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This is an x-ray of Gov. JBC's wrist, as accepted by the Warren Commission. If you do not accept it, that is fine.


That is not the Commission exhibit of Connally’s wrist.  That is CE854 which is an xray of a human cadaver wrist that had been struck by a bullet at full speed.  This was prepared by Dr. Olivier of the Edgeware Army laboratory for the WC (5 H 81). That is not what Connally’s radius looked like at all and is not what Dr. Gregory described. Dan showed the actual xray.   Why not go directly to the Warren Commission exhibit? . There are several sites where you can view the exhibits.
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Huh???

Because Oswald lived in Dallas, a likely campaign stop for JFK in the upcoming election. Because JFK's trip to Dallas was announced on September 13, nine weeks in advance of the trip.

He couldn't have shot JFK from anywhere in Dallas. He needed to shoot him from a location along the motorcade route. Nobody could have known he would be working along that route two months before the assassination.

Did you really need me to figure out that part for you?
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And why in the world would the Cubans have assumed that Oswald could only do the shooting if JFK rode by his workplace?

If they knew anything about Oswald, they would have known he couldn't drive and relied on public transportation or friends to get him around. If you're going to hire somebody to assassinate a president, these are the kinds of basic things you would want to know about your assassin.
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Of course, you are assuming a priori that Oswald was the gunman and that the Cubans would have recruited him to be the gunman, whereas the Odio evidence shows that anti-Castro Cubans were trying to frame Oswald for the assassination weeks in advance of the shooting.

It isn't an assumption that Oswald was the assassin. Anyone who is familiar with the evidence and has an ounce of common sense knows that to be a fact. I think you meet one of those qualifications.
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Also, the released HSCA Lopez-Hardway report shows that someone was impersonating Oswald in Mexico City to try to further paint him as a pro-Soviet, pro-Castro Marxist.


What does that indicate to you?
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I think you're forgetting some of Russo's arguments. For example, he presents evidence that suggests Oswald was supposed to get a ride to Cuba from Red Bird Airport in Dallas after the assassination, and that pro-Castro Cuban Quinton Machado cut a deal with Oswald to bring him to Cuba after the shooting (Live By the Sword, pp. 308-309). 

Russo did get the part about Oswald being the assassin correct. He's guessing about Oswald's plans after the assassination. He has no more knowledge than you or me about where Oswald was going after he killed JFK.
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In any case, even if Oswald had done the shooting after "only" being encouraged to do so by pro-Castro Cubans, this would still constitute a conspiracy; this would still mean he was not a "loner"; and this would make the Cubans who urged him to do the shooting "accessories before the fact"--and they would have risked being arrested, charged, and prosecuted for murder in the second degree.

There is no evidence the Cubans encouraged Oswald to kill JFK, only supposition. That is something all JFKA conspiracy theories are based on.
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Why would the Cubans even suggest to Oswald that he assassinate JFK when they couldn't have known about the opportunity fate would deal him. Maybe they said to him,, "Hey, Lee. On the off chance that somebody JFK happens to ride past your workplace in a slow moving open top car, why don't you whack him for us."

Huh???

Because Oswald lived in Dallas, a likely campaign stop for JFK in the upcoming election. Because JFK's trip to Dallas was announced on September 13, nine weeks in advance of the trip.

And why in the world would the Cubans have assumed that Oswald could only do the shooting if JFK rode by his workplace?

Of course, you are assuming a priori that Oswald was the gunman and that the Cubans would have recruited him to be the gunman, whereas the Odio evidence shows that anti-Castro Cubans were trying to frame Oswald for the assassination weeks in advance of the shooting.

Also, the released HSCA Lopez-Hardway report shows that someone was impersonating Oswald in Mexico City to try to further paint him as a pro-Soviet, pro-Castro Marxist.

MTG: Thanks for your comments.

As I understand Russo, he thinks the Cubans encouraged LHO to assassinate JFK. Russo stops short of saying, "I have evidence of Cuban intel on-the-ground cooperation with LHO on 11.22."

I think you're forgetting some of Russo's arguments. For example, he presents evidence that suggests Oswald was supposed to get a ride to Cuba from Red Bird Airport in Dallas after the assassination, and that pro-Castro Cuban Quinton Machado cut a deal with Oswald to bring him to Cuba after the shooting (Live By the Sword, pp. 308-309).   

In any case, even if Oswald had done the shooting after "only" being encouraged to do so by pro-Castro Cubans, this would still constitute a conspiracy; this would still mean he was not a "loner"; and this would make the Cubans who urged him to do the shooting "accessories before the fact"--and they would have risked being arrested, charged, and prosecuted for murder in the second degree. 
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I'm not going down the path of a religion debate, nor am I really pooh-poohing your beliefs. If they work for you, that's fine. My wife is actually much more conventionally devout than I am, and we get along fine AS LONG AS SHE JUST LISTENS AND SHUTS THE HELL UP!!!  :D :D :D My conversion to Christianity some 56 years ago was via a startling and wholly unexpected experience that could easily be fodder for my "Weird Tales" thread. I have spent the subsequent 56 years far deeper into theological, scientific and psychical studies than JFKA studies, which are really little more than a blip on my radar screen. I know the evidence that is out there in a way that someone who hasn't done the homework couldn't possibly know, and there is no way I could summarize it on a forum like this. Suffice it to say, I believe - and you are free to disagree - that what I call "Christianity, Inc." is nothing more than a profit-driven industry and has little or nothing to do with what Jesus was actually talking about. One real eye-opener for anyone who has never done it is to intensively study the history of the first 200 years of Christianity - it's a weird and wild picture that bears scant resemblance to the Christianity, Inc. of today. I understand that not everyone has the time or inclination to examine and question orthodox dogma, and that's fine - but this wasn't a route I could accept, which is why I lasted precisely one year at Golden Gate Baptist Theological Seminary before saying "Nope, not gonna pretend anymore."

I agree the prosperity preachers do so much harm and I don't give them one cent. I don't remember Jesus asking the thief for a donation for his salvation.
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4).  Bullets don’t just disintegrate into nothingness. They should have been able to find and recover some fragments of the bullet. But they apparently were not able to find any fragments. In my opinion, that’s reason enough to believe that the ricochet went over the top of the backstop.
I agree. But I also don’t think that an inch or so of asphalt is enough to stop the bullet. Their superficial examination of the crater wasn’t enough of a search. If the Haags had xrayed the asphalt or probed deeper they may have found the bullet buried in it.
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The JFK Assassination - Discussion & Debate / Re: The First Shot
« Last post by Jarrett Smith on Yesterday at 03:33:02 PM »
How do you explain JBC hearing a shot and turning to look over his right shoulder, as we see him do starting at Z164, and then about 3 seconds later get hit by the single bullet if he did not hear an earlier missed shot.

Exactly John.
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Six Seconds in Dallas
Last Second in Dallas
JFK: Absolute Proof
No More Silence
Mafia Kingfish: Carlos Marcello and the Assassination of John F. Kennedy
The Plot to Kill the President

All of these books will end up on history's clearance table, as they should, while the WCR will continue to stand tall as the definitive account of JFKA as it has since it was first released to the public almost 62 years ago.
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General Discussion And Debate / Re: U.S. And International Politics
« Last post by Michael Capasse on Yesterday at 03:00:42 PM »
"All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof,
are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside." 14th Amendment

I don't understand. You are a citizen where you were born.
How would you not be?
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They were outside in public and no one has ever come forward and said that anybody was cleaning the limo and then there was at least 2 cameramen who were looking for money shots and if someone was cleaning the limo, then the cameramen would have captured the event.

SS agent Sam Kinney's recollection of refusing any cleaning of the Limo fits perfectly with the graphic image of the rear seat.

As for direction and origin of the bullets we have a plethora of evidence proving that they came from behind.
The vast majority of the eyewitnesses say there was only one exit wound on Kennedy's head.
And both Connally's describe being covered in biological matter.

Governor CONNALLY. ...Immediately I could see on my clothes, my clothing, I could see on the interior of the car which, as I recall, was a pale blue, brain tissue, which I immediately recognized, and I recall very well, on my trousers there was one chunk of brain tissue as big as almost my thumb, thumbnail...

Mrs. CONNALLY. ...The third shot that I heard I felt, it felt like spent buckshot falling all over us, and then, of course, I too could see that it was the matter, brain tissue, or whatever, just human matter, all over the car and both of us.


The inside of the Limo shows the graphic results of a strike from behind and like the Connally's describe and therefore corroborate, brain tissue in front of JFK.



Two large bullet fragments were recovered from the Limo and within the Limo, there was two obvious strikes from fast moving fragments.





The dent in the windscreen frame, above the mirror.



The crack in the windscreen was also captured in Altgens 7.



And finally as shown in Zapruder frame 313, we see all the matter moving forward and away from Oswald in his sniper's nest!



JohnM

   JOHN - Thanks for contributing your opinion on The Wash Bucket and the possible Washing Down of the JFK Limo backseat area. As always, I value it.
              This Bucket/Limo Wash Down issue has been discussed numerous times previously. The answer proffered has ALWAYS been that the bucket came out of the JFK Limo Trunk and contained tool(s) and nuts-n-bolts that were necessary to install the Top of the JFK Limo. The CBS Film Footage that I found on the Gerda Dunckel piece has Now removed yet another JFK Urban Legend from any further serious consideration. That Bucket was obviously carried back inside Parkland Hospital from whence it came. This transporting of The Wash Bucket occurring long before the JFK Limo departed Parkland Hospital and boarded the C-130. SS Kinney and his attempted "back filling" of this Bucket/Wash Down Issue, roughly 15 yrs after-the-fact, pale in comparison to the 11/22/63 B/W Film Footage and SS Kinney's very own 11/22/63 statement.
               I do Not dispute shot(s) being fired from behind JFK. The evidence of this is clear and convincing.  Where we differ is You seem to believe that ALL the shots that were fired came from Behind JFK. This requires buying into: (1) A Very Early 1st shot, (2) A Lost Bullet, and, (3) The SBT. There is simply not the necessary evidence to elicit my support of this Trifecta.   
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We have all viewed the images of the "bucket" sitting on the ground alongside the JFK Limo at Parkland Hospital. And we have been told that the bucket came out of the JFK Limo trunk. That this out-of-place bucket held the tool(s) and nuts-n-bolts that were required to install the JFK Limo Top. This "tale" is simply another JFK Assassination Urban Legend. It's been repeated over-n-over until it has been accepted as being fact. It is Not Fact. It is Fiction. That Bucket did Not come out of the trunk of the JFK Limo. It did Not hold tool(s) or nuts-n-bolts. That bucket came out of Parkland Hospital. It is a "Scrub Bucket". It was used to "Scrub Down" the backseat area of the JFK Limo. This "Scrub Down" made the backseat area of the JFK Limo an ALTERED CRIME SCENE. ALL FBI Photos of the JFK Limo backseat area are photos of an Altered Crime Scene.
If this bucket originally came out of the JFK Limo Trunk, it should have gone back into the JFK Limo Trunk after the JFK Limo Top was installed. This "Scrub Bucket" did NOT go back into the JFK Limo Trunk after that Top was completely installed.
I have found B/W film footage showing the JFK Limo Top having been completely installed, and the JFK Limo Trunk CLOSED. All work on the Top is done. This film footage also shows a suited man walking alongside the JFK Limo. He is carrying the "Scrub Bucket" by its' handle toward/into Parkland Hospital. He is walking AWAY from the JFK Limo Trunk with this "Scrub Bucket" in hand. This "Scrub Bucket" originated from Parkland Hospital, and this suited man is now returning it to whence it came.

Luckily, a number of people saw the limo before the cleaning started, and they mentioned seeing brain matter on the sides of the car's interior, among other things.       

                     
                                         
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