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I'm not very good at syncing photos and films so maybe somebody can help me out. I posted this picture in the thread arguing that Dr. Baden refuted the SBT:

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth1352810/m1/1/high_res/

I'm fairly certain that is the TSBD in the background which means it was taken seconds before the shooting started. One thing that caught my eye is the position of JFK's right hand. Harold Norman testified that he thought JFK was either brushing his hair or saluting the crowd just before he heard the first shot and that seems to fit with what we see from JFK in this photo. What really got me curious is the position of JBC's left hand which seems to be waving to the people on the north side of Elm St. I've tried to match this to a Zapruder frame but I can't make out any Z-frame in which it appears Connally has raised his left hand. This leads me to believe the photo might have been taken just before Zapruder resumed filming which would prevent it from being matched to a frame. I'm wondering if someone has enhanced frames from the Z-film from Z133 onward that would show JBC with his left hand raised. I think this is an important photo because of how close in time it seems to be to the start of the shooting.

   Do you or anyone else know who took the photo above? I looked through the "Photo Gallery" here and it is Not Betzner, Willis, either Towner, or Croft. Thanks
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I think we'd probably get a much better copy if we merge various sources (notably The Lost Bullet or something)

   The YOU TUBE source I gave you has better Z Film definition than, "The Lost Bullet" Zapruder Film. 
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Acoustic Evidence
« Last post by Steve M. Galbraith on September 18, 2026, 05:19:39 PM »
Isn't it amazing how often the official records differ sharply from what MTG claims?
It's why he doesn't link to them.

Notice that Curry insisted he heard three and only three shots? That alone undermines Griffith's theory of five/six shots. Could Curry have been wrong? Of course. It's why we have to take into account the totality of evidence, weigh it all, make a judgment, consider alternative explanations, and try to re-create what happened as best as we can.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Acoustic Evidence
« Last post by John Corbett on September 18, 2026, 05:15:42 PM »
Curry specifically testified that he didn't know where the reports/shots came from.

Mr. CURRY - I didn't do that, sir. That was one of my inspectors, I believe that gave that order. I was riding in the Presidential parade and approximately a hundred feet, I guess, ahead of the President's car, and when we heard this first report, I couldn't tell exactly where it was coming from.
Representative FORD - What report are you talking about now?
Mr. CURRY - A sharp report as a firecracker or as it was it was the report of this rifle.
We were just approaching an underpass, and there were some people around on each side of the underpass, up in the railroad yards, and I thought at first that perhaps this was a railroad torpedo, it was a sharp crack.
Mr. CURRY - I said what was that, was that a firecracker, or someone said this, I don't recall whether it was me or someone else, and from the report I couldn't tell whether it was coming from the railroad yard or whether it was coming from behind but I said over the radio, I said, "Get someone up in the railroad yard and check."
And then about this time, I believe it was motorcycle Officer Chaney rode up beside of me and looking back in the rear view mirror I could see some commotion in the President's car and after this there had been two more reports, but these other two reports I could tell were coming behind instead of from the railroad yards.
Mr. RANKIN - What do you mean by reports?
Mr. CURRY - Sharp reports as a rifle or a firecracker, and looking in the rear view mirror then I could see some commotion in President Kennedy's car.
Mr. RANKIN - You could distinctly hear and tell that the two later reports were from behind?
Mr. CURRY - Behind.
Mr. RANKIN - Rather than front?
Mr. CURRY - That is right.
Mr. RANKIN - You weren't sure whether the first one was from behind or in front?
Mr. CURRY - I couldn't tell because perhaps of the echo or the----

Curry's full testimony is here: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/curry1.htm

Isn't it amazing how often the official records differ sharply from what MTG claims?
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I think we'd probably get a much better copy if we merge various sources (notably The Lost Bullet or something)
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I haven't been on this forum very long but it's pretty clear pretty quickly why nobody wants to interact with you! And didn't you know? Bob Marley and WC attorney David Belin were good buddies in real life.


Thanks for proving my point...

There's questions to exactly how Marley died and why...Marley was also friends with the son of a CIA director who gave him a pair of boots...Talk about tone deaf to the point...

So I wonder how Marley would feel about a Warren Commission backer using his image...
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Acoustic Evidence
« Last post by Steve M. Galbraith on September 18, 2026, 05:01:21 PM »
One tactic of the CTs I've seen over the years on multiple forums is that when they want to declare something as a fact without evidence to support it, they claim it is "obvious".

As is your custom, you don't quote either Curry or Decker but instead give us your interpretation of what they actually said. Even your interpretation doesn't indicate Curry and Decker deployed their men to the same area. The underpass and the railroad yard are not the same place. Curry and Decker had nothing but sound to base their judgement of the where the shots came from and sound is a poor indicator of that, so yes Curry and Decker were guessing. They were educated guesses based on their impression of where they thought the sounds came from, but they were still guesses. None of their men found any indication of a shooter in either location.
Mr. Griffith is a hopeless cause. He simply makes things up, is caught doing so, then repeats the original claim in a different manner. He doesn't link to primary sources; he takes sources and then re-interprets what he thinks they say. It's endless. His entire conspiracy explanation is a mish mash of contradictory evidence and claims, of sources who are odds with one another, with evidence that actually counters his conspiracy theory.

Curry specifically testified that he didn't know where the reports/shots came from.

Mr. CURRY - I didn't do that, sir. That was one of my inspectors, I believe that gave that order. I was riding in the Presidential parade and approximately a hundred feet, I guess, ahead of the President's car, and when we heard this first report, I couldn't tell exactly where it was coming from.
Representative FORD - What report are you talking about now?
Mr. CURRY - A sharp report as a firecracker or as it was it was the report of this rifle.
We were just approaching an underpass, and there were some people around on each side of the underpass, up in the railroad yards, and I thought at first that perhaps this was a railroad torpedo, it was a sharp crack.
Mr. CURRY - I said what was that, was that a firecracker, or someone said this, I don't recall whether it was me or someone else, and from the report I couldn't tell whether it was coming from the railroad yard or whether it was coming from behind but I said over the radio, I said, "Get someone up in the railroad yard and check."
And then about this time, I believe it was motorcycle Officer Chaney rode up beside of me and looking back in the rear view mirror I could see some commotion in the President's car and after this there had been two more reports, but these other two reports I could tell were coming behind instead of from the railroad yards.
Mr. RANKIN - What do you mean by reports?
Mr. CURRY - Sharp reports as a rifle or a firecracker, and looking in the rear view mirror then I could see some commotion in President Kennedy's car.
Mr. RANKIN - You could distinctly hear and tell that the two later reports were from behind?
Mr. CURRY - Behind.
Mr. RANKIN - Rather than front?
Mr. CURRY - That is right.
Mr. RANKIN - You weren't sure whether the first one was from behind or in front?
Mr. CURRY - I couldn't tell because perhaps of the echo or the----

Curry's full testimony is here: https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/curry1.htm
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A.C Hickman - Sixth Floor Museum website
Abraham Zapruder - Image of an Assassination: A New Look at the Zapruder Film 1998 DVD (missing frames can be patched with JFK the lost bullet)
Andre Leche - gettyimages
Charles L. Bronson - Sixth Floor Museum website
Dallas Cinema Associates - god knows what
David Francis Powers - CNN old website on Archive.org (not the best quality but it's the only one i could find)
Elsie Dorman - Sixth Floor Museum website
F.M Bell - Sixth Floor Museum website
Frank Marotta - Sixth Floor Museum website
Fredna Stewart - Sixth Floor Museum website
George Jeffries - Sixth Floor Museum website
George Reid - Sixth Floor Museum website
Jack Jernigan - Sixth Floor Museum website
Jackie Tindel - Sixth Floor Museum website
John Haller - Sixth Floor Museum website
Keith Griffith - Sixth Floor Museum website
Marie Muchmore - ??
Orville Nix - Sixth Floor Museum website
Pat Sanders - Sixth Floor Museum website
Robert Hughes - Sixth Floor Museum website
Rudy and Vera Clauss - Sixth Floor Museum website
Tina Towner - Sixth Floor Museum website
Ward Warren - Sixth Floor Museum website

I think i missed some home movies but this is my list so far

   Regarding your Zapruder Film source, I have that DVD too. I have found a much better Zapruder Film Copy on "YOU TUBE". It is titled, "Zapruder Film JFK Assassination Best Quality HD 1080p"   by - windvale  (:28). The individual frames are Not numbered, but this is definitely the best Zapruder Film copy I have seen that is freely available to the public.  Between the sprocket holes, this Z Film copy shows SA Clint Hill atop the Limo trunk, looking back up Elm St as the Limo approaches/passes the Ft Worth sign. Jackie is back inside the Limo, so we are seeing SA Hill after the Altgens photo. Hill is intently looking back up Elm St to the point that his chest is facing Main St.   
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Acoustic Evidence
« Last post by John Corbett on September 18, 2026, 04:32:48 PM »
Wow, you just can't admit anything, can you? What area do you suppose Curry wanted to "see what happened there" by ordering to "get a man on top of that triple underpass"? What area do you think Curry wanted the officer to look at from the triple underpass to "see what happened there"? Huh? The freeway?! The TSBD?! Huh? The obvious answer to anyone with a functioning brain and some integrity is that Curry believed shots came from the area behind the grassy knoll and that he ordered that an officer get on top of the underpass to "see what happened there."

And that's the same area, the rail yard behind the knoll, that Sheriff Decker ordered to be sealed off "to determine just what and where it happened down there."

LOL! They were just "guessing"?! They ordered men deployed to check out the same area because they were just "guessing"?! Of course this is just pure silliness. A police chief and a sheriff are not going to deploy their men after shots have been fired at a presidential motorcade in which they themselves were riding based on just a guess. You'll never admit it, but it's obvious that Curry and Decker deployed their men to check out the same general area because they clearly believed that gunfire had come from that area.

One tactic of the CTs I've seen over the years on multiple forums is that when they want to declare something as a fact without evidence to support it, they claim it is "obvious".

As is your custom, you don't quote either Curry or Decker but instead give us your interpretation of what they actually said. Even your interpretation doesn't indicate Curry and Decker deployed their men to the same area. The underpass and the railroad yard are not the same place. Curry and Decker had nothing but sound to base their judgement of the where the shots came from and sound is a poor indicator of that, so yes Curry and Decker were guessing. They were educated guesses based on their impression of where they thought the sounds came from, but they were still guesses. None of their men found any indication of a shooter in either location.
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You can discover the most important discovery of our generation...

The JFK internet bullies and hijackers are not interested in it and will bully it off the board...

I wonder what Bob Marley would think of his image being used by a Warren Commission backer...

I haven't been on this forum very long but it's pretty clear pretty quickly why nobody wants to interact with you! And didn't you know? Bob Marley and WC attorney David Belin were good buddies in real life.
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