JFK Assassination Forum

That is simply an incorrect statement. There is evidence (shot pattern, Altgens, Hickey Nellie, Greer, etc). You just refuse to accept it. Do you really think the FBI went to the trouble building all these models without some evidence:





JFK was visible when he passed the lamp post.  You obviously have trouble recalling what I have posted many times:

JFK is obviously reacting before z225 because he is already in a contorted position. Look at his face and hands.
You are apparently not familiar with what he said he did in reaction to the first shot. What he did from z230-270 is generally consistent with what both he and Nellie he said he did after the first shot-he turned around to his right and uttered “oh, no, no” because he knew he had just heard a rifle shot and thought assassination was underway.  Jackie turns to look at him, as she said she did, when he starts shouting in the mid z240s.  Nellie said he uttered that before the second shot, which fits. JBC said it was as he was hit, although he said it might have been before he was hit (to the HSCA).
It just requires a slight deflection to the right on the bullet hitting the back.No. That is just what the evidence says happened.  You don’t have to accept it.

It is comical the mental gymnastics you are willing to go through to try and make your scenario seem plausible. It's not working. JBC's position at Z271 alone blows your theory out of the water. It is not remotely possible he could have shot JBC in the back at that point and have the bullet come out the right side of his torso. It would take a hell of a lot more than "a slight deflection to the right" for that to happen. It would require the most magical of all magic bullets. Just what would cause such a dramatic deflection? The bullet hit no bone until it exited from JBC's chest. If it was even possible for the bullet to enter JBC's back at Z271, it would be a tangential strike and the bullet would only graze him. It's unbelievable the things you have convinced yourself of to try and salvage your cockamamie theory. Give it up. You're embarrassing yourself.

1) Funny, I'm not a big fan of people who utter or write redundancies like "hypothetical imaginings."

2) Regardless, do you think it's absolutely impossible that the first shot was fired right before Zapruder resumed filming, i.e., when the limo was already about 70 feet down Elm Street?

3) The quick, nearly simultaneous non-startle head turnings of JFK, Jackie, Connally, Nellie, and Kellerman between Z-140 and Z-149 suggests that it actually did happen, and since it probably took them about a second to start to consciously turn their heads, it means that the shot (or firecracker, or blowout, or Harley backfire if you prefer) they heard was at or very near hypothetical (HYPOTHETICAL BECAUSE ZAPRUDER WASN'T FILMING AT THE TIME) "Z-124."

4) I'm afraid you have Abraham Zapruder and the lead group of motorcycle policemen to blame for your predicament, Robin, because if they hadn't been so doggone far ahead of the limo and/or if Zapruder hadn't turned his camera on when he saw them turning onto Elm Street, he wouldn't have had to stop filming when he realized that the limo wasn't right behind them . . . and then resume filming 17 seconds later when he finally saw the limo, already 70 feet down Elm Street, coming straight towards him.

Hypothetically straight towards him, anyway.

Imagine that!

3) The quick, nearly simultaneous non-startle head turnings of JFK, Jackie, Connally, Nellie, and Kellerman between Z-140 and Z-149 suggests that it actually did happen, and since it probably took them about a second to start to consciously turn their heads, it means that the shot (or firecracker, or blowout, or Harley backfire if you prefer) they heard was at or very near hypothetical (HYPOTHETICAL BECAUSE ZAPRUDER WASN'T FILMING AT THE TIME) "Z-124."

Tom you keep talking about a hypothetical Z-124 frame.

A hypothetical imagining of what actually happened on Elm St after Zapruder stopped filming prior to starting again at Z-133.

I am not a big fan of hypothetical imaginings.

1) Funny, I'm not a big fan of people who utter or write redundancies like "hypothetical imaginings."

2) Regardless, do you think it's absolutely impossible that the first shot was fired right before Zapruder resumed filming, i.e., when the limo was already about 70 feet down Elm Street?

3) The quick, nearly simultaneous non-startle head turnings of JFK, Jackie, Connally, Nellie, and Kellerman between Z-140 and Z-149 suggests that it actually did happen, and since it probably took them about a second to start to consciously turn their heads, it means that the shot (or firecracker, or blowout, or Harley backfire if you prefer) they heard was at or very near hypothetical (HYPOTHETICAL BECAUSE ZAPRUDER WASN'T FILMING AT THE TIME) "Z-124."

4) I'm afraid you have Abraham Zapruder and the lead group of motorcycle policemen to blame for your predicament, Robin, because if they hadn't been so doggone far ahead of the limo and/or if Zapruder hadn't turned his camera on when he saw them turning onto Elm Street, he wouldn't have had to stop filming when he realized that the limo wasn't right behind them . . . and then resume filming 17 seconds later when he finally saw the limo, already 70 feet down Elm Street, coming straight towards him.

Hypothetically straight towards him, anyway.

Imagine that!

My euphoria is unchecked.

That video is unavailable.

I wonder how a slug, or part of a slug, entered the rear-lower part of JFK's skull, the departed through the right upper side of JFK's skull, and then struck the curb at Tague's feet.  Given that Tague was on JFK's left, at a slightly lower elevation. This does not hold water.

So...WC version: One slug ended up in JBC's leg, CE-399. One slug hit JFK's skull, and this slug or fragments thereof are very unlikely to have split off and hit the curb by Tague.

So the Tague shot came from where? If from LHO, then he wildly missed the limo.

A non-jacketed slug would have most likely been fired by a handgun. The FBI found only lead in the bullet strike mark by Tague.

What would Carnac the Magnificent say?