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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK's Throat Wound Was an Entrance Wound: Refuting the Shored-Wound Theory
« Last post by John Mytton on Yesterday at 02:36:37 AM »
Wow, at least, Varnell understood the evidence of no bullets or bullet fragments inside of JFK's torso and made up the loony "ice bullet" theory.

Mr. SPECTER - Did you search the body to determine if there was any bullet inside the body?
Commander HUMES - Before the arrival of Colonel Finck we had made X-rays of the head, neck and torso of the President, and the upper portions of his major extremities, or both his upper and lower extremities. At Colonel Finck's suggestion, we then completed the X-ray examination by X-raying the President's body in toto, and those X-rays are available.
Mr. SPECTER - What did those X-rays disclose with respect to the possible presence of a missile in the President's body?
Commander HUMES - They showed no evidence of a missile in the President's body at any point. And these were examined by ourselves and by the radiologist, who assisted us in this endeavor.
Mr. SPECTER - What conclusion, if any, did you reach as to whether point "D" on 385 was the point of entrance or exit?
Commander HUMES - We concluded that this missile depicted in 385 "C" which entered the President's body traversed the President's body and made its exit through the wound observed by the physicians at Parkland Hospital and later extended as a tracheotomy wound. 



BTW, how many times do you people need to be told that when you are trying to set up a lone patsy who was high and behind, that a sniper in the front would NEVER have been considered, it's totally absurd!

JohnM
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Did G-2 Encourage LHO to Perp the JFKA?
« Last post by John Corbett on Yesterday at 02:36:35 AM »
It's easy to conjure up reasons any number of entities would have wanted JFK killed. What nobody has been able to conjure up is any real evidence any of them conspired with Oswald to do the deed.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: When Was JFK Hit?
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 02:30:09 AM »
I see Jackie turning her head quickly to look at JFK at that Z190 frame and that’s JFK with hand fully up and his head turned sharply. It’s this point where Harold Norman describes as hearing the shot WHEN he saw JFKs hand up so IDK for sure if he’s just been hit there. You would think some % of momentum transfer of the bullet would cause some instantaneous movement forward from Z190-Z207 but I’m really not seeing anything to indicate that. I think Andrew suggested because it’s such a short path thru the neck and throat of JFK and no bone struck that the bullet was in and out so quickly that there was no momentum transfer enough to move the mass of the body. Don’t know for certain because nobody’s done a really good experiment with total body replicas including the arms and legs and hands.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK's Throat Wound Was an Entrance Wound: Refuting the Shored-Wound Theory
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 02:09:06 AM »
Quote from: Lance Payette on Yesterday at 12:13:04 AM
Of course, then we have the minor problems of where the bullet from the throat wound went, where the bullet from the back wound went, and the "rather" unusually close alignment of the back and throat wounds - so close that one bullet causing both wounds is by far the accepted theory. Hence Cliff Varnell's reliance on melting CIA-issued ice bullets, which frankly strikes most people as "just a bit" unlikely. Even a dud back wound that only penetrated an inch with a melting CIA ice bullet from the front seems "rather" unlikely - and what the hell would be the point of using a melting ice bullet from the front if it wasn't going to disguise a frontal shot anyway? I believe there are legitimate issues with the SBT, but to still try to be arguing that the throat would is an entrance is far-lunatic-fringe stuff.

Is it just me, or does MTG seem to be in near-desperation mode, flooding the forum with his nonsense? He is the very antithesis of my point that CTers who wish to be taken seriously should focus on plausibility, in terms of both evidence and theory, instead of shoveling loads of far-fetched and internally inconsistent poop and hoping some of it sticks. For all of his relentless self-promotion over umpteen years, MTG seems to have scarcely made a dent in the JFKA community; he strikes me as the proverbial legend in his own mind.The

Are you questioning Aragorn? Do you see that sword in his hand? It was reforged from the shards of CT lore 40 years ago and it has returned to reclaim the glory of the days of Mark Lane.  :)
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Did G-2 Encourage LHO to Perp the JFKA?
« Last post by Benjamin Cole on Yesterday at 02:08:15 AM »
I got Internet Archives to perform some functions...





So, herein Russo explains that LHO may have been in contact with Cuban intel even before going to MC.

Russo explains in his book that Washington and the WC were extremely loath to follow any leads back to Havana.

I will stand by my statement that leads connecting LHO to Havana, G2, DGI or other Cuban intel assets were not followed. That Russo also makes that case adds to my comfort in making this statement. 

As for it being "rational" or not that Castro and Cuba, or Cuba assets would perp the JFKA---history is replete with wildly irrational acts, by men large and small.

Why did Puerto Rican nationalists attempt to assassinate President Truman? Would such an assassination do anything but backfire?

Why did Putin invade Ukraine, which turned into a quagmire-bear-trap 100 times worse than Vietnam, and from which he cannot now exit?

Remember the intense ideologies and nationalism of the 1950s and 1960s. Think of Islam terrorists today. Are they rational? Would they perp the 9/11 catastrophe? Why would Islamo-fascists murder 3,000 Americans on 9/11?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 01:44:42 AM »
Quote from: Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 01:28:23 AM
So, both men are shot, then wait 1.5 seconds before they both undergo radically extreme, and intensely quick reactions.
Trying not to be disrespectful Zeon, but where are you getting the notion from that it would take such an amazingly long time before BOTH men start reacting?
It takes JFK's left arm ONE THIRD OF A SECOND to go from resting at his side to extended upwards. It is an insanely quick reaction. Why would he wait almost FIVE TIMES that length of time before reacting?
JFK's reaction shows clear signs of a neuromuscular effect, we are talking small fractions of a second for these kinds of reflexive reactions. One and a half seconds in this context is an eternity.

The Z313 shot there is about 1/2 sec delay for the head snap back and to the left. But I’m not sure about when a bullet goes thru the neck and throat or only into a  thigh if they would react as quickly. Don’t get worried Im going lunatic, I’m
Just playing devils advocate here  ;D
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK's Throat Wound Was an Entrance Wound: Refuting the Shored-Wound Theory
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 01:36:48 AM »
Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 01:22:33 AM
Once again you show the shallow, one-sided nature of your research. And, of course, you obviously didn't bother to read the research notes I linked in my OP, which explain that the Dallas doctors deduced from the damage behind the wound that the bullet had ranged downward into the chest. Here's the link again for your convenience.

“Research Notes on the Shored-Wound Theory to Explain JFK’s Throat Wound,” https://drive.google.com/file/d/1h48FpT89KrC0rNrl4XC3MDePLDFEBBHb/view.

And I'm by no means the first researcher to point out that the Dallas doctors saw indications that the bullet that hit the throat ranged downward into the chest. Sylvia Meagher made this point way back in 1967 in her book Accessories After the Fact. Many other scholars have also discussed this evidence.

But, obviously, this is all news to you. This shows you haven't read any of the best-selling scholarly books that posit a conspiracy in the JFK shooting.

which explain that the Dallas doctors deduced from the damage behind the wound that the bullet had ranged downward into the chest

Where would a shot that entered JFK's neck and travelled downward into his chest have come from?
What location, other than a helicopter, would allow such a shot?
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: When Was JBC Hit?
« Last post by Dan O'meara on Yesterday at 01:28:23 AM »
Quote from: Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 12:58:58 AM
It might  to be a 1.5 sec delayed response to having been hit in the thigh by the Z190 bullet.
It’s the same with JFK. He’s reacting 1.5 secs after being struck by the Z190 bullet.

So the 2 simultaneous movements of both men are 1.5 sec delayed reactions to the Z190
1st shot bullet.

That’s my 2 cents alternative explanation  for the painful expression because I’m not convinced either that the expression on JC’s face is merely fear / concern or whatever. It’s looks like a painful expression to me.

The Z224 SBT scenario is a bullet going thru JFKs back and throat and thru JC’s chest and thru his right hand and into his thigh. A nice all in one kind of solution that only requires JC to be sitting in a really weird uncomfortable position with his buttocks half way off the jump seat while he holds  his hat upside down over the outside of his left leg. And the bullet is supposed to be CE 399 that’s only slightly deformed and the nose remained perfectly undamaged.

So revisiting the A.Mason Z190 1st shot theory once more is not really any more crazy than  the standard SBT

Therefore, at Z224 , Could JC’s expression be a 1.5 second delayed response to
only a thigh wound from the Z190 bullet?

So, both men are shot, then wait 1.5 seconds before they both undergo radically extreme, and intensely quick reactions.
Trying not to be disrespectful Zeon, but where are you getting the notion from that it would take such an amazingly long time before BOTH men start reacting?
It takes JFK's left arm ONE THIRD OF A SECOND to go from resting at his side to extended upwards. It is an insanely quick reaction. Why would he wait almost FIVE TIMES that length of time before reacting?
JFK's reaction shows clear signs of a neuromuscular effect, we are talking small fractions of a second for these kinds of reflexive reactions. One and a half seconds in this context is an eternity.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: Reasonable Doubts?
« Last post by Zeon Mason on Yesterday at 01:25:34 AM »
The nose of CE 399 bullet was not even scratched. The nose remained perfectly round , no deformation whatsoever. It’s a miracle bullet it seems. Especially where it was found( was it the limo, or the stretcher, or did fell out on the floor?)and later changed its appearance from pointed to ball nosed.

The imaginative solution for the nose not being even scratched is because it was spinning end over end as it struck into John Connallys right hand wrist bone backwards!  (That way only some lead flakes get embedded in the hand  ::) then it continued to cut  thru the hand  apparently like a small circular saw would. And even doing that the nose of the bullet remained perfectly round without even a slight knick or dent. ???

So I’m reasonably in doubt about the SBT too.
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JFK Assassination Plus General Discussion And Debate / Re: JFK's Throat Wound Was an Entrance Wound: Refuting the Shored-Wound Theory
« Last post by Michael T. Griffith on Yesterday at 01:22:33 AM »
Quote from: Lance Payette on Yesterday at 12:13:04 AM
Of course, then we have the minor problems of where the bullet from the throat wound went, where the bullet from the back wound went, and the "rather" unusually close alignment of the back and throat wounds - so close that one bullet causing both wounds is by far the accepted theory. Hence Cliff Varnell's reliance on melting CIA-issued ice bullets, which frankly strikes most people as "just a bit" unlikely. Even a dud back wound that only penetrated an inch with a melting CIA ice bullet from the front seems "rather" unlikely - and what the hell would be the point of using a melting ice bullet from the front if it wasn't going to disguise a frontal shot anyway? I believe there are legitimate issues with the SBT, but to still try to be arguing that the throat would is an entrance is far-lunatic-fringe stuff.

Is it just me, or does MTG seem to be in near-desperation mode, flooding the forum with his nonsense? He is the very antithesis of my point that CTers who wish to be taken seriously should focus on plausibility, in terms of both evidence and theory, instead of shoveling loads of far-fetched and internally inconsistent poop and hoping some of it sticks. For all of his relentless self-promotion over umpteen years, MTG seems to have scarcely made a dent in the JFKA community; he strikes me as the proverbial legend in his own mind.

Once again you show the shallow, one-sided nature of your research. And, of course, you obviously didn't bother to read the research notes I linked in my OP, which explain that the Dallas doctors deduced from the damage behind the wound that the bullet had ranged downward into the chest. Here's the link again for your convenience.

“Research Notes on the Shored-Wound Theory to Explain JFK’s Throat Wound,” https://drive.google.com/file/d/1h48FpT89KrC0rNrl4XC3MDePLDFEBBHb/view.

And I'm by no means the first researcher to point out that the Dallas doctors saw indications that the bullet that hit the throat ranged downward into the chest. Sylvia Meagher made this point way back in 1967 in her book Accessories After the Fact. Many other scholars have also discussed this evidence.

But, obviously, this is all news to you. This shows you haven't read any of the best-selling scholarly books that posit a conspiracy in the JFK shooting.
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