acted alone, but you can decide for yourself how valid his evidence and beliefs are. As I told you initially, don't accept anybody's arguments at face value. Verify the validity of their arguments and evidence before rendering a judgement.
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Hand waved away by a *know-it-all* that can only respond with insults.

Yes, exactly. He pretends to be a know-it-all but he actually knows very little and has repeatedly embarrassed himself with stunning gaffes.

For example, a few weeks ago Corbett started a thread aimed at my quoting of Dr. Vincent DiMaio on the established forensic fact that FMJ bullets will never shatter into dozens of tiny fragments when striking skull bone and that FMJ bullets are ruled out when x-rays show dozens of tiny fragments. Incredibly, Corbett said DiMaio was talking about FMJ handgun bullets and not FMJ rifle bullets, even though DiMaio specified twice in the quote that he was talking about FMJ rifle bullets.

Sometimes it literally seems like Corbett can't understand English. You just have to wonder how in the world he could have missed the fact that DiMaio specified, twice, that he was talking about FMJ rifle bullets. I had presented that quote to Corbett at least six times, and then he started a thread about my use of the quote and proceeded to make the hilarious blunder of claiming that DiMaio wasn't talking about FMJ rifle bullets but rather FMJ handgun bullets and that therefore I was misrepresenting DiMaio!

Corbett's responses in this thread are just more examples of his usual pitiful, uninformed, and dogmatic blundering and posturing. In his uneducated mind, the SBT is still the only plausible explanation for JFK and Connally's non-fatal wounds, yet our exchanges on the powerful evidence that refutes the SBT prove he has no rational, credible explanation for that evidence.

In his uneducated mind, the WC's comical theory that a fragment from the head shot caused Tague's wounding is "plausible," but then he turns around and hedges his bets by saying, gee, we don't really know what caused Tague's wound. Well, uh, yeah we do: a projectile from a bullet or propelled by a bullet cut Tague's face.

He responds with abject nonsense and evasion when asked to explain the fact that the closest projectile he can offer to explain Tague's wounding have would have come from a bullet (1) that was over 200 feet away, (2) had just finished plowing through a human skull, and (3) would have exited from the righthand side of the skull (whereas Tague was to the left of the limo), not to mention the fact that this fragment would have then had to clear both the limo's windshield and roll bar and then magically dive downward and leftward like a guided missile while somehow, someway, in defiance of the laws of physics, still retaining enough velocity to do the required damage.

And, one wonders who this alleged lone headshot bullet have produced a fragment large enough and with enough velocity to gouge the curb and/or cut Tague's face over 200 feet away, when this same bullet would have had to leave a 6.3 x 2.5 mm fragment in the rear outer table of the skull, leave several tiny fragments near the 6.3 x 2.5 mm fragment (including the McDonnel fragment), leave a 3 x 1 mm fragment and a 7 x 2 mm fragment just above the right orbit at the opposite end of the skull, leave all the fragments contained in the high fragment trail, and also leave two large fragments inside the limo near the driver's seat.

I mean, yikes, even Gerald Posner and Jim Moore don't buy the WC's ridiculous theory.

There's another problem: the sample smears taken from the Tague curb scar contained no copper. Uh oh, that's a big problem, because Oswald's alleged ammo was copper-jacketed FMJ ammo. This is why Posner floats the unscientific fairy tale that when Oswald allegedly fired his first shot from the sixth-floor window, the bullet hit a branch of the oak tree on Elm Street, that this collision supposedly caused the copper jacket to separate from its lead core. Then, so Posner's tale goes, this lead core split into two large fragments, with one fragment flying downward and striking the pavement behind the limo and with the other fragment streaking in a straight line over 400 feet to hit the curb near Tague, somehow weaving through the rest of the tree limbs before continuing its mythical journey to the curb.

Anyone who has done any reading on the behavior of FMJ bullets knows that an FMJ bullet is not going to shed its copper jacket from its lead core merely from hitting an oak limb. That's just not going to happen. FMJ bullets will penetrate 2 to 7 inches into oak wood when fired from less than 200 feet away. If the bullet hits an edge of the limb, it will remove a chip from the edge and continue on its journey with no more than moderate deformation. Such collisions will certainly not cause the jacket to separate from the core.

It is comical that Posner would even propose such a theory and then turn around and defend the SBT, which says that an FMJ bullet ripped through seven layers of skin, smashed 4 inches of rib bone, and shattered a distal radius bone, yet emerged with its jacket and lead core still firmly attached, with minimal deformation, and even with its lands and grooves intact.





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Humm, seems like someone has forgotten about the debunked conspiracy theories that leading Democrats floated, e.g., the gigantic Trump-Russia collusion hoax, the claim that Russians helped Trump steal the 2016 election, the claim that Republicans stole the 2018 Georgia election for governor, and the claim that Republicans stole the 2004 election from John Kerry by manipulating voting machines.

And let's not forget the more recent crazy conspiracy claims floated by Democrats, such as the claim that Trump orchestrated the January 6, 2021 riot, that there would be no more elections if Trump won in 2024, that Republicans are trying to keep women from voting, etc., etc.

The one that stands out to me most is the 2004 election. For those who don't remember, it came down to Ohio just as the 2000 election came down to Florida, although it wasn't nearly as close. The claim was made that the voting machines had been rigged to steal votes for Bush. At the time, I was a poll worker and I knew how ludicrous that was. By law, each polling place is required to have two Democrats and two Republicans working. If there aren't two workers from each party available, an independent can be plugged in to work that slot. In our rural precinct, Republicans outnumbered Democrats by a 9 to 2 margin, so I was allowed to take one of the Democrat positions at our polling place. I learned a lot about how the process worked.

For starters, every county has its own method of voting, so a statewide manipulation of the vote is impossible. Our county used push button electronic machines. At the time, Columbus where I lived and worked for over 30 years still used the old mechanical voting machines, some of which were literally over 100 years old. Other counties used paper ballots and others used punch cards. Every county board was required to consist of two Democrats and two Republicans and jointly they would work together to ensure the integrity of the process. To claim the voting process was rigged to favor Bush was to accuse the Democrat county board members of being asleep at the switch. For example, the push button voting machines our county used were nothing more than generic counters with a slot assigned to each candidate or ballot issue. By Ohio law, the position each candidate appears on the ballot or machine has to be rotated so each candidate appears an equal number of times in each position. If there were five candidates for President, both the major and minor party candidates had to be placed an even number times in each of the five slots. A template was placed over each machine to indicate to the voter which candidate each slot was assigned to. The bi-partisan county boards worked together to set up and test the machines to ensure they were accurately recording the votes. It would require collusion among the board members to rig any voting machine to fraudulently record votes to favor one candidate or another. That is why i scoffed at allegations the election in Ohio was stolen for Bush. He won the state by about 120,000 votes. It is not remotely possible that the Republicans could have stolen that many votes for Bush.

Likewise, I am equally skeptical of Republicans who claim the Diebold voting machines were rigged to steal that state for Biden. Diebold is the same company that made the voting machines we used in Ohio. They were probably different models of machines than we had in 2004, but I assume Georgia had the same sort of safeguards we had in Ohio to ensure election integrity.

It is hardly a new phenomenon for the losing side in a close election to claim the other side cheated and stole the election. There are still Republicans to this day who think Dick Daley stole the 1960 election for JFK. While stories about vote stealing in Cook County, IL are well known, it is also true the Republicans in Lake County which comprises the northern Chicago suburbs engaged in the same sort of practices. Because Cook County was so much larger than Lake County, Democrats were just able to cheat on a larger scale than the Republicans. The truth is that even if Nixon had carried Illinois, he would have still lost the electoral college. The election hinged on three large states that were not declared until the wee hours of the following morning, Illinois, Texas, and Missouri. Nixon had to win all three to win the election. He didn't win any of them.
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Aeroplane  :)

I see. thanks for the heads up.
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hey this might help newbie Matt here achieve his “Z nirvana” film print.
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