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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by John Corbett on August 09, 2026, 11:53:24 PM »
Quote from: Andrew Mason on August 09, 2026, 07:25:56 PM
He says he heard a noise and immediately looked and at that exact time “saw a shot that hit”. He does not describe any time between the noise and seeing the shot. And he mentions a second shot striking the head. At best it is ambiguous. The real problem is that the WC did not examine him to clarify what he meant. Most described the last two being close, not the first two.

Why do you have so much trouble comprehending the simplest things. Bennett was not looking at JFK when he heard the first shot. I don't care how quickly he turned his head, it is not possible he could have turned quickly enough to see that shot hit JFK's right shoulder. He clearly is describing seeing the SECOND shot hit JFK's shoulder. If you can't figure that out, why do you waste your time and ours with your silly theories?

Have you ever asked yourself one simple question? With the millions of people who have studied the evidence from the JFKA the last six decades, do you really think you are the only one who has been able to figure out the right answer? I have never come across anyone who has reached anything close the scenario you have dreamed up.

You and Ben Cole should get together. You both think you have come up with the solution to the JFKA that has eluded everybody else and both are nuttier than a fruitcake.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: JFK's Throat Wound Was an Entrance Wound: Refuting the Shored-Wound Theory
« Last post by Tom Graves on August 09, 2026, 11:41:45 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on August 09, 2026, 11:29:24 PM
Why do people waste time pondering silly scenarios?

They can't help it.

When it comes to the anomaly-replete JFK assassination, their paranoiac anti-"Deep State" / anti-"National Security State" / anti-"Administrative State" psyches demand it.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: JFK's Throat Wound Was an Entrance Wound: Refuting the Shored-Wound Theory
« Last post by John Corbett on August 09, 2026, 11:29:24 PM »
Quote from: Zeon Mason on August 09, 2026, 10:50:51 PM
Royell Storing had suggested  a 2nd shooter on the roof top of the adjacent garage attached to the TSBD on the west side. It’s crazy but what if a gunman was there behind that sign stuck out above the big gates as Royell speculated?

Would that trajectory align better with the JFK back to throat wound angle? Or wound that be less probable than the TSBD trajectory line for a Z223 shot?

See I’m still having trouble aligning that 6th floor TSBD angle at Z223 with JFKs back and throat wound angle because although Myers computer model seems to show it works their experiment they did with actual firing thru the 2 Torso models , bullet excited BELOW the throat level.  ???

So I’m wondering if that 2nd story level location above the big gates is a better matching angle in the vertical plane. Or is the angle in the horizontal plane too far to the right of JFK to align in that plane?

Why do people waste time pondering silly scenarios?
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Toni Glover
« Last post by Tom Graves on August 09, 2026, 11:27:35 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on August 09, 2026, 10:20:47 PM
You obviously have Never watched "The Lost Bullet" (2011). In that National Geographic sponsored presentation, an adult Amos Euins stand directly next to the pedestal that Toni Glover and her Mom stood atop. Euins demonstrates how he hid behind that same pedestal immediately after witnessing shots being fired from the TSBD sniper's nest. This is NOT the same pedestal, behind Croft, or even close to the same area that you are referring to. That kid sitting on the other end of the wall, behind Croft, is Not Amos Euins.

Dear Stormtrooper Storing,

I've watched "The Lost Bullet" more times than I can shake a stick at.

It's now apparent that in it, Euins was either mistaken or lying to Max Holland as to where, exactly, he was right before Oswald fired his first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124," half-a-second before Zapruder resumed filming at Z-133.

We can see that Euins is sitting on the opposite pillar from Toni Glover's in the Zapruder and Bell films, and that Howard Brennan is sitting on the wall between them.

it's obvious that he had an excellent view of the Sniper's Nest window.

In Z-170 and Z-176, his head and light-colored jacket are visible directly above Robert Croft and the foliage of the tree/bush.

Let this be a lesson to you about the so called "reliability" of eyewitnesses' statements, especially when they're made forty-eight years after the fact, Stormtrooper Storing.

-- Tom

PS Or would you prefer it's just another case of "Deep State" / "National Security State" / "Administrative State" film alteration?

LOL!

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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: JFK's Throat Wound Was an Entrance Wound: Refuting the Shored-Wound Theory
« Last post by Zeon Mason on August 09, 2026, 10:50:51 PM »
Royell Storing had suggested  a 2nd shooter on the roof top of the adjacent garage attached to the TSBD on the west side. It’s crazy but what if a gunman was there behind that sign stuck out above the big gates as Royell speculated?

Would that trajectory align better with the JFK back to throat wound angle? Or wound that be less probable than the TSBD trajectory line for a Z223 shot?

See I’m still having trouble aligning that 6th floor TSBD angle at Z223 with JFKs back and throat wound angle because although Myers computer model seems to show it works their experiment they did with actual firing thru the 2 Torso models , bullet excited BELOW the throat level.  ???

So I’m wondering if that 2nd story level location above the big gates is a better matching angle in the vertical plane. Or is the angle in the horizontal plane too far to the right of JFK to align in that plane?


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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Last post by Royell Storing on August 09, 2026, 10:28:17 PM »
Quote from: Brian Doyle on August 09, 2026, 04:44:55 PM
Don't worry Royell...We have the pro-active Jim DiEugenio who will use his access to the Task Force to convince them the 6th Floor Museum version is the best existing version and needs to be obtained using the Task Force's power...

We've got The Education Forum on it...

And, no, Jim D isn't a skunk who is avoiding it because he knows the 6th Floor Museum copy proves Prayer Man is Sarah Stanton...

   "Task Force"? I am beginning to understand why the Ed Forum collapsed. Just when is this Task Force gonna "Storm The Bastille"? 
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Toni Glover
« Last post by Royell Storing on August 09, 2026, 10:20:47 PM »
Quote from: Tom Graves on August 09, 2026, 09:22:06 PM

Euins was sitting on the same curved concrete wall that Howard Brennan was sitting on.

That's him directly above Robert Croft in Z-170. His head is visible above the tree/bush.





He can also be seen at the 00:37 mark in the Mark Bell film, sitting on the pillar at the left end of the wall.

   You obviously have Never watched "The Lost Bullet" (2011). In that National Geographic sponsored presentation, an adult Amos Euins stand directly next to the pedestal that Toni Glover and her Mom stood atop. Euins demonstrates how he hid behind that same pedestal immediately after witnessing shots being fired from the TSBD sniper's nest. This is NOT the same pedestal, behind Croft, or even close to the same area that you are referring to. That kid sitting on the other end of the wall, behind Croft, is Not Amos Euins.
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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: The Dealey Plaza Storm Drain Sewer Theory 1992
« Last post by Zeon Mason on August 09, 2026, 10:05:05 PM »
Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on August 09, 2026, 10:53:54 AM
The south storm drain would have been an entirely logical choice for a shooting position. It provided concealment, an excellent view of the target, and a secure means of escape. It would have been the logical choice for a skilled assassin.

Yet, WC apologists howl and scoff whenever the south storm drain is mentioned as a possible shooting location. They prefer to believe, or say they believe, that the one and only shooting location was the sixth-floor window, never mind that the back wound and the rear head entry wound do not even come close to aligning back to that window, and never mind that the ammo that hit JFK's head could not have been the ammo that the supposed sixth-floor gunman allegedly used.

I would agree that at the sewer at the end of the  fence there could have been a gunman there because that’s the location that Lee Bowers the rail yard tower operator saw 2 men lingering around. It’s the location where smoke was seen and it’s where that crowd of people and the motorcycle cop rushed up the hill.

It’s a ground level elevation rather than a high elevation  so the vertical angle change is minimized. It is just enough to the left of the approaching limo to have a shot at JFK without JC blocking the LOS.

However if this is a 2nd shooter location and the 1st shooter was the TSBD then the Oswald as Patsy plan must have been an after event conspiracy to avoid investigation of any 2nd shooter.

Or Oswald was actually part of a  2 shooter team,  he being the 6th floor TSBD shooter who bungled his getaway plan  and he had to be shot dead by Ruby for that reason.

The 2 shooter scenario is a low probability imo because it really only requires one skilled shooter to have assassinated JFK if given 3 shots to do it. And I’m not even sure why Dealey Plaza was selected and a position in the TSBD on the 6th floor chosen since it would have  been much easier to shoot JFK while he was standing stationary giving a speech at some other place before he ever got into a limo.

All I can figure why  Dealey Plaza might have been selected as the place for a multiple gunman execution was because it was at the end of the traveling route and the mastermind conspirator (LBJ?) had a pathological disdain for JFK and desired a place so the spectacle execution would be filmed and photographed from all directions.


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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Toni Glover
« Last post by Tom Graves on August 09, 2026, 09:22:06 PM »
Quote from: Royell Storing on August 09, 2026, 03:22:03 PM
To me, the most interesting part of your 11/22/63 story is your Not recalling Amos Euins being crouched down behind that pedestal that you and your Mom were standing atop. And your also detailing that your Mom and yourself actually moved down along that cement cap that surrounds the water pool, in order to get down on the ground. Euins claimed on, "The Lost Bullet" National Geographic Special, that after he witnessed shots being fired from the TSBD 6th Floor Window, he immediately crouched down behind that same pedestal that you and your Mom were standing on top of.  Euins Not being down behind that pedestal, also taints his detailed description of seeing shots being fired from the TSBD 6th floor window.

Euins was sitting on the same curved concrete wall that Howard Brennan was sitting on.

That's him directly above Robert Croft in Z-170 and Z-176. He's wearing his light-colored jacket and his (Black) head is visible above the tree/bush.





He can also be seen at the 00:37 mark in the Mark Bell film, sitting on the pillar at the left end of the wall.


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JFK Assassination Discussion & Debate / Re: Mary Woodward said there were 3 shots and the 1st shot missed everything
« Last post by Tom Graves on August 09, 2026, 09:16:09 PM »
Quote from: John Corbett on August 09, 2026, 03:36:32 PM
Not true. JFK und JBC both flipped their arms upward at the same instant. Z226, less than 1/4 second after they were both struck.

Is screwed up by wining in my first sentence what the HSCA should have concluded and writing in my second sentence what it did conclude -- that JFK and JBC were both hit by the same bullet in Z-190, they both somehow had approximately two-second-long delayed reactions, and JFK reacted a little more quickly than JBC.
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